Frozen Empire of the American Society of Magical Negroes

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[00:00:52] Chris, how's it going today? It's going well. I'm looking forward to talking about all the matchups

[00:00:58] from March Madness that happened this past weekend. Is that what we do on this show?

[00:01:02] I love basketball, college basketball and then maybe if we have a little time, we'll talk movies.

[00:01:08] But mostly basketball. Now I do wish I had another podcast just about NCAA tournament because I,

[00:01:15] this is my favorite time of the year, Chris. There's Oscar season and there's NCAA tournament time.

[00:01:21] Those are kind of my two peak times where I'm like, I get all excited and things are happening.

[00:01:25] I understand. Yes, my brain is a little bit on basketball today but I'm trying to steer it away

[00:01:30] and give back over to movies which is what we actually sit down to record every week when we do this show.

[00:01:36] Today's episode we will be reviewing and discussing the new Ghost Busters movie called Ghost Busters,

[00:01:44] Colin Frozen Empire. I don't like that name. We'll be discussing that movie as well as I'll get to hear a little bit of Chris's thoughts on the previous

[00:01:55] Ghost Busters movie which I've never heard him talk about because you just saw it recently.

[00:01:59] Yes, I saw it recently. The Ghost Busters after a life movie.

[00:02:02] We'll kind of get a little bit of glimpse into his thoughts on that one in a way.

[00:02:05] We actually didn't review it on the show now.

[00:02:08] Now listeners don't know your thoughts on it as well. That's true.

[00:02:10] That's true. They don't. So we'll be talking about the latest Ghost Busters movies.

[00:02:14] I've got some news items to share along the way as well.

[00:02:18] A little bit of an update on the Joker movie. I don't know if you've heard some news on that Chris but some interesting things.

[00:02:25] Yeah, some interesting little things. Timothy Shalamay is playing Bob Dylan.

[00:02:30] Did we know about that?

[00:02:31] I did. I think I actually saw on the intro photos.

[00:02:34] There's a photo.

[00:02:35] The sweet and some photos of him.

[00:02:36] Yeah, well, I got some details on that production.

[00:02:38] What's going on.

[00:02:39] And then our favorite Ghost with the most is back since we're talking Ghost.

[00:02:44] I thought we might want to at least just kind of knowledge the back to AT's or trailer for Beetle Juice Beetle Juice has emerged.

[00:02:52] And I just want to give some thoughts on that really quick as well.

[00:02:55] We're going to do all of that and then Chris is going to wrap up the show with us with a kind of a one-sided review because I was too slack to get out to the theater to see this film where Chris will be discussing the film The American Society of Magical Negroes for us.

[00:03:09] Giving his review of that film, will it be a recommendation?

[00:03:13] Will it be an anti-recommendation?

[00:03:15] We'll wait and see at the end of the episode.

[00:03:17] So Chris there's a lot going on.

[00:03:19] We're going to talk about, but let's get into our first review if that's okay with you.

[00:03:23] Sure, let's do it.

[00:03:24] All right. Here we are talking about Ghost Busters, Frozen Empire.

[00:03:29] For the first time in New York history, a womb full of people rose to death in July.

[00:03:38] It's an unimaginable evil with the power to kill by fear itself.

[00:03:44] Like literally scared to death?

[00:03:48] Now it's headed straight for us.

[00:03:54] It's something to have to get out.

[00:03:56] Many things.

[00:04:00] It's commanding an army of the undead.

[00:04:04] I think we're all going to die.

[00:04:06] Hold on, you're in!

[00:04:12] This could bring about the end of humankind.

[00:04:17] Ghost Busters Afterlife was released in November of 2021.

[00:04:26] Audiences were slowly returning to theaters, eager to put the pandemic behind them.

[00:04:30] And some as eager to forget the 2016 divisive reboot of the franchise that starred an all-female Ghost Busting Squad.

[00:04:38] Ghost Busters, Frozen Empire, picks up after the events of Afterlife with the Spangler family having relocated from a small town at Oklahoma.

[00:04:47] Back to the Firehouse in New York City with the original Ghost Busting team from the 1984 film based their operations.

[00:04:55] An ancient evil force is accidentally unleashed that wreaks havoc and threatens a second ice age.

[00:05:03] Who are you going to call?

[00:05:06] Who am I going to call?

[00:05:08] Are you going to call the makers of this film and shame them? What would you make of the film?

[00:05:14] Okay.

[00:05:16] You can relay that back to Afterlife if you need to because I will have to.

[00:05:21] I do think there are a piece that one...

[00:05:28] You're enjoyment of one kind of has some impact on the enjoyment of the second or non-enjoyment, whenever it may be.

[00:05:35] Because it does keep on with the same characters that we're introduced to in Afterlife.

[00:05:42] Paul Rudd as Gary Grooberson.

[00:05:45] Carrie Coon is Callie Spangler, Finn Wolfhard as Trevor Spangler and then McKinna Grace as Phoebe Spangler.

[00:05:52] Yes, three of them have the last name Spangler.

[00:05:54] If you haven't seen these movies they are related to Egon Spangler from the original Ghost Busters movie.

[00:06:01] Carrie Coon plays his daughter and of course now that he has grandchildren with the two others.

[00:06:07] They befriend Paul Rudd's character Gary Grooberson and Afterlife.

[00:06:11] He's a teacher in that...

[00:06:12] He's a teacher, small town in Oklahoma.

[00:06:14] Yeah.

[00:06:15] So after Life took place in Oklahoma which was kind of an odd creative choice to put the Ghost Busters franchise out there.

[00:06:22] I liked Afterlife in general.

[00:06:27] I felt like that movie leaned way too hard into nostalgia and to try to play every note it could to appease the Ghost Busters fans and not be its own movie as much as it could have.

[00:06:39] So in a way, I think you also which is why I kind of mentioned this setup.

[00:06:44] You kind of have to reference the 2016 All Female cast because that in my opinion, because that obviously all female doing something different

[00:06:56] and overall people weren't that fond of it.

[00:06:59] And so they then kind of went to Afterlife.

[00:07:02] Yeah, you get your record as liking it.

[00:07:05] So then they went to Afterlife and kind of veered.

[00:07:07] You can't help but think they listened to the hub on line and it's like okay you didn't like the All Female thing us doing something different and not really keeping the same original...

[00:07:16] Okay we're going to go completely.

[00:07:19] And we're going to have to...

[00:07:21] We're going to acknowledge original cast, the original story.

[00:07:23] We're going to make a true sequel to this.

[00:07:25] But we're going to go stylistically and tonally very differently.

[00:07:28] Which I mean I thought Afterlife, afterlife to be played more like a Spielberg film than it did at Ghost Busters film.

[00:07:37] And I'm not saying that's bad.

[00:07:38] I'm just saying it was different.

[00:07:39] I think it didn't quite grab as many audiences as it could have because everybody wanted they wanted the same old ghost busters

[00:07:45] I want people riding around shooting ghosts and all that and there was obviously some of that but not a lot. It was a lot more

[00:07:52] family drama and kind of

[00:07:54] Until it got to the point of saying no, we're just gonna replay beat by beat the original ghost busters movie

[00:08:00] Within the plot of the film. That's when it kind of lost me a little bit

[00:08:03] I felt like it went too deep and didn't start up so all that to be said I

[00:08:08] Like after life I like what they were doing. I like style tone of it

[00:08:12] I I generally like the new characters that we're introduced to in afterlife, so I'm good on afterlife

[00:08:21] It's obvious to me that with frozen empire which is what we're actually review

[00:08:24] I guess I should get to that now. Well you know there's a lot of it hard. Yeah

[00:08:28] Frozen Empire it's very painfully obvious to me the filmmakers said okay

[00:08:33] Look after life wasn't as big a hit as it could have been and audiences didn't love it as much as it so let's

[00:08:39] Really go back to making a ghost busters movie like the original

[00:08:44] And look I

[00:08:46] Get it. I know why they did that and overall as a ghost busters movie

[00:08:51] It was fine. I think I think it worked okay. It was slightly humorous

[00:08:58] slightly entertaining

[00:09:00] I mean it there's the quote for the craft well slightly entertaining it was

[00:09:05] I mean I think is I'm not gonna. I can't walk away and say that there were

[00:09:09] parts of this film that just bulged me over that were just so great

[00:09:13] entertaining or super funny or whatever no

[00:09:15] It was it was ghost busters light is what I can take away from it

[00:09:19] What I did like about it is I still like these new characters

[00:09:24] That we were introduced to in afterlife although they really short-changed

[00:09:28] Most of them in this movie in favor of let's bring back the original members

[00:09:33] Which I thought was a big mistake. I did not understand why we needed to have Bill Murray who looked like he was asleep half

[00:09:40] This movie my goodness

[00:09:43] I would think he would almost pay not to be in this movie. He looks so I love Bill Murray at this movie

[00:09:50] does not he this he was not on board for this movie and

[00:09:54] I'll tell you of the original ghost busters in this movie Dan Ackroyd was the one. I'm like okay

[00:09:59] he actually kind of

[00:10:01] He had a role he had a purpose in this movie and

[00:10:05] I was okay with him being in it

[00:10:08] I just was have been okay if he was the only one and we didn't feel the need to pack in everybody else from the old

[00:10:14] Old original anyway, I'm dancing around a whole lot to say this movie was

[00:10:19] Barely entertaining enough for me to say even better somewhat entertaining

[00:10:25] Bearing time with it, but am I gonna say that I was still ultimately feel like they're just not quite hitting where they need to hit with this

[00:10:32] Yeah, I think it's still think they're off base on this

[00:10:36] After life was a little off base in one direction

[00:10:38] This one was a little off base in a slightly different direction, but there's still not quite hitting where they need to be with this franchise

[00:10:44] Even though I think the elements are there to do it they just they they I don't know if it's the story

[00:10:50] They just didn't know how to utilize the characters and utilize the plot. I don't know if it was still this over reliance on nostalgia

[00:10:57] Having to bring back so many elements from the original that they didn't need anymore

[00:11:00] I don't know so

[00:11:03] Barely entertaining

[00:11:04] So I'm gonna say Chris

[00:11:06] I want to hear your thoughts though

[00:11:07] What which are thoughts on frozen empire and the where ghost busters are right now in general sure so

[00:11:13] You know kind of what you were saying

[00:11:17] Was it I'll answer your question kind of you were laying out there at the end and the answer is yes

[00:11:22] Overreliance there were problems with the story and then over reliance on the cast from you know the original 1984 film

[00:11:29] Yes, and to me that's what's wrong with this film

[00:11:32] If we look at

[00:11:34] The last three movies that's 2016 ghost busters which apparently is called

[00:11:40] Ghostbusters hype or colon like answer the call which is bizarre

[00:11:46] But anyways that movie 2016 and then afterlife and frozen empire

[00:11:50] So you look at the three of those and pretend they're on like a scale. Okay, the 2016 ghost busters

[00:11:56] They like wasn't successful like brought the scale well down

[00:11:59] Then they put after life on there and I feel like that kind of balanced out

[00:12:03] I'm where you are with afterlife

[00:12:05] I liked it. I just recently saw it now

[00:12:08] Did I appreciate it because it had been ragged on and torn down expectation wise

[00:12:13] I didn't even see it when it came out because I wasn't I wasn't excited to see a film

[00:12:17] I didn't bother seeing it and just caught up with this so I actually watched it and

[00:12:23] I kind of liked it yeah

[00:12:25] But I knew

[00:12:26] Because I've been warned by you that a lot of the original beats from the 84 film were in this film now

[00:12:32] When it's I was watching with my wife and she's like dude. They're literally doing this and like yeah

[00:12:37] But I feel like they were kind of like

[00:12:40] To me at least they're again expectations way down kind of winking and leaning into it really hard like really

[00:12:47] But yeah to me there was a little bit of comedy and

[00:12:49] The superstar of afterlife to me which I like him anyway was Paul Rudd. Oh, okay. I thought you're gonna say McKinna Gray's both

[00:12:57] No, no

[00:12:59] She's okay

[00:13:02] I don't like her apparently as much as lots of other people do

[00:13:05] Um, but anyways

[00:13:06] I really liked Paul Rudd and the humor that he was able to bring in the first one really worked too because it was just kind of this

[00:13:13] I don't know

[00:13:14] He makes a joke about a stripper pole at one point just very it kind of channeled

[00:13:18] Original Bill Murray human away which I think is what they were going for anyway

[00:13:21] So let's let's move forward to like frozen empire and what does that do their scales?

[00:13:26] I feel like like you were saying it over compensated

[00:13:30] For afterlife and so now it's like weighing it down again. So I

[00:13:35] Didn't really have a good time with frozen empire. I feel like I will say let's let's start off with some good here

[00:13:42] The one thing that I thought frozen empire improved on from afterlife

[00:13:47] Even though didn't bother me with afterlife that much but

[00:13:50] It improved on coming up with a new plot point story of the frozen empire that's kind of in the title

[00:13:57] This ancient evil that comes on so they had something new to do so you didn't know like oh there's gonna be a gatekeeper

[00:14:04] There's gonna be the now did they still come up with somewhat lame terms to key master this time

[00:14:08] It was firemaster flame master. I know

[00:14:11] Kind of like but you're right. I realize a it was I almost equated to like you know

[00:14:15] I know as a ghost busters animated cartoon show in every week

[00:14:19] They would have a new bill another this is kind of the they had a new villain of the week and you know that at least was at least

[00:14:25] It wasn't goes are yeah, it wasn't you know

[00:14:29] Bringing up old names or my fear was that they were gonna do a repeat of ghost busters to

[00:14:35] Vigo that the you know bring him back somehow I'm like no good. This is all new

[00:14:39] I'm like that so I thought that was a strength of the film now the problem for me was it got so weighed down

[00:14:47] With I just feel like there were too many characters

[00:14:50] There's too many can bring it and bringing back the old characters all of them that could because Harold ramens his

[00:14:55] Past away which they handled that in afterlife. They brew my now unlike you

[00:15:00] Don't worry. Yes, totally checked out

[00:15:02] I felt like Dan Acroid was trying really really really really hard

[00:15:08] He was he was good because that's his role is you know

[00:15:11] He does as Ray. He is kind of a nerdy trying really hard guy

[00:15:15] See was okay, but maybe just he was dialed up a little bit too much for me now the person who I actually

[00:15:21] Dan Acroid to me in general

[00:15:23] Fair enough

[00:15:24] But the one that I actually appreciated his own present screen a present on screen was actually Ernie Hudson

[00:15:29] Yeah, as Winston because he just seemed to be he what I guess because he could be there

[00:15:34] Just as kind of to help move things along. He wasn't trying to get a lot of laughs

[00:15:39] He was just there to but he well, but he I thought he was really good in his portion

[00:15:43] The reason I like Ernie Hudson's role and I like Dan Acroid's role is that they played a role

[00:15:48] They had a purpose better than Bill Murray

[00:15:50] Because Eddie I like the way that they've set up where Eddie is now

[00:15:56] Hudson is now he's he kind of runs the Ghostbusters right enterprise which I think that's a cool idea

[00:16:01] It is great. Yeah, I'm taking him his experience

[00:16:04] He's now become the kind of the corporate head of this and it makes perfect sense Dan Acroid's the one who

[00:16:10] Annudcially his character was the one who believed in all this back in the original Ghostbusters

[00:16:14] He was really the most passionate about it and here he is now kind of living a very

[00:16:19] Small simple life, but he gets to be wrapped back into this and he's excited about it

[00:16:23] So I think those two roles were great

[00:16:25] Bill Murray's no had no purpose

[00:16:27] And also the same goes for

[00:16:30] Janine yeah

[00:16:32] Any parts too, but she was pointless in this film also

[00:16:36] I love an afterlife they used her just enough that it was okay

[00:16:39] But in this one yet it's like when they put a cost on the uniform honor and like she's a Ghostbusters

[00:16:44] I'm okay, no that's you're just playing to the cheap seats now at this point at the end of the film

[00:16:49] You know we won't spoil or anything but into the film there were so many cast members

[00:16:54] And if the conclusion is just like you get a proton pack you get a proton pack everybody gets a proton pack

[00:16:58] They were like felt like 15 or 30 Ghostbusters running around and it's just like okay

[00:17:03] This is at one point actually towards the conclusion

[00:17:06] I'd have to see the film again to remember exactly why he checked out but at one point

[00:17:11] I was like where's Finn Wolfhardt? There were so many people like running around and then he like shows back

[00:17:15] I'm like, okay

[00:17:16] There he is now he's here for the big conclusion, but I was like that's part of the problem is I felt like

[00:17:22] I wanted to see more okay look this whole premise of you know

[00:17:25] You've got the the spangler family from afterlife the three of them and you've got Grooberson now with them

[00:17:31] So there's a force him

[00:17:32] It was a little bit of a logical leap between movies to be like okay

[00:17:36] So these four are now the Ghostbusters

[00:17:39] They bother me. No, it's like I kind of like once I got adjusted that in the first few minutes

[00:17:43] I'm like okay fine

[00:17:45] I don't know how we got here but go for it and I tell you the opening sequence the four of them driving around

[00:17:52] Busting there like the first ghost we see like almost like a little mini mini little adventure was fun

[00:17:58] I'm like okay, this is what this film is gonna give us as these four and we're kind of building this relationship between them and we're seeing them kind of

[00:18:06] Work as a team and do these things. I'm like that's cool

[00:18:08] I want to see that but then it kind of forgot about those four and just kind of splintered them all up and added in

[00:18:15] All these other characters so the point where it just kind of lost its vision of that

[00:18:19] I'm like that was an entertaining scene that was a good moment for me to say

[00:18:23] I see what this movie's trying to do now

[00:18:25] But then it just got lost side of it so in improv a lot of times which is not in problem

[00:18:29] And I are giving a review but they'd often do this thing where they say yes and right and so I'm going to say yes and or in this case

[00:18:35] Yes, but for me

[00:18:38] So yes that opening sequence was a perfect encapsulation of the movie because it was exciting

[00:18:44] It was like okay. This is a traditional ghostbusters movie

[00:18:46] They're running through town like zapping buildings and kind of doing some damage

[00:18:50] Yeah, but they are after it goes to okay

[00:18:53] Good, but in that opening scene two things kind of gave me a

[00:18:59] yellow flag

[00:19:01] In afterlife the character of Phoebe socially awkward. Yeah

[00:19:05] And she's still socially awkward in this one which is fun

[00:19:08] But in the first film they use this thing where she would tell jokes that would kind of fall flat

[00:19:13] But that actually has a really cool payoff in that film at the end

[00:19:18] She'd actually work like it's it's good. I'll really really really really liked that three line in that film

[00:19:24] This film in the opening scene when they're doing that chase

[00:19:27] She throws out this shit and I'm like oh man

[00:19:29] And that I was like anything had continued if they had some kind of payoff again like maybe it would have worked

[00:19:34] But no, it was just like uh-oh yeah, they're kind of true not only are they

[00:19:40] In this film not only are they gonna capitalize off nostalgia for the original ghost

[00:19:43] They're gonna try to capitalize for nostalgia from a 2021 film afterlife like oh remember this thing

[00:19:49] Remember how that was cool in the 2021. Oh, this is gonna be and annoying that in the same like sequence

[00:19:54] They do the joke thing and then the thing that was kind of unique about afterlife was the side gunner chair

[00:20:01] That Phoebe got to use her and they trought that out and knowing that they don't know just like you but they make a big deal about it

[00:20:08] Well Tim and I was like, but I did just that was yeah, they're just relying too much. Yeah too much the jokes

[00:20:15] I'm with you. I'm okay

[00:20:17] I agree with you on that the gunner chair the the little flying

[00:20:23] The drone thing all the things that they introduced in the first the afterlife movie

[00:20:27] They bring back to show you that they've kind of got it mastered now

[00:20:30] They're like doing it. I'm like I'm cool with this

[00:20:32] This is what I wanted to see like in in an afterlife. They're learning this stuff

[00:20:36] They're figuring it out and this one now. They're a little more pros at it. They've got they've been doing it

[00:20:40] It's like I tell you got that so that I guess if they had if they had treated her using the chair

[00:20:46] Like they treated the drone part out of been fine because the drone parts didn't bother you something about

[00:20:51] I don't know there was there was just something about it was closed

[00:20:56] But okay, and then so I mentioned the nostalgia for

[00:21:00] After life which is only 2021 but throwing out scenes like the New York public library scene

[00:21:06] And I was just like oh and okay, I'm like it almost worked because you're like oh there's a sub-library and you're like oh

[00:21:13] Okay, so maybe it wasn't in with the statues out front like okay, maybe

[00:21:18] Maybe it's gonna be okay, but Dan Acroid

[00:21:22] Has a moment that is exactly like that to me was

[00:21:27] I am I am completely on board with you

[00:21:30] When they kind of recreate that library and like there was no point for that

[00:21:34] There was no point other than

[00:21:35] Look what we did right in the library again

[00:21:37] So of course the Dan Acroid has to see the same ghost that freaked him out in the library in the first movie

[00:21:42] That was yeah, that was inexcusable to me. Yeah, it didn't build

[00:21:47] And it didn't make sense. It was just like a dirt. No, it didn't make sense

[00:21:50] We're okay, so yeah, I don't understand it

[00:21:54] No, I love the sub basement the whole pat and Oswald kind of makes appearance and the sub basement

[00:21:59] He was a care although he plays into the too many characters in this movie. Yeah

[00:22:05] I liked his role

[00:22:06] I liked the scenes with him in it, but then like he's gone and we never saw him again

[00:22:10] He was in there for like five minutes and I think I agree

[00:22:14] So to like you know suffers from some of the sins of after like a lot of cameo

[00:22:18] You know just but pat and Oswald worked what if

[00:22:22] All through this that because you and I are kind of on the same page about bringing back the original cast even though you liked Ray

[00:22:27] You like Dan Acrois stuff. I thought he was okay. Maybe doubt too high if you didn't have Ray at all

[00:22:34] You could have pat and Oswald provide some of that geek lore

[00:22:38] You know how they were a little repetitive those two

[00:22:41] They did say like you could have just used pat and Oswald which would have been a new character

[00:22:44] But you wouldn't have had the tag along of the okay, and you wouldn't have needed it. No, it's true. I could see that no

[00:22:49] I thought

[00:22:51] Even though I thought he was

[00:22:53] It was distracting because it was coming on on Gianni who I like him

[00:22:56] But using him and kind of like depending on him so much in this film

[00:23:01] It kind of hurt a little bit

[00:23:02] But at least he played along to the new

[00:23:05] Story line but because he was the flame or firemaster. It was a little

[00:23:09] Clunky, I think I think our review is some is explaining a lot of the problem is we've rattled off so many characters

[00:23:15] So many different plot beats in this movie and that is the problem is it's just too much

[00:23:20] We haven't even gotten to I could mention two more characters who carried over from afterlife

[00:23:28] Which I get but they just didn't give them anything podcast

[00:23:31] There's podcasts and even worse than that. There's lucky which when I was talking with my wife

[00:23:35] She's like who's lucky again? I'm like, that's the girl from after like she's like oh

[00:23:39] Somehow now she is a shows up in New York

[00:23:41] Yeah, oh, I'm here intern. I'm here and I'm an expert now in these fields and you know

[00:23:45] And I get to throw around a proton pack. It's like it's just like there's a lot of leaps of faith

[00:23:50] I will say I ragged on

[00:23:53] When you and I talked casually about afterlife and I was telling you about that movie years ago

[00:23:56] Yes, I ragged on the fact that they had a character named podcast in the movie

[00:24:00] Which I thought was just kind of dumb

[00:24:02] And podcasts is still in this movie. I did not podcast has grown up so much

[00:24:08] I did not recognize I didn't request but he's also a lot better now like he is a better character

[00:24:13] Actually, I thought the hid the stuff with he and him and Dan Acroid was actually really funny and really good so like

[00:24:20] Cool, if that's the angle they're gonna play with this podcast went with them up to New York again

[00:24:24] podcast unheavy parents and get podcasts

[00:24:27] It's just okay that he just took off with this random family to go to New York now for Michael Homa

[00:24:32] Anyway, right a lot of leaps of faith judgment

[00:24:34] We have to take with how this entire cast has now moved to New York and what they're doing

[00:24:39] Doesn't he at one point pretend that his he called or his parents called he was like air point noises

[00:24:45] He says he's a but he says he's like at an oh and an internship down in Alabama at the space center

[00:24:51] Michael K. Well, that's even weaker or so yeah anyway

[00:24:56] I get why they had to move to New York because again

[00:24:58] I just think the franchise needed them to be in New York yet that wasn't the problem to bring all the characters with them

[00:25:05] I would have been happy if it was just

[00:25:07] the three

[00:25:08] Spangler

[00:25:10] And then Grooberson tags along because he's now kind of a adopted stepfather and I call him tagamong Gary

[00:25:16] That's what I call him and the four of them that's the only four that we needed to come from

[00:25:21] After life and I would have been fine with that. Yeah, agreed

[00:25:24] Honestly, this movie could have worked a lot better if you just bolt it down to the four of them

[00:25:28] yeah, and then you bring in the Ernie Hudson

[00:25:31] Character as kind of the head of the Ghostbusters

[00:25:34] Enterprise I'm saying

[00:25:37] Take Dan Acroid and maybe eliminate the Pat Pattin Oswald character and let Dan Acroid be

[00:25:42] The role that Pat Nozzle will play

[00:25:44] Yeah, let Dan Acroid be just knowing some people still want to see the original

[00:25:48] Hatchin take over the path. This is his life

[00:25:50] He was all about the coach and learning about that you don't need both

[00:25:53] I was saying keep pat Nozzle get rid of Dan Acroid for your life either

[00:25:57] I got you there's no point bringing in a brand new character pat Nozzle when you've got race dance right there

[00:26:02] Go to talk about history and lore and all this get rid of Bill Murray

[00:26:07] I'm sorry he didn't want to be a you know. I'm sorry get rid of any pots

[00:26:11] She's great, but she plays no role in this film get rid of the two people that tag along from afterlife podcast and

[00:26:18] Well definitely like see podcast. I'm okay with find a read find a better reason for podcasts to be in New York

[00:26:24] About Lars Pennfield

[00:26:26] You didn't tell me who that is we didn't need him right? I mean there was another new employee of the Ghostbusters

[00:26:32] People didn't need him no. No, I just too many characters too many plot beats and this thing

[00:26:37] I agreed I will say on a positive

[00:26:39] I did really like the look and the vibe of the villain

[00:26:42] I did too although it was a little underused

[00:26:45] I thought the ending with the climax was very underwhelming is kind of like

[00:26:49] That's it so we're done now okay

[00:26:52] Is and I can't expect in kind of a something to happen afterwards

[00:26:55] But never did because it was kind of an anti-climactic or really fizzle of an ending

[00:27:00] But the villain was cool. I mean I like the villain look really cool one. I like the big baddie. I also appreciated

[00:27:07] Kind of like a shadow. I don't want to say well

[00:27:10] I'm just gonna use the term because it's not exactly spot on but a shadow henchman that kind of

[00:27:15] Enable some things that I don't want to ruin anything. Well, but I really really really really liked that whole sub plot that whole

[00:27:23] Supply with the the young girl. I'm not even gonna well. Yeah, yeah

[00:27:28] I would just say it involves Phoebe. Yes

[00:27:30] Involved Phoebe and a friendship. Yeah, that's developed there and we're just gonna leave it at that

[00:27:35] But I thought that I with you. I thought that was fascinating

[00:27:37] I really thought that was probably the best plot point of the film

[00:27:41] That I enjoyed. I was a most intrigued by man

[00:27:44] They could have done a little more with it right

[00:27:47] But overall I thought that was good so yeah, I'm I'm batting about

[00:27:52] It's a little more than 50 50 on this film. I'm gonna go 60 40 positives and negative. I mean, I think in overall

[00:27:58] There's a little more here that I still ultimately found okay than not

[00:28:03] but it's still just

[00:28:05] I think it was a little

[00:28:07] I can't I only know how to equate it to afterlife like whether I felt oh, I felt I definitely know you felt better about after

[00:28:14] After life and I did enjoy some of the entertainment value a little bit more here than then I did

[00:28:22] After life, but I like the character development and

[00:28:25] The cast a lot more in their roles in afterlife

[00:28:30] Carrie-Koon is Collie Spangler. I thought she was great in afterlife. I really liked her character was she was interesting here

[00:28:37] She was nothing. I mean it's like what is her role? Like who is who was her character? We don't know

[00:28:43] All I know is that she seems like to kind of a grumpy mom like I that's it

[00:28:47] And that's because they didn't give it these four original. They had too many characters much time to do anything

[00:28:53] Yeah, I don't I think all rug was criminally underused in this he was also yeah and I and

[00:28:59] And unfortunately the one thing that was like basically like his big joke

[00:29:04] They'd ruined in the trailer and my wife my wife which

[00:29:08] Never really says anything during movies or whatever. I mean she will sometimes come in

[00:29:12] But I often joke if we see a movie during the trailers and they play it

[00:29:16] And I think they're like I rolling things that really hate. I'll just give kind of the thumbs down

[00:29:21] When he started doing the joke from the trailer which I can spoil because everybody if you see the show

[00:29:25] Where he's like basically sings the song he doesn't sing but he just talks the song

[00:29:30] You know there's something bad. Yeah, who are you gonna call her like busted makes me feel good

[00:29:33] She just reached over and just like gave me the thumbs down. I'm like it's ball run

[00:29:38] But she's like no

[00:29:40] If not working trailer would have been really funny, right? And I think yeah

[00:29:43] He was criminally underused both he and I think they're just too many characters

[00:29:47] He was I thought I loved his

[00:29:50] Stick and his time screen time in afterlife and yeah, I thought it really suffered here in frozen

[00:29:55] Well, I mean the same with Ben Wolfhardt. I mean again say what you want about him

[00:29:58] I'm not saying I like to his performance in either film

[00:30:02] But he's also yeah very little in this film right we have more of McKinna Grace which I like because I do like her character Phoebe

[00:30:10] I think she's to me a standout of that origin of that new cast

[00:30:14] um

[00:30:15] But all four of them were still much more underused than they should have been

[00:30:20] Because of all these other characters getting mixed in the mix added to the mix and then plot beats that just

[00:30:25] We're just a lot of extra plot added in just for the sake of adding plot and uh agree. Yeah, so it's uh

[00:30:33] It's tough. I mean and the film had the potential it had the bones to be a much better movie

[00:30:39] And it's just it got weighted down by its own

[00:30:42] Trying to satisfy all audiences by adding everything it could to this film and

[00:30:48] And in doing so I don't think it's gonna satisfy fully satisfy any audience

[00:30:52] You know can can we let the stay puff marshmallow man? Yes

[00:30:56] Please that was the one thing in afterlife. I thought was just ridiculous

[00:31:00] I did not like it an after life and I certainly did not like it here in this movie

[00:31:04] It's like I get it

[00:31:06] You want to have a call back to the big stifff marshmallow man how many

[00:31:10] How many moments do you need but having them in afterlife

[00:31:13] That was the grown worthy part for me in afterlife was that scene where the marshmallows

[00:31:19] Are animated and right doing silly things in the department store. I'm like that was so dumb

[00:31:24] And uh here they're added again. They're just all over the place and it was annoying

[00:31:30] Yeah

[00:31:31] Yeah, because the marshmallow man just did not fit the tone of

[00:31:36] afterlife

[00:31:37] You know at that movie

[00:31:39] Wanted to play things a little bit more grounded a little bit more serious a little bit more you know

[00:31:45] Emotional and then you add these little CGI marshmallow man doing silly things at a department store. I'm like okay

[00:31:52] That you lost me there, so

[00:31:55] Yeah, they need to die

[00:31:57] I made the mistake of staying after the credits to see if it was a little seen and the corsair was and unfortunately it involved

[00:32:04] Yes, the same friends which did not like yeah that yeah

[00:32:08] That was the nail in the cough and I was like already I wasn't a fan didn't yeah the burns like come on

[00:32:14] Let them go. Let them go. Yeah

[00:32:17] Well okay

[00:32:19] That was a lot more stream of conscious review discussion

[00:32:21] But I liked it was good we we kind of got through our thoughts of ghost busters frozen empire as well

[00:32:26] Hearing a little bit of thoughts of gross busters afterlife

[00:32:29] From us as well overall. I want this franchise to work

[00:32:33] I really do I think there's a fun franchise here

[00:32:36] I think they've got some fun interesting characters to work with they just need to let the new characters

[00:32:44] Do their thing? Hmm. They need to

[00:32:48] Keep the spirit of the original films. I think that's fine

[00:32:51] But not harken back and build in moments from the original films so much and rely on that

[00:32:56] You know the idea of a family that now is sitting in New York City

[00:33:00] In a fire department and running out and catching ghost you can have fun with that

[00:33:04] That is a fun premise and we have good people to work with on that just let them do it

[00:33:09] And uh, I

[00:33:11] Yeah, I think we just missed about with this one unfortunately

[00:33:13] Well, in the fact that there is an entity

[00:33:17] That is now called ghost core which I guess is like the

[00:33:20] Franchise building that they're gonna have like you know, it's like

[00:33:23] Twins entry fox right but they at the beginning it's like this is a ghost core

[00:33:27] production or whatever. I don't know

[00:33:29] Yeah, I don't know who I maybe

[00:33:32] One of the Ivan rightman Jason rightman maybe yeah

[00:33:35] Another of like ghost core or whatever that started up before after life

[00:33:39] Yeah, it was a met yeah ghost core was a yeah after life was a production of that so I

[00:33:43] I guess we are in for at least

[00:33:46] Another sequel probably um, we'll see and I'm fine with it just

[00:33:50] Hopefully they're inching further and further away from

[00:33:53] nostalgia right and just letting this be a truly new new set of characters and new stories

[00:33:59] I hope so I haven't given up on it but this I

[00:34:03] After life actually having seen it maybe got my expectations for this one up a little too high because I was like okay

[00:34:08] It's gonna work but then yeah, but so what we'll see

[00:34:12] All right, well that is ghost busters frozen empire. It is playing in movie theaters right now as we record this

[00:34:18] Uh, I'm gonna say if you liked afterlife

[00:34:23] You could go see this you may come away a little disappointed or you may come away with a kind of a neutral feeling like I did on it

[00:34:30] It was barely entertaining. I'm gonna stick by my quote on that

[00:34:34] Chris found it to be a little less than afterlife or less than afterlife from what afterlife had set up as a potential new premise

[00:34:40] Right um if you're a huge good if you're a big ghost busters hand

[00:34:44] I think you'll probably want to see this

[00:34:47] There's something there. Yeah, there's something there

[00:34:50] Okay, let's take a quick break Chris

[00:34:53] When we come back we're going to have some movie news that is kind of tease at the beginning of the show

[00:34:58] And we're also gonna have your review of the American Society of Magical Negroes

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[00:35:27] Welcome back to foot candle films here on the mesh.tv podcast network

[00:35:32] Allen and Chris here

[00:35:33] We had our review of ghost busters frozen empire at the top part of the show

[00:35:37] But Chris let's go ahead and now turn our attention to some movie news

[00:35:41] Okay, I like to comb the internet and find news items. We're regarding movies

[00:35:46] It has been said that sometimes I maybe spend more time reading about movies being made

[00:35:51] Then actually seeing the movies when they actually come out. Yeah, that's okay

[00:35:55] That's who I am I enjoy this stuff. So I do find a few news items. I'm gonna share with you

[00:36:01] I have a feeling you're probably aware of many of these items but let's just say to them and talk about a mini

[00:36:08] Sure

[00:36:09] um

[00:36:10] Because I think a couple weeks of combine we haven't talked about the Joker movie coming out Joker 2 or

[00:36:16] Joker of what were they calling it a folly ado. Yeah

[00:36:20] um

[00:36:22] This is the Todd Todd Phillips movie that is the sequel to the Joker that start walking Phoenix

[00:36:28] back and

[00:36:30] What year was the original Joker movie Chris my years all run together so bad. I never know

[00:36:37] uh, it was pre the pandemic

[00:36:40] 2019 okay, so right before that seems about maybe yeah, let's go with that

[00:36:46] So some information has been announced about this film I think they keep leaking out little tiny little tidbits

[00:36:53] Along the way trying to build up some anticipation for this film first tidbit

[00:36:58] I guess was a we're doing it right yeah and because for why it was like you know

[00:37:02] The whole DC things always been cloudy. It's like no these are in the universe

[00:37:05] These are not in the universe. This is a standalone. It's like nope. We're gonna have no surprise

[00:37:10] Joker was really popular while keen Phoenix won an Oscar

[00:37:13] Yeah, we're gonna do a sequel so that was kind of first thing and then I think the second was

[00:37:17] Lady Gaga got lady Gaga is playing

[00:37:20] Uh the Harley Quinn equivalent again

[00:37:23] We don't really I don't really know how they're going to be approaching her

[00:37:27] But that's kind of the understanding is that it's her basic

[00:37:30] A vibe of character in this film

[00:37:32] Then we heard it was going to be a musical

[00:37:35] Which that was probably the most interesting part which given that that Gaga was there you're like well

[00:37:40] Okay, but still I mean

[00:37:43] The Joker movie is going to be a musical like okay now the latest information we're hearing is that uh

[00:37:51] It is uh it's gonna be considered what they call a jukebox musical and by that they mean

[00:37:57] It's a musical where it's

[00:37:59] Famous songs being kind of redone and performed within the context of the film

[00:38:04] A la Mulan Rouge I should say me on Rouge comes to mind that's probably a very well-known example of that where yeah

[00:38:11] There weren't not any original songs in Mulan Rouge to my understanding. They were all cover songs that were performed

[00:38:17] But performed in the scope of the environment and in the storyline

[00:38:22] That seems to be what they're wanting to do here as well

[00:38:24] They're also mentioning mama me as another example of you know

[00:38:27] Which again that makes sense because that was based on the abba

[00:38:30] Yeah

[00:38:31] Disgography, but right still that's kind of the idea is that they are looking at this being a jukebox musical meaning there will be

[00:38:39] They're saying at least 15

[00:38:41] Different reinterpretations of very well-known songs inside the film

[00:38:47] The only one they've given as an example is that they said rumored to be is

[00:38:52] That's entertainment the song from the 1953 musical the bandwagon that is associated with Judy Garland

[00:38:58] So and you know what that brings to mind to me not originally it wasn't original song for the movie

[00:39:03] But I can see walking Phoenix and

[00:39:07] Lady Gaga singing that center-tainment while destroying an art museum like an original Batman with Michael Keaton

[00:39:13] He wasn't doing it but Jack Nicholson was prancing around to the print song party time and it like yeah that I

[00:39:19] I can see it. I can see that so bonus points to Chris fry for bringing up not only that scene

[00:39:24] But also identifying the correct song from the print soundtrack that went along with that I'm one of the five people that bought that oh no

[00:39:30] I was I was number four

[00:39:34] I played the bat dance quite quite a number of times and party time. Oh, yeah, that's great

[00:39:40] Okay, so some other specifics about the film so we obviously know we have walking Phoenix and lady Gaga

[00:39:46] Zazie Beats is coming back she was in the original Joker movie

[00:39:50] Don't know

[00:39:52] I knew that she was kind of apparently some I mean maybe me included. I don't know so long ago

[00:39:57] We saw but some people were theorizing she was gonna kind of be a Harley Quinn type person because they at that point

[00:40:02] You didn't know whether they were ever do it but they were they trying to use her is kind of like a friend of his or whatever

[00:40:07] So but that's interesting she's coming back and new additions to the cast

[00:40:12] Catherine Keener is going to be in the film interesting and Brendan Gleason

[00:40:17] Huh, yep both the two of them are new kind of characters in the story so

[00:40:23] Ah

[00:40:24] Yeah, I'm Carrie. I'm still very very curious on this. I think this and I think you and our both big fans in Milan Rouge. Oh, yeah

[00:40:32] so yeah, I

[00:40:35] I had my reservations about Joker

[00:40:38] But yeah, I can't help but be really interested in how this can it does come out this year correct

[00:40:45] Um, sure

[00:40:47] October 4th. Yes. Yeah, it's coming out this year

[00:40:50] Okay, but we haven't seen a trailer yet

[00:40:51] I assume that will probably come about April May. I hope I don't oh you will

[00:40:57] You will

[00:40:58] I'm not gonna seek it out

[00:41:00] Chris you need a tool or we both need to probably to really do this to ourselves

[00:41:06] We need to find out there's a way to find out at the AMC movie theater where you're not typically going to see

[00:41:11] We know that there's a good 25 minutes of stuff that plays before the film right in a good part of that is trailers

[00:41:18] We need a tool that tells us exactly the time that the movie starts

[00:41:22] And we make sure we walk into the theater at that time so that we don't see any trailers

[00:41:27] Are we gonna get our expectations up or we don't get spoiled or actually? I would like to do

[00:41:32] I would like to walk in right as Nicole Kibman is walking in that's what I want to I want to

[00:41:37] Prince into the theater just like you want to be walking

[00:41:43] Up to the steps as she's doing that as well because that's what usually like the trailers

[00:41:47] And then you have that and then you're like thank goodness the music we need an app yes, that will tell us for any movie theater chain

[00:41:53] That you're visiting

[00:41:55] For whatever show whatever movie

[00:41:57] What is the time Nicole Kidman walks into the movie theater because that's the time you need to walk in the movie theater

[00:42:02] To not see any trailers. I get I love trailers sure

[00:42:05] But I realize they are doing me more damage than good in my expectations of them actually

[00:42:09] So we'll just do one more request for the app that we're developing here

[00:42:13] Just give me a listing

[00:42:15] So if it's movies that I maybe I haven't heard of some like well

[00:42:18] Maybe I will see a trailer because this is not like yeah, like I don't want to see something for the Joker movie because

[00:42:25] I know I'm gonna see it. I don't want anything spoiled

[00:42:27] But if it's some random

[00:42:29] Indie budget film that I'm like well no

[00:42:31] I'll see that trailer so I don't mind because like if I didn't see the trailer

[00:42:35] Maybe I'd never see it because they didn't know about it

[00:42:37] But yeah, just give me a listing and then give me Nicole's walk in time

[00:42:40] So I kind of said like well

[00:42:42] Maybe I'll go ahead and the problem would be is if you wanted to see the second trailer

[00:42:47] That's true. Then you don't want to see a third or fourth trailer

[00:42:50] Then you're like what do you do right or you could just be like anybody else and just go and watch it online online

[00:42:55] The trailer you want to watch because they're all there that's true. That may be the way to do it. That's true

[00:42:59] Yeah, okay. All right. We're off track here

[00:43:01] But

[00:43:02] It was good good good theory good idea there we have sure so that is Joker

[00:43:07] Of am I saying that right Folly? I do Folly a dude close enough. I already take French so yeah

[00:43:13] So that is coming out October 4th. It's probably

[00:43:17] I'm not gonna say it's my most anticipated film for the rest of the year

[00:43:20] I'm just it's the most intriguing film for me the rest of the year because I'm really curious to see what they do

[00:43:25] Where they're going with this and how this place

[00:43:28] Especially compared to the success that the original had right it could it could be

[00:43:34] You know

[00:43:36] Yeah, it could be a huge like

[00:43:38] Boosted like if the rest of the year cinema is not being that great or something and then this comes out

[00:43:43] And it could be like a huge big huge deal again back in 2019 or whenever the first joker came out

[00:43:49] It was it was big right you know a lot of money right

[00:43:52] I mean I went to the movie theater twice ago. Oh well typically go to the movie theater a second time

[00:43:57] um

[00:43:58] Yeah, it made and I think a lot of people did that. It made a lot of money so

[00:44:02] Okay, Chris let's move on to another news item. I tease at the beginning of the show

[00:44:08] Uh Timothy Shalamey. Yes our favorite Timmy Timmy Shalamey

[00:44:13] uh is going to be playing

[00:44:16] Bob Dylan

[00:44:18] in a film directed by James Mangold

[00:44:22] Which is interesting he's done he did the Johnny Cash ring a fire right?

[00:44:26] I think he did yes. Okay, so he's done by a pack yeah

[00:44:29] He's also done like uh Wolverine movie but well and he did the indian and jones movie the last one that was played there

[00:44:35] But Timothy Shalamey as the iconic American musician Bob Dylan

[00:44:40] The movie is going to be titled a complete unknown

[00:44:43] Which is from a lyrical song and okay just it works. Uh, I'm okay with that

[00:44:47] Yeah, it's from like a Rolling Stone. Yeah, yeah, I got you

[00:44:49] And it's gonna follow Dylan's emergence in the New York folks scene during the 1960s after the singer songwriter

[00:44:56] Moves from Minnesota to New York

[00:44:58] So they have put out uh

[00:45:01] instead of like a

[00:45:03] Whole life story. It's very limited time frame it appears to be we think and I hope that's the case because I don't

[00:45:09] I don't want to see Timothy Shalamey with tons of makeup on

[00:45:13] Because 50 60 year old Bob Dylan so um, I hope they keep it in this time period okay

[00:45:19] They have put out a picture set photo of him and it's

[00:45:23] Timothy Shalame

[00:45:25] Dressed like you would expect Bob Dylan to be dressed the time looking all for Lauren and kind of

[00:45:30] Hopefully up in the sky

[00:45:33] But here's what I thought was interesting is that we do have some other people cast in this film to play other

[00:45:38] Famous people at the time okay

[00:45:40] L-fanning is gonna be in the films as Sylvia Russo

[00:45:45] Monica Barbaro will be Joan Baez

[00:45:47] Okay, Nick Offerman is gonna be in it as Alan Lomax

[00:45:52] And Boyd Halbrick will be Johnny Cash so we are gonna have some other

[00:45:56] Okay, musical affiliated people

[00:45:59] Yeah, the ones that are coming was obviously are Johnny Cash and Gen Baez

[00:46:03] Right. Yeah, yeah

[00:46:05] Uh supposedly Benedict Cumberbatch is supposed to be in the film playing the role of Pete Seger

[00:46:09] Which I'd have to look up and see who Pete Seger is oh you know who Pete Seger is um, I can't think of

[00:46:16] I say that and then I can't think of any of his songs right off the bat

[00:46:20] But you if you if you heard some Pete Seger songs you'd be like oh, yeah, I know who that did is um, I don't know what he looks like

[00:46:27] Um, I

[00:46:29] Is a folk singer there right?

[00:46:31] Yes

[00:46:32] But I definitely know the name Pete Seger now and then do some songs these done. I just blanking on it right now

[00:46:37] But um seems like a weird match to have Benedict Cumberbatch

[00:46:42] You weren't thinking about Bob's secret there right? Oh

[00:46:45] Maybe night moves yes

[00:46:47] That's not taking up

[00:46:48] Okay

[00:46:50] Benedict Cumberbatch is not playing Bob Seger. That would be amazing

[00:46:54] That's like that would be a really weird casting choice, but it would kind of be awesome

[00:46:58] Pete Seger is an American folk singer

[00:47:02] Back in the forties and fifties he's obviously I was like I know I heard see night moves

[00:47:07] That'd be amazing. Oh, and it's uh

[00:47:10] Still what's the one he does from uh what's the one uh Bob Seger song from uh risky business?

[00:47:17] Oh

[00:47:18] Old-time rockin' roll yeah

[00:47:20] No, Benedict Cumberbatch is not playing Bob Seger

[00:47:23] Okay, who got that all the way

[00:47:26] Yeah, you don't have to write any letters. We've we've already corrected ourselves sort of Alan's corrected me on the show

[00:47:31] So don't no Pete Seger

[00:47:33] Pete Seger's a folk singer. I'm not familiar with Pete Seger, but

[00:47:36] Clearly neither am I

[00:47:39] Then it to come back was going to play Pete Seger

[00:47:42] He dropped out because of a production delay

[00:47:44] So now Edward Norton has stepped in and is playing Pete Seger's folk singer

[00:47:48] so we got an interesting cast going on with this and uh yeah

[00:47:52] Ed Norton that's that's interesting. Yeah, huh

[00:47:58] Um

[00:47:59] Yeah even mangled kind of okay, this does answer our question

[00:48:02] This is all from variety by the way this article I'm reading from

[00:48:05] mangled as quoted when he was on the happy sad confused podcast last year speaking about the film

[00:48:10] He said quote the best true life movies are never

[00:48:14] Cradle to grave, but they're about a very specific moment

[00:48:18] And he says for this film is kind of an ensemble piece about this moment of time

[00:48:22] The early 60s in New York and the 17 year old kid was $16 in his pocket

[00:48:26] He's talking his way to New York to meet Whitty Guthrie who is in the hospital and dying of a nerve disease

[00:48:32] He sings Woody a song that is wrote for him and befriends Pete Seger

[00:48:35] Not Bob Seger

[00:48:37] The friends Pete Seger right who is like a son to Woody and pet Pete sets them up with gigs at local clubs

[00:48:43] And there you meet Jim Baez and all these other people who are a part of his world

[00:48:47] That is that's gonna be the film

[00:48:50] So okay, now like that approach sure. I want to see

[00:48:53] I want to see these form formative times

[00:48:56] I don't need to see

[00:48:58] Bob Seger going through the rest of his career in a film or top

[00:49:01] I don't need to see Bob Dylan

[00:49:02] Go ahead. I got Bob Seger on the mind. That's my fault

[00:49:05] Yeah, sorry. I take full responsibility

[00:49:07] so that is a complete unknown

[00:49:10] Searchlight Pictures is releasing it has not said a date yet

[00:49:13] I have film. We're gonna just assume it's gonna be October, November, right?

[00:49:17] I don't know. I mean you just seem like they're just now filming

[00:49:19] Okay, so we may not be yeah

[00:49:20] Okay, I don't know we may not be

[00:49:24] But maybe spring of the

[00:49:26] Who knows got you

[00:49:28] I also heard another tidbit that supposedly it's been announced that

[00:49:32] Timothy Chalamay will be singing his own stuff really

[00:49:36] That's what I heard did he sing for Wonka?

[00:49:40] You know, I think he did. I think you did so maybe that

[00:49:44] Yeah, I think he did. I don't remember hearing that he didn't and it sounded like him so

[00:49:48] Yeah, did Timothy Chalamay do his own throat

[00:49:51] Loud voice booming for Dune the din movies

[00:49:58] Now he's very talented. He is

[00:50:00] He is

[00:50:02] Not as talented as Bob Seger. No, he's not Bob Seger

[00:50:06] Right

[00:50:10] Okay, moving on to the last news item

[00:50:14] So I mentioned earlier that I thought you know joker 2 might

[00:50:19] Might not be my most anticipated movie of the year but it's probably my most intriguing movie like I'm most curious about

[00:50:26] Movie I'm not necessarily curious about but I am eagerly anticipating and

[00:50:31] This trailer that was just released for teaser trailers got me in the mood. So I'm ready on board to see it

[00:50:37] It is beetle juice beetle juice the beetle juice 2

[00:50:41] All right, if you want to refer to it the name is going to be beetle juice beetle juice

[00:50:44] Which I still check as a brilliant name a great yeah, I'm bored with that

[00:50:47] They released a tray a teaser of it

[00:50:49] It is a short trailer again

[00:50:51] I watched it because I'm a glutton for punishment. I have to watch these teaser trailers

[00:50:56] um

[00:50:57] And

[00:50:59] Yeah, I mean as far as teasing goes it accomplished its mission. I am properly teased

[00:51:05] Chris if you seen the teaser trailer for beetle juice beetle juice. I have not you have not do you wish to because I know

[00:51:10] If you don't want to don't see it

[00:51:12] I'm not gonna force it on you how how long is it it's very short okay

[00:51:16] Says the thing I don't want to see it but teaser typically are like less than 30 seconds or whatever like

[00:51:23] This is maybe more like a minute, but it

[00:51:26] It is a true teaser in that it

[00:51:28] There's no plot a lot of text on screen you just see like flashes of characters or whatever there's no plot reveal in this trailer

[00:51:35] Okay

[00:51:36] It's totally your call. I'm not gonna force it on you come on

[00:51:40] I can you can handle it. I'm probably gonna end up seeing it anyway

[00:51:42] It's gonna be in every movie theater from here on out anyway, so right fine

[00:51:46] We're going completely against what we just preached to get on a previous news item and we're gonna watch the teaser trailer for

[00:51:54] Beetle juice beetle juice here we go. Let's watch it

[00:52:12] Oh

[00:52:42] The juice is loose.

[00:53:02] I think not tooth spulmonary, right?

[00:53:12] Not tooth spulmonary and it just reminds me.

[00:53:15] I mean yeah, that I didn't mind seeing.

[00:53:17] I guess, didn't reveal too much but gave you a lot of signposts from the original film,

[00:53:23] The Covered Bridge which I saw it was like, oh that might have been cool not to see

[00:53:27] and now I've ruined it for everybody listening to this.

[00:53:29] But that was a big part in the original, like there's something that...

[00:53:32] I think it's just the fact that the movie does seem to take place in the same town.

[00:53:38] Right and you're like very reminiscent shots of like streets and like panty.

[00:53:43] Like yeah, it just...

[00:53:46] A lot of times when films wait this long kind of like, you like this film, me, top gun

[00:53:53] maverick.

[00:53:54] When you wait that long to do a sequence like well surely if they were looking to just

[00:53:59] cash in they would have done it five, ten years.

[00:54:02] But the fact that they've waited this long to do it, you're like okay surely they've

[00:54:08] had time to come up with a decent story and you've got so many, you've got one on a rider,

[00:54:13] you've got...

[00:54:14] What's the...

[00:54:15] Catherine O'Hara?

[00:54:16] Yes thank you.

[00:54:17] Catherine O'Hara and of course the pivotal person you have to have is Michael Keaton.

[00:54:23] Yeah.

[00:54:24] They're all bad.

[00:54:25] And you're like okay, the fact that they're...

[00:54:27] Because Michael Keaton, Catherine O'Hara, I feel like...

[00:54:32] And yeah, when a rider's got stranger things it's like they don't need this.

[00:54:36] No, exactly.

[00:54:37] And so it's like okay, they're like no, I've seen the script and Tim Burton, you got

[00:54:44] it.

[00:54:45] They're right.

[00:54:46] You're up at good point.

[00:54:47] None of them need this movie.

[00:54:48] Absolutely.

[00:54:49] Like a genoretega is like super it girl right now.

[00:54:51] No because she did really well with Wednesdays.

[00:54:53] She's got every film like she's getting booked on right now.

[00:54:57] Michael Keaton is staying very busy with plenty of roles right now, kind of a little bit

[00:55:02] of a resurgence the last several years for him as well.

[00:55:05] So yeah, Catherine O'Hara is actually probably more popular now than she was back when the

[00:55:09] original Beatles came out.

[00:55:10] Oh totally because she did shit screaming.

[00:55:12] And yes so she's like...

[00:55:13] So they're all good.

[00:55:14] Yeah, yeah.

[00:55:15] It's just if anybody needs this movie it's probably Tim Burton.

[00:55:19] Well, I mean honestly.

[00:55:21] Well, other than he's got Wednesdays a hit show on Netflix.

[00:55:24] That's true.

[00:55:25] He's executive producer that directing some of those episodes.

[00:55:27] So I guess in a way nobody needed this and the fact that they're still making it after

[00:55:32] all these years you're right.

[00:55:33] I think it's a good sign.

[00:55:35] And supposedly I guess I heard there again, you know, I don't...

[00:55:38] If a star agrees to be in a movie, they've shot the movie and then apparently he is...

[00:55:43] Michael Keaton has apparently seen a cut of it and he's like it's pretty good now.

[00:55:47] Would of course is he gonna say that maybe but like...

[00:55:49] But he didn't have to.

[00:55:50] He could not say anything.

[00:55:52] Right.

[00:55:53] But instead he's like...

[00:55:54] It's pretty good.

[00:55:55] So I'm excited.

[00:55:58] I'm eagerly anticipating this.

[00:56:00] I think it's gonna be fun.

[00:56:02] No matter what, I think it's gonna be fun.

[00:56:04] So looking forward to Beatles, Doos, Doos, Doos.

[00:56:06] Now that one is coming out.

[00:56:08] What is that coming up?

[00:56:13] Oh September 6th.

[00:56:15] Okay.

[00:56:16] September for Beetlejuice.

[00:56:18] We got October for Joker.

[00:56:20] Okay, so it could be...

[00:56:22] Some films lining up this fall that could be some interesting ones.

[00:56:25] Some big ones.

[00:56:26] Both of them coming out in the fall, which is kind of an odd time for both of them.

[00:56:29] Neither of them coming out in summer.

[00:56:31] And both sequels.

[00:56:32] Both sequels.

[00:56:33] You would think they would program them more towards the summer.

[00:56:35] I would say that neither of them are really Oscar bait movies although Joaquin Phoenix

[00:56:40] didn't win for Joker the first one.

[00:56:42] So who knows?

[00:56:43] And it got nominated for Best Picture, right?

[00:56:46] I believe so.

[00:56:47] I wonder if it's because of Rider Strike, why he's got delayed to late instead of summer.

[00:56:52] But I would have thought...

[00:56:53] I mean, it's still even if you delay him till next summer.

[00:56:55] It's like both of these seem like movies you want to bring out the summertime.

[00:56:59] But they're also...

[00:57:00] Both of them have a little bit of a darker vibe to him, a little creepier.

[00:57:03] Maybe they're kind of going for more of that fall time period.

[00:57:06] But sure.

[00:57:07] I don't know.

[00:57:08] It's interesting that I don't know many big films coming out this summer.

[00:57:11] I don't either.

[00:57:13] Most of the films we're hearing about are gonna be fall.

[00:57:15] Right.

[00:57:16] So that's...

[00:57:17] I mean, you're anticipating Kong X Godzilla or is it Godzilla X-Con?

[00:57:21] I don't even know what it is.

[00:57:22] Look, I love my King Kong and I love my Godzilla.

[00:57:27] I love them together.

[00:57:29] But this movie looks like Hot Garbage.

[00:57:32] Not just garbage, hot garbage.

[00:57:35] It looks...

[00:57:36] I never want a judge of film on trailers and all that.

[00:57:40] But this movie does not look good.

[00:57:42] I will go see it only because I'm a glutton for punishment and I have to fulfill my personal

[00:57:47] responsibility to say that I've seen all these films.

[00:57:50] But I'm going in with the lowest of expectations, hoping that something at least decent comes

[00:57:54] out of it.

[00:57:55] Did you see...

[00:57:56] Did you watch the Apple TV Plus series The Monsters?

[00:58:00] What's half of it?

[00:58:01] Okay.

[00:58:02] Kind of lost interest.

[00:58:03] Okay, monarch or whatever.

[00:58:05] Monarch...

[00:58:06] Yeah.

[00:58:07] Okay.

[00:58:08] Yeah.

[00:58:09] No, honestly, Godzilla minus one set me on a new path of saying that's where I want

[00:58:17] to go.

[00:58:18] I don't want to go down this current track that the American versions are pushing out.

[00:58:26] I want to go where the Japanese versions are taking us.

[00:58:29] I want to see more of those.

[00:58:30] Gotcha.

[00:58:31] I want them to do a King Kong movie.

[00:58:33] I want them to do a...

[00:58:34] I mean, that's where I want them to put their attention to.

[00:58:37] Okay.

[00:58:38] Interesting.

[00:58:39] Okay, Chris.

[00:58:40] I think we've covered enough news.

[00:58:42] Joker 2 coming out in October is going to be a musical with a lot of popular songs being

[00:58:46] covered in it.

[00:58:47] Timothy Chalmay is going to be Bob Dylan in a very specific time period in his life,

[00:58:50] directed by James Mangold.

[00:58:51] Gotcha.

[00:58:52] And Beetlejuice 2 is coming out September and we saw the teaser and...

[00:58:56] Let's go ahead.

[00:58:57] What's going on?

[00:58:58] All right, Chris.

[00:58:59] So let's wrap this show up with one last piece.

[00:59:01] Normally, we kick over to you for a recommendation, but you saw a movie that we had planned to try

[00:59:07] to review.

[00:59:08] Right.

[00:59:09] I unfortunately was not able to make it to see a screening of this film, so I'm going

[00:59:13] to leave it over to you to give us a review and you'll be able to let us know in the

[00:59:18] course of the review, will this be a recommendation or not?

[00:59:21] This film, The American Society of Magical Negroes.

[00:59:25] So I'm going to turn it over to you.

[00:59:26] You can set this up just like a proper review.

[00:59:28] I would just be here to ask questions and to get feedback.

[00:59:31] Sure.

[00:59:32] Go for it, Chris.

[00:59:33] The one in the film is Regret is for white people.

[00:59:38] Ouch.

[00:59:39] This line is delivered by Rodney to Aaron, played by David Allen Greer and Justice Smith, respectively.

[00:59:45] Rodney acts as Aaron's mentor when he is recruited to join the ranks of the organization of

[00:59:50] the title, The American Society of Magical Negroes.

[00:59:54] We've discussed two films recently that touch on this issue of race specifically in America,

[01:00:00] Confiction and Origin.

[01:00:01] Two very different films.

[01:00:03] This film differs from those two in that it is a straightforward comedy.

[01:00:08] I'll be at one that doesn't shy away from making observations about the differences

[01:00:13] when mining counter based on the color of your skin.

[01:00:15] Obviously you can tell that's kind of where the film is going.

[01:00:19] The American Society of Magical Negroes or Tess Omed, an acronym I'm sure we'll catch

[01:00:25] on, betting my retirement on it was one of my most anticipated films of 2024.

[01:00:31] Unlike Drive Away Dolls, which I'd overhyped in my mind and was underwhelmed, I enjoyed

[01:00:36] it Tess Omed.

[01:00:38] It appears I'm in the minority as the brutal 2.4 rating in IMDB seems to indicate.

[01:00:46] I think for those that hurt us review American fiction and how it did a little personal

[01:00:55] lot, you know, it kind of combined comedy and drama because it wasn't that right comedy.

[01:00:59] This doesn't bother with the drama.

[01:01:01] It's really just a comedy.

[01:01:03] You take the subject matter that it's talking about about, you know, the whole concept

[01:01:08] of the magical Negro.

[01:01:10] They actually reference a little bit in the film directly.

[01:01:13] They show these, it's kind of hard to explain.

[01:01:17] But when he's inducted into the society, they show him examples of what the society has

[01:01:22] been able to do in the past.

[01:01:24] They use kind of like a Harry Potter pin-seed device where they show you dreams or show

[01:01:30] you things that have happened and they directly writh winking riffs on the green mile, which

[01:01:35] in that store.

[01:01:36] Okay.

[01:01:37] The legend of Bagger Vance, which is funny because in that film, that's Will Smith playing

[01:01:42] Bagger Vance and his son, Justice Smith is in this movie.

[01:01:45] So kind of an interesting wink about like, hey, your dad was the one playing the magical

[01:01:51] Negro.

[01:01:52] Yeah, yeah.

[01:01:53] So kind of an interesting thing there.

[01:01:54] So knowing that kind of like it's serious, but yet it's kind of, it's doing it in an

[01:02:00] entertaining way.

[01:02:03] And for me, I kind of knew that this wasn't going to be biting satire hitting you over

[01:02:08] the head or anything.

[01:02:09] Like, I knew that.

[01:02:10] So do I come away with any like major points or like, no, but I knew it was basically just

[01:02:17] entertainment.

[01:02:18] But it was entertainment that at least had something on its mind rather than just being

[01:02:22] like a slapstick comedy.

[01:02:24] So for me, it worked.

[01:02:26] But like I said, clearly, I seem to be in the minority for this film.

[01:02:30] I think a lot of people, or it seems to me when I can tell online, went into this thinking

[01:02:35] like, oh, this is really going to be biting satire.

[01:02:38] It's really good.

[01:02:39] They came away really disappointed.

[01:02:41] Like, you know, this was a Saturday night live skit that should have only gone on for,

[01:02:45] you know, 10 minutes in the stead was, you know, an hour and 44.

[01:02:49] And I'm like, I don't know.

[01:02:50] I thought there was enough there that I enjoyed it.

[01:02:53] I like seeing David Allen Greer have a big role because he's like one of the two main

[01:03:00] characters.

[01:03:01] And actually, it was interesting too.

[01:03:03] They offer also reference drivingness Daisy.

[01:03:06] The one they thought they were going to do and they didn't, which was Shawshank Redemption.

[01:03:11] And the only reason I can think they backed off that was because it would have been two

[01:03:14] Morgan Freeman references drivingness Daisy and Shawshank.

[01:03:17] But there's, so I don't know.

[01:03:20] The film worked for me.

[01:03:21] I mean, I could sit here and just list all the, there's, they have some LA Hollywood satire

[01:03:27] in there that worked for me.

[01:03:30] They also make fun of social media companies such as Twitter or Facebook.

[01:03:35] Cause I have this thing, the company is called Meet Box and it's in EET to be a meet

[01:03:42] box.

[01:03:43] But also me because you just, you think the connotation is like Meet Box is an MET or just

[01:03:47] bunch of human bodies glomming it like.

[01:03:49] So Meet Box.

[01:03:50] I'm finding there's some funny things to do with VR that they actually reference.

[01:03:56] Rupert Friend plays the CEO of this company.

[01:03:59] He gives a great, you know, cameo type performance in that.

[01:04:04] Yeah, I just so much.

[01:04:07] So I've already mentioned just a Smith David Young Greer.

[01:04:10] They're both great.

[01:04:11] Anly Bogan who I was unfamiliar with plays a love interest in the film.

[01:04:16] Lizzie she was great.

[01:04:17] Drew Tarver also unfamiliar with him.

[01:04:20] He plays Jason Munt which is also that actually that name may be a reference to

[01:04:25] something I'm not familiar with because it sounded kind of familiar.

[01:04:28] But the cast.

[01:04:29] I thought the cast was great.

[01:04:32] This is a debut, which is one of the reasons it was my most anticipated year.

[01:04:36] It's a debut from the writer director Kobe Libble.

[01:04:40] And hopefully despite the fact that it has a 2.4 rating apparently a lot of people hate

[01:04:45] it, I'm really interested to see what he's going to do next.

[01:04:49] Because you know, just there's just a lot of potential there.

[01:04:53] So and there's actually one of the things that kind of sold it.

[01:04:57] There is the very last scene kind of pays off.

[01:05:01] It's something that you didn't know was a joke, but it's a joke.

[01:05:04] And I'm not going to say as it has to do with a ring that Lizzie is wearing and there's

[01:05:08] a payoff of what that ring means.

[01:05:12] And I'll just leave it there.

[01:05:13] But like that was like, man, that's awesome.

[01:05:15] And that was the last thing you see.

[01:05:17] And that just kind of set me walking out of the theater.

[01:05:19] I was like, yeah, like so it does turn out.

[01:05:22] This is a recommendation.

[01:05:23] This is giving a recommendation of the American Society of Magical Negro.

[01:05:28] Tasm, if you want to help from my retirement from according that phrase.

[01:05:31] But yeah, it's one you can actually maybe still see in theaters.

[01:05:36] Yeah, so maybe a little short live there.

[01:05:38] But all right, so Chris is giving a recommendation.

[01:05:40] It's good.

[01:05:41] I still want to go see this film.

[01:05:42] I still want to see it.

[01:05:44] It sounds like not anywhere near the satire and biting commentary that was the film that

[01:05:53] I really liked.

[01:05:57] Gosh, oh my gosh, I'm drawing a blank.

[01:06:00] Recent film that we've been like in your last few years.

[01:06:03] So not American fiction because you were kind of lukewarm on that one.

[01:06:06] The one where the guy goes to work at a business and it has to do like customer service and

[01:06:10] kind of has to put on the Caucasian voice at times.

[01:06:15] Sorry, sorry, sorry white people.

[01:06:17] Sorry to bother you.

[01:06:18] Sorry to bother you.

[01:06:19] Yeah, yeah, it's not dear white people.

[01:06:21] That's the thing.

[01:06:22] Sorry about.

[01:06:23] But the Keith Stanfield.

[01:06:24] So not on that level of this is a much.

[01:06:27] This is a paper movie, it does have something to say.

[01:06:31] Perfect.

[01:06:32] Thank you.

[01:06:33] I completely forgot.

[01:06:34] I think people were wanting that's perfect.

[01:06:36] Thank you for bringing that maybe up.

[01:06:37] They were wanting this to be a sorry to bother you.

[01:06:39] Right.

[01:06:40] It ain't.

[01:06:41] It ain't.

[01:06:42] Yeah.

[01:06:43] I really like that movie.

[01:06:44] This is not up to that caliber but I still like this movie but I don't think it was it

[01:06:47] was like a lighter version of life.

[01:06:49] That's the impression I got from the last trailer of the film.

[01:06:52] I think it was a much lighter version.

[01:06:54] I think we may have, do we discuss the trailer on the show?

[01:06:56] We did.

[01:06:57] Yeah.

[01:06:58] And I think you're kind of like, oh my little one.

[01:06:59] Well the trailer made it almost maybe turn it into a bit more of a romcom.

[01:07:03] Right.

[01:07:04] Then I was hoping it was going to be a much more of a satire and the way that there is because

[01:07:08] it is basically does form kind of a love triangle between.

[01:07:12] Yeah.

[01:07:13] Aaron's character Aaron and Jason Monten.

[01:07:17] And Lizzie there is kind of like a love and that's the problem is he has to play the magical

[01:07:20] Negro and just help this white boy.

[01:07:23] But the way that's handled I thought was spun on.

[01:07:26] I guess a lot of people disagree.

[01:07:27] I'm still very, very curious and very anxious to see this film.

[01:07:31] So okay.

[01:07:32] Thank you Chris for that review.

[01:07:33] I do have to add one correction though.

[01:07:35] Okay.

[01:07:36] Is it Bob Seeger, Peter Seeger?

[01:07:38] He's in this film I remember.

[01:07:40] Our apologies.

[01:07:41] Chris likes to offer our apologies to DeLila and Wayne Smith who are the actual parents

[01:07:46] of Justice Smith not Will Smith.

[01:07:48] So really?

[01:07:49] Yes.

[01:07:50] Sorry to break that.

[01:07:51] That's because this, so Justice Smith is not okay see that's weird because when he did

[01:07:58] which I have not seen this movie either.

[01:08:00] I haven't seen this movie but the Pikachu movie and all the Jurassic Park stuff.

[01:08:05] I swore that it will.

[01:08:07] Wow man that is twice in one shot.

[01:08:09] He has listed on IMDB parents as DeLila and Wayne Smith.

[01:08:14] See how this time?

[01:08:16] No way.

[01:08:17] His godfather is Bob Seeger but amazing.

[01:08:21] It's just Smith also in after earth.

[01:08:24] No that is Will Smith's side.

[01:08:26] Okay that's my problem as I just see and I'm going to I'll blame through my intern which

[01:08:32] does we all know it doesn't really exist under the bus.

[01:08:35] I was assuming that's Jaden Smith.

[01:08:38] Jaden.

[01:08:39] Jaden Smith is Will Smith.

[01:08:40] He's done something besage just after earth.

[01:08:42] Jaden Smith has done the crotty kid.

[01:08:45] Okay.

[01:08:46] He's done some other movies but no that is not Justice Smith as far as I can tell no relation

[01:08:59] to the Will Smith family.

[01:09:00] In one episode I have conflated Peter Seeger or Pete Seeger and Bob Seeger and also Jaden

[01:09:08] and Justice Smith.

[01:09:09] Yes.

[01:09:10] Okay.

[01:09:11] My apologies to both the Seekers and the Smith family.

[01:09:15] He's always sort of emotional trauma.

[01:09:18] You've suffered due to me complaining.

[01:09:20] That was hilarious.

[01:09:21] Wow.

[01:09:22] That's terrible.

[01:09:23] I heard you say that and I'm like that this is sound right.

[01:09:25] I don't know if that's right.

[01:09:26] I'm going to double check that before I jump in.

[01:09:27] I know that I think about it.

[01:09:28] Yeah.

[01:09:29] Jaden and Justice look nothing alike.

[01:09:31] No.

[01:09:32] I don't know how it's just.

[01:09:33] I just heard a J Smith and I was like oh yeah that's totally Will Smith's kid and I know

[01:09:38] he has kids that act but we'll say in your defense.

[01:09:42] I do think Justice Smith resembles Will Smith.

[01:09:45] I totally like that even sells it even more.

[01:09:48] Totally get it.

[01:09:49] I mean, I totally get it.

[01:09:50] I could see how that could be something throw off but I'm not.

[01:09:53] Wow.

[01:09:54] Okay.

[01:09:55] Wow.

[01:09:56] We thought a fun show.

[01:09:57] She's been good.

[01:09:58] All right.

[01:09:59] So thank you for that review Chris.

[01:10:00] Yes.

[01:10:01] The film.

[01:10:02] I'm still very eager to see this film.

[01:10:03] Yes.

[01:10:04] Despite the fact Justice Smith is not related to Will Smith.

[01:10:07] I still think he did an excellent job in this film.

[01:10:09] Good.

[01:10:10] So there we go.

[01:10:11] We're wrapping up today's show.

[01:10:13] Ghostbusters.

[01:10:14] Frozen Empire.

[01:10:15] Really good spirited this conversation.

[01:10:16] See what I did there.

[01:10:17] Spirited about that film and the.

[01:10:19] That's where the a feebie.

[01:10:21] The fun there.

[01:10:22] Yeah.

[01:10:23] Oh yeah, that's right.

[01:10:24] She did.

[01:10:25] Joker 2 coming out.

[01:10:27] October.

[01:10:28] Bob Dylan movie unknown when that comes out but it will be probably within a year.

[01:10:34] Beetlejuice 2 coming out September and then Chris says you know he's recommending if

[01:10:39] it's still in the movie theater near you and it'll obviously be online.

[01:10:42] I would thank you.

[01:10:43] Apparently within probably 60 days or so the American Society of Magical Negroes.

[01:10:48] He recommends it as well.

[01:10:50] So Chris that is our reviews and show for today.

[01:10:54] If anybody has some comments topics thoughts or would like to find something else to do this

[01:10:58] September in between the screening of Beetlejuice and Joker what what on can they do?

[01:11:05] How can they get a hold of us and then what should they do?

[01:11:07] Sure, they can get a hold of us by sending an email to info at footkindle.org.

[01:11:13] You can follow us on Twitter at footkindlefilm Facebook, footkindlefilm society, Instagram

[01:11:17] and threads.

[01:11:18] We're just simply footkindlefilm.

[01:11:20] Alan I are also in the letter box.

[01:11:21] We try to track what we're seeing.

[01:11:23] Alan referenced something that you could do in between seeing Beetlejuice and what was

[01:11:28] the other movie that's the Joker movie right?

[01:11:30] So in between those two films if you wanted to do something and you happen to be in Western

[01:11:35] North Carolina, the 2024 footkindle film festival September 20th through the 28th we are

[01:11:42] more than happy to have you.

[01:11:43] It's going to be our 10th year.

[01:11:44] Got a lot of big things planned so if you can make it out we'd love to see you.

[01:11:49] Alan Alright, that sounds great.

[01:11:51] We do hope to see you this fall in Hickory for the Footkindle Film Festival.

[01:11:56] More information, more details for sure will be coming out about July as far as some actual

[01:12:03] list of films and all the announcements of the schedule.

[01:12:07] We'll be in July but that'll be last week of September so go ahead and put it on your

[01:12:10] encounters and come plan to join us.

[01:12:13] Alright Chris, we're going to wrap it up then.

[01:12:15] Thanks everybody for listening today and hope you enjoyed it and we'll look forward to

[01:12:19] talking to you next time.

[01:12:20] See you in the ticket, Ron.

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