Kinds of Kindness

[00:00:02] What you want when you want it, where you want it. This is the mesh. What you want when you want it, where you want it. This is the mesh. Footcandle Films, Thelm News and Reviews from two guys who really like movies.

[00:00:25] This episode is brought to you by the Footcandle Film Society, where a schedule of upcoming screenings and membership information visit the Society's website at www.footcandle.org. Hello and welcome to Footcandle Films here on the mesh.tv podcast network.

[00:00:47] My name is Alan Jackson with me Chris Fry. We are both with the Footcandle Film Society and the Annual Footcandle Film Festival coming up soon. We will talk about that a little bit later.

[00:00:57] But here we are today to talk about movies. We do our typical movie reviews every week we get together as well as share some news or opinions on films and projects that are coming up in the future. Chris, how you doing, man?

[00:01:12] I didn't get the memo which when we were doing whether it was the Garfield movie or Inside Out too. So I watched both. Yeah, I think we're doing both of them. I didn't know which one for today's episodes to watch both.

[00:01:24] I watched something completely different, but I think it'd be interesting if we blended our review of Garfield Inside Out too and the film we actually are going to talk about which is kinds of kindness. I'll kind of blend together.

[00:01:36] I think they'd be a nice, it'd be a nice triple header to go enjoy the Saturday at the movies. Sounds like a plan. The latest Yorgos Lent the Most Movie is what we're going to be reviewing.

[00:01:46] It is kind of kindness, dying, Emma Stone and Jesse Plimmons and Moncero Others. And we'll get into that here in just a moment.

[00:01:53] After that review we do have some trailers to talk about in our trailer top as segment of the show where we can have feast on the little morsels of film information we get from trailers. Chris, interestingly enough, I think we have three trailers to talk about this week.

[00:02:10] Two of them are direct follow-ups to last week. Gotcha. So just in our new section. If you listen to our show, if you're one of our regular listeners and you've got us on your subscription feed, we talked about two films last week.

[00:02:23] One of them we were planning on showing the trailer but the trailer hadn't been released yet. So now it has. We're denying that. That's right.

[00:02:29] The second one was a film I talked about in the new section, but I actually found out some more information about this film that makes it even more interesting. And there's a trailer out now.

[00:02:39] So we're going to talk about that plus a whole new one that's new to the, to the football channel films podcast. So but before we get into all of the trailer fun that we're going to have later in the show,

[00:02:49] we do have a review to give and it is for the latest film by poor things, the favorite, the lobster, all those films, director, writer, it's Yorgas Lathamos and his latest film, kinds of kindness. This is it. Do you think I can do it?

[00:03:15] I'll put in your eyes and look clearly at what's going on around you, like mine, all be in danger. I love you. Yorgas Lathamos's latest film, kinds of kindness is the inner weaving, well not inner weaving actually.

[00:03:45] They're just three separate stories and in these stories, some of the actors, Emma Stone, Jesse Pumman's, William Diffa Margaret Kwale Hongchau, they play different characters.

[00:03:56] Let's say for example, in one Jesse Pumman's is married to Emma Stone in the next they may just be acquaintances or you know they just kind of switch the cast in between these three.

[00:04:07] To talk about this I'm going to give kind of a brief plot synopsis as it were of the three different shorts, okay, or because you know there are two different films that make up this and the movie is two hours and forty four minutes long.

[00:04:21] So not really fair to call them shorts but the three, the three different sections. Okay, so and I'll give them titles because these are the titles that appear on the screen.

[00:04:30] So in the first one we have the death of RMS and Jesse Pumman's plays Robert Flutter and he is someone that basically is told what to do in every point in his life.

[00:04:45] Like you know this hour you will get up for your dip in the morning at this time you will eat this her breakfast, you will do this and okay.

[00:04:52] And the person who is telling them all these things is played by William Diffa and that's and he, one of the things that he assigns us got to do is to ram his car into another car at in late at night.

[00:05:09] Ten o'clock I think was the assigned time and calls damage to this other car possibly killing the other person. Okay, and that's kind of where I'll leave that one so that's the first segment okay.

[00:05:20] In the second segment titled RMS is flying we have Jesse Pumman's playing a police officer, okay. So yeah these cats are completely different this time and in a stone place his wife who has gone she's a oceanographer or part of a team of oceanographers.

[00:05:38] And she goes missing and so in this one someone she comes back but she is kind of acting different. And he doesn't think that maybe this person is really his wife somebody is impersonating his wife and complications in suit, okay.

[00:06:00] And then the last one is entitled RMS eat a sandwich and in this one I'm a stern place someone who is looking for somebody that she thinks has magical powers and she is part of a cult.

[00:06:17] The cult is led by William Diffa and Hong Chao and her partner, I'm to use out there looking for this magical person as well is played by Jesse Climans.

[00:06:29] So that's a lot I realized that's a lot in seven but this film reminds me of kind of the level of oddness of something like the lobster or definitely one of the director of writer director yours landmoses earlier films that you and I saw reviewed I think.

[00:06:50] I think we talked about that but I think we also reviewed it. So kind of a return to that except the difference here is this hasn't common with his more recent films that you mentioned poor things the favorite it's an English.

[00:07:05] We don't need sub-doubt so it's kind of a return to kind of the vibe of some of his earlier films but yet he maintains movie stars that we're aware of that aren't you know we know who these people are and but he kind of gets for that oddness I'm wondering out just overall were you like interested in RMS or were you like WTF that's kind of my question.

[00:07:31] That's good Chris I was really good. I worked really hard on that. Did you hear you wrote all night last night Europe struggling to think of that I was really really good question. I'll just say I really had a good time with this.

[00:07:44] I like this movie a lot okay and I can't quite understand why but that's part of the reason I think I do like it is I think it's not something I can put a fine touch on to understand why it is all I could.

[00:08:00] I almost I looked at this film is almost a very twisted a subsfables type of idea where I think there's a I think there's a message in each of the stories.

[00:08:12] I don't know what those messages are quite or I don't know if they're supposed to be as black and white as like a typical fable or or anything would be but I think there's something to it and I'm having fun just trying to process what that is.

[00:08:27] But that's the good thing is that you know it's not clear cut I mean the stories don't end and there's like okay oh this was this was the whole message this is what this story was about type of things like maybe maybe a little bit this maybe a little bit that but I mean that's the good thing about it.

[00:08:43] I don't want this to be a very cut and dry narrative narrative structure feature and it's not it's it's odd it's unique stories I think are interesting I think the characters are interesting. Jesse Plyman's who he and he's pretty nice.

[00:09:01] I mean prominent two or three yeah two yeah he's very proud and he's somewhat I mean I've always thought he's he's a fine actor I've never really been that blown away by him other than civil war the scene he had there I did think that was probably the best I've seen a Mac.

[00:09:15] This was I thought this was really good so and I think it must have been still really strong or the all the characters are really good in this.

[00:09:22] I just I think it's just more you know you got to be in the right vibe for this you got to be in the right mindset but for me.

[00:09:28] It worked hit you there hit me at the right time I really really liked it it's not my favorite length most film I mean I really love port things I really love the favorite I really love the lobster see it's kind of on a roll with me right now.

[00:09:43] You haven't seen killing a mistake or it has the one I haven't seen that is the only I've seen dog tooth and even saw helps yeah so I'm definitely a fan of his last four four so films.

[00:09:55] And this is not as good for me as maybe the last couple he's done. But I think it's an interesting exercise I think it was an interesting I got the impression what I read about this film is that.

[00:10:06] If this was kind of done in that post-COVID kind of weird time where I think he had finished on production of poor things and they had some extra time and extra money and they just wanted to kind of do this.

[00:10:19] And I like that spirit I kind of got that impression with the film I mean it's a relatively quote small film and that it's really five or six actors.

[00:10:28] There's no like extravagant production design like there is with poor things or even the favorite I mean it's a pretty straightforward simple film. Just it's the storytelling that decides to have some fun with and.

[00:10:40] I liked it I like to a lot so anyway Chris I'm dying to hear your opinion on this though because this is a very divisive film oh yeah look I went with my not a surprise I went with my budding filmmaker son going to film school son and he hated it okay.

[00:10:56] And I totally got it like when we walked out of the theater and he's like yeah I really did not like that movie I'm like I totally get it I'm like I understand why you didn't and I think your goes land the miss would be happy with that because I think.

[00:11:08] He seems to be I mean never met man but from the type of films he makes he seems to be kind of a provocateur very strong visioner he has and I think like he would either want you to be on vibe with his son or like completely.

[00:11:21] He wants you to have a reaction and so I think he's succeed we had the we had the actual like dichotomy of reactions to this film that I think you're right I think you wanted so Chris I'm turning every year I want to hear your thoughts about this.

[00:11:36] You know I cannot throw out the air should miss prize anybody that this is a podcast it is a hundred sixty four minutes. I like I appreciated what it was doing but sometimes I got frustrated because I felt.

[00:11:49] I felt spitting the wheels like he said you kind of get what's going on and then and maybe it was not necessarily the third one I think the third one actually moved along at a pretty good clip for me but something about the first two.

[00:12:01] Just I wish it could have been a little tighter I mean I don't know how to explain but I liked the rotating cast the oddness that was going on kind of a dark absurdist comedy stuff that he was it because they some of they do have funny moments in it I found some some funny stuff but it's so.

[00:12:18] Dark and understated and it just I don't know it's and the weird thing was I kind of walked out of thinking well is interesting I'm glad I saw it.

[00:12:28] But believe it or not I started to appreciate it more when my parents asked me something like oh what's the most recent movie you do I was like well I saw a kinds of kindness there were four things they know who in the stone is.

[00:12:42] So I started trying to as I came it's not for you let me prove that with the don't go see this maybe but then I started to explain to them.

[00:12:50] The three different stories and kind of a cast like kind of what I saw so in the meetings where and the expressions on their faces were just like what like in my mom specifically when I was describing the second segment when.

[00:13:03] Jesse Plyman's gets the gets him a stand in his portraying the person that's come back who he thinks is his wife to cut her toe off and prepare with some rice I think it's actually but that's okay.

[00:13:14] In a skillet and she was like I'm sorry and then when further step that he then takes she was just like oh I just I would walk out I'm like yeah I get that and I think that's what he's going.

[00:13:26] And many people did I just say I think that we were talking beforehand I had a grand total in our beautiful agency theater here in downtown Hickory North Carolina.

[00:13:36] We had a grand total of five people in the theater at the big I'm sorry six people at the beginning.

[00:13:41] Down to three people at the end of the film because yes there were walkouts and and I had it was me and one other person and they left to they left several times but they left for the final time.

[00:13:54] The game up they finally gave up somewhere towards the end of the second yeah the second piece we didn't make it to the third so I will say and I'm going to say that this is kind of strange we haven't really gone into a lot of detail you know shared little things.

[00:14:07] If this sounds interesting to you yeah stop listening because the true less you know about this stuff like I kind of brushed over with the loosely with the stories are about just go in completely blank because I think that's some of the joy of trying to figure out WTF is actually going on.

[00:14:25] So I'll even take a step further. I think unfortunately we probably already ruined a little bit of the film even just by setting up the way the film structured I wish I didn't know it was going to be three stories.

[00:14:36] I think that actually changes your perception of time when watching the movie because if you know there's going to be three stories you're already kind of mentally thinking okay wins this one and the next one starts type of thing.

[00:14:48] Okay and that was probably my problem because I did know they were going to be three in the first and I was like oh my goodness okay let's let's you know I've gotten what I'm going to get out of this first one let's move on to the second credit credit actually come up like a short little roll of credits after each of the three stories and my son did not know about the whole three.

[00:15:05] So really we're talking like this is like 45 50 minutes and I was on credits come up and he kind of like to me is like that it I'm like no that's not it.

[00:15:16] Because I knew I read that it was not it was three stories but I kind of wish I didn't know that that kind of would have been kind of cool so anyway then might have effected a little bit of our perception of time because I was a little more sensitive to time as well watching this thinking okay yeah let's go ahead and move on to the next one type of thing at the end

[00:15:34] type of thing at times during the second one I think because I was a little more sensitive to time so yeah.

[00:15:41] So kinds of kindness if we're trying to talk about what maybe we thought were what the title may mean it is hard to say yeah but I think in a way it's kind of what you can get from them is kind of a judgment on.

[00:15:59] On you the way like what the view of brings to it like the first one this guy is having his life controlled and then you have a certain perception of him and then he rebels against it.

[00:16:09] But then when he sees competition with somebody else he makes sure that he achieves the goal that he was originally supposed to do and I'll just leave that vague.

[00:16:19] I mean there again stop listening if you don't get it. If you want to see this movie it's probably good to skip ahead a little bit.

[00:16:25] Right and then like the shocking nature of kind of why he does what he does in the earth and you're like okay similarly with the second film. How he keeps testing this person who he's not sure is his wife.

[00:16:41] And then the result of the ultimate test and then what happens immediately after let's say she failed I guess she is the final test whatever you can say it was the final test he had her performed.

[00:16:52] Yeah and then you get a revelation that was so like and in a way it's kind of like your blaming maybe the husband or anything and then like like well like does the in just to find the means.

[00:17:05] I like for the second. It's kind of an examination of what you bring to it and that this film is one of the reasons why you know this podcast was invented was to discuss it because afterwards this is made to talk about love it or hate it.

[00:17:19] Yeah. You have to admire some of the acting some of the you know just just affected this film got made I don't think this film would have ever got made.

[00:17:29] Had he not had the benefit of making the favorite grade you're saying well it could be a mall it could have been made but it would have been made and not with American big stars and all that probably would have subterned like a form film but the fact he had the success of the favorite he was already making poor things right.

[00:17:45] But yeah and it's interesting that Emma Stone is kind of like.

[00:17:50] His partner now so yeah she's been in three three films in a row now kind of as a lead so I just yeah I could talk about this movie for caught a while which is a good thing again.

[00:18:02] That to me is a good film like was it the most satisfying for a lot of viewers know I mean it's not going to be satisfying for a lot of viewers you have to be the kind of kind of mindset where there's this is a film that doesn't give you answers there's no clear resolution.

[00:18:19] either of the three movies really have a well there's endings to all of them but. It's not resolutions it's like you don't walk away saying oh I get this story I understand this story now you got to process everything involved a little bit and.

[00:18:35] And it you know can answer that's the big question so who or what is RMF you know there's theories I've maybe have a little theory but I'll still feel like it might. And it's a little spoiler in terms of supposedly. This was originally going to be called.

[00:18:51] Oh man I can't remember it's gone through several titles originally at one point it was going to be called RMF your ghost land the most has said. There are a methamines nothing now do we you know do we trust him?

[00:19:05] Yeah but he has said it means nothing I will say the titles that I gave you a gave of the three pieces they all do kind of. Make sense in a with air course they make sense because the first one.

[00:19:19] You know the death of RMF the person who is going to be hit with a car his name is RMF. Right okay yeah that's the one for the second one it's RMF is flying okay so the same character or the same actor sorry.

[00:19:34] He plays RMF in the first short he plays him in the second one yeah and he is a helicopter pilot so he flew the helicopter that right the wife back from maybe from disappearing at sea. Oh and if he nod in the third one oh he is.

[00:19:48] What is he doing in the third one okay there you go because I thought maybe the whole RMF is having a sandwich is like he's taking a break he's not in the film but he's in the third one yes okay.

[00:20:00] Or the actor that played RMF in the first one yes he gets to benefit from the power of the chosen. Oh right yeah and if you stick around mid by that you'll get to see eating a sandwich.

[00:20:14] I didn't stick to the credits Chris yeah I guess he'd be okay in the benefit because it was a two hour and 44 minute movie. I sat there for a little bit oh and I was the only person in the theater.

[00:20:29] I didn't say so it's like well I don't you know your ghost length is not this is not a marvel movie.

[00:20:34] So I got up I had walked to the bottom of it because I said when I'm in the theater by myself I actually said if they're very back so I get the full benefit of the screen the exact middle.

[00:20:43] I'd walked down I'd started to turn the corner walk out of the theater and I heard something I turned with my head back around and saw the scene and I was like that's awesome.

[00:20:54] Okay so it's just the actor that was playing the RMF character in the first of all short shorts.

[00:20:59] Or two shorts he he was just sitting and you're saying which yes and because of him taking a big bite some catch ups splatter stand on a shirt like blood which is really funny. But yes he so he is okay.

[00:21:12] Yeah that's it I'm going again I'm going again to say this. So it's interesting because I could see where there are two hours and 40 minutes just so I can see the end credits again. The last watch sunset almost turned you off of reviewing films it was very odd.

[00:21:26] You know film and like this I could see how some I could what like you know you were saying your sounds like okay I hate that movie and I could totally understand that.

[00:21:34] So I could see I was wondering if you what reaction you were going to have but. Sounds like you're I loved it. I loved it.

[00:21:41] I like you're right it's not for everybody I think this is a very specialized audience involved and as Chris and I've been describing the film with this.

[00:21:49] I sound a no way appealing to you you're right it's not going to be appealing to you it is not something I would recommend to most people but it just worked for me. I again any film I can come out of and feel like this warrant discussion.

[00:22:05] I'm all for that you throw in some good performances I think all the actors were having fun with their roles and play and I'm really well.

[00:22:13] If you the format of it's being three stories that are using the same actors all playing different parts is kind of a little bit of a fun of okay first one's done now we're going to the second one I want to see how different.

[00:22:25] Everybody's parts are in the second story you know she's a little bit you kind of play with the format a little bit.

[00:22:31] Sure I mean like we get to see will and a fo as some mysterious billionaire you know control agent yes we get to see him as a very domesticated father you know caring for a daughter right and then we get to see him as the leader of some.

[00:22:52] Sex cult and some is like how great is that to see three performances in the same film and every every actor gets to kind of flex a little bit with those.

[00:23:02] Just that you know the details let's take for example in that third film or third short their piece of like the cult yeah like the things they do like they generate there's this theme of water and people are drinking water but not they carry this water around with them you're like okay.

[00:23:22] And then it's revealed at one point the source of this water is that will him to throw in a hometown here kind of like the leaders here they sit on an edge of a giant like pool tank above ground pool tank and make themselves cry and their tears are what are generating this wall.

[00:23:40] I love that so much when it that reveal came around I I lost it that was so great it's like you know to me there's a I don't know if you've seen.

[00:23:50] If you've seen this filmmaker he's I think he's nor he's from Norway but Roy Anderson and he makes these films that are very.

[00:24:00] I think he's been understated all there like washed out a pigeon sat on a branch reflecting on existence is one of them about endlessness came out in 2019 part of it but I'm not seeing it like all this stuff they're they have these odd things.

[00:24:14] And the humor is very understated and they're very dark but it's like instead of Wes Anderson which can have these very vibrant.

[00:24:21] You know shots and stuff his is the exact opposite it's like he desaturates everything but the type of compositions and his shots are very similar to Wes Anderson so this is.

[00:24:32] It read the humor of this and the absurdist that's this guy specializes in Roy Anderson is like it's absurd stuff.

[00:24:40] This reminded me of the level of the sort of the of his stuff but it didn't have a color palette to the West Anderson style or his desaturates so wasn't but just the type of humor and I think if you if you.

[00:24:53] If you like this you might be interested in Roy Anderson or if you like Roy Anderson as a hey I've got something for you because it's different but just the kind of the what the heck is going on here nature and I feel like to.

[00:25:06] Roy Anderson kind of comments on class and wealth and I feel like these you know kind of are commenting a little bit on that too.

[00:25:14] You brought Wes Anderson and that mean actually it did strike me a few times in this film and like okay yeah this is like if Wes Anderson and David Lynch did a movie right.

[00:25:23] If Wes Anderson explored the darker side of society that I don't think his films are very, really been that terribly interested in and kind of threw some of the the the the the vibrancy and the color and all of that the window.

[00:25:39] I mean there's a lot of similarity and kind of storytelling and framing and kind of pacing use of dialogue it's very there's some similarities there and this maybe something I like maybe I can kind of respond well to all their films for the most part so.

[00:25:56] I don't know I just I kind of I'm kind of itch and the see this again okay I actually think watching it again with a different perspective might might with little historical perspective might be kind of an interesting watch.

[00:26:08] Well nothing going in now with what you're saying like I mean grand there's no I can erase the fact that I know it's three but now that I'm not like wearing wins the next one gonna start.

[00:26:18] I can just kind of focus on maybe what some meaning that I can go in front of the meeting increase can we not agree. That a world.

[00:26:27] Where dogs are the humans and humans are the dogs is not probably the ideal world we need to be working to what credit secrets was that I was that I go in it was in the second one which again. Okay if you had to pick a favorite.

[00:26:43] Oh favorite which sequence which which short would it be probably the second one okay just because it's the most intriguing to me is like the story because there's a mystery going on.

[00:26:55] This is a mystery and it felt like a very distorted Twilight zone episode which I was also actually all three of them kind of had a little bit of that feel to it where it's like even the first one the kind of idea of the guy.

[00:27:06] You know you're some mysterious situation that he's in where how is he being controlled why is he using to do this and he's gonna do this kind of event at the end try to.

[00:27:17] I feel that destiny I don't know there's definitely some Twilight Zoneish elements to it even the third one has to do with. The cult and magic powers that they're trying to find somebody say yeah I saw it all is a very dark Twilight Zone.

[00:27:32] I think that's I think that's a very good way to look at it and I would actually say you know we're talking about kind of.

[00:27:41] You know kinds of kindness or be careful what you wish for because in the first one it's like I just want to lie for I don't have to worry about things.

[00:27:49] I don't think about anything else to think in the story money and I'm happily married no it's kind of stuff but you're being controlled. Second one is I desperately want my in my spouse back I want the life that I had in Beijing.

[00:28:04] I cannot change they need to be exactly. And he's just like it was when it comes back and then the third one I think kind of you know you have this obsession and then you finally obtain something. Yeah and be careful.

[00:28:16] And you get taken away because that's true okay that's a good thing I can see yeah be careful with you wish for. Right yeah it is a fabel type of thing it's a fabel as the Twilight Zone it's all that just very very dark very very.

[00:28:31] No the film's really end on a happy note I mean it's it's it's only length of most movie I mean it ends away then so so.

[00:28:40] So Alan yeah you're coming off kinds of kindness this is not the new segment but I just want to ask you oh do you have some idea of what his next project is okay.

[00:28:50] So his next project slated right now to come out in 2025 is going to be called I think I pronounce it this right but it's spelled kind of weird.

[00:28:59] Bagoonia and the short little plus and obses is to conspiracy obsessed young men kidnapped the high powered CEO of a major company convinced that she is an alien intent on destroying planet earth. Love it. Starring and a stand in just moments.

[00:29:18] Oh well okay so Jesse plehmens is now his guy too so which yeah you're just kind of surprising in a stand going for yet another one.

[00:29:26] But okay so this will be for for her but Jesse plehmens like being brought into like his act of thing I think that's amazing.

[00:29:33] I was really surprised I knew Jesse plehmens was in this film kind of some kind of this I did not realize he was going to be the lead. I showed the vast majority of the film.

[00:29:41] I mean I knew all the actors were going to be in all three parts of the film but I thought they were going to kind of swap out different ones would be more of a lead.

[00:29:49] No Jesse plehmens was the core character in the first two the first two he's a supporting character in the third not like a minor character. It's really more Emma Stown. Yeah that it really is Emma Stown.

[00:30:02] Jesse plehmens kind of driving this whole film and interesting to see length of most is like yep those are my two let's keep going. So yeah that's cool.

[00:30:10] And they're again I kind of liked it more after I talked like maybe it was like a three star when I walked out of the theater talking to my parents I think it's gone up a little bit of my estimation talking to you about it.

[00:30:22] I just there's just some stuff that you just you have I feel like you just have to appreciate you know what I mean.

[00:30:28] And if I consider this almost like it feels like it's a throwaway movie for everybody it's like hey we've got these interesting story ideas let we've got these great five or six actors let's just do it like let's just make these stories and let's just see what happens.

[00:30:43] I kind of got that feel from it and I'm like I like that I like to fact that this feels like a very kind of let's just let's just throw this on the wall and see if it sticks.

[00:30:51] I don't think anyone would ever lob this insult at Lantamets and company saying like oh all you guys is going oh you guys are doing is going off looking for Oscars after the thing.

[00:31:03] Empower things but with this home he's like no hold my beer right so no look I'm this is this this this it will not come up to her.

[00:31:13] I'm not going to say her saying oh this has got to be no I think he's saying like oh I'll show you how much of a non sell out.

[00:31:22] Absolutely no I think this is almost like a hey look I've had a lot of success Oscar success in the last several years.

[00:31:29] I kind of want to do kind of want to remind everybody this is the kind of movies I like to make so let me throw this one back out there so it is all good.

[00:31:38] Well that is kinds of kindness it sounds like I definitely came away I'm I'm probably at that four star level okay you know what favorite film of the year halfway through.

[00:31:48] And now okay no it's it's up there okay it's up there I mean my favorite film of the little year list is honestly pretty tight because I haven't seen as many as most.

[00:32:01] And honestly I don't think it's been a incredibly strong first half of the year as far as quality of films okay so I've really only got like.

[00:32:10] Two or three films I can not like claim our favorites of mine this year so far yeah but this is this is up there for sure. Not my favorite but could be in the top five bouncing round pretty easily.

[00:32:23] You sound like you came in with a kind of a mid range review of it kind of a generally positive nothing glowing you may be are growing in your esteem a little bit as you.

[00:32:33] If you would have asked me when I walked out of this film yeah like oh you're gonna watch again they're like ah probably not but now you know I am curious.

[00:32:42] I'm curious you want to watch it again now that I know there's a mid credits scene too I just I'm so mad that I walked away.

[00:32:48] I generally don't do that I generally sit through the whole credits but it was a very late night screening it was very we were very tired.

[00:32:55] We were honestly the only people left in the theater with this one guy who actually stuck it out with us and yeah we just we. I generally do also stay but I was yeah it was the long.

[00:33:05] Yeah yeah all right kinds of kindness I would say go see in your local theater I don't think it's going to be at many of your local theaters were very long I don't think it'll be in our local theater past probably a couple days past the release of this podcast but.

[00:33:18] These films are getting a much quicker route to online viewing these days so I would not be surprised to see this online within about 60 days.

[00:33:27] The way it's playing out that is kinds of kindness by your goes length of most alright Chris who that's a good conversation I like everyone can dig into a film and really find something to chew on with it.

[00:33:39] Let's take a quick break when we come back we've got three trailers to kind of talk about for films coming up very soon that we're going to dissect a little bit for you. So stay tuned for football.

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[00:34:11] The films here on the mesh dot TV podcast network Chris and I had our review of the your goes length of most film kinds of kindness before the break.

[00:34:21] But now we are moving on to talk about new movies that will be coming out in the future so these were movies obviously we have not seen nobody has seen them yet.

[00:34:31] For the people maybe that are directly working on them but we only have these little morsels that they decide to dole out to us called trailers now Chris and I have a very.

[00:34:41] Difficult relationship with trailers I still love trailers as a art form, but yet I also agree that art trailers do to go too far many times and give away too much of the film which I don't like I will say for the two trailers I'm bringing to the table and I know we got a third one we're going to watch together.

[00:34:58] I don't feel like it spoils the movie so that's good but I definitely think they are successful in giving off the vibe and the concept and the premise very well but we'll see.

[00:35:12] In both of the two trailers I want to talk about Chris are kind of follow up to last week's episode. Okay in last week's episode number one. We talked about the latest film from.

[00:35:23] Ego's Robert Ego's of Nostpharautu super excited we saw the trailer in the movie theater was before period I believe. Is that right? Right. Bikeriders. It was before bike riders and but it did not show up online for several days later so we couldn't talk about it immediately.

[00:35:41] But we already talked about it I just want to show the trailer and then we can just kind of give our quick commentary on the trailer itself. I've already talked about I'm personally excited. Ego's films in general I've liked. I like the which.

[00:35:56] I don't like to say I'm not going to say I liked the lighthouse but I respected the lighthouse. I at least thought it was an interesting watch even though it didn't work for me. So I am curious to see.

[00:36:08] Nostpharautu especially because I'm just kind of a big vampire film and this time period is of interest to me as well. Trying to be more historical with the time period. So let's see this is the trailer for Nostpharautu. I'm too big. Hey Michael. Professor. My dreams spread darker.

[00:36:48] Does he come from with him us? What's wrong beyond? Alright so that is the trailer for Nostpharautu. I know we talked about it last week Chris but any just immediate thoughts on the trailer itself or any other thoughts you have on the film now.

[00:37:10] Well like you mentioned, you know we have this love hate relationship with trailers. You know Kenner of the old tomboy. This is a perfect example of no I don't think this reveals it.

[00:37:19] It gives you a feeling of what it's going to feel like and at least it is some of the actors involved. Genius for me that we just get glimpses of scars guard who plays. Yeah. You see things from behind but we don't get like full faith.

[00:37:36] They keep them somewhat shrouded in a little bit of mystery which I think is cool. To me and it seems like you mentioned last time how reminded you of Brandstoker's Dracula by Copa and yeah that this calls to mind that.

[00:37:51] Well it's not even just the time period obviously. It has some similarities there but just the overall style and production design of what we're seeing on screen. Yeah it definitely echoes that which I hope it's but what I'm looking for hoping for with this is Bromster a Dracula.

[00:38:07] But from the mind of Robert Eggers meaning let's go a little let's go a little darker with let's go a little more cerebral with it. Let's really have some fun with it and that's why I'm hoping for and let's like that's what we may get.

[00:38:22] Yeah, I mean after he made the witch it seemed like this would have been his very next film.

[00:38:28] So it's kind of interesting that he made the lighthouse and the Northman and then now and then now he's made this because yes seeming like the themes of like horror and stuff like that were very you know I think he any. I think he likes making period movies.

[00:38:44] Yeah, I think that's kind of like his thing like John our period film so. Yes, it's never there was a film that seemed like he was going to make this. Yeah, so Christmas of the share. Yeah, Merry Christmas. What's as a Christmas for the kids?

[00:38:59] Paul and the Carl let's go see Noth for Autism maybe Robert Eggers needs to be responsible for the what was the universe supposed to be called the the the the monster verse was that what they were going to call it you they started with the mummy or whatever the time.

[00:39:12] Oh, no that was that was the dark. Was it the dark universe. Yeah, it was just to be like yeah Frank and Styne they were going to do a walk down the mic so maybe they just need to give that over to Robert Eggers.

[00:39:24] I'm letting him do that would have been fine with that just yeah dark universe. Yeah, all the lofty expectations of that of that that franchise and just did not go anywhere. All right. Okay, now they're follow up to last week Chris okay.

[00:39:38] I did as a news item I talked about the latest film that I was just made aware of honestly right before last week's recording. I had no clue about which was the latest film by director Robert Zemeckis starting Tom Hanks and.

[00:39:56] Oh my gosh, I can't remember the female Robin right. Okay, I apologize, Mr. Wright.

[00:40:02] And it was called here and I talked about the premise of it which I said you know premises is the two characters as the Tom Hanks Robin right playing the same people all three different periods of their lives.

[00:40:13] So we're following this family and it was like exploring this family, you know, and we see the the deaging process and the aging process going through with them.

[00:40:22] Okay, and that I talked a little bit about I hope it's not gimmicky. I hope it's not just Robert Zemeckis leaning in a special effects and all that which you mentioned now like polar express or something. Right. My concerns with it.

[00:40:34] Yeah, so there comes to concerns with their a little bit. Sure. All right. I obviously did not read deep enough into this film. Okay. There's another conceit to this film that is now kind of interesting. Okay.

[00:40:45] Not only is it really primarily the two characters we're following and we follow them through their life. It is the entire film is shot. And one location with one camera angle. Whoa. Doesn't change here. Here. Okay. And they released a trailer in the last week.

[00:41:06] So I'm going to show you the trailer. Okay. And just keeping that understanding in mind and knowing that I had some trepidations last week kind of concerned about how gimmicky this movie was going to be.

[00:41:16] This is obviously throwing yet another gimmick into the mix, but I want to show you the trailer. One location. One angle. One angle. Like static. Whoa. Angle. And the third or the next revelation is this is actually only like five minutes long.

[00:41:32] So that's how they pull this off. And hopefully some decisions are being made here. So anyway, we're going to watch the trailer for here. I robber's a mechus and then yes, we'll dissect here shortly. Here we go. It's got you.

[00:41:52] It's right here is where we want to be. You know, if you like. You could spend the rest of the night here. I could spend the rest of my life here. Okay. So that is either going to be. There we go.

[00:42:30] One of the top films of is it coming out in 2024? Um, don't know. Okay. I mean, it looks like, I mean, that trailer seemed pretty fully formed. So it is November 15th. Yes, this year. So you can go see Dracula or you can go see her.

[00:42:45] Sorry, no, it's from the throttos. No, it's from the throttos. Yeah, you can see here. Um, it is it looks very ambitious. I will say from what I can tell from the trailer. It does look like the de-aging and stuff works.

[00:42:58] It does look like there's a, you know, you describe the one camp, but it's like I can see the reasoning behind it. And it's a little bit more visually interesting than just showing a same room. That's not ever a good idea. Yeah, very ambitious. Obviously a story idea.

[00:43:12] I'm curious, which you know, the critts flash by so fast. And I was kind of numb by that point because you're trying to take and everything they're showing you, which is a good teaser trailer. Yeah. Whether he wrote it or he did.

[00:43:25] He wrote it with somebody else, but he did. He did correct, correct. And I would wonder if it's based off a book or this is just like an idea. That I don't know. That I don't know.

[00:43:33] He's not just enforcing like, you know, if it's based off like a novel or something, then that you like, okay, there's a lot there. Yeah. So there's going to, but um, no, it looks interesting. It looks very innovative.

[00:43:45] Um, and for those obviously just, you know, everybody's just listening on audio. Uh, if you haven't seen visually the trailer, what will we're kind of referring to? Yeah, everything is from one angle. There's a basically a camera in the corner of this room of this house.

[00:43:58] And everything is from there. But it expands beyond that and that the movie actually shows that you see prehouse like you know, the camera still takes a time. But prehistoric time to colonial times to the build, you know, to the house being built. And then it progresses on.

[00:44:14] So there are, it sticks to the conceit. It appears to be that this camera is fixed in this location and we're going to see everything that happens in front of this camera. If I just corner here. Here. Right.

[00:44:26] And we do see Tom Hanks Robin Wright both as kind of looked to be young, very young or older teenagers, young adults, to other way to elderly people returning. So anyway, uh, yes, it's, it's, it in, I hope it works. I hope it works.

[00:44:44] I don't want to say, is I hope this experience works. I mean, it would be really cool to go and see this movie and be like, yes, that worked. They got it. They did something really cool here. But it could also, this could also be embarrassing.

[00:44:56] I mean, it's just a really depends on that. That's like, so mech is, you know, he did back the future. We both really like that home.

[00:45:03] You know, for scum, you know, I liked it when I saw it, but I saw it like one of the first days it came out. And then like they can't. Yeah. I ultimately still like parts.

[00:45:12] I actually want to see it again because I think now that the hype started down, I can still appreciate Tom Hanks's performance or anything. Anyways, um, I would love for the mechists and I think like Emily mentioned previously like he's made flight.

[00:45:25] He's made some other things that really like, but for him just to have like a, you know, knock it out of the park moment. And it would be nice. It would be a nice one. It would be a nice one.

[00:45:35] Like, this is kind of like maybe this has been a passion type thing that he's kind of slowly been trying to figure out. You know, and then like now it's like, okay, this is it and for it to be real. I think that'd be really cool.

[00:45:45] Well, I mean, for me, yeah, back to the future contact. Okay. Oh, yeah, I really liked that. And then yes, far scum because of its cultural relevance and how important a film it was when it came out.

[00:45:56] Those three, you're like, yeah, the guy solidified his career in my mind with those three films. Sure. It would be nice to have him not to another one.

[00:46:04] Yeah, he's like such a huge, almost 20, you know, 20 some years later from like his last kind of big hit type of thing. So anyway. Agreed. I'm intrigued. I'm hopeful, but man, there are so many things that could go wrong with this production.

[00:46:19] So I hope a hope clear heads are prevailing on how they put this together. Sure. All right. Okay, last trailer we're going to talk about last part of our show here. We do have a third trailer Chris, you just made me aware of this.

[00:46:32] I have not seen it. Have you seen it? I have seen the trailer and it, um, Donald Glover. Yes. You know, me people being included. I never watched community, but I do know some of his music through childish campaigner account. The person that he takes on with that.

[00:46:48] He apparently did make a previous film. I'm not sure if he'd direct a red, but he was involved with a film called Guava Island, which he also did some music for. Well, out of the blue this week, I saw that there is a new movie that he is,

[00:47:01] a key character in, and he's also apparently releasing a soundtrack for it. And I, David the release of trailer, I watched it. Thought it was very interesting. Okay. So yeah, and then I can't even remember that it's like Bandos. It's Bandos Stone in the New World. Okay.

[00:47:18] So there you go. So this is, all right. I've got questions, but let's watch the trailer first and then I can maybe some of the questions will be answered. All right. So this is the trailer for Bandos Stone in the New World with, uh,

[00:47:30] Donald Glover also known as Chaudish Gambino his performance name. So here we go. Who are you? It's me, Bandos Stone. This singer, Starlight. Let's make it happen. Party monkey. It's not truth today. You can party everywhere. Let Joe party monkey. All right. You don't know who I am.

[00:47:50] That's fine. You're going to need help. Back in help. You have to get to the other side of the eye. We can only move in the daytime. So those slow white, one night at night. Because that's when everything comes out. We'll create people, that's fine. Can you shoot?

[00:48:11] What? Can you punch? No. Do you know how to fish? No. Do not set a trap. I can sing. You're useless. Okay. I know. I had some questions. I think they've been answered. So yes, this is directed by Donald Glover. Have they been answered? Well, some.

[00:48:37] And it was like, okay, Donald Glover is directing it and starting the movie. Right. The soundtrack has songs by Chauders Gambino meaning that's also a Donald Glover. But he is performing songs as Chauders Gambino for the soundtrack. Okay. Got it.

[00:48:52] So let's like we have a kind of a sci-fi out of fish out of water type of story, a little bit of a lost and island type of motif to it. Right. A pot I lived in. Yeah. Very interesting.

[00:49:09] I mean, not the film I would've expected for Donald Glover to make. But it looks interesting. I'm on board. Yeah. I'm on board. This is, I like the fact. What I don't like. You know, we talk about teasers. Let me.

[00:49:25] Don't like when we see a teaser and it's like two years before the film comes out. Yeah. It's like really far into dance. And then you get so many trailers because they're trying to permit the movie.

[00:49:35] But they put them out so early that then you feel like you've seen the whole film. We've seen like 20, some minutes of the film in a way out of an hour and a half movie. Right. Right. Where this film is coming out in 2024.

[00:49:46] This is the first I've even heard of it. Yeah. And I don't feel like the teaser just gives you enough or you're like, okay, I kind of got to feel for it. The one thing I will say, which I don't remember.

[00:49:56] Like I said, I haven't seen Guava Island but from his performance in solo, which I did like. I like one of the people who did like solo. I definitely liked his Lando Cal Rissian in solo. Yeah.

[00:50:08] It appears that there are moments of humor provided by not on cover. And I hope that those weren't just the only two things we got to see in the trailer because

[00:50:17] I liked kind of the, it is kind of a fish out of water, you know, Bandos Stone is who he's playing as a parently guy who is a popular musician or at least in his head. In his head or in the past or something like that.

[00:50:30] We don't really know. Yeah. I hope that I hope that continues through the film because it worked really well for me in the trailer. But yeah. I'm interested in it. So. Yeah. Okay. Two things I think you need to watch. Okay. You need to watch community.

[00:50:45] I've heard it's good. Okay. It really is good. It's, it's, it's, and it's definitely better by like second season on first season. It's a little more traditional sitcom, you know, not at quite as intelligent or smart as it could be by the second season. It's really good.

[00:51:00] In Donald Glover, please also have a very different character than I think you probably have been used to seeing him in other media. Okay. The second thing is there's a show he did, um,

[00:51:11] Mr. and Mrs. Smith on Amazon, a television show that's kind of a reboot remake of the Brad Pitt Angelina Jolie, Mr. Mr. Smith moving. Got you. But he made this with my, uh, I forget her last name. That might have happened. No. No. But it's also very good.

[00:51:32] Okay. Enjoyed it quite a bit. He's very good in it. Okay. I've played two very, very different characters. But you see him in community is on the comedy side for sure. Mr. Smith, he's definitely playing a lot more dramatic role, but he's good in both. So he's good.

[00:51:49] He's really good. And this looks, this looks interesting. I hope it's good. I really do. He says coming out before the end of the year. I mean, the trailer said 2024. Okay. So I don't have a firm date on there, but sometimes later this year.

[00:52:02] You know, I will say I hope it's yet another holiday release. So three films we've just talked about. Girl, a lot's over the holidays. Yeah. Coming in the November December timeframe that would make for a really interesting.

[00:52:13] Here's the season and the comment on the point you made about trailers that, you know, yes, it's always kind of a problem when trailers will come out so early and there would be so many versions of trailers and all this.

[00:52:22] I love the fact that all three of the movies and maybe this has been a little bit more of a trend this past year or so. Have all been trailers that I didn't know anything about the movie were very little about it. Trailer comes out.

[00:52:34] The trailers coming out four or five months or out from the film, maybe in case of Bandou Stone it could just be a few months.

[00:52:41] I don't know, but we're not looking at any more than six months out for any of these films from seeing the trailer, which would I like for it to be a little closer.

[00:52:48] Would I like for a trailer come out maybe three months before the movie and that would get me excited. Yeah, but sure six months is okay. We're not dealing with the whole year in advance saying stuff all throughout the year, which I think is good.

[00:52:59] I think maybe Hollywood realized that kind of burnout or built up a lot more expectations for films and didn't pay off for them in the end. So anyway, all right, well, that is the three trailers we've got, not for all two coming out in December.

[00:53:14] We have here coming out in November. And we've got Bandou Stone in the new world sometime this year. Right. Six months. So, all right, Chris that sounds great. Three interesting films to be looking out for. And that wraps us up for today that is our show.

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