Calm the Chaos: Affordable Ways to Care for Yourself (and Why You Have to Ask for What You Need)

speaker-0: Hey everybody, I'm Amy Chang, a nurse, a mom, and a help coach. And this is Healthy AF, where honesty and humor and heart meet real talk about feeling good again, inside and out. We're cutting through the noise, dropping the guilt, and reminding you getting healthy isn't about perfection. It's about choosing yourself. One loving decision at a time. Let's get into it. Hey everybody, and welcome to the next episode of Healthy AF. My name is Amy Chang, and I'm a health coach here with Healthy Life Health and Wellness Coaching. And I have my friend Tiffany here with Calm the Chaos TV, is what our what we're talking about today. I'm so stoked. So, Tiffany, will you tell us, please, what SMC-C means before you start your Calm the Chaos TV? speaker-1: be. it's simply I'm certif I'm a certified stress management consultant. Stress management? speaker-0: Management consultant. speaker-1: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes. speaker-0: I didn't know those existed, so I wanted to make sure that we announced what that exactly was. speaker-1: Right. Come to me with your stress and it's it's speaker-0: I would be happy. You know, one time a friend and I did this exercise. We worked together and it was like a team building-ish kind of thing where one person held their hands out and then the other person put all of the things that were important to them and their stress and their, you know, the things they managed and were responsible for, and took all those things and put it in the other person's hands. And it was funny because For my friend, and actually it's his birthday today, I didn't even think about that. For my friend, him giving me his handful was so anxiety producing. And for me, me giving him mine was so soothing. So speaker-1: Exactly. Yeah. speaker-0: if you offer to take my stress, Tiff, I may be at your house in the next twenty-five minutes, so you might want to back that up. speaker-1: Maybe I don't I don't wanna take your stress. No. speaker-0: Transform maybe release boundary. speaker-1: Yes, yes. It so mm mm. I have enough of my own. speaker-0: I know I say this girl's a full time job over here. I don't need anybody else's. Right. speaker-1: Right. Yeah. But you know, saying that, I am happy to when you're you're Have you thought about this or hey, how about this? and we're able to work through it is is great. But as a wellness coach, you have to be careful about taking other people's stuff as well. So it is that that balance and knowing how to deal with because you're getting a lot, you're getting a lot of everything from everyone, and you can't absorb that as a wellness practitioner. speaker-0: No, no, you can't. I I loved I loved shift work at the hospital. you clock in at 6 30, you leave at 7 30. It's just you're done. You know. And if they're coding, you know, codes never happen except the last like, you know, 20 minutes of your shift. Always. Yes. Always. And learning to leave. Now I might get up. after I had my sleep and call the unit, especially if I had already done my three day shift and then I was gonna be off, I maybe would call and ask, you know, how's how's that person doing? How's their family or whatever? But and as a coach, right, one of my privileges is I tell my clients, no, no, I love you too much to care about what you do. I don't care. If you never tackle this problem, I do not care. It is none of my business. I love you enough to know that, no matter what you do in your life, I believe in you and I'm gonna hold you in your highest because that's my job. And I think about that a lot. Like sometimes a stress management consultant or a health health and wellness coach is literally the only person people have in their lives who aren't trying to manipulate them. speaker-1: Right. Yes. speaker-0: You know, who aren't attached to whether or not their stress level goes down because they're so irritable when their stress level is high that the rest of their family is like, dear God, do whatever you here. Do you wanna do you wanna scotch on the rocks? Just just do something because you drive me crazy, right? So it's a unique position to be in that requires me, if I'm doing my job to stay detached, compassionate but detached. That's been a great skill for me to have and then expand that into my like my children. It's hard watching your children suffer. speaker-1: Right. speaker-0: Ooh, I saw a big eye roll on the last girl. speaker-1: Because as a mom, you're like, it's it's hard, but they you can't solve everything they have to learn. They absolutely have to learn. Yes. my gracious. speaker-0: And for us to have the confidence in our clients, our community members, our neighbors, and our children. No, you have your answers. Okay. The getting clear and making actions and whatnot that align with those answers is a totally different ball game, but you have them. You're okay. If I could give all my kids that, all day, every day, that's what I would choose to do. speaker-1: Yes, yes. Understood, Amy, yes. speaker-0: Yeah. Okay. Calm the chaos TV. Tell us about that. It's such an interesting project. I love. speaker-1: Okay, so Comic Chaos TV, I and I can't even pinpoint when I was like, I'm gonna do a docuseries. speaker-0: That sounds fun. speaker-1: Right. No, no. I just saw a need for us to be a little bit more empathetic to what is going on in everybody else's life. We are so grumpy. No one is well, I won't say no one, but you walk outside, people aren't empathetic. there's a lot of unkindness going on because we all have something that we are dealing with. Every single one of us is carrying something. But when we're out there, we don't seem to care what anyone else is caring because we're so focused on our stuff. So what I did with Calm the Chaos, it's an episodic docuseries that follows people on a journey from stress, taking them into clarity and then watching the transformation happen. What I do is we have an Introduction, we get to know the person. Now, these are people dealing with divorce, dealing with cancer, dealing with. I have one episode that's dealing with John Henry Henrianism, where black people feel they need to work a little bit harder, a little bit longer to have a seat at that table. So, you know, we cover some of those topics so. We have the initial conversation and I'm listening. I'm listening to what resources that person may need. Throughout the episode, I'm connecting them to those local health and wellness resources. We're going to have some fun activities. And then at the end, we're going to discuss how we can maintain the feeling that they're feeling right now. We're going to get them to that calm, but then we need to have some action on what that person can do to maintain. Calm. And so that's that's calming the chaos. And speaker-0: So what kind of resources do you think in your head? Because this is your wheelhouse, right? Yes. you do the self-care share. So you're meeting a lot of different wellness providers. You're got your master's in public health. You've been in reach, you've this is your jam. So what kind of resources do you see that are like, wow, this is available and this is available, this is available. speaker-1: Amy, can you repeat your last question for me? speaker-0: said, what kind of resources pop in your head that are available that maybe our listeners don't even think about that are available? speaker-1: Let me just tell you. So I'm just going to go back through the four episodes that have been recorded. a grief counselor. And we're not talking grief counselor because of a loss of an individual. We're talking grief counselor because of a loss of a job, which transferred into a loss of identity. So that helped that person work through that loss of identity. So speaker-0: Pause you right there and say that when my daddy lost his job when I was ten, a lot of my own challenges in my life developed from that one year. speaker-1: Mm. speaker-0: Yeah, massive, massive stressor on my daddy and and the rest of us. Right. So hell yes, girl. There's so many griefs, so many griefs in just that one little thing. You know, we're talking about the financial security. We're talking about the identity. We're talking about identity as provider. We're talking about say you know, I mean, it just, it's, it's endless. I'm so glad you're talking about that. Okay, sorry. I got I got your but I think it was pertinent. speaker-1: So yes, group counselors. And then in one particular episode, I was working with a veteran. So we went to a shooting range and just had a conversation about because in my mind I'm thinking that would be triggering, but I've learned that no, it's it's relaxing. It's knowing that I still have what it takes to protect my family. This is where I feel comfortable. This was my space. So we had that. That conversation. and also a keto, which is a form of martial arts, just the family that you build within the dojo and how he would go feeling a certain way, but after he, had his a keto session, he left feeling completely different. So just some of the martial arts, and then I'll take that on to Key Gong. It was so funny. Because Qigong, I'm not sure everybody's familiar with it, but it's really breathwork, moving breath work. It's very similar to Tai Chi. Tai Chi. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: I was Resources for the docuseries. And I was listening to Sheehan tell me about the benefits of Qi Gong. And he's just going on and on about the relaxation and the moving and the peace. And I was like, I need this. So not only did I have him for a resource a a resource, I have been one of his students for I think we're going on three years now. Wow. I have and I am also able to teach Qi Gong myself. So yes. speaker-0: I did a little yesterday actually. awesome, Amy. Yeah, in a class. It was a class for coaches, a little somatic coaching. And we did a heart led key gong. It was really speaker-1: Yes, yes. And then hypnotherapy. we had breast cancer survivor go through hypnotherapy, conscious hypnotherapy. And you know, people have such a stigma against it because they're feeling like someone else is controlling their mind. And it was so interesting to see her laying there and she's fully awake, she's calm, she's just, you know, expressing herself. And it helped her recognize that feeling, I'll just say in your gut, when you're come to a decision, how do you feel there? Are you feeling and what and if it's and I don't know if you're feeling that maybe it needs to be a no until you can clearly give that yes response. So that was that was great with her. And then after that, we went into a sound bath. So we have yes, the sound bath incorporated. Yeah. And then another resource such as kickboxing. You are stressed and you're gonna walk into that kickboxing room and you're gonna take your frustrations out on this bag. And I had someone go in there, the person who was suffering from the grief, and she just like just speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: yes, yes. And these are all things that I have introduced that people can actually follow up and keep going way after the cameras stop rolling. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, I can totally relate to so many of those things. Being in the CrossFit space, I have seen veterans come in and find kind of that unit, that community. Yes. Where we are mentally, emotionally exhausted, just, you know, for a moment. And have the community there that's been supportive and been something that was missing for them in a civilian. life, you know, and and I too have not done the kickboxing, but I know about my body that when especially when I'm angry or very, very sad about something, sledgehammer on a tire. speaker-1: Okay. speaker-0: yeah, I do be loving some sledgehammers. Yes. And and then that opened me up to anytime I open my body and close my body. And open my body and close my body, like a ski erg, a ball slam, anything that gives me that quick motion through my core to close, just like you would for a sledgehammer. You're closing and then opening. Really great release tool. for me. So on those days that I just think I might cry at the gym, I'm gonna be opening and closing and then I'm probably gonna be crying for a little while, stretching, taking myself home. speaker-1: Wow, Amy. Yes, yes. speaker-0: Yes. And the somatic coaching, the class I was in that we did the Key Gong in is for body centered coaching. Yes. And it's amazing before I did that big live event in October, that was on a Saturday, the class that we did was on that Wednesday and I was the demo. Okay. It was great. Well, the other two people had already gone. So it's like, all right, Amy, you know, what what you got? speaker-1: Yes, yes, yes. speaker-0: and what came up was being seen and not wanting to be seen, because some sometimes you get in trouble or you're wrong, but really wanting to be seen because sometimes you get comforted and loved on. Yes. And acknowledged. And where I saw that come up. was in my throat, the tightness in my throat, and my face through here just was so pressurized it felt like it was about to blow off. And so like using my body as a resource, wow, what's that throat telling you? what's the feeling in your face? What does it want you to know? And just really going through and honest to Pete, I don't think that Saturday would have gone so well. after two two major parts of that presentation canceled out on Friday. Right, right. My presentation didn't really come together. I don't think that I would have handled that as well, you talk about some chaos. twenty four hours before the Sound Bowl person can't come and the nonprofit person can't come. And your presentation, you're speaking twice and neither one of them are put together. That's some chaos. That's a chaos invitation right there. Yes, yes. And had I not done that somatic work and known so firmly in my body that the answer to the question of can I do this? Why am I doing this? Is this the right thing? was yes. It was yes in brain, it was yes in body, it was yes in spirit. Without that work, I Saturday would not have gone like speaker-1: goodness. Right. You know, we plan and we plan and we plan. It's sometimes things just and then they're not supposed to go how what we are visioning it to look like. And sometimes we Let that go and just flow with what we're presented with comes out absolutely amazing like it did for you. speaker-0: It does. I always say if I make up if I get prepared and then get out of the way, something great will happen. But it takes both those things. I have to prepare and then I need to get out of the way. speaker-1: Wait. speaker-0: So and if I don't, I really am in a lot of chaos. if if I don't understand to get out of the way, I'm in a lot of chaos. So with the Calm the Chaos TV, you've got four episodes already recorded. Are more in the works. speaker-1: Yes, more are in the works. The goal is to have five through eight recorded next year. I'm in the big push of fundraising right now because you can't do anything if you don't have fun. So yes, yes, yes, yes. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: Gosh, but I I am just really, really excited about this. we've shown the proof of concept episode I've done a couple screenings with, had such great feedback. Community really loves the messaging. that is coming out of this. And like I said, if I could just help people identify resources, my goal is to have s everyone be able to identify with the person that they're seeing on the screen. And if that person can make it through, if that person can push a little harder, then maybe just maybe I speaker-0: Yeah. They can get the speaker-1: Maybe now I know who I can go talk to or look up on my own. Right. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. Now I want to to ask too, from a practicality standpoint, because actually right before this podcast recording, I was on the phone with my daughter and we were beginning to have a heated exchange. And I'm like, I cannot do this. I'm podcasting in 20 minutes. But the but the exchange was about living into wellness, not treatment of disease, okay, but living with a goal of wellness. how do we afford it in today's because now she'll say to me, mom, not everybody can go pay, blah, blah, blah. And I a hundred percent agree with her. How do we find those interventions, those resources, and help me help me make the case that they're worth the time and the money and the effort? she's really thinking on this one. Eating. speaker-1: is extremely healthy eating is extremely, extremely expensive. but the way I see it, for example, I have a bag of apples just sitting on my my my counter. I don't make any, I'm not having salads with, you know, every meal. I I eat in moderation. and then I am careful not to go out and spend a ton of money and having all these things in my refrigerator and then they spoil. So thinking about it in small chunks, what can I have that's a little bit more healthier for my breakfast? I've already got eggs. Let me just go ahead and maybe boil a couple to a couple of them and take the yolk out and just leave. You want the yolk taste. Get myself the column. speaker-0: we're missing her. Say that the yolks out. You mentioned taking speaker-1: Yolks, so right. I take my yolk out of my egg after I boil it. However, I do put some of it back in there. So I'm not eating the whole yolk, but I'm still getting some of the yolky taste. Yeah. as far as physical, it costs nothing to get up and go outside and walk. Absolutely nothing. Nothing at all. And they have parks out there. Some of the parks have exercise equipment where you could stretch, you can to pull up. different things like that. And being creative with your surroundings is another thing that you can do. But walking, the best thing, you're getting the sunlight, you're gonna feel better. And it does not cost a thing. And then Amy, the support, having your own, I call it your own tribe, and like you explained in a previous session, having the people that you call, who's your support? and that doesn't cost any money either. To be able to have conversations with someone. And then you maybe you all can go have, let me tell you, I have to go back to a story. This this weekend I was up in Charlotte and we did some, well, we couldn't pick the apples, but we went to an apple orchard and there you can buy, it would think of it, it was two bags of apples for $40. And there were four of us. So we got the two bags, we went back to the house and we split up those apples. So now each each of us have a bag of apples sitting on our counter. Those are the apples I was referring to earlier. speaker-0: For ten bucks. speaker-1: Yes. going in with someone. Hey, you have a partner, you both want to start eating healthier. Go into the store together. Divide. speaker-0: Okay. speaker-1: Ex absolutely. speaker-0: I do that for my children actually is you know, well, it would be lovely if they split with me. But I I texted them today, I'm making a brisket. so like heads up, y'all gonna be having your protein met for about three days next week because we're gonna split that brisket up. And for me being a single person, truly it is such a blah well, even yesterday I made some soup, and I took some down to a friend. Doing things like that not only create community and are an expression of love, but also can really ease your pocketbook. speaker-1: Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. And I'm right down the street, Amy. So just speaker-0: bring the soup. Yeah. Okay. I I heard that. I I'm not sure if that was an invitation for me to come or a desire to be fair. Either way, either way, it's good. It's good. Yeah, actually it was a really good soup. It was the leftovers from because I like you do not want to waste food. And so when we had that meal on Saturday. that I had gotten catered from Spoon Fed, I had kale and lentils and chickpeas and quinoa and sweet potatoes left over. And so I made lentil and sweet potato soup yesterday that had kale in it and the leftover sweet potatoes and I threw in a couple handfuls of some yellow potatoes. Mm-hmm And all I had to buy was the creamer I wanted to put in it. It was delicious. And really like I didn't pay anything for that. They were leftovers. But I was thinking about that if I did. And I and I and I froze a whole bunch of leftover lentils. So now I've got three bags, n two bags, I think, of two cups of lentils. So when I want to make this recipe again, I can just pull those suckers out of the freezer and really with barely any cost, make that meal that has a lot of protein in it. And if I want to, I can throw a chicken in the crock pot and shred that chicken out. And there's my broth. And the recipe, to be clear, was vegan, but I meeted it up. I meet and dairy it up. So but it but you can make it either way and get a get a lot of good fiber and protein in that. So yeah, I know how to eat pour now. Because growing up, I I had that I had that gift handed to me. How are you gonna be eating poor with your pinto beans? We're gonna do it. speaker-1: it takes a little effort though, but you're right. I was while you were mentioning lentils. I've got a bag of lentils downstairs and it's a a nice size bag and that you split it up. You've got several meals. speaker-0: So I mean a bag of pinto beans, honestly, you're feeding your family at least if you make the whole bag. I mean, you're feeding your family. I don't know how long, but I know it was long enough for me to go like, God, mom, are we still having pinto beans? Yes. Yeah. speaker-1: Yes, yes. speaker-0: Opening up the cool whip container with the leftover pinto beans in there. Your mama have a cool whip container? Yes. I did. Sure enough. Yeah, yeah, there is a way. I think it'd be super interesting to compile a list, at least locally. I I'm inviting I will bring you soup if you will compile a list of resources that fit into cost categories. from zero to fifty bucks. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: For fifty to a hundred you can do this. For you know, because I I'm thinking too of fronting life, which is a non profit in town. That offers Monday mindfulness, Wednesday conscious connection. They do things almost every day of the week, very creative, art inspired. and it's all donation based. Okay. speaker-1: Okay. speaker-0: So I can go every Monday and get my sound bowls. Wow. And sometimes they have Reiki or other kind of sound frequency healing. it's just a good conversation. good spot that and talk about finding your tribe speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: once you go to some of those places that was one thing I really wanted to do at the retreat we did is in the back of the journal that we gave everybody were QR codes for like this is the lady who does the spiritual direction. This is the lady who does the sample. This is the lady who does the Reiki. This is, you know, so that you could just explore what those things meant. Okay. yeah, I'm tasking you with the cost list on the resources. Right. speaker-1: Write it down. Because you're right. we mentioned these resources, but on in all honesty, a lot of them are very expensive. And a lot of them, a lot of the pe a lot of the people who really, really would benefit cannot afford some of these prices. So what do we do? Like, how do we bridge that gap? speaker-0: Yeah. that too could take me on to a very large soapbox and rant about our healthcare system. But I will say this in short, like I was talking to a friend the other day and they mentioned like, yeah, I go to a twelve step yoga class and it's free. speaker-1: Okay. Okay. speaker-0: Okay, great. so if if you are living a twelve step lifestyle or if that's something that interests you, that's a free resource. And I I know a lot of practitioners well, I'll tell you this too, Tiff. I had ticket prices for the women's retreat on Saturday. I also had two free tickets. speaker-1: Okay. speaker-0: So I think a lot of practitioners who are in this wellness healing space are open to, yeah, I need to make a living and pay for the quinoa we just ate. Right. And speaker-1: Right. speaker-0: also healing is a commitment for me. And that means sometimes we scholarship, some in fact, I have a a couple of clients that show up, they do the work, and I say to them. What amount that you can pay works well to demonstrate to you your commitment of coming. Like I I am not a fan of coaching someone who is coming for free. What I found is you gotta put something in because this is your life. Right. If if you're coming to the table and I'm already putting in more than you are, this is not, you're not ready. This is not gonna work out. But if you're coming to the table and you're bringing what you can bring, I can meet you there. Right. and I find that a lot of practitioners in this space are willing to at least have that conversation. Good. That would also be a cool list to have. speaker-1: Right. Yeah. And then, you know, how does one like I'm going to you and we are sitting, we're having a great conversation. I really feel like I need your services. how do I get past saying you're too expensive or I really can't? Do you read body language? Person may, you know, sit back in the chair a little bit or How does that conversation, what are your recommendations for even initiating that type of conversation with your practitioner? speaker-0: well I think a couple of different things. And I'm I'm glad we're talking about this because again that conversation my daughter and I were was having is partly on the patient. The patient or the client or the person seeking help has a responsibility to themselves to ask questions. So if your doctor says Yeah, this lab value is a little elevated. We're gonna watch it. And you don't say, tell me about that. Right. What could that possibly mean? What else might it mean? What might I do to influence that number? Right? How when are we gonna check it? When do we need to check it? what other lab value? if if you don't say that, then That's on you. And as a practitioner, both from being a nurse practitioner now as a coach, I have to realize that people have the tools and skills that they have. My mama is not going to go to the doctor and tell them what's going on. She's going to be like, she's fine. She feels fine. Well, there's this there's this pain in my left arm that pops up sometimes, but you know, I feel fine. It doesn't stop me. I just I just sit down, it goes away. Okay. pertinent. and she's also not going to say, she's not gonna ask the questions or push back, like, well, well, what would happen if I chose not to take this medication? Exactly. What speaker-1: Exactly. speaker-0: are my options right here? You know, mom doesn't have that skill set. I had a doctor tell me the other day I was in the emergency room with one of my kids, and he told me what he told me, and then I was like, He started to walk out and I'm like, I just can I repeat back to you what I just heard you say so that you can make sure that I'm on the page with you and I can make sure I'm on the page with you. And I repeated it back. And then he said, What is it that you do? Because you talk like, you know, and 10, 15 years ago, well, that's not true. Probably because of my nurse practitioner training that I am so grateful for every single day of my life. I know to talk like that. But before that, I didn't. so so part of it as a practitioner is knowing that I want people to have these skills where they can say, hey, Amy, I can see that working with you would benefit me. And also I want to be responsible financially. Is there any way you work with people at a reduced rate or sliding scale? speaker-1: Yes. speaker-0: I want them to have that skill. So if you're listening, I want you to have that skill. And when you have that skill, it also indicates to me you're ready to work. So it makes it easier for me to meet you. It makes it easier for me to come to you because I can see you're there. With my clientele, mostly we are not clear. We are not connected. We don't know what we want. We do not know how to ask. We know to give. We know to get overwhelmed. We know to shut down. We're not gonna say, hey, I really want this in my life. And also, do you do a sliding scale? So that's a long answer. But I think the question and the answer are very nuanced. ask for a sliding scale. Ask for a scholarship. Ask for something else. Like I do book clubs. Book clubs are a suggested $25 donation to a local. I think we usually do vigilant hope actually for the book clubs. The money doesn't even come to me. I'm just like, and I don't even know if they pay it. I'm like, hey, here's a free book club. It's a coaching book club. Send your money to vigilant hope or don't, whatever. I'll see you on Tuesday. And so there could also be a question if you were seeking help of do you have any other offerings that are lower cost? I'm about to have a downloadable happen here, you know, and I don't know, couple weeks it'll be available that will be a lower cost option. So if people want to work with me, they can do like basically a free book club. They can do the downloadable, they can do the women's group coaching. They can do a three month, they can do a six month, they can ask me. and I think that's probably the best answer. Look for look for cheaper options, ask the practitioner for a sliding scale or a scholarship, or ask them for another practitioner in the area that they know of that may be in a a price range that can accommodate their finances. speaker-1: So say something. speaker-0: Say something and I'm gonna tell you what too, Tiff. When I take the question ask the question, yes. When I do a consultation with people, if they're a yes, I need this in my life, but I don't have time, but I don't have money, but I'm working too much, but when my kid graduates, I'll finally in two years take time for me. That is an invitation for me to coach them. Because I really don't care if they work with me or not. I have to be detached in this conversation. I do not care. Right? You do you, boo. Whatever is good for you. But I do care that they leave that conversation empowered and clear. That's my commitment to the world. So you're either going to be a yes, I'm pulling the trigger and making it work. Yes, and I need to call my financial advisor or I need to look at my bank records or I need to, you know, look at my shopping list. Or you're a no or no not yet. This doesn't work for me. But if I had a person leave my conversation sitting on the fence disempowered, that would not feel good. On the fence is uncomfortable. So I would say to anyone who's thinking out there, like, I don't know, maybe should I do it? Your practitioners who will work best with you are gonna let you decide and it's gonna be okay. You know, you're not gonna be sold to or manipulated or speaker-1: Right. speaker-0: Whew. That was a little soapboxy. I'm sorry. I get very ranty about speaker-1: Great information. speaker-0: It's funny because I have to market my company and there are so many different ways to to market a business and that are manipulative. And I just won't do it. I just will not. And it's a real hill that I will die on and damn it it makes business very difficult. But it makes healing great. And so speaker-1: Yes, yes. Well thank you for what you do, Amy, my goodness. speaker-0: Well shit, thanks for interviewing me on my own podcast. my gosh. I am thrilled that you're doing Calm the Chaos TV. And I and I do think that when we really look at people, we see that we're all human. We are all human. We all have that same longing to be loved and to belong. We all have the same pains and the same emotions. And so I I I would just never imagine that what you're doing can't bring that sense of connection. And sense of hope. Sense of hope that you you don't have to stay where you're at. speaker-1: No, absolutely not. No, no. You have just have to be willing to move from that position. speaker-0: Yeah, willing. I love that. Okay. So on our next episode, we can either talk about help begins from within or self care share. speaker-1: Let's talk about self care share. speaker-0: Self care share in our next episode on Healthy AF. We'll see you then. speaker-1: Thank you. Bye. speaker-0: Thanks for hanging out with me today on Healthy AF. I hope something you heard helps you take one small, kind step toward your healthiest self. If you love this episode, hit subscribe so you never miss a conversation. And if you want more support, head over to myhealthylife.coach to connect with me. 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