You Can See Everything — Plus Trailers for Tangles and The Best Pancakes in the County

TRACK01: Hello everyone and welcome to Foot Candle Films here on the Mesh dot T V podcast network. My name is Alan Jackson and with me is Chris Fry. And we are with the Foot Candle Film Society, the Foot Candle Film Festival, and this podcast, Foot Candle Films. Chris, how are you doing today? Good to see you. Everything going okay? TRACK04: It's Chris Fry, and we are with the Foot Candle Film Society, the Foot Candle Film Festival, and this podcast, Foot Candle Films. Chris, how are you doing today? Good to see you. Everything going okay? Yeah, yeah, everything's going okay. this the film we're gonna talk about on this episode. I'm been looking forward to. Didn't find out about it until most people found out about it when it premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival. And I'm Curious it was curious that it even existed and curious to hear your thoughts about it. There was another documentary that was also on my curiosity list. we did watch it recently with the Film Society, History of Concrete. And that one that one was okay, but did not quite meet my expectations, and that's always a danger with every film. So I don't think it really met your expectations either. okay. So it's either match. TRACK01: Also on my curiosity list. we did watch it recently with the film society, History of Concrete. And that one that one was okay but did not quite meet my expectations and that's always a danger with every film. So I don't think it really met your expectations either. I had no expectations, but so it neither matched or came short of, but yeah, I I've I had similar TRACK04: Gotcha. Yeah. I I've I've had similar TRACK01: feelings that you did coming out of the film, so yeah. TRACK04: Gotcha. Yeah. TRACK01: All right. Well, Chris's n a nice little intro and kind of previewing what we're gonna be talking about in the in the f in the show today is talking about the film You Can See Everything. That is the new documentary from directors Nathan Fielder and Lance Oppenheim as co-directors TRACK04: Is talking about the film You Can See Everything. That is the new documentary from directors Nathan Fielder and Lance Oppenheim. TRACK01: on this project. and we're gonna be discussing that here in just a little bit. We also have a little bit of news to go through on some upcoming films that we have. TRACK04: and we're gonna be discussing that here in just a little bit. We also have a little bit of news to go through on some upcoming films that we have a couple of trailers to preview to talk about films that are are are coming up up on the horizon. And we also have a bit of a news item, I think a fascinating news item. I'm kind of very interested to get your thoughts on. So we'll get into that in a little bit, dealing with a certain TRACK01: trailers to preview to talk about films that are are are coming up up on the horizon. And we also have a bit of a news item. I think a fascinating news item. I'm kind of very interested to get your thoughts on. So we'll get into that in a little bit. Dealing with a certain superhero movie. you know, that's been long in production and a sequel that we'll talk a little bit about the current status of. And TRACK04: superhero movie. Huh. you know, that's been long in production and a sequel that we'll talk a little bit about the current status of. And Captain Underpants. Captain Underpants. Nice. Sequel to the Captain Did they make a Captain Underpants movie? They did. TRACK01: Captain Underpants. The sequel to the Captain Did they make a Captain Underpants movie? They did. TRACK04: I didn't did I see it? I cannot remember if I saw it or not, but they have made one. I'm I'm trying to think TRACK01: Did you I'm I'm trying to think our kids were the same age. W it was our kids that were in the Captain Underpants, right? Or was that right at the edge of our kids probably aging out. Yes. okay, cool. All right. So Captain Underpants still TRACK04: kids that were in the Captain Underpants, right? Correct. It's right at the edge of our kids probably aging out. But yeah there was a series of books and stuff and my nephews actually are big fans. So yeah. Cool. All right. So Captain Underpants still TRACK01: survives, like he's still around. I believe so. Still still a business, a enterprise out there of Captain Underpants. TRACK04: I believe so. Still still a business, a enterprise out there. Hasn't been reboot rebooted as Captain Boxers yet, but you know, we'll see. TRACK01: Yeah. We're waiting for the waiting for the reboot on that. Okay. So yes. no, it'll be a different TRACK04: We're waiting for the waiting for the reboot. Yes. Okay. So yes. no, it'll be a different TRACK01: superhero franchise we'll be talking about. Okay, so lots to get into, and of course Chris has a recommendation for us at the end of the episode, a TRACK04: Okay. Okay, so lots to get into and of course Chris has a recommendation for us at the end of the episode, a TRACK01: film that he'd like to recommend we check out if we're so inclined to have something to add to our watch list. And we'll get to that at the end of the episode, but before we do any of that, Chris, we do need to jump into our main film review. And it is the documentary. TRACK04: And we'll get to that at the end of the episode, but before we do any of that Chris we do need to jump into our main film review. And it is the documentary You Can See Everything. TRACK01: You can see everything. TRACK04: Set this up. I'm going to read the summary on the internet moviedatabase.com page. It says the following Reviewers say You Can See Everything is a groundbreaking, intellectually provocative documentary that challenges perceptions of truth and performance. They praise its psychological depth, original meta-narrative structure. And captivating engagement that makes the complex story impossible to look away from. However, the three-hour runtime proved divisive, with some finding it excessive while others wanted more. A few criticized the film's manipulative stylization and occasional lack of focus. Overall, reviewers recommend it as a thought-provoking, ambitious work that sparks endless debate. Where do you fall among these? Hmm. TRACK01: I'm I'm I'm kind of squarely in the middle of them. I will say, I I you know, going into this, yes, I was hearing a lot of extremely positive buzz about the film once it premiered and and once it started getting out. And I am a big fan of Nathan Fielder's work, television work. TRACK04: Squarely in the middle. Okay. I will say, I I you know, going into this, yes, I was hearing a lot of extremely positive buzz about the film once it premiered and and once it started getting out. And I am a big fan of Nathan Fielder's work. Okay television work. TRACK01: I mean, which is what we've kind of known him through. different iterations of different shows and programs he's put on. I'm I'm a fan. I like his work. I like what he does. TRACK04: different iterations of different shows and programs he's put on. I'm I'm a fan. I like his work. I like what he does. TRACK01: And I like Lance Oppenheim as a director as well and generally like his work as well. TRACK04: And I like Lance Oppenheim as a director as well and generally like his work as well. TRACK01: I was fascinated by this film, even though I found it frustrating for some reasons I'll get into a little bit later. It it's more it's more the conceit and premise and setup of the film. I think just I had too many concerns TRACK04: I was fascinated by this film, even though I found it frustrating for some reasons I'll get into a little bit later. Okay. It it's more it's more the conceit and premise and setup of the film, I think. Just I had too many concerns. TRACK01: and reservations with as I got through the film. I'm a I'm a TRACK04: I'm a I'm a I'm a documentary per purist, Chris. if you tell me something's a documentary, I want a documentary. And I A documentary with no reenactments? No, no, reenactments are fine. Okay. I'm trying to get what you're talking about with pure. Okay. Okay. TRACK01: I'm a documentary pur purist, Chris. I if you tell me something's a documentary, I want a documentary. And I feel like with no reenactments? No, no, reenactments are fine. Reenactments are fine. No, no, reenactments are fine. That's not it. It's it's as a filmmaker, do you know what you're trying to make happen and are you in and in a way affecting the story to serve TRACK04: Do you know what you're trying to make happen and are you in a way affecting the story to serve a narrative you want to have play out in a film? And that's where I that's where I feel like Yeah, it's it's tough because I I admire this film for what it's doing and I admire TRACK01: a narrative you want to have play out in a film. And that's where I that's where I feel like, yeah, it's it's tough because I I admire this film for what it's doing and I admired the look of the film. I admire the intimacy of the film. I admired all the elements that make it a fascinating watch. But at the end of the day, I'm still left with questions of but how much of it, how much of it was real, how much of it was TRACK04: intimacy of the film. I admired all the elements that make it a fascinating watch. But at the end of the day I'm still left with questions of but how much of it how much of it was real? How much of it was people knew what they were getting into. People knew what they were playing to. And again I I can get into some of it. It it does d it does involve a little bit of spoilering, which I'll try to couch around as I better actually TRACK01: People knew what they were getting into, people knew what they were playing to. And again, I I can get into some of it. It it does d it does involve a little bit of spoilering, which I'll try to couch around that best I can do. I I say for this review, this is such an unusual situation. Yeah. we've already laid out the premise. Let me I d didn't let me let me explain the premise a little bit. And then I'm gonna say TRACK04: I I say for this review, this is such an unusual situation. I mentioned the setup, it's a three hour documentary. It is in theaters. It seems to be doing somewhat well. we've already laid out the premise. Let me I d didn't let me let me explain the premise a little bit and then I'm gonna say if you don't want to be spoiled, don't listen to this review. Stop and like fast forward to where we do the rest of the show because it's kinda hard to talk about it, I think, without doing that. And I think it'll be a more rich TRACK01: If you don't want to be spoiled, don't listen to this review. So that sounds fair. Yeah, we could do that because it's kinda hard to talk about it without doing that. And I think it would be more rich discussion if we can't spoil it. Sure. Okay. Let just thirty four days before she's sent to prison, notorious Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes invites a film crew to document her every move. This film crew involves the comedian. TRACK04: discussion if we can spoil it. So let me just thirty four days before she's sent to prison, notorious Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes invites a film crew to document her every move. This film crew involves the comedian Nathan Fielder and director Lance Openheim, who actually share co-director credit on this. What begins as an intimate portrait becomes a mind bending three year journey. Okay, so that is the film Nathan Fielder, Lane Sopenheim are basically making a documentary talking to TRACK01: Nathan Fielder and director Lance Oppenheim, who actually share co director credit on this. What begins as an intimate portrait becomes a mind bending three year journey. Okay, so that is the film Nathan Fielder and Lance Openam are basically making a documentary talking to Elizabeth Holmes and her and her part. TRACK04: Elizabeth Holmes and her and her partner, who's in the film quite a bit. whose name is I am it is escaping me. What is his name? man. Billy Evans. Billy. Yeah, Billy's in the film. As well as their kids. or at least yeah, yeah. Both two kids, yes. Okay, so go back to you and no fear of spoilers now. Okay, yeah. So so I I spoilers are not a concern anymore. No. TRACK01: Whose name is I'm it is escaping me. What is his name? man. Billy Evans. Billy. Yeah, Billy's in the film. As well as their kids. or at least yeah, yeah. So go back to you and fear of spoilers now. Okay, so so I I spoilers are not a concern anymore. Okay. We can just be open on this. All right, so TRACK04: All right, so I guess my concerns with this film or why this film didn't connect with me like I was hoping it would, is we learn midway through the movie that you know, A twenty four, the studio that helped make this film met with you know, Elizabeth Holmes and Billy. Yes. Her husband or just partner. They are not married. TRACK01: I guess my concerns with this film or why this film didn't connect with me like I was hoping it would is we learn midway through the movie that, you know, A twenty four, the studio that helped make this film, yes, met with you know, Elizabeth Holmes and Billy. Yes. Her husband or just significant partner. Okay, cool. They have two children together, but TRACK04: partner. They have two children together but no they're not talked TRACK01: met with them and talked through how this project was going to come together. Nathan Fielder clearly identified as one of the two directors during that meeting. In other words, they knew getting into this project, Elizabeth and Billy, that Nathan Fielder was going to be one of the two directors. There's nothing that Nathan Fielder has done to this point that I've seen him be involved in that did not TRACK04: Nathan Fielder clearly identified as one of the two directors during that meeting. In other words, they knew getting into this project, Elizabeth and Billy, that Nathan Fielder was going to be one of the two directors. There's nothing that Nathan Fielder has done to this point that I've seen him be involved in that did not serve as a purpose to twist and TRACK01: serve as a purpose to twist and r show people for certain aspects of their of their lives and play with the narrative in a documentary style. Yeah, that's Nathan Fielder. Okay, that's fine. Just hold you gotta gotta give me this. So Nathan Fielder is has an agenda with what he does. TRACK04: show people for certain aspects of their of their lives and play with the narrative in a documentary style. Yeah, that's disagree. Nathan Fielder, okay, that's fine. Just hold you gotta gotta give me this. I'm gonna have it. It's yours. Nathan Fielder is has an agenda with what he does. Absolutely. Okay. But that's not a documentary necessarily in this situation. TRACK01: Okay. But that's not a documentary necessarily in this situation. Getting involved with Nathan Fielder from day one, I have a hard time swallowing that Elizabeth Holmes and Billy had no idea that this was going to be a let's turn this story on its head. Let's have some a very unique slant to how we're going to tell this story. I I TRACK04: Getting involved with Nathan Fielder from day one, I have a hard time swallowing that Elizabeth Holmes and Billy had no idea that this was going to be a let's turn this story on its head, let's have some a very unique slant to how we're going to tell this story. I I I just can't buy the fact that they didn't know to some degree where this project was gonna go. TRACK01: I just can't buy the fact that they didn't know to some degree where this project was gonna go. So even to the point where when we're interviewing them later on in the project and they're acting some level of surprise or maybe even some nonchalantness at times about where the project was going, I just didn't buy it. Because again, and and and the film even tries to end with a belief of TRACK04: So even to the point where when we're interviewing them later on in the project and they're acting some level of surprise or maybe even l some nonchalantness at times about where the project was going, I just didn't buy it. Because again, a and and the film even tries to end with a belief of TRACK01: Nathan Fielder may have developed some sympathy for Elizabeth Holmes and all that. Which again, I'm TRACK04: Nathan Fielder may have developed some sympathy for Elizabeth Holmes and all that. Which again I'm not saying if it did or not, but the film is clearly geared to make us believe that, as opposed to truly showing us what really was happening. And it's all by design. Again, I'm not faulting the way they decided to make the movie. I'm just saying it's it was tough for me to connect to because TRACK01: not saying if he did or not, but the film is clearly geared to make us believe that, as opposed to truly showing us what really was happening. And it's all by design. Again, I'm not faulting the way they decided to make the movie. I'm just saying it's it was tough for me to connect to because TRACK04: I know Nathan Fielder's work and I think this is a film that TRACK01: I know Nathan Fielder's work and I think this is a film that I I I I think there was a lot more narrative structure to this film and a lot more designed and planned out with this film than than what the film leads you to believe. And that that just sat wrong with me. So again, I I f I'm fascinated by the film. I'm fascinated by the production of it. I'm fascinated by the look of it, the intimacy that we got at times, but I do question how much of it was. TRACK04: I I I I think there was a lot more narrative structure to this film and a lot more designed and planned out with this film than than what the film leads you to believe. And that that just sat wrong with me. So again, I I I'm fascinated by the film, I'm fascinated by the production of it, I'm fascinated by the look of it, the intimacy that that we got at times, but I do question how much of it was playing to cameras and playing to a situation they knew what they were getting in. TRACK01: Playing two cameras and playing to a situation they knew what they were getting into TRACK04: to and we're going to help drive a narrative that we all want to share together by the end of the day. So that's that's my concern with the film. That's why I left at the end not feeling like I truly had seen something that was revealing. I never didn't really feel like it was something that was it felt less interesting to me by the end of the movie TRACK01: and we're going to help drive a narrative that we all want to share together by the end of the day. So that's that's my concern with the film. That's why I left at the end not feeling like I truly had seen something that was revealing. I never didn't really feel like it was something that was it felt less interesting to me by the end of the movie. TRACK04: because of the way it played out. TRACK01: because of the way it played out. And the way I think it had been nuanced and scripted into existence by the end. So that's my that's my take on it. I'm still fascinated by the film. I ultimately still think it's a positive film to see, but it did not connect with me the way I'm sure it probably is with others. But that was just my that was just my reaction to it. So TRACK04: in the way I think it had been nuanced and scripted into existence by the end. So that's my that's my take on it. I'm still fascinated by the film. I ultimately still think it's a positive film to see, but it did not connect with me the way I'm sure it probably is with others. But that was just my that was just my reaction to it. So TRACK01: so I'm done Chris. You can you can then take it and tell me how I'm wrong and everything. So yeah. TRACK04: So done, Chris. You and tell me how I'm right now. When we originally talked about this film, we had both seen a trailer in the theater, and I think we watched it again for a segment of trailer Tapas, and then we kinda talked about it afterwards. And you mentioned the fact that there were actors involved specifically, and I do not how to s know how to say her name, just TRACK01: And I do not how to s how to say her name just TRACK04: apparently like Elizabeth Holmes doesn't know how to say her name. Amanda, first name, Seifried, Seyfried. She says it obviously correctly in the movie and then is corrected by TRACK01: name Seyfried Seyfried. She says it obviously correctly in the movie and then it's corrected by Nathan Bill's like, nope, that's not how she says your name. She says it is incorrect. So I can't remember which the correct name that way it is. But Amanda Seifried's in the film and Christopher Abbott's in the film. And I called then when we got that little bit of knowledge. I said, There are gonna be reenactments in this. And there were. TRACK04: By Nathan Billy's like, nope, that's not how she says your name. She says it the way that is incorrect. So I can't remember which the correct name way is, but Amanda Seyfried's in the film and Christopher Abbott's in the film. And I called then when we got that little bit of knowledge, I said, There are gonna be reenactments in this. And there were. and I think that maybe for some people who are not aware of his work, maybe kind of like a spoiler or a twist or something. They say, It wasn't for me because I kind of went in expecting it. It comes probably TRACK01: think that maybe for some people who are not aware of his work, maybe kind of like a spoiler or a twist or something. They say it wasn't for me 'cause I kinda went in expecting it. It comes probably over TRACK04: over halfway through the film. but it wasn't a surprise when it happened. and I think you maybe even mentioned in our discussion of it how of the TRACK01: halfway through the film. but it wasn't a surprise when it happened. and I think you maybe even mentioned in our discussion of it how trailer teaser or whatever we s I mentioned the stars and you said, Well, Amanda Safree did play her in a Hulu series and I like, I was correct when the dropout. Mm-hmm. So, that did not surprise me. And I think Nathan Fielder as a person, TRACK04: trailer teaser or whatever, when we s I mentioned the stars and you said, well, Amanda Safery did play her in a Hulu series. And I was like, I was completely unaware of that. So that did not surprise me. And I think Nathan Fielder as a person, I think is fascinating for what he's TRACK01: think is fascinating for what he's seemingly willing to reveal about himself in the most recent season of the rehearsal. There again, if you're not familiar with his work, you wouldn't know this. But he seems as if he is willingly tested for autism. And it comes out that, yeah, you you appear to be, you know, a little bit on the spectrum is slightly autistic. And he says, Huh, that's interesting. And the way he processes things and the way he does his rehearsals, which are faked TRACK04: Seemingly willing to reveal about himself in the most recent season of the rehearsal. There again, if you're not familiar with his work, you wouldn't know this, but he seems as if he is willingly tested for autism. And it comes out that, yeah, you you appear to be, you know, a little bit on the spectrum as slightly autistic. And he says, Huh, that's interesting. And the way he processes things and the way he does his rehearsals, which are faked, TRACK01: and TRACK04: and TRACK01: that he brings actors in but it's to help people realize their true potential. It's it's a fascinating show. We're not here to talk about rehearsal. But that aspect of it is fascinating to me and going into this movie I was like, okay, I do know who Elizabeth Hones is. I do know what she was accused of fraud for Theranos. The TRACK04: That he brings actors but it's to help people realize their true potential. It's it's a fascinating show, but we're not here to talk about the rehearsal. But that aspect of it is fascinating to me. And going into this movie, I was like, okay, I do know who Elizabeth Holmes is. I do know what she was accused of fraud for Theranos. The f but I I've never seen her interviewed. And apparently before this happened, before they agreed to let Nathan Thielder come in, they hadn't done any interviews for like Was it seven years or something? They they mentioned something and it's like, whoa, okay. So for me, what made this engaging and I wasn't disappointed, I do have some questions. and it is I was talking to someone the other day that said that they feel like this is not a documentary and this is unfairly marketed as a documentary, because they felt like it was three actors acting in front of the camera the entire time. TRACK01: So for me, what made this engaging and I wasn't disappointed, I do have some questions. and it is I was talking to someone the other day that said that they feel like this is not a documentary and this is unfairly marketed as a documentary, because they felt like it was three actors acting in front of the camera the entire time. And I said, I hear what you're saying. TRACK04: And I said, I hear what you're saying, but I completely disagree. And I think you're right. Nathan Fielder is a comedian first. He's not a documentarian, to my knowledge. this is like but he in his mind, the way his mind works, I think I think going in, they again don't know much about Elizabeth Holmes, still don't know much about Elizabeth Holmes, but that's the point of this documentary. And her partner, to a lesser extent, Billy Evans. TRACK01: But I completely disagree. And I think you're right. Nathan Fielder is a comedian first. He's not a documentarian, to my knowledge. I mean, this is on but he in his mind, the way his mind works, I think I think going in, there again, don't know much about Elizabeth Holmes, still don't know much about Elizabeth Holmes, but that's the point of this documentary. And her partner, to a lesser extent, Billy Evans. TRACK04: he lets his mask slip more than I think he probably wanted to. now, so Nathan Fielder in his previous work and in this film, he's asking the questions. He's very guarded. He keeps a blank face. He doesn't say a lot except to sometimes make jokes, but he just nods. And when things are said to him, with the exception of one time when Nathan is talking to Elizabeth Holmes's father. TRACK01: He lets his mask slip more than I think he probably wanted to. Agreed. now, so Nathan Fielder in his previous work and in this film, he's asking the questions. He's very guarded. He kind of keeps a blank face. He doesn't kind of say a lot, except to sometimes make jokes, but he just kind of nods, and when things are said to him, with the exception of one time when Nathan is talking to Elizabeth Holmes' father. TRACK04: And he says something that actually visibly seems to shock Nathan and get a response out of. He's like, whoa, what? Like kind of out of nowhere, he says an incident that he feels set Elizabeth down kind of a dangerous path or disturbed her. And he was like, Whoa, and that kind of unfortunately that's not touched back on. because I think there was some ground TRACK01: And he says something that actually visibly seems to shock Nathan and kind of get a response out. He's like, Whoa, what? Like kinda out of nowhere, he says an incident that he feels set Elizabeth down kind of a dangerous path or disturbed her. And he was like, Whoa, and that kinda unfortunately that's not touched back on. because I think there was some but going back to what you talk about Billy Evans TRACK04: there that could have been investigated. but going back to you talk about Billy Evans and TRACK01: and Elizabeth Holmes getting into this situation, I think, for what I can tell TRACK04: And Elizabeth Holmes getting into this situation, I think, from what I can tell, they were thinking we're gonna have Nathan Fielder, who does all this revealing, weird stuff with rehearsal, but he's a comedian. He's gonna see us as just simple people, just two people trying to raise kids who are now gonna have this, she's gonna go away to prison, and that all I and so that's what I think. TRACK01: They were thinking we're gonna have Nathan Fielder, who does all this revealing, weird stuff with rehearsal, but he's a comedian. He's gonna see us as just simple people. Just two people trying to raise kids who are now gonna have this, she's gonna go away to prison, and then all over and so that's what I think they are at. And they they say as much. And I think Elizabeth Holmes, she is so. TRACK04: They are and they they say as much. And I think Elizabeth Holmes, she is so Fascinating and a stone wall and a blank slate. And one of the tricks of the film for me, but I now come to believe differently, and I think the film lets you there again, spoiler, you know, we're we're we're through spoilers. While watching the film I became worried TRACK01: Fascinating and a stone wall and a blank slate. And one of the tricks of the film for me, but I now come to believe differently, and I think the film lets you know again, spoiler, we're we're we're through spoilers. While watching the film, I became worried. TRACK04: about her because I thought her husband or not sorry, partner was pulling all the strings and that she was nothing but a a TRACK01: sorry, partner was pulling all the strings. Mm-hmm. And that she was nothing but a a TRACK04: a d a fall guy or fall woman in this case. And then, no, I don't think that's the case. And I think she has a, for lack of better term, poker face much better than her husband does. And after her she goes off to prison, there's a scene with Nathan Fielder, Amanda Seafried, and the husband where he basically, I think, loses it. TRACK01: a d a fall guy or fall woman in this case. And then no, I don't think that's the case. And I think she has a for lack of better term, poker face much better than her husband does. And after her she goes off to prison, there's a scene with Nathan Fielder, Amanda Seafried and the husband where he basically, I think, loses it. And you know, I I yeah, and I feel like that was TRACK04: And, you know, I I yeah, and I feel like that was TRACK01: revealing, but also can't seem like, okay, these two people are very controlling. They thought TRACK04: revealing, but also can't saying okay, these two people are very controlling. They thought they thought they can control this. Nathan Fielder, to an extent, thought he could control it. And I think an element you were alluding to, which I understand because at at first walking out of the theater, I was like, this is ugh what a weird feeling to walk out with that Nathan has been seduced by Elizabeth Holmes and tried to polish this so that it didn't say anything bad about her. TRACK01: They thought they can control this. Nathan Fielder, to an extent, thought he could control it. And I think an element you were alluding to, which I understand because at first walking out of the theater I was like, this is ugh what a weird feeling to walk out with that Nathan has been seduced by Elizabeth Holmes and tried to polish this so that it didn't say anything bad about her. But when I reflected on it, TRACK04: But when I reflected on it, the scene it ends with, I think, is a scene that which we've seen earlier in the film, but it's zoomed out, so you don't see like you see two people playing in the ocean. One you can tell is Elizabeth Holmes. The other person you just assume or I assumed, I shouldn't say we I assumed was her husband. Then they at the end of the film they show a closer shot and it's Nathan Fielder and Elizabeth Holmes laughing and in the ocean. Now, earlier in the film TRACK01: scene it ends with, I think, is a scene that which we've seen earlier in the film but it's zoomed out so you don't see like you see two people playing in the ocean. One of them tells Elizabeth Holmes, the other person you just assume or I assumed, shouldn't say we, I assumed was her husband. Correct. Then they at the end of the film they show a closer shot and it's Nathan Fielder and Elizabeth Holmes kinda like laughing and in the ocean. Now earlier in the film TRACK04: when she has not gone to prison yet. She is talking about, well, I'm just I want to go for a swim. I'm gonna go down the ocean. I think you should come with me. And he's like, I don't, I don't do cold water. I don't really like, no, I'm not really doing that. And she's like, no, I really think you should come. He's like, well, and then they move on to something else. So at first when I saw that scene in the film, it turned me up and then I was like, wait a second, they actually told us that they were gonna go do this, that this happened. So that in combination with TRACK01: She is talking about well, I'm just I wanna go for a swim, I'm gonna go down the ocean, I think you should come with me. And he's like, I don't I don't do cold water. I don't really like no, I'm not really doing that. And she's like, No, I really think you should come. He's like, Well and then they kind of move on to something else. So at first when I saw that scene in the film, it came up and I was like, Wait a second, they actually told us that they were gonna go do this, that this happened. So that in combination with when Nathan is walking through a horse horse pasture with Amanda TRACK04: When Nathan is walking through a horse horse pasture with Amanda and they're talking about working on the reenactments and stuff. And Amanda says something along the lines of, I think this is when she says it, I just wanna get her away from her Billy Evans, her partner. I want her, I want to dig up some information on him because he just seems too late. And he's like, no, no, and Nathan stops her and says, Don't let her get inside your head. Don't let her do that. TRACK01: get her away from her Billy Evans, her partner. I want her I want to dig up some information on him because he just seems too late. And he's like, no no and Nathan stops her and says, Don't let her get inside your head. Don't let her do that. And I think that's because this is after he's already done the beach swimming thing. Because he realized I think Nathan, who as I said, I respect him 'cause he's his mind is very interesting to me. I think he's a good comedian. I like his T V work like you said, like you do. But I think he was kind of admitting TRACK04: And I think that's because this is after he's already done the beach swimming thing because he realiz I think Nathan, who as I said, I respect him 'cause he's his mind is very interesting to me. I think he's a good comedian. I like his T V work, like you said, like you do. But I think he was kind of admitting, TRACK01: She got my head. She's very good at what she does. And she got in my head. And now with distance, I'm realizing like, yeah, that was stupid of me to let her TRACK04: She got in my head. She's very good at what she does. And she got in my head. And now with distance, I'm realizing like, yeah, that was stupid of me to let her TRACK01: convince me to go because that was dumb. That was done. There was no reason I don't like doing that. But for whatever reason, I did it. And now I I realize that's a mistake. So I think he's pointing out like she's I think that was the whole without coming out and I think some folks maybe wanted to see this to like nail her to the wall and get her to TRACK04: convinced me to go because that was dumb. That was d there was no reason I don't like doing that. But for whatever reason, I did it. And now I I realize that's a mistake. So I think he's pointing out she's I think that was the whole without coming out and I think some folks maybe wanted to see this to nail her to the wall and get her to TRACK01: admit all this stuff and and like that's not gonna happen and that didn't happen. But I think what did happen is show showing you she's a very TRACK04: admit all this stuff and and that's not going to happen. And that didn't happen. But I think what did happen is showing showing you she's a very TRACK01: complicated, manipulative intelligent person. And I think Nathan was like, yeah, and she she got to me. She's get she got to you from everything I've said to you. You played her in the series you kind of learned about her and everything. She got to me. She got she can she can get to you just from what I'm telling you. TRACK04: complicated, manipulative, intelligent person. And I think Nathan was like, Yeah, and she she got to me. She's get she got to you from everything I've said to you. You played her in a series, you kinda learned about her and everything. She got to me. She got she she can get to you just from what I'm telling you. So that was fascinating. But I can totally see how I can totally see how it turns people off. But I found it I found it fascinating. Fascinating, yeah. There's no doubt it's fascinating. But TRACK01: So that was fascinating. But can totally see how I can totally see how it it fascinating. No, no, fascinating yeah, there's no doubt it's fascinating. But I think this is a movie in two parts and it's even structured in that way. It's like there's everything up to her going to prison and then everything after. And I'm fascinated, I'm still with the film up through her going to prison because TRACK04: think this is a movie in two parts and it's even structured in that way. It's like everything up to her going into prison. They do a countdown of days. Right. And I'm fascinated, I'm still with the film up through her going to prison. Because it was what I had expected the film to be, which was an exploration of spending some time with her and her partner, which both fascinating people to spend time with. Right. And it's really like it it's a c it's a fascinating concept. These are the days leading up to her TRACK01: It was what I had expected the film to be, which was an exploration of spending some time with her and her partner, which both fascinating people to spend time with. And it's really like it is a c it's a fascinating concept. These are the days leading up to her leaving her family and going off to prison for something that there's still some people out there that wonder should she have been going to prison for this? Is there some, you know, nothing but a fog of Right. TRACK04: leaving her family and going off to prison for something that there's still some people out there that wonder should she have been going to prison for this? Is there some Is she nothing but a fall guy for I can't remember the other founder or the other person that there knows I d can't remember but it was the same situation that you're kinda hinting at with Billy where he was controlling. to me, again, this is why I I love the first half of this film because that's what I was hoping for is I want to just TRACK01: Right, I don't remember either. But it was the same situation they were kinda hinting at he Well, there's a couple situ to me, again, this is why I love the first half of this film because that's what I was hoping for is I want to just I want to be a fly on the wall to hear and understand these two people. These people. And I felt like I did. Pretty much. Billy and and Billy and and and no no. Hadn't TRACK04: I wanna be a fly on the wall to hear and understand these two people. And I felt like I did. The two people being Billy Evans and Okay, not Nathan Fielder. Okay. I I didn't know we'd need to know anything but we're normal about Nathan. Okay. TRACK01: I I didn't know we'd need to know anything about Norway about Nathan. Got got him covered. It's just I wanted to follow these two people. And there's a really interesting bit. To me, it was the crux of the whole first half of the film that just worked for me, which is where they start to talk about how she doesn't believe she was lying about Theranos. Exactly. That to me is like, no, this is what I wanted to see out of this film. TRACK04: two people. Gotcha. And there's a really interesting bit. To me, it was the crux of the whole first half of the film that just worked for me, which is where they start to talk about how she doesn't believe she was lying. Followed by followed by the who's on first sequence. That is that to me is like no, this is what I wanted to see out of this film. I got you. Because this is where I really feel like I'm I'm understanding her TRACK01: Because this is where I'm really feel like I'm I'm understanding her either what she really believes or what she has convinced us that she wants people to believe. Yes. Either way. It's fascinating. And I love that whole bit because it's like, okay, so she has either is truly believes that her technology was possible and she has created this concocted reason. That's right. She never lied in in her mind. TRACK04: either what she really believes or what she has convinced us that she wants people to believe. Yes. Either way. Same thing yes. Yes. And I love that whole bit because it's like, okay, so she has either is truly believes that her technology was possible and she has created And there were no no lies told or no never lied. Right. In in her mind. Right. Or she has completely fabricated her approach on this and she is so committed to it that TRACK01: Or she has completely fabricated her approach on this and she is so committed to it that we could make people could believe her on her on it. Either way, that is all fascinating. I think where the film lost me was with the second half because it felt like all right, Nathan and and Lance, you guys had a really fascinating ninety minute documentary about Elizabeth Holmes and her partner. TRACK04: could make people could believe her on her on it. Either way, that is all fascinating. I think where the film lost me was with the second half because it felt like all right Nathan and Lance, you guys had a really fascinating 90-minute documentary about Elizabeth Holmes and her partner the days leading up to her her going to jail. And I'm TRACK01: the days leading up to her her going to jail. And I'm fascinated by it. And then I'm like, sure, I'd like to know what more we explore or get into while she's in prison. Okay, that I'm I'm I'm set and ready for the second half. And I the whole use of the reenactors I thought was really great as well. Amanda Seafried. I knew that was going to be kind of like you said, kind of felt like that was going to be something about it. And then TRACK04: fascinated by it. And then I'm like, sure, I'd like to know what more we explore or get into while she's in prison. Okay, that I I'm I'm I'm set and ready for the second half. And I'm the whole use of the reenactors I thought was really great as well. Manda Seafried. I knew that was gonna be like you said, felt like that was going to be something about it. That's a Nathan Fielder thing. Bring in Christopher Abbott, another actor to play Billy and so I'm like, cool, I get it. This is a TRACK01: Yeah. And they bring in Christopher Abbott, another actor, to play Billy in the reenactments. I'm like, cool, I get it. This is a this is a Nathan Fielder bit. There are places where we're gonna have conversations where we're not able to see and hear those conversations. So I'm like, reenactments are great. It's where the film shifted into let's get these guys. Okay. And that's the Amanda C free conversation. It's the we need to get Billy. Billy's not good. And it's like TRACK04: Is a Nathan Fielder bit. There are places where we're gonna have conversations where we're not able to see and hear those conversations inside of prison. Right. It's where the film shifted into let's get these guys. Okay? And that's the Amanda C free conversation. It's the we need to get Billy. Billy's not good. And it's like, and then it's also a narrative of TRACK01: And then it's also a narrative of, okay, Nathan, have you developed feelings for Elizabeth and you have been manipulated? All of that is where I started to feel the narrative pieces behind the scenes happening to make a story. Now, what I think is interesting is that the premise of let's get Billy. We think Billy's bad. Billy's doing bad things. We're uncovering this bit. TRACK04: Okay, Nathan, have you developed feelings for Elizabeth and you have been manipulated? All of that is where I started to feel the narrative pieces behind the scenes happening to make a story. Now what I think is interesting is that the premise of let's get Billy, we think Billy's bad. Billy's doing bad things. We're uncovering this bit about his ro his agreement with A twenty four that he was gonna get the money and did Elizabeth know about that. Okay. TRACK01: about his re his agreement with A twenty four that he was gonna get the money and did Elizabeth know about that? Okay. And I feel like all that it's almost a let's find a narrative to go on with this. The only redeeming bit for that second half where I did feel like there was at least a little comeuppance is that by the end, you kind of you kind of see their theory, their their narrative TRACK04: And I feel like all that it's almost a let's find a narrative to go on with this. The only redeeming bit for that second half where I did feel like there was at least a little comeuppance is that by the end, you kind of you kind of see their theory, their their narrative break down a little bit in that and there's some belief that TRACK01: break down a little bit in that yeah, there's some belief that yes, Billy was acting in in certain ways and making certain decisions, but Elizabeth was totally cool with it. And it actually they had a really quote weird, healthy relationship that even though it didn't look healthy on the surface, as you start digging into it it's like, no, actually, yeah, TRACK04: Yes, Billy was acting in in certain ways and making certain decisions, but Elizabeth was totally cool with it. And it actually they had a really quote weird healthy relationship that even though it didn't look healthy on the surface, as you start digging into it's like no, actually Yeah, Billy's a weird and a jerk, but he he and Elizabeth are partners and they kinda did TRACK01: Billy's a weird and a jerk, but he he and Elizabeth are partners and they kinda did TRACK04: plan all this stuff together. So I kinda like the fact that there was a little bit of come up and some Amanda Seafried and and and Nathan Field are sitting in the car saying, let's we gotta find some dirt. Let's find something. And I kind of like that little bit of, all right, yeah, they they said they're gonna go after a narrative and it kinda fell apart. You know, or not fell apart, but it got chiseled away a little bit by the end. TRACK01: plan all this stuff together. So I like the fact that there was a little bit of come up and some Amanda Seafried and and and Nathan Field are sitting in a car saying, let's we got to find some dirt. Let's find something. And I like that little bit of, all right, yeah, they they said they're going to go after a narrative and it fell apart. or not fell apart, but it got chiseled a little bit by the end. I think it's just when it got to that end and it was the swimming scene, honestly, where I'm like TRACK04: I think it's just when it got to that end and it was the swimming scene, honestly, where I'm like, All right, I feel like at this point here at the end of the film, they're just trying to push a potential narrative to make this second half as TRACK01: All right. I feel like at this point here at the end of the film, they're just trying to push a potential narrative to make this second half as twisty and narrative structured interesting as possible. And I just I I just didn't buy it because I don't believe that Nathan Fielder got snowed over by Elizabeth Snowden. I don't believe he got enchanted by her. I think I feel like he knew what he was playing with. TRACK04: twisty and narrative structured, interesting as possible. And I just I just didn't buy it because I don't believe that Nathan Fielder got snowed over by Elizabeth Snowden. I don't believe he got enchanted by her. I think I feel like he knew what he was playing with with her to get. And TRACK01: with her to get. And I felt it was a little disingenuous to cut to that last shot at the end and be like, look, they were in the ocean swimming together. So maybe he was getting manipulated. I'm like, no, he wasn't. He knew what they were filming. He knew what they were trying to get. And he knew that that was really good content to get to try to make this possible narrative TRACK04: I felt it was a little disingenuous to cut to that last shot at the end and be like, look, they were in the ocean swimming together. So maybe he was getting manipulated. I'm like, no, he wasn't. He knew what they were filming. He knew what they were trying to get. And he knew that that was really good content to get to try to make this possible narrative. idea happened by the end. So anyway, that that's how I took it. Again, I could be completely wrong, Chris. I mean, TRACK01: idea happen by the end. So anyway, that that's how I took it. Again, I could be completely wrong, Chris. I mean TRACK04: I I if I sat down with Nathan Fielder right now and I and he said, No, look, it truly did happen this way and it truly did. We really had no idea what we were creating, crafting in that second half. TRACK01: I I if I sat down with Nathan Fielder right now and I yeah and he said, No, look, it truly did happen this way, and it truly did. We really had no idea what we were creating, crafting in that second half. You know, if if I if I believed him, of course Nathan Fielder's not someone I can naturally just believe. That's kind of his thing, and Elizabeth Holmes, I can't believe either. So it's like I get the reason for putting the two of them together on this project because it is two people that have crafted a life off of possibly TRACK04: if if I if I believed him, of course Nathan Fielder's not someone I can naturally just believe. That's his thing. And Elizabeth Holmes, I can't believe either. So it's like I get the reason for putting the two of them together on this project because it is two people that have crafted a life off of possibly deception and and and twisting the n the the truth to explore deeper messages and deeper themes. Get it. But TRACK01: deception and and and twisting the n the the truth to explore deeper messages and deeper themes. Get it. But TRACK04: I I just felt like there was just a little too much monkeying behind the scenes to make something work narratively when I felt like what they were exploring in that first half of the film, to me was enough. It was good. It's like I didn't need I didn't need the potential intrigue of TRACK01: I I just felt like there was just a little too much monking behind the scenes to make something work narratively when I felt like what they were exploring in that first half of the film to me was enough. It was good. It's like I didn't need I didn't need the potential intrigue of Let's let's go out and find something to nail Billy to the cross and let's, or or Nate has Nathan been been corrupted or himself or influenced. I I I I just didn't feel like any of that n was necessary. I think the fascinating part of that first half is that wow, the we were listening to two really, really interesting people and I don't know how much of it to believe, but I love hearing it being laid out for us. TRACK04: let's go out and find something to nail Billy to the cross and let's or or Nate has Nathan been been corrupted or himself or influenced. I I I I just didn't feel like any of that was necessary. I think the fascinating part of that first half is that wow, the we are listening to two really, really interesting people and I don't know how much of it to believe, but I love hearing it being laid out for us. TRACK01: So Anyway. TRACK04: I I yeah. No, go finish. Yeah, I no TRACK01: That's right. That that's it. That's that that's and again, it's all my take, and that's it. TRACK04: it yeah, and I I not as I think because for me the entire film was a chess match between Nathan TRACK01: I think because for me the entire film was a chess match between Nathan. TRACK04: Fielder and Billy Evans and Elizabeth Holmes. And I enjoyed watching the chess match. Yes, it was long. Yes, I agree. They they could have divided this film either into two parts TRACK01: Yes, it was long. Yes, I agree. They they could have divided this film either into two parts. Part one is Before She Goes to Prison, released that, and then just done part two, which could have been a, you know, three part rehearsal series, season three of the rehearsal. But they didn't. And they could have just released just the first part. TRACK04: Part one is before she goes to prison, release that and then just done part two, which could have been a, you know, three part rehearsal series, season three of the rehearsal. But they didn't. And they could have just released just the first part and put that as a documentary, and sounds like you would have enjoyed it much better. but you know, they they did what they did, and I can see how it could have been more successful and yeah, I could I could see that. TRACK01: but you know, they they did what they did and I can see how it could have been more successful and yeah, I could I could see that. TRACK04: There were there are things before I get to before I get to some questions I have and things that made me, you know, like I said, the swimming scene originally turned me off, but then the more I thought about it, I'm like, No, it it kinda works. there's an instance as well. I mentioned the Who's On First part. That that coming right like that was you're right, that could have been a short film, just that thing and that's amazing because it's he questions her with is Billy there when he's questioning her specifically about okay. And it's kind of like TRACK01: There were there are things before I get to before I get to some questions I have and things that made me, you know, like I said, the swimming scene originally turned me off, but then the more I thought about it, I'm like, No, it it kinda works. there's an instance as well. I mentioned the who's on first part. That that coming right like that was you're right, that could have been a short film, just that thing so good. And that's amazing because it's he questions her with is Billy there when he's Yeah, yeah. Okay. And it's kinda like TRACK04: Okay, so I wanna get this straight. You've never lied, and this thing, the machine, the machine and she the way she answers it, it's like, yes, it's it's an interesting very interesting word short word. Right. And I think I feel like very well thought out and okay. So and her ability to do that and to kind of deflect and turn the narrative to how she wants is fascinating. And at one point, I think I believe after she's gone to prison, he's having a conversation with Billy Evans. TRACK01: Okay, so I want to get this straight. You've never lied and you're the machine, the machine and she the way she answers that it's like, yes, it's it's an interesting It's very interesting word cho word play. And I think I think very well thought out. Okay. So and her ability to do that and to kind of deflect and turn the narrative to how she wants is fascinating. Yes, absolutely. I think I believe after she's gone to prison he's having a conversation with Billy Evans. TRACK04: And he says, I know what you're feeling and Nathan's like, No, you don't like that he's like, you know, it's like, No, you don't and I think that's so it's like they're equal and they they give and take, but there's a there's a wall that neither party, Elizabeth Holmes, Billy Evans, or Nathan Fielder, is letting you get behind. And I can see like you're saying he had a narrative in mind of what he was gonna try to do and it's like, yeah, it it was it's fascinating. TRACK01: he says, I know what you're feeling and Nathan's like, No you don't. Yeah, right. It's like, No, you don't. Yeah. I think that's so it's like they're equal and they they give and take, but there's a there's a wall that neither party, Elizabeth Holmes, Billy Evans, or Nathan Fielder, is letting you get behind. Yeah. And I can see like you're saying he had a narrative in mind of what he was gonna try to do. And it's like, yeah, it was it was fascinating. You it you I just want to comment on that. You describing TRACK04: Go, go. You I just want to comment on that. You describing TRACK01: that yes, solidified for me even more so what my take on this is. I loved the concept for this first I think it's about 90 minutes. The first half of the film is this yes, let's spend time and all. And yes, why have Nathan Fielder be the one doing the interviewing and all that? Because our perception and society of Nathan Fielder is also someone that TRACK04: Take on this is. I loved the concept for this first I think it's about 90 minutes, the first half of the film. It's like, you know, this yes, let's spend time and all. And yes, why have Nathan Fielder be the one doing the interviewing and all that? Because our perception and society of Nathan Fielder is also someone that we don't know how much to trust and to believe because of the work we've seen him do. I mean we know his his style. So I love this idea. It's like, okay, cool, we're gonna have put Nathan Fielder TRACK01: We don't know how much to trust and to believe because of the work we've seen him do. we know his his style. So I love this idea. It's like, okay, cool. We're gonna have put Nathan Fielder in the house with someone who is known notoriously for whether or not she lies and has twisted reality around her own world. Love it. And I just felt like everything I was watching, I'm like, yeah, this is like really great, interesting dialogue. So good. And I I get TRACK04: in a house with someone who is known notoriously for whether or not she lies and has twisted reality around her world. Right. Love it. And I just felt like everything I was watching, I'm like, yeah, this is like really great, interesting dialogue. So good. And I I get in that first half I'm like, I totally get why they wanted to have Nathan Fielder be the one spending time because TRACK01: In that first half, I'm like, I totally get why they wanted to have Nathan Fielder be the one spending time because there's a lot of similarities between the two of them and they kind of are playing that up a little bit. I I think it's just when the when the when the movie shifted over to become a Nathan Fielder show experiment in the second half is like like of the reverse. Right. I'm like, that just TRACK04: There's a lot of similarities between the two of them and they are playing that up a little bit. I I think it's just when the when the when the movie shifted over to become a Nathan Fielder show experiment. Gotcha. In the second half is like I'm like Season three of the rehearsal. Right. Okay. I'm like, that just it kind of to me invalidated TRACK01: It to me invalidated a lot of what I felt like I follow in the first half. And I think that's I think you've helped me solidify my thoughts on it. That's what it is. It's it is. It's two movies for me and I just I felt like it was a mismatch and I didn't feel like the part two earned the earnestness that I was felt like I was seeing and or at least questioning in episode one or part one. So you yeah, I'm sorry, but keep keep going up. So now I'm gonna get some stuff that 'cause I've been nothing but a champion and you've been a little TRACK04: happen. I think that's I think you've helped me solidify my thoughts on it. That's what it is. Okay. It is. It's two movies for me and I just I felt like it was a mismatch and I didn't feel like the part two earned the earnestness that I was felt like I was seeing and or at least questioning sure in episode one or part one. Yeah, but I'm sorry, but keep No no no so now I'm gonna get some stuff that 'cause you know, I've been nothing but a champion and you've, you know, kind of been a little bit more critical. Now I'm gonna turn to some things that TRACK01: Now I'm gonna turn to some things that other than I mentioned the beach thing at the very show. But do I want to mention some things that kind of bothered me while watching the film and I haven't been able to justify them and maybe the reason they're there is for like you're saying it's mechanics of narrative. You you hit those items and then I will I will counter with some things, some specifics about the film that I really admired and liked. So we're kinda kinda going on both sides on everything. Okay, go ahead, Chris. What what were some questions or TRACK04: then the you I mentioned the beach thing at the very end of the shot. But now I'm gonna mention some things that kinda bothered me while watching the film and I haven't been able to justify them and maybe the reason they're there is for like you're saying, it's mechanics of trying to build a narrative. You you hit those items and then I'll b I will counter with some things, some specifics about the film that I really admired and liked. So we're kinda kinda ping pong on those sides. Absolutely like it. Go ahead, Chris. What what were some questions or so I didn't TRACK01: yeah. I didn't understand the text message thread that Nathan is reading on that basically reveals the title. You can see everything. Right, okay. And it is prior to Elizabeth. TRACK04: Understand the text message thread that Nathan is reading at one point that basically reveals the title. You can see everything. And it is prior to Elizabeth going to prison. I'm assuming maybe he's texting with Lance Oppenheim. Don't know. And I think at this point, Elizabeth and Billy Evans are maybe down on the beach or something, which could lead you to believe that's the swimming scene. I don't know, but I was like, TRACK01: Assuming maybe he's texting with Lance Oppenheim. Don't know. And I think at this point, Elizabeth and Billy Evans maybe down on the beach or something, which could lead you to believe that's the swimming scene that I don't I don't know, but I was like I I did know that and it bothered me because it was like it took me out of the document. It's not a movie per se, but a documentary because it was like, Wait, what? you can what is what is It may be a mess. in and I can understand the com the question around it because it felt like to me it was a TRACK04: I I didn't know that and it bothered me because it was like it took me out of the document. It's not a movie per se, but a document because it's like, Wait, what? Like you can what is what is maybe what's going on here? Yeah, in and I can understand the c the question around it because it felt like to me it was a hey, we just came up with the title for our film, so let's make sure we show the text message where that title came came from. I don't that's how it felt like because there was no other real way. Right. And it d and to me like TRACK01: Hey, we just came up with the title for our film, so let's make sure we show the text message where that title kinda came from. I don't that's how it felt like because there was no other really purpose to it. So yeah. Not that I know of no, but that just was like, really? That so yeah. That that bothered me. Okay. the R rating TRACK04: that's just shocking and disappointing that Nathan would do because it not that I know him, I don't, but that just was like, really? That so that that bothered me. the R rating for the film, and I'm assuming the reason for it, is there's a graphic nudity scene of Billy Evans in the shower. Don't again, I don't TRACK01: assuming the reason for it is there's a graphic nudity scene of Billy Evans in the shower. Don't again, I don't TRACK04: get it. I don't understand what that's supposed to mean, other than the fact that Billy's maybe he makes a comment about Elizabeth's physicality when they have an AI version of her done and it's based on after right after she'd given birth to their second kid. So she's maybe not lost her baby weight or something. And he's critical of her physique and he says, Yeah, like now that she's, you know, been working out, she's like ripped, she's got abs or whatever. Nathan's like, okay. So maybe it was kind of like TRACK01: I actually think that's supposed to mean the fact that Billy's maybe he makes a comment about Elizabeth's physicality when they have an AI version of her done. Yeah. And it's based on after right after she'd given birth to their second kid. So she's maybe not lost her baby weight or something and he's critical of her physique and Yeah, like now that she's you know been working out, she's like ripped, she's got ads or whatever, Nathan's like, okay. Yeah. So maybe it was kind of like TRACK04: beginning to try to tear down his presence as but I was just like why I get the impression it was meant to showcase for us that Elizabeth and Billy has said or felt like, yeah, you guys can just come in and film us 'cause we're open and we don't have nothing to hide. And the fact that camera guys like or or Lance or whoever's about Hey, so you're getting you're getting a shower. Do you mind if we TRACK01: I took it as I I I get the impression it was meant to showcase for us that Elizabeth and Billy has said or felt like, yeah, you guys can just come in and film us 'cause we're open and we don't have nothing to hide. And the fact that camera guys like or or O'Lance or whoever's behind the camera is like, Hey, so you're getting you're getting a shower. Do you mind if we I think a little bit of that. I I that's that's how I'd like to believe it came across across. Yeah. Sure. Okay. So those those two things and then TRACK04: Sure. It's like that idea of like, yeah, I'm just out here. It's like maybe trying to call us bluff, and then it was like, no, no, come on. Okay. It was just it was shocking, was not expecting it, and I was just like, okay. And that and the text message I just kind of didn't. Okay, so those those two things. And then two two more things. I'll do them in order. Okay, after Elizabeth has gone to prison, there is a TRACK01: Two two more things. I'll do them in order. Okay. after Elizabeth has gone to prison, mm, there is a what felt to me very stagy rehearsal season part three part where Nathan is apparently in a hotel room in New York City. He has opened a bottle of wine. right, yeah. And is waiting for a phone call from Elizabeth because he wants to talk to her directly. Yeah. And then he's written letters and mentions something about TRACK04: What felt to me very stagey rehearsal season part three part where Nathan is apparently in a hotel room in New York City. He has opened a bottle of wine and is waiting for a phone call from Elizabeth because he wants to talk to her directly. And then he's written letters and mentions something about a breakup on his part that he'd broken up with, I guess, a partner or something. And I was just like, Okay. TRACK01: break up on his part that he'd broken up with, I guess, partner or something. And I was just like, okay, this gets a little bit it got a little odd for me. So that and then, you know, it TRACK04: This gets a little bit it got a little odd for me. So that and then, it and maybe he was tr maybe it was nothing more than trying to manipulate Elizabeth, just like he felt that she'd been so I don't that that felt a little off to me. And then last, and it's because it goes into Nathan going to visit her in prison, which he did do, which they talked about in the phone call they set up he did do, and he was there. TRACK01: And maybe he was tr maybe it was nothing more than trying to manipulate Elizabeth. Just like he felt that she's Could have been. And then last and it's because it goes into Nathan going to visit her in prison, which he did do, which they talked about in the phone call they set up he did do. And he was there TRACK04: Apparently for maybe an hour before Billy Evans got there. Or he knew he was gonna have some time that he wasn't gonna be there. TRACK01: Apparently for maybe an hour before Billy Evans got there. Or he was gonna have some time that he wasn't gonna be there. TRACK04: And it there's a shot before he goes into the prison TRACK01: And there's a shot before he goes into the prison TRACK04: of him writing something on his arm. Nathan I think I think is the way through all his television stuff, he always wears kind of like long sleeve turtlenecks. So it's not unusual. And when you go into a prison you're not supposed to take all sorts of recording devices or anything. So he wears a black long sleeve turtleneck. So to anyone, unless they for some reason would make him strip which they don't TRACK01: him writing something on his arm. Yep. Nathan I think I think is the way through all his television stuff, he always wears long sleeve turtlenecks. It's not unusual. And when you go into a prison you're not supposed to take all sorts of recording devices or anything. So he wears a black long sleeve turtleneck. So to anyone, unless they for some reason would make him strip which they don't, strip search on it, they wouldn't know that he has all this stuff written on his arm. And it was like starting at his wrist. Yeah. Going all the way down TRACK04: strip search went, they wouldn't know that he has all this stuff written on his arm. And it was like starting at his wrist and going all the way down. Like it would look TRACK01: I don't know, novel. And they never address Yeah. But the fact that they showed it all I can TRACK04: like I don't know, like a novel. And they never addressed that. But the fact that they showed it bothered me. TRACK01: imagine from that, and again, I I'm not I'm not trying to justify your answer for the directors on any of this. The way I took it is Nathan is someone that, yes, he's always mentally kind of prepared for what he wants to do. And it might have been questions or notes or points, just TRACK04: Answer for the directors on any of this. The way I took it is Nathan is someone that yes, he's always mentally prepared for what he wants to do. And it might have been questions or notes. Just simple something that seemed question. I can't take a laptop. It was like, wait, is he but you know which yeah I will I will give it TRACK01: Because he's Well, I can't take anything in, I can't record anything, so I might as well do this. That's how I took it. I mean it's just so elusive. was like, wait, is he Well, there's a lot of elusiveness in the film, which I will I will give it credit for this. You asking these questions. And there's a lot of people online asking a lot of these similar questions about the film. And I love the fact that this film is making people ask questions. That is always a good thing. I'm never gonna fault a film. TRACK04: For this, you asking these questions, and then there's a lot of people online asking a lot of these similar questions about the film. And I love the fact that this film is making people ask questions. That is always a good thing. And I'm never gonna fault a film that leads to discussions and people wanting to know why why was that shot included and what did that mean? And I love it. I think that's amazing. So yes, the fact that there are questions and you clearly you like this film, but you've still got some things that are like, what was that about and what's that? TRACK01: That leads to discussions and people want to know why why was that shot included and what did that mean? And I love it. I think that's amazing. So yes, the fact that there are questions and you clearly you like this film, but you've still got some things where like, what was that about and what's that? Is awesome. I think that's really, really cool. Were there any other questions, things, items out there for you? before I flip to some some positives on my end? no. I will say this is the TRACK04: It's awesome. I think that's really, really cool. Were there any other questions, things, items out there for you? before I flip to some some positives on my end? no. Go go for it. I will say this is the best looking documentary I've ever seen. In that I'm fascinated by the fact that the the shots of people during these conversations so TRACK01: best looking documentary I've ever seen and that I'm fascinated by the fact that the the shots of people during these conversations so look so good and are so intimate to think that they're in a house where you have at least I mean I gotta say at least four to five people in a crew behind you. I gotta be at least that TRACK04: look so good and are so intimate with to think that they're in a house where you have at least I gotta say at least four to five people in a crew behind you. gotta be at least that I would think so at least two cameras going these conversations I would think so yeah. my gosh and to like still have these these kind of conversations with the camera so close and tight it really made you as a viewer feel like yeah you're I'm sitting here listening to them. Yeah I'm part of this. TRACK01: There are definitely at least two cameras going on these conversations. It's like, my gosh. And to still have these these kind of conversations with the camera so close and tight, it really made you as a viewer feel like, Yeah, you're I'm sitting here listening to them. I am a part of this. And I love the look and the production quality of everything we saw. TRACK04: And I love the look and the production quality of everything we saw. TRACK01: So I'm very, very positive on that. So just for a second, I want two to continu both 'cause you mentioned the house and the camera. So TRACK04: just for a second, I wanted to to continue, but 'cause you mentioned the house and the camera. So something that wasn't a twist, but for me was a twist because it's just and it's it's my fault. It's an assumption I made that they were interviewing Elizabeth and Billy in their house. Yeah. And then we come to find out, nope, it was just an Airbnb that was rented and so it's like, no. So that actually makes it easier for them to have camera setups and all this kind of stuff because they can do all this stuff. TRACK01: Something that wasn't a twist, but for me it was a twist because it's just and it's it's my fault. There's an assumption I made that they were interviewing Elizabeth and Billy in their house. Yeah. And then we come to find out, nope, there's just an Airbnb. Yeah. It's like no. So that actually made it easier for them to have cameras set up. sure, they can do all this stuff. But yeah, you're just like, and that kinda blew my mind away. I'm like, Well, dummy, they never said it was there. Yeah. Yeah, they never did. Yeah. TRACK04: But yeah, you're just like, and that kinda blew my mind away. I'm like, Well, dummy, they never said it was their house. So So okay, yeah. TRACK01: I was actually kinda surprised 'cause it wasn't really the nicest house necessarily. And I kinda thought, well, you Yeah. Well well that's true. So it does have that. So yeah, production TRACK04: It was beachfront, apparently, but yeah. Right. So yeah, production. TRACK01: wise I thought was fascinating. And, you know, I just love the idea that there are people in a film crew tucked in the corners of these rooms or in these spaces and filming this stuff. And you still got everybody to be, at least in that first half, as authentic as I felt like everybody w was TRACK04: I just love the idea that there are people in a film crew tucked in the corners of these rooms or these spaces and filming this stuff and you still got everybody to be, at least in that first half, as authentic as I felt like everybody w was wanting to be or was intending to be. Again, not saying whether they truly were authentic or not, but at least what they wanted to present to the camera, they were still very able to do that even with this TRACK01: wanting to be or was intending to be. Again, not saying whether they truly were authentic or not, but at least what they wanted to present to the camera, they were still very able to do that even with this proximity that they were dealing with with the film crew and just the production quality of everything we saw. So yeah, really good. And I will say this, even though I'm faulting the second half of the film, I want to believe Amanda Seyfried, Seafried TRACK04: proximity that they were dealing with with the film crew and just the production quality of everything we saw. So yeah, really good. And I will say this, even though I'm faulting the second half of the film, I want to believe Amanda Seifried, Seafried Seifried, I want to believe she was authentic herself in the second half of the film. Even if I question whether how much Nathan and anybody else TRACK01: Cyfreed, whichever it may be. I want to believe she was authentic herself in the second half of the film. Even if I question whether how much Nathan and anybody else was, I do feel like she was authentic and that she was very open about her portrayal of Elizabeth. The fact that she got kind of offended when Elizabeth questioned her portrayal. Nathan mentioned TRACK04: She was very open about her portrayal as of Elizabeth. The fact that she got offended when Elizabeth questioned her portrayal. When Nathan mentioned questions that yeah, yeah, she had had to that seemed to be authentic. I felt like she was. And and I TRACK01: Yeah. And it's like she kinda took it very personally and it kinda got offended. I f I felt like she was. And and I admired that. I admired her for being a part of this film and actually letting the film kinda it it put it had some moments where it kinda put her in a little bit in negative light. When they got in the car after having the dinner with Billy or whatever, and she's just like I just wanna get this guy, whatever. It's like it just sounded so it sounded kinda petty and it sounded very vindictive, almost like, Well, Elizabeth TRACK04: It had some moments where it kinda put her a little down. It didn't mind. When they got in the car after having the dinner with Billy or whatever, and she's just like, I just want to get this guy, whatever. It's like it just sounded so it sounded kinda petty and it sounded very vindictive, almost like, Well, Elizabeth knocked me down my performance and then Billy's acting weird. So yes. Billy was like TRACK01: knocked me down my performance and then Billy's acting weird. So yes, there's gotta be something wrong. TRACK04: slamming her like you're nothing but a vapid actress. You don't know anything. I just like I'm sorry. Yeah, so just letting her kinda get knocked down a couple of pegs and I thought TRACK01: Yeah. Right, in the show so it just yeah, so just letting her kinda get knocked down a couple of pegs and I thought I just felt like she was real. So I'm giving props to Amanda Cyfrey. I I think she she was the only one in the second half of the film that I'm like, No, I feel like I'm totally seeing who she like how she is and how she's being. and it's weird because she's the only one who's truly an actress. You know, the other ones are real people, but yet I didn't believe any of them in the second half of the film before I believed her. TRACK04: So I I'm giving props to Amanda Cyfri. I I think she she was the only one in the second half of the film that I'm like not feeling like I'm totally seeing how she like how she is she's banged. Right. it's weird because she's the only one who's truly an actress. You know, the other ones aren't real people, but yet I didn't believe any of them in the second half of the film for I believe her as an actress. Anyway, so Yeah, there's so much going on. I I think look TRACK01: As an actress. Anyway, so anyway. That's that's my that's my prose. I I think look, I'm gonna ultimately say I think this film is a fascinating I keep saying using the word fascinating 'cause it's the best word I can do. Fascinating to me doesn't mean I thought it was great. Fascinating means it is something to watch and it is something to absorb and it's something to talk about. And it absolutely is. There's no doubt about it. I think everybody should see this and I think everybody should get in a room afterwards and they should talk about it. That is what this is meant to do. TRACK04: I'm gonna ultimately say I think this film is a fascinating I keep saying using the word fascinating 'cause that's where I can get fascinating to me doesn't mean I thought it was great. Fascinating means it is something to watch and it is something to absorb and it's something to talk about. And it absolutely is. There's no doubt about it. I think everybody should see this and I think everybody should get in a room afterwards and they should talk about it. That is what this is meant to do. I personally don't feel like at the end, by the end it worked. TRACK01: I personally don't feel like at the end, by the end, it worked. TRACK04: Mm. I don't feel like it delivered on what I wanted or what the promise was of it delivering in the first half. I don't feel like it got there for me. And I felt like I was watching a bit too manipulation from a narrative standpoint in the second half. That was just that. But I still think this is a fascinating watch that everybody should see. And so yeah. I think in the history of this podcast, I can't TRACK01: I don't feel like it delivered on what I wanted or what the promise was of it delivering in the first half. I don't feel like it got there for me. And I felt like I was watching a bit too manipulation from a narrative standpoint in the second half. That was just that. But I still think this is a fascinating watch that everybody should see. And so yeah. I think in the history of this podcast I can't remember TRACK04: remember how many episodes you said we had made. it was like four hundred. Okay. I know TRACK01: It was four hundred or three hundred. I don't know. It was a really big number. But I'm gonna say this if it's not the longest we've ever talked about because this is raw recording time, can see it's like we've for my gosh, we have talked for we've talked well, yeah. Maybe f maybe forty. Right. But yeah, still. I mean and usually like Whew Yeah. So that I think that's No, but maybe it was a really long movie too. TRACK04: I'm gonna say this if it's not the longest we've ever talked about a film, it's gonna run up because this is raw recording time, but I can see it's like we've talked for roughly about fifty minutes. Well, yeah. But I mean we have a you know, so still I mean and usually like w yeah. So that I think that's impressive. It TRACK01: So, our our conversation TRACK04: won't a hard conversation. TRACK01: is kind of scaled by the length of the duration. Well, and just again, you gotta talk about this film. I mean, I can't imagine that was my only regret going to see it. I went to go see it at a earlier last the previous TRACK04: You do. I I can't imagine. That was my only regret going to see it. I went to go see it at a earlier last the previous TRACK01: week, drive to a place to see it 'cause it hadn't come to our hometown yet. And my one regret, even though I love seeing it early on TRACK04: Right. And my one regret, even though I love seeing it early on. TRACK01: so I could form some opinions and kind of not get Too too spoiled by other people's thoughts online and other reviews. The only drawback is I walked out of the theater and I had nobody to talk to about it. I'm just like, mmm. It was like I want to call somebody and like talk. And like nobody else has seen this film. So I'm like, I don't know where to go with this. And so that that was the only frustration about seeing it earlier. I wanted to talk so desperately about this movie. I want to take people I know to go see it like in the coming weeks. I'm like, come on. TRACK04: too too spoiled by other people's thoughts online and other reviews. The only drawback is I walked out of the theater and I had nobody to talk to. Sure. I'm just like it was like I want to call somebody and like talk. I'm like, nobody else has seen this film. So I'm like, I don't know where to go with this. And so that that was the only frustration about Sarah. Yeah. I wanted to talk so desperately about this movie. Under understandable. I want to take people I know to go see it the coming weeks. I'm like, come on. Let's go see. TRACK01: Please, TRACK04: Please let's talk about this movie. So two closing things. First is yeah, the crowd that I was impressed because I did go see it, locally. I was at 'cause it did open this past weekend. I was able to go see it with a at the theater here and the crowd I have seen documentary in the theater before, but never with a crowd this big. It wasn't sold out. Yeah. But I mean there were, you know, forty or so people. Impressive. And to see North Carolina adopted TRACK01: let's talk about this movie. So yeah. So two closing things first is yeah, the crowd that I was impressed because I did go see it, you know, locally, I was it 'cause it did open this past weekend and was able to go see it with at the theater here and the crowd I have seen documentary in the theater before but never with a crowd this big. It wasn't sold out. Yeah. But I mean there were, you know, forty or so That's still impressive. Hickory, North Carolina a document a three hour long documentary. TRACK04: Yes. And I was like, Wow, there are this many people here or that's incor and it added to the experience because this is not a comedy, people. This is a documentary. However, there are some funny things in there and you know, with Nathan Fielder, I guess you kind of expect it. So those laughs I would laugh or chuckle, other people would chuckle, but then the times that sometimes I would laugh or other people would laugh, it's like, Huh TRACK01: I'm sorry, that's crazy. And it added to the experience because this is not a comedy people. This is a documentary. However, there are some funny things in there. Yeah. And it would make you better, I guess expect it. So those laughs I would laugh or chuckle, other people would chuckle. But then the times that sometimes I would laugh or other people would laugh, it's like, huh. TRACK04: interesting. And it was during some of the cat and mouse stuff or TRACK01: Interesting. And it was during some of the cat and mouse stuff. yeah. Some of the things specifically that Holmes would say or that or that Billy and it was just like wow and it was fun to hear that in an audience and like why of course we always talk about how going in a theater, but seeing a three hour documentary in a theater with other people that were equally as interested was was fun. Yeah. I I am so happy this movie is making getting a lot of tickets sold. TRACK04: some of the things specifically that Holmes would say or that, or that Billy and it was just like wow. And it was fun to hear that in an audience and why, of course, we always talk about how going in theater, but seeing a three hour documentary in a theater with other people that were equally as interested was was fun. So yeah. I I am so happy this movie is making getting a lot of tickets sold. Yeah. I'm happy a lot of people are are responding to it. It bodes well for really TRACK01: I'm happy a lot of people are are responding to it. It bodes well for really good, interesting documentaries that can find audiences outside of just streaming on Netflix or whatever. So that's that's encouraging. And and again, I do appreciate Nathan Filter quite a bit. I and I am still anxiously wanting to see what other projects he's working on, what what's coming out. I and that's all great. I yeah, it just it just it just TRACK04: good interesting documentaries that can find audiences outside of just streaming on Netflix or whatever. So that's that's encouraging. And and again, I do appreciate Nathan Philter quite a bit. I and I am still anxiously wanting to see what other projects he's working on, what what's coming up. I that's all great. I I it just it just it just yeah I I've already said my page I'm still again using the F word TRACK01: Yeah, I I've already said my piece on the film. Yeah, it's just I'm still again, using the F word, fascinating to describe. I'm still fascinated by this film. I just yeah. go what else you got? Anything else? Last thing I'll say. Yep. And this may see if we can talk for an hour about this movie, so that's fine. Last thing I'll say is that this may sound like an odd comment. And I think it is, but TRACK04: I'm still fascinated by this film. Sure. I just yeah. I what else you got? And this may sound like we can talk for an hour. Yeah, sure. well yeah, I'll try to stretch this out. last thing I'll say is that this may sound like an odd comment. And I think it is, but just how my mind works. I left the film regretting that Fielder will never have a chance to interview Charles Manson. But TRACK01: Hm. But it's not too late. TRACK04: It's not too late for a round with President Trump. And the reason I say that is because of his he's a fascinating interviewer because of how he can ask questions and let people say things and push buttons yet remain seemingly. We know it's edited, so I don't know if he ever did lose his cool or whatever. But just yeah, I think he's a fascinating interviewer, which I would not include among TRACK01: boy. And the reason I say that is because of his he's a fascinating interviewer because of how he can ask questions and let people say things and push buttons yet remain seemingly we know, it's edited so I don't know if he ever did lose his cool or whatever. But just yeah, I think he's a fascinating interviewer, which I would not include among TRACK04: what I thought about Nathan Fielder prior prior to this. Comedian, make some funny shows or whatever. TRACK01: what I thought about Nathan Fielder prior prior to this comedian, makes some funny shows or whatever, does some interesting ideas. But yeah, interviewer. Yeah. Well, even in his his T V work, I think the things that are always the most fascinating on those is when he is talking to someone and again, you as a viewer, you know Nathan Fielder, so you're like, Okay, I c I know this guy's going to say things to push buttons or to say things to try to catch people and what they're how dri you know. TRACK04: Does some interesting ideas. But yeah, interviewer. Yeah. Well even in his T V work. I think the things that are always the most fascinating on those is when he is talking to someone, and again, you as a viewer, Nathan Fielder, so you're like, Okay, I c I know this guy's going to say things to push buttons or to say things to try to catch people and what they're how they're And y in the person he's talking to, in most of the cases in his T V work it was TRACK01: And y in the person he's talking to, in most of the cases in his T V work, it was real people that he has somehow gotten got him down a path that, you know, where he wants them to go and but he's willing to let TRACK04: real people right that he has somehow gotten got him down a path that, you know, where he wants them to go and but he's willing to let TRACK01: them kind of let themselves you know, hang themselves and get there. so yes, it's fascinating those interviews. That's always the th the elements of his shows I like the most. Again, why I love the first half of this film, because that's all it was, was him TRACK04: themselves hang themselves to get there. so yes, it's fascinating those interviews. That's always the the elements of his shows I like the most. Again, why I love the first half of this film, because that's all it was, was him asking questions. Okay, well tell me tell me this. What did you mean by this? And and how it's like just the way he was able to get those dialogues going. I'm like, Yes, I am loving this. This is exactly it. so yeah. no, I I agree. I'd love to see him do TRACK01: Asking questions. Okay, well tell me tell me this. What do you mean by this? And and how and it's like just the way he was able to get those dialogues going. I'm like, Yes, I am loving this. This is exactly it. so yeah. no, I I agree. I'd love to see him do more exploratory interviews. If I could have more content like the first half of this movie from a lot of big, like and really interesting characters in our society, I'm like, that would be awesome. It would be really would be good. Yeah. TRACK04: more exploratory interviews. If I could have more content like the first half of this movie from a lot of big really interesting characters in our society, I'm like, that would be awesome. That would be really would be good. Yeah. TRACK01: Okay, well that is you can see everything. Did we see everything? That's a good question. I don't know. Something to talk about TRACK04: Okay. Well that is you can see everything. Did we see everything? That's a good question. I don't know. Something to talk about. TRACK01: after you see the movie. You can see everything. It is a three hour long documentary, just a little heads up for anybody who decides to go out and see it. Block off a little more time on your calendar to do so. But Chris and I are both saying, no, look, it is a interesting, fascinating watch. Should see it. Your mileage may vary on TRACK04: You can see everything. It is a three hour long documentary, just a little heads up for anybody who decides to go out and see it. Block off a little more time on your calendar to do so. But Chris and I are both saying, no, look, it is a interesting, fascinating watch. Should see it. Your mileage may vary on does it work for you at the end of the day, or is it just a great conversation starter? Who knows? I I think there's gonna be so many different takes on this for sure. So TRACK01: Does it work for you at the end of the day, or is it just a great conversation starter? Who knows? I I think there's gonna be so many different takes on this for sure. So all right. Whew, yeah, TRACK04: Yeah, we almost hit an hour. Maybe fifty minutes. TRACK01: we almost hit an hour. Maybe 50 minutes. Boy, okay. A lot to talk about. All right, let's take a quick break because I've been drinking coffee and I need a break really quick. and when we come back, we've got a couple of news items. We got a well, one news item, we got a couple trailers and Chris's recommendation to get into. So stay tuned. TRACK04: a lot to talk about. All right, let's take a quick break because I've been drinking coffee and I need a break really quick. Fair enough. and when we come back we've got a couple of news items. We got a well one news item, we got a couple trailers and Chris's recommendation to get into. So stay tuned. You're listening to Foot Candle Films. We'll be right back. TRACK01: You're listening to Foot Candle Films, we'll be right back. Welcome back to Foot Candle Films here on the Mesh dot T V podcast network. whew, yeah, I definitely needed that break after that long conversation about you can see everything. But Chris, let's go on and talk about some upcoming movie news or things that have caught our attention. One news item and then a couple of trailers specifically. I think this story is really interesting, but unfortunately it is couched with some level of of unfortunately some some TRACK04: Welcome back to Foot Candle Films here on the Mesh dot T V podcast network. Ugh, yeah, I definitely needed that break after that long conversation about you can see everything. But Chris, let's go on and talk about some upcoming movie news or things that have caught our attention. One news item and then a couple of trailers specifically. Okay. I think this story is really interesting, but unfortunately it is couched with some level of of unfortunately from some TRACK01: Some sadness. The Batman Part Two. That is a film that that would be the Robert Pattinson starring sequel to the Batman. Matt Reeves was the director of the first one. And on s on on the credit list as the director for the second one, Batman Part Two. It's been a really long time in production, like it'd been delayed, it's been you know, i I don't remember when that first Batman movie came out, the Matt Reeves one, but it was it was a good while back. TRACK04: Sadness. the Batman Part Two. Yes. That is a film that that would be the Robert Pattinson starring sequel to The Batman. Okay. Matt Reeves was the director of the first one. And on on on the credit list as the director for the second one, Batman Part Two. It's been a really long time in production, like it's been delayed, it's been you know, i I don't remember when that first Batman movie came out, the Matt Reeves one, but it was it was a good while back. TRACK01: And so it's been a longer time than usual to see a sequel to a successful film, especially in a franchise like this happen. Well, unfortunately there was some news that director Matt Reeves has had to step away from production to attend to an ongoing family matter. Now, obviously, you know, thoughts out to the Reeves family and anything going on. I never like to hear about, you know, anything happening that causes people to have to kinda TRACK04: And so it's been a longer time than usual to see a sequel to a successful film, especially in a franchise like this happen. Well, unfortunately there was some news that director Matt Reeves has had to step away from production to attend to an ongoing family matter. no. Yeah. Obviously, you know, thoughts out to the Reeves family and anything going on. I never like to hear about you know, anything happening that causes people to have to kinda TRACK01: stop their work and obviously tend to something that obviously means a lot more in the grand scheme of things. So totally get that. So he stepped away from production. That was announced a couple weeks ago and that was a little bit of questions of okay, well what's that going to mean now for the film and it's already been taking a while to come sure. It already has. Well, they announced just last week they've got a replacement to cover the final weeks of principal photography TRACK04: stop their work and obviously tend to something that obviously means a lot more in the grand scheme of things. So really get that. So he stepped away from production. That was announced a couple of weeks ago and you know that was a little bit of questions, okay, well what's that gonna mean now for the film and That's already been taking a while to kinda sure. It already has. Well, they announced just last week they've got a replacement to cover the final weeks of principal photography. TRACK01: on the Batman part two. Steven Soderberg jumping in TRACK04: Steven Soderberg is jumping in to handle the final weeks of principal photography for the Batman Part 2. Soderberg will communicate with Reeves regularly throughout filming, keeping the Batman director involved until he returns to take over post-production duties when he becomes available again. So basically, Steven Soderberg coming in as a pinch hitter on the director side to help finish this project out. Now that TRACK01: To handle the final weeks of principal photography for the Batman part two. Soderberg will communicate with Reeves regularly throughout filming, keeping the Batman director involved until he returns to take over post-production duties when he becomes available again. So basically Steven Soderberg coming as a pinch hitter on the director side to help finish this project out. Now that I think that's I think that's really cool. And you know, A TRACK04: I think that's That's fascinating really cool. Yeah. And A, I know this is not gonna be a Steven Soderbergh film at the end of the day, it's still a Matt Reeves film. Matt Reeves will have directed the vast majority of it. Sure. And even the stuff that Soderbergh's gonna direct, it sounds like it's still kind of under Reeves purview. So it's not like Soderbergh's just gonna go off and make a superhero movie. But the fact that Stephen Soderberg actually filming some parts of the Batman. Sure. I'm like TRACK01: I know this is not gonna be a Steven Soderbergh film at the end the day. It's still a Matt Reeves film. Matt Reeves will have directed the vast majority of it. And even the stuff that Soderbergh's gonna direct, it sounds like it's still under Reeves purview. So it's not like Soderbergh's just gonna go off and make a superhero movie. But the fact that Steven Soderberg actually filming some parts of The Batman, I'm like, that's pretty cool. And if nothing else, I love the idea that Steven Soderbergh TRACK04: Pretty cool. And if nothing else, I love the idea that Steven Soderbergh, yes, he does strike me as the kind of director of like, you need me to just go in for a few weeks and go pinch it for somebody to shoot this super superhero thing? Yeah, sure, let me do it. And it's like I love that collaborative right style and nature of this whole thing. Well and he's a director, but Soderbergh's also a cinematographer. Yeah. So he like yeah, he can TRACK01: Yes, he does strike me as the kind of director of like, you need me to just go in for a few weeks and go pinch it for somebody to shoot this super superhero thing? Yeah, sure, let me do it. And it's like I love that collaborative style and nature of this whole thing. So anyway. Yeah. So he yeah, he can take direction from that reason, be like, Yeah, TRACK04: take direction from that reason, be like, Yeah, got it, know what you want and he can shoot things and I'm sure he gets to look at all the previously shot footage. He's Yep, I see the look you're going for. TRACK01: got it, know what you want. You can shoot things, and I'm sure he gets to look at all the previously shot footage. He's like, Yep, I see the look you're going for. TRACK04: I see this, this and this. Got you. And he's had such a long and storied career and done so many different styles. black book versus presence or black bag. Black bag versus presence that we just had just recently. those two films, totally different. One's a spy thing, one's a ghost story. yeah, he can TRACK01: see this, this and this, got you. And he's had such a long and story career and done different styles. I mean, Black Book versus Presence or Black Bag. Black Bagbag presents that we just had just recently. those two films, totally different. One's a spy thing, one's a ghost story. Yeah, yeah. He can he did the Oceans Eleven's movie, big budget movies with bunches of stars out there. Yeah. Yeah, I feel he can take a style that's been established and be like, Got it, I'm going to do it now. TRACK04: He did the Ocean's Eleven's movie, big budget movies, a bunches of stars out vacuum. Yeah, I feel he can take a style that's been established and be like, got it, I'm going to do it now. TRACK01: Yeah. Yeah, that is sad, but cool that the project doesn't just, you know, wither away on the time. So yeah, that's yeah, Soderbergh had a release or statement he put out saying he's you know, I thought Matt Reeves' work on the Batman was stunning. It was intentional, specific, and rigorously coherent. TRACK04: Yeah, so that that is sad, but cool that the project doesn't just, wither away on the vine. So yeah, that's fascinating. Yeah, Soderbergh had a release or statement he put out saying he's yeah, I thought Matt Reeves' work on the Batman was stunning. It was intentional, specific, and rigorously coherent. TRACK01: The goal here is to work with Matt and his team to generate footage that will integrate seamlessly with what's already been shot so Matt can properly finish his film. And then TRACK04: Goal here is to work with Matt and his team to generate footage that will integrate seamlessly with what's already been shot so Matt can properly finish his film. And if anybody could do it, I I think he could. And the DC studios have put out a statement saying, hey, as Matt Reeves continues to attend to an ongoing family matter, Soderbergh as an admirer of Matt's work approached Matt and will step in to help the writer-director complete the final weeks of principal photography. Matt and Steven will work closely together with the actors and crew. TRACK01: I think that was a perfect fit. It's like and then DC Studios says put out a statement saying, Hey, as Matt Reeves continues to attend to an ongoing family matter, Soderbergh as an admirer of Matt's work approached Matt and will step in to help the writer director complete the final weeks of principal photography. Matt and Steven will work closely together with the actors and crew to fulfill Matt's vision for the film. he's Soderberg tapped to st to come in TRACK04: to fulfill Matt's vision for the film. he's Soderberg tapped to s to come in barely a week after D C Studios kinda halted production because of Reeves having to to attend to to his personal matters. Wow. It said yeah, right before they announced Soderberg jumping in. It said the production on Batman Part two has been temporarily paused while Matt Reeves focuses on Family Matter. Matt has the full support of D C Studios and we look forward to continuing the journey soon. So I TRACK01: Barely a week after DC Studios kinda halted production because of Reeves having to to attend to to into his personal matters. it said, yeah, right before they announced Soderberg jumping in, it said the production on Batman Part Two has been temporarily paused while Matt Reeves focuses on a family matter. Matt has the full support of DC Studios and we look forward to continuing the journey soon. So I although yes, it's rooted in a a whatever may be happening personally, which we're obviously very concerned about. TRACK04: Although yes, it's rooted in a a whatever may be happening personally, which we're obviously very concerned about for Matt Reeves. Sure. I love everything else about this story in that not only is the studio saying, Hey look, we're on board with this guy. Right. Yes, he's well having to walk away, but we're you know, we're gonna continue this project with him. And then a soda bird stepping up and be like, Hey, I can I can help. Cool. Let's work together, let's get this thing going. I love everything else about this story. So I think it's I think it's really neat. Yeah. TRACK01: for Matt Reeves. I love everything else about this story in that not only is the studio saying, Hey, look, we're on board with this guy. Yes, he's well having to walk away, but we're you know, we're gonna continue this project with him. And then a Soderbergh stepping up and being like, Hey, I can I can help. Cool. Let's work together. Let's get this thing going. I love everything else about this story. So I think it's I think it's really neat. So all TRACK04: Yeah. Wow. I have no idea what the release date. I mean, they have a date technically TRACK01: right. I have no idea what the release date. I mean they have a date technically TRACK04: slated for February eighteenth, twenty twenty eight. Okay. So I mean it's still a year and a half away. Right. Right, which given everything, yeah, seems about seems about what they do. Yeah. Okay. And just as a reminder too, this thing Robert Pattinson's gonna be still TRACK01: slated for February eighteenth, twenty twenty eight. Okay. So it's still a year and a half away. Right. close to that. Giving everything, yeah, it seems about seems about what they do. Yeah. And just as a reminder too, this Robert Pattinson's gonna be still Batman or Bruce Wayne. we've got Andy Circus is back as Alfred. You know, Colin Farrell is gonna be in there as the penguin like he was. TRACK04: Okay. Colin Farrell is gonna be in there as the Penguin. Like he was. But is we're also gonna have Sebastian Stan starring as Harvey Dent. Hm. Scarlett Johansson as Harvey's wife, Hilda Dent, and Charles Dance as his father, Charles Dent. So a lot of Dents and Batman part two. Okay. Of course Harvey Dent. So seemingly a two face thing. Okay. Or at least or at least whatever this iteration of a two faced thing is. Right, right. TRACK01: But is we're also gonna have Sebastian Stan starring as Harvey Dent, Scarlett Johansson as Harvey's wife, Gilda Dent, and Charles Dance as his father, Charles Dent. So a lot of dents in the Batman part two. Okay. Of course Harvey Dent is two f two face. Two face. Okay. Or at least or at least whatever this iteration of a two face looks like, 'cause Penguin also looked very different. Was Harvey Dent mentioned in the first The Batman? I don't remember it. So yeah. TRACK04: Was Harvey Dent mentioned in the first The Batman? I don't remember it. Okay, 'cause the the tease was that there was a Joker esque character at the end of that one, right? Or in an adjacent cell to the Riddler. Okay. But I'm I'm also happy they're TRACK01: Jason Cells Riddler. Right. But I'm I'm also happy they're they don't appear to be going that route, which is good. I think, the Joker. He's had his screen time. He's definitely had his screen time. I don't think we need to push it too hard on that. So anyway. All right. So we will see if they can still make the February eighteenth, twenty twenty eight date. But regardless, wishing the best for Matt Reeves and whatever his family may be going through. TRACK04: Yeah, the Joker He's had his screen time. He's definitely had his screen time, but push it too hard. Sure. So anyway. All right. So we will see if they can still make the February eighteenth, twenty twenty eight date. But regardless, wishing the best for Matt Reeves and whatever his family may be going through TRACK01: And just happy to hear the collaborative spirit of the filmmaking world still making things happen. So it's very cool. TRACK04: and just happy to hear of the collaborative spirit of the filmmaking world. Still making things happen. So it's very cool. TRACK01: All right, Chris, we have a couple of trailers that you brought up. We've neither one of us have seen either of these trailers, but they just sounded like interesting film projects. So let's dig into them a little bit. there's one in particular called a film called Tangles. It's an animated film that the trailer just came out for. it is produced by Seth Rogan. TRACK04: Alright, Chris, we have a couple of trailers that you brought up. We've neither one of us have seen either of these trailers, but they just sounded like interesting film projects. So let's dig into them a little bit. there's one in particular called a film called Tangles. It's an animated film that the trailer just came out for. it is produced by Seth Rogan and Larne Miller Rogan. TRACK01: And Lauren Miller Rogan. it's an adaptation of Sarah Leavitt's memoir about her mother's early onset dimension. It's directed by Lee Nelson and has voices by Julie Louise Dreyfus, Brian Cranston, and some others kind of in in key roles in this film. So yeah, this is the first I'm hearing about it. You brought it up right before we recorded. So we're going to take a look here at the teaser trailer for the animated film Tangles. TRACK04: it's an adaptation of Sarah Liebe's memoir about her mother's early onset dimension. It's directed by Lee Nelson and has voices by Julie Louise Dreyfus, Brian Cranston, and some others kind of in key roles in this film. so yeah, this is the first time hearing about it. You brought it up right before we recorded it. So we're gonna take a look here at the teaser trailer for the animated film Tangles. TRACK01: Okay, so that is the teaser trailer for the film Tangles. Chris, any immediate reaction? TRACK04: Okay. So that is the teaser trailer for the film Tangles. Chris, any immediate reaction? Yeah, it's interesting to see when a film that is clearly for adults, this is rated R, chooses to go the animated route. the animation in it reminds me of the and the name is just Marianne Setrapi or whatever, Persepolis. right. It looks a lot you know, it reminds me a lot TRACK01: right. TRACK04: of that. I'm interested to see it just because this is obviously a heavy film, but what was the decision to make it animated as opposed to just doing a out and out narrative film? but I think maybe I'm I'm not sure, but it just looks like interesting things that you can do with animation that you can't do with like actors or whatever. so I'm I'm curious. the talents involved also have me looking forward to it. Of course, one of the TRACK01: interesting to see it just because this is obviously a heavy film, but what was the decision to make it animated as opposed to just doing a out and out narrative film? but I think maybe I'm I'm not sure, but it just looks like interesting things that you can do with animation that you can't do with like actors or whatever. so I'm I'm curious. the talents involved also have me looking forward to it. Of course one of the TRACK04: This being a audio podcast, you did not see this, but they say one of the best film animated films of the decade or something. So okay. But I'm looking forward to it. It looks definitely unique. Right. Right. TRACK01: being a audio podcast. You did not see this, but they say one of the best film animated films of the decade or something. So okay. But I'm I'm looking forward to it. It's definitely unique. Because trailers, you can always believe everything said on tra I'm sorry. I'm in you can see everything mode from the first half, so still questioning everything. yeah, no i I look this looks good. And I am curious too that the the the choice of animation as the style, but I love it. And I think maybe it can TRACK04: Sure. Sure. yeah, no, it I look, this looks good. And I am curious too, the the the the choice of animation as style, but I love it. And I think maybe it can I think you can there seem to be some creative moments kind of with perception or from the narrative standpoint, kind of that maybe would have been a little harder to pull off and live action or might not be quite as resonant in a live action format where animated kind of TRACK01: I think you can there seem to be some creative moments with perception or from the narrative standpoint, that maybe would have been a little harder to pull off as live action or might not be quite as resonant in a live action format where animated can really play up those those those sides of it. So I don't know. And I appreciate the fact that we've alluded to the subject matter mother coming down with all this. TRACK04: And I and I appreciate the fact that we've alluded to the subject matter mother coming down with Alzheimer's and you're like, that's the last thing I want to see because it's just gonna we know it's gonna be heavy, but there does seem to be, at least from the trailer, some attempts at humor. So that's they try to make it as, you know, palatable as possible by trying to provide some levity. And I think maybe that's where the animation comes is is by doing certain things that makes it, you know, yeah. So we'll we'll see. TRACK01: thing I want to see. Yeah. Because it's just g we know it's gonna be heavy, but there does seem to be, at least from the trailer, some attempts at humor. So they try to make it as, powerful as possible by trying to provide some levity. And I think maybe that's where the animation comes, is is doing things that Very well could be cool. Thank you TRACK04: Tangles. cool. Thank you. TRACK01: for bringing that trailer to our attention. Good to see that. okay Chris, I'm gonna make a programming change. TRACK04: okay Chris, I'm gonna make a programming change. Okay. Well, okay, here's the here's the background. So Chris brought up brought to our attention a a second trailer to watch. Yes. the new film from Jeremy S Jeremy Solinery called Slay Ground. Yes and as I'm looking at the still frame image right before you play the trailer of a creepy, very, very disturbing looking scarecrow. Okay. TRACK01: Well, okay, here's the here's the background. So Chris brought up brought to our attention a a second trailer to watch. the new film from Jeremy S Jeremy Soliner called Slay Ground. And as I'm looking at the still frame image right before you play the trailer of a creepy, very, very disturbing looking scarecrow. Okay. I kinda don't wanna watch this. Fair enough. of his previous No no. I I found but this one does appear to be like a true horror film. I'm like TRACK04: Fair enough. I I like all of his previous films. I I thought that one doesn't look like a But it is it does look like a horror movie. Yeah yeah it wouldn't surprise me. It is called Slayground. So you know Yeah. So we'll get around to it at some point. Fair enough. It doesn't come out till January, so we got little time there. Yeah. But I'm gonna give you a as a makeup because you did do the diligent work of bringing it to my attention and I appreciate it. but gonna give you the choice then. Okay. There are two other trailers I would like to TRACK01: Okay. Yeah. So we'll get around to it at some point. Fair enough. It doesn't come out till January, so we got a little time there. But I'm gonna give you a as a makeup, because Chris, you did do the diligent work of bringing that to my attention and I appreciate it. But I'm gonna give you the choice then. Okay. There are two other trailers I would like to present to you and you get to choose which one we're gonna watch and talk about. And you may have seen one of them already. so here are your two choices. TRACK04: present to you and you can choose which one we're gonna watch and talk about. Sure. And you may have seen one of them already. so you can see the matchbox maybe? No. Okay. your choices are either we can watch the trailer for the best pancakes in the county, which is an action thriller starring a Mr. Nicholas Cage. Okay. Okay. Which I have not seen this trailer yet, so I've just read about the film. That's one option. Okay. TRACK01: no, we're not gonna talk about the Matchbox movie. your choices are either we can watch the trailer for the best pancakes in the county, which is an action thriller starring a Mr. Nicholas Cage. Okay. Okay. Which I have not seen this trailer yet, so I I've just read about the film. That's one option. TRACK04: Or you can go the safe route and we can watch the trailer for Narnia, the magician's nephew, the Greta Gerwig, first film Yeah, TRACK01: Or you can go the safe route and we can watch the trailer for Narnia, the magician's nephew, the Greta Gerwig first. film in the yes. TRACK04: post Barbie and first first film of the Narnia thing. So one would you like to watch in place of me putting out an unfortunate veto on A T twenty four Jeremy Sonia? it was A twenty four as Slaygron. Okay. TRACK01: So it's your choice. Which one would you like to watch in place of me putting out an unfortunate veto on A twenty four's new Jeremy Sonia film? Yeah, it was. Yeah. TRACK04: I being familiar with the story of Narnia and I've read the books as a kid. I I yeah, I don't wanna see anything from that. I think I've seen a little maybe like a small little clip of TRACK01: Yeah, I don't wanna see anything from that. Okay. I've seen a little yeah. Maybe a small little clip of TRACK04: an actor that's involved playing a role. Like I don't know, but yeah, I'd as little I'm sure I'm not gonna have a choice but to see trailers for it. You would rather pass on Narnia and that kind of let's do the pancakes. I would assume. Yeah. Okay then. Good. The choice TRACK01: Yes. So you'd like you would rather pass on Narnia and just let that kind of 'cause you're probably gonna see enough of it as it is. Yeah. Okay then. Good. The choice has been made. The die has been cast. this is gonna be the film trailer for the film, the best pancake or just best pancakes in the county. It does star Nicholas Cage. I'll just give you a quick little one line synopsis on this before we actually watch the trailer. TRACK04: This is gonna be the film, trailer for the film, the best pancake or just best pancakes in the county. It does star Nicholas Cage. I'll just give you a quick little one-line synopsis on this before we actually watch the trailer. TRACK01: hold on, let me stop it before we go into it. over the course of one explosive night, a small town diner becomes the epicenter of a deadly standoff involving rogue federal agents, a fast talking cown man with a dangerous past, and a heart waitress harboring secrets of her own. it's a new action movie by Ken Sanzil, who I'm not familiar with as a director, but starring Nicholas Cage, Justin Long, and Shelly Hennig. All right, so here we go. Best pancakes in the county. Official. TRACK04: To it. over the course of one explosive night, a small town diner becomes the epicenter of a deadly standoff involving rogue federal agents, a fast talking town man with a dangerous past, and a har waitress harboring secrets of her own. it's a new action movie by Ken Sanzel, who I'm not familiar with as a director, but starring Nicholas Cage, Justin Long, and Shelley Hennig. Wow, so here we go. Best pancakes in the county official trailer for us to watch. TRACK01: Trailer for us to watch. So yes, that is the trailer for best pancakes in the county. I'm I'll just I'm gonna jump ahead on this one, Chris. Okay. I I I don't I don't think there was a shot in this trailer that didn't have a gun in it. So every single shot I watched, there was a gun. yeah. This looks like a hey, we gotta let's have a TRACK04: So yes, that is the trailer for best pancakes in the county. I'm I'll just I'm gonna jump ahead with this because I don't I don't think there was a shot in this trailer that didn't have a gun in it. So every single shot I watched. Yeah. It just looks like a hey, we gotta let's have a action thriller set in a one TRACK01: Action thriller set in a one location spot as a diner. And let's throw in a really bizarre character for Nicolas Cage to play. That's the son of a bitch. Yeah. That's kinda all I got from this trailer is that's pretty much what I think we're seeing. So a did you get anything more from this than I did No. TRACK04: And let's throw in a really bizarre character for Nicolas Cage to play. Titled The Son of a Bitch. That's kind of all I got from this trailer. That's pretty much what I think we're seeing. So did you get anything over from this than I did No, but it it could be a it it's odd to me that it's come actually coming to theaters instead of being a director streamer. it says it's coming out November twentieth. TRACK01: it says it's coming out November twentieth. So odd timing for to try to find time in a multiplex when Oscar TRACK04: So odd timing for a film to try to find time in a multiplex when Oscar stuff and family fair are usually running out to theaters. But yeah, it it may be just be a turn your brain off film. So who who knows? So it is saying in theaters and available on digital. So it'll be a joint release. They'll have it in a few theaters. TRACK01: stuff and family fair are usually running out to theaters. But yeah, it it may be just be a turn your brain off film. So could be. It is saying in theaters and available on digital November twentieth, so it'll be a joint release. They'll have it in a few theaters. TRACK04: Okay. And it'll be available TRACK01: And it'll be available online for purchasing that same day. So yeah. TRACK04: And yeah, a low budget we know what we're doing, you know, B movie because it's like the best pancakes in the game like you know, and they acknowledge that in the trail. Yeah, you know. TRACK01: The title the title fooled me. So I mean it got my attention, but the trailer didn't do much on that. So yeah. Okay. TRACK04: Sure, yeah. And so that worked. Yeah. Okay. TRACK01: Well, we probably should have watched Narnia. But that's okay. That's fine. We'll we'll save that. We'll we'll I'm sure we'll see Narnia trailer at some point and in here. Okay, Chris. Well I think that's all we have for news. Batman two TRACK04: Don't worry, we'll get to see it. Yes, everywhere. Okay, Chris. Well I think that's all we have for news. Batman two. TRACK01: tangles. Vetoed on Slay Ground, the new Jeremy Sonia trailer. Probably will get to next week. It's just we're in the midst of Halloween stuff. I've been inundated with horror scary stuff the last week or so. Let's get past Halloween and then then maybe we'll take a look at the Slay Ground trailer. and then best pancakes in the county in its place. All right, Chris. So we're headed over to you for the last part of the show. Bring us home. What is your recommendation of a film we should check out this week? TRACK04: vetoed on Slay Ground, the new Jeremy Sonier trailer. Probably will get to it next week. It's just we're in the midst of Halloween stuff. I've been inundated with horror scary stuff the last week or so. Let's get past Halloween and then then maybe we'll take a look at the Slay ground. and then Best Pancakes in the county in its place. All right Chris. So we're over to you for the last part of the show. Bring us home. What is your recommendation of a film we should check out this week? TRACK01: So TRACK04: So there was a twenty twenty-six film that came and went. It was one of I think it might have been one of my most anticipated movies. Can't remember. that's what Letterbox for. I'll have to check on there. But it was directed by Michael Sarnoski and starred Hugh Jackman. It was the Death of Robin Hood. Came to theaters, came and went in theaters. and it also starred Jody Comer, Bill Skarsgard, Noah Jupe. So good cast. TRACK01: and starred Hugh Jackman. It was the Death of Robin Hood. Came to theaters, came and went in theaters. Mm-hmm. and it also starred Jody Comer, Bill Skarsgard, Noah Juke. So good cast, but I was curious when I checked this out on HBO Max recently, what what's the deal? and I think my j good film TRACK04: But I was curious when I checked this out on HBO Max recently, what what's the deal? and I think my tra good film, bit of a downer. you learn the death of Robin Hood, so it kind of spoils the ending. there's a death involved, and it is of Robin Hood, who you Jackman is playing. I you know, many anti-heroes in cinema. This has to be TRACK01: Downer. Mm-hmm. yeah, I got Robin Hood, so it kinda spoils the ending. Yeah. There's a death involved, and it is a Robin Hood who your Jackman is playing. I you know, many anti heroes in cinema. This has to be TRACK04: Towards the top of the list for me of yeah, this guy's an anti-hero, which is a pretty heavy lift for Hugh Jackman because our perceptions of Robin Hood are the Kevin Costner version. Or, who knows? Maybe it's the animated Disney version, but it is definitely not a grizzled old man who has a very dark past. So it's history of violence, but with the Robin Hood legend thrown on it. So interesting take on it. TRACK01: Towards the top of the list for me of yeah, this guy's an antihero, which is a pretty heavy lift for Hugh Jackman because our perceptions of Robin Hood are the Kevin Costner version. Or, you know, who knows, maybe it's the animated Disney version. But it is definitely not a grizzled old man who has a very dark past. Yeah. So it's kinda like a history of violence but with the Robin Hood legend thrown on it. So interesting take on it. TRACK04: well shot, TRACK01: well shot. TRACK04: well acted film. and I think if you're willing to go for that kind of grim type film, it's it's it's a good one. I it's solidly made. And I was also interested because Michael Serenoski, he did Pig, which I really liked, and he also was the director of A Quiet Place Day One, which could have just been a throwaway, crappy third installment of the trilogy of the Quix. And no, I felt like it was pretty good. TRACK01: It's it's it's a good one. I it's solidly made. And I was also interested because Michael Sarinowski he did Pig, which I really liked. know. I thought it was pretty good. So I was concerned because I think this did have a made and then delayed and then finally released type Yeah. and unfortunately it was a very TRACK04: So I was concerned because I think this did have a made, then delayed and then finally released type, you know, thing. Yeah, unfortunately. TRACK01: light release. Like it it just didn't get a lot of promotion, didn't get a lot of heat when it came out, so yeah. Mm-hmm. So yeah. So I it made me excited that his third film was still a good one, if not the great you know I didn't like it as much as I like Pig, but still a good one. And so I'm still on the Sarnowsky bandwagon to see what he does next. Okay. Well I was really fascinated by this film. TRACK04: So yeah, so I it made me excited that his third film was still a good one, if not the great I didn't like it as much as I liked Pig, but still a good one. And so I'm still on the Sarnowski bandwagon to see what he does next. So Well I was really fascinated by this film. TRACK01: God I'm using that w that word. quite a bit throughout this episode. Fascinating. I was intrigued by this film because I love the Robin Hood lore and the story and all and I was really curious this take on it from what I saw and all the promotional material and I just never got a ri chance to see it. It really came and went very quickly in not a lot of theaters. So I'm actually happy to hear you're the first person I've talked to that's actually seen it. So it does give me a more encouragement to go seek it out and just TRACK04: Fascinated. I was intrigued by this film because I love the Robin Hood lore and the story and all and I was really curious this take on it from what I saw and all the promotional material and I just never got a rich to see it. It kind of really came and went very quickly. Yeah. And not a lot of theaters. So I'm actually happy to hear you're the first person I've talked to that's actually seen it. So sure. It does give me a more encouragement to go seek it out. TRACK01: More of that curiosity than anything else, so good. TRACK04: widely available for you to seek out if you get the chance on HBMX. Okay, perfect. Thank you for that recommendation as always. And I think that wraps us up for today. We are done here on Fu Candle Films. Chris, if anybody has any TRACK01: Okay, perfect. Thank you for that recommendation as always. And I think that wraps us up for today. We are done here on Foot Candle Films. Chris, if anybody has any desire to talk to us, if you would like to join us for another hour long conversation about you can see everything, please do. We'd love to talk to you. So Chris, how can somebody get a hold of us or engage in us with us in any way, shape, TRACK04: If you would like to join us for another hour long conversation about who you can see everything, please do. We'd love to talk to you. So Chris, how can somebody get a hold of us or engage in us with us in any way, shape, or form? TRACK01: or form? TRACK04: You can contact us by sending an email to info at footcandle.org or leave us a voicemail at the mesh.tv website where you can also check out past foot candle film episodes as well as other podcasts on various subjects from barbecue to comedy to mental health. We're also on Facebook at Foot Candle Film Society and other social platforms as Foot Candle Film. Do us a favor, if you like the show, consider leaving us a review on whatever platform you receive your favorite podcasts on because it'll help us reach new listeners and we'd appreciate that. TRACK01: Use a favor if you like the show, consider leaving us a review on whatever platform you receive your favorite podcasts on because it'll help us reach new listeners. And we'd appreciate that. TRACK04: Last but not least, the 2027 Foot Candle Film Festival. Yeah, it's a while off. It's not happening until September of 2027. However, if you are a filmmaker and have a film that you would like to submit, we will be opening up for submissions. TRACK01: Last but not least, the twenty twenty seven Foot Candle Film Festival. Yeah, it's a while off. It's not happening until September of twenty twenty seven. However, if you are a filmmaker and have a film that you would like to submit, we will be opening up for submissions TRACK04: November first, which is coming up pretty quickly. So head over there and submit your film. All right. Sounds good. Thanks everybody for listening today and we'll look forward to talking to you next time we get together to record. So thanks. Take care. TRACK01: November first, which is coming up pretty quickly. So head over there and submit your film. All right. Sounds good. Thanks everybody for listening today, and we'll look forward to talking to you next time we get together to record. So thanks. Take care. TRACK04: See you in the ticket line.