Deadpool & Wolverine

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[00:00:33] Hello, everyone, and welcome to Footcandle Films here on the MESH.TV Podcast Network.

[00:00:38] My name is Alan Jackson. With me as always, Chris Fry, here with the Footcandle Film Society, the annual Footcandle Film Festival, and this here, a little podcast, the Footcandle Films Podcast. Chris, how are you today?

[00:00:51] This Footcandle Film Festival you mentioned, I'm not really aware of that. What exactly is that?

[00:00:57] So let me tell you a little bit about it, because I know you have no knowledge of it. It is a festival we have coming up in late September.

[00:01:04] Are you going to be around? Are you available late September?

[00:01:07] I think I'll be in Western North Carolina around that time.

[00:01:10] Good. Then I'd recommend if you could come spend some time with us at the festival. I think you'd enjoy it.

[00:01:14] It's a lot of films we're bringing in from around the world, and we show them here in beautiful downtown Hickory,

[00:01:21] and filmmakers attending, and Q&As, and events, and receptions, and concerts. It's going to be a fun time.

[00:01:28] Now, this is the first time you guys have ever done this?

[00:01:30] No, actually, we've done it a few times now. I think this will be our 10th time at this point.

[00:01:35] Oh, okay. Cool. Actually, Chris, I believe I've seen you at a lot of the planning meetings.

[00:01:41] I think you are aware of the festival. I think you're maybe just kind of trying to do a bit here.

[00:01:47] Maybe if I slept more, I would remember things. Maybe I should look into that.

[00:01:51] That's it. Well, we'll tell you a little bit more about the festival later in the episode,

[00:01:55] but Chris, thank you for the bit and the preview on that. But yes, we do have the festival coming up in late September.

[00:02:02] We'll talk about it a little bit later. Before we get to that, though, Chris, I do want to talk about some movies.

[00:02:08] We have a film review today. As always, we try to at least have one film review, and this is our film review for this week.

[00:02:16] It was kind of the big release this past weekend, and we bought into the hype and went to go see it as well.

[00:02:22] It is Deadpool and Wolverine we will be discussing in our review, followed by I've got a couple of trailers to show for some films that are nearing release.

[00:02:33] Some of them we have talked about in the past in the news, but now there's actually trailers attached to them.

[00:02:38] We might talk about a couple of those.

[00:02:40] And even one trailer I just learned about, honestly, 30 minutes ago.

[00:02:44] I haven't seen it. Don't know anything about it.

[00:02:46] Thought that'll be fun. Let's watch that.

[00:02:48] So we got a couple of those to share with you later in the episode.

[00:02:52] And I believe we have a Chris Fry recommendation to cap off the episode at the end as well.

[00:02:57] A film recommendation delivered by my co-host here.

[00:03:02] So we have a lot to do.

[00:03:04] Most importantly, though, let's get into our film review, which is Deadpool and Wolverine.

[00:03:11] I don't know anything about saving worlds, but you do.

[00:03:15] I hear you call my name.

[00:03:20] You were an X-Man.

[00:03:23] You were the X-Man.

[00:03:28] Soaking wet right now.

[00:03:30] With Deadpool and Wolverine, we have the third Deadpool film featuring the third director to helm the films, highlighting Ryan Reynolds as the wisecracking, irreverent costume vigilante, with this being the first film to be bankrolled by Disney.

[00:03:52] Having been a fan of the second installment.

[00:03:55] That's a lot of numbers there.

[00:03:56] Did you find the film equally enjoyable or did you feel Disney's involvement resulted in a diminished Deadpool experience?

[00:04:04] Alan?

[00:04:06] Hmm.

[00:04:08] No, good questions.

[00:04:09] Very, very good questions.

[00:04:10] I'll say I don't think Disney's involvement had any bearing.

[00:04:15] Okay.

[00:04:16] For better, for worse.

[00:04:17] I actually think, you know, I think that's probably a good thing.

[00:04:22] Did the film kind of keep up the same irreverence and style of humor and violence and what it's been known for from the previous two films?

[00:04:32] Yeah, it did.

[00:04:33] I felt like this third film was in the oeuvre of the Deadpool world and kind of fit in nicely.

[00:04:40] So I never felt like it was that disconnected.

[00:04:43] Actually, I think the kind of segueing into the Marvel universe, which is what it was actually.

[00:04:49] It was okay.

[00:04:50] It was actually kind of definitely handled.

[00:04:52] I thought it was kind of nice and simple and clean and worked okay for me.

[00:04:57] Okay.

[00:05:00] Yeah.

[00:05:01] I did have a good time with this film in general.

[00:05:04] How much, how much, you know, you and I have seen this film.

[00:05:07] It has been out for a little bit.

[00:05:09] Yeah.

[00:05:09] Yeah.

[00:05:10] How much, a little bit.

[00:05:10] Was anything spoiled for you?

[00:05:12] No.

[00:05:13] Okay.

[00:05:13] No, I didn't read anything about it.

[00:05:15] And nobody told you about any of the cameos?

[00:05:17] Okay.

[00:05:17] So I was in the same boat.

[00:05:19] So I'm going to try to keep our review pretty spoiler free too.

[00:05:23] Absolutely.

[00:05:23] Because I like for people, we normally do, but just because that's some of the fun of the movie is seeing some of the people pop up.

[00:05:29] Oh, it is.

[00:05:29] Look, I had a good time with the movie.

[00:05:32] Okay.

[00:05:33] Is it a good movie?

[00:05:35] Nah, not really.

[00:05:37] It's, it's, the plot is pretty ridiculous.

[00:05:40] There are things that don't make sense to me.

[00:05:42] I still don't quite understand if I tried to think about it too hard.

[00:05:45] It's fine.

[00:05:46] You don't go for that for this film.

[00:05:48] Okay.

[00:05:48] You don't go to see a intricate plot that has a lot of nuance and details and well-written script.

[00:05:55] It's not a Christopher Nolan title.

[00:05:57] No, this is two iconic characters fighting and teaming up to fight other people.

[00:06:03] And you see callbacks and flashbacks or cameos and all this, and you just have fun with it.

[00:06:09] And yeah, for that purpose, it succeeded.

[00:06:13] Was it as good as it, I hoped it was going to be no, but I still had a good time with it.

[00:06:18] I laughed a lot.

[00:06:20] I thought some of the fight scenes with the two of them were entertaining.

[00:06:24] I thought some of the cameos, which again, we're not going to talk about some of the,

[00:06:28] the way they, even though I thought the plot in the story in general was, was kind of chaotic

[00:06:34] and messy.

[00:06:36] There's some meta commentary about the state of the superhero franchises in business side

[00:06:45] of it that I did think was kind of clever and fairly well done.

[00:06:50] And I probably enjoyed that more than anything with the rest of the film.

[00:06:55] So yeah, look, I, Hey, Ryan Reynolds is Deadpool.

[00:06:59] He nails it.

[00:07:00] He's got it.

[00:07:01] He is the guy.

[00:07:02] Sure.

[00:07:02] I think Hugh Jackman is Wolverine.

[00:07:04] He's got it.

[00:07:05] He knows it.

[00:07:06] And we even see Wolverine and kind of several different iterations at one point.

[00:07:10] And he nails all of them.

[00:07:12] I'm like, yes, these two guys are the guys.

[00:07:15] These, this is it.

[00:07:16] And if you like these two characters, yes, they, they do great together in this film.

[00:07:21] I had a good time with it.

[00:07:23] Not a perfect film by any means.

[00:07:26] And I still like Deadpool two better personally.

[00:07:28] That's just me.

[00:07:29] This is like a little below Deadpool two for me, but definitely better than,

[00:07:34] the first Deadpool enjoyed it a lot more than that.

[00:07:37] So, uh, I I'm okay with Deadpool Wolverine.

[00:07:39] I'm giving it a thumbs up.

[00:07:41] I did have fun.

[00:07:43] Not an enthusiastic thumbs up, but overall thumbs up.

[00:07:47] So Chris, I want to toss it over to you.

[00:07:48] What, what did you think of this film?

[00:07:49] So I think I'd like to subtitle my side of this podcast review as Deadpool.

[00:07:55] It's going to be a long one.

[00:07:56] Deadpool and Wolverine are how I learned to stop worrying and love a Deadpool film.

[00:08:01] Oh, okay.

[00:08:02] So good.

[00:08:03] The way, you know, we did, we reviewed the second one.

[00:08:07] Did we review the first one on the show?

[00:08:08] I don't remember.

[00:08:10] But the first one, I thought the funny stuff was funny, but then overall I thought it was

[00:08:14] kind of sloppy, put together kind of sloppy, but you know, it was a lower budget at the

[00:08:18] time.

[00:08:19] Cause it wasn't in the MCU second film.

[00:08:21] I liked better, but something about it just still didn't work for me.

[00:08:26] The funny stuff was funny.

[00:08:27] You didn't have a little bit of time travel there at the end, but you know, um, cable coming

[00:08:32] back, you know, Josh Brolin was good, but something about it still just didn't seem to gel.

[00:08:38] And with this third film, it worked and the humor, the humor, the bits of the humor I've

[00:08:44] always found funny in every film, but it was like the other stuff, the plot or something

[00:08:47] just wasn't quite working.

[00:08:50] And then in this film, I think what really did it was the inclusion of Hugh Jackman's

[00:08:56] Wolverine and the fact that Wolverine for me in this film, at least he had the heavy lifting

[00:09:02] of being serious.

[00:09:03] And I think that's what didn't work for me in the other two films.

[00:09:06] The first film you have Deadpool trying to win the affection of Samantha, the woman he

[00:09:11] like, you know, decides he's in love with and everything.

[00:09:13] Second film is like a family thing.

[00:09:15] He's like coming to jokes at the beginning of the film.

[00:09:18] Oh, this is really a family film.

[00:09:20] And at the end he kind of has, you know, he kind of pulls some people together and he's

[00:09:23] formed like a ragtag kind of family.

[00:09:26] This film, not that he, it isn't still centering on Deadpool having issues with, he's kind of

[00:09:30] grown apart from Samantha a little bit.

[00:09:32] Vanessa by the way.

[00:09:33] No, not Samantha.

[00:09:35] Who is Samantha?

[00:09:36] I don't know.

[00:09:37] Vanessa though.

[00:09:37] Thank you, Vanessa.

[00:09:40] But this film, basically it's like Wolverine.

[00:09:45] He's shown as being a failure.

[00:09:48] And I guess him carrying the dramatic beats of stuff worked better for me than Ryan Reynolds

[00:09:55] because I guess, you know, he's just funny, funny, funny.

[00:09:57] And he's like, okay, switch into serious mode.

[00:09:59] And not that I think Ryan Reynolds is a good actor, but something about the Deadpool character

[00:10:04] suddenly being serious just didn't work for me.

[00:10:08] And in this film, it's not that he doesn't have moments where he's serious, but a lot,

[00:10:12] basically there were two scenes where Wolverine and there again, I'm going to dance around

[00:10:17] spoilers as much as I can.

[00:10:18] And there's a campfire scene where Wolverine is talking to someone who knew him as an X-Men.

[00:10:24] Yeah.

[00:10:25] And the stuff they're saying going back and forth, it just works.

[00:10:29] It works.

[00:10:30] It works.

[00:10:30] It works.

[00:10:31] And I know the other scene.

[00:10:32] I think you're going to talk about it.

[00:10:33] There's another scene much later in the film, kind of towards the end where there is the

[00:10:37] big bad guy in the film.

[00:10:39] No, that's, is that, is that, oh, that's Cassandra.

[00:10:41] That's not, I don't know where I got Samantha from.

[00:10:43] That's Cassandra, I think.

[00:10:44] And she's shown in the trailer a little bit.

[00:10:47] So Cassandra is talking to Wolverine and they're kind of in a, a dream kind of world thing.

[00:10:53] Cause she's like investigating his thoughts and the conversation they have and how wounded

[00:10:57] Wolverine is and regrets about the past.

[00:11:00] It's just like, it's working and maybe it's because Wolverine granted, he does have a little

[00:11:05] bit of the patter back and forth with Deadpool, like making jokes and cracks, but it's not

[00:11:09] the same like level, you know?

[00:11:11] And for somebody, it just, it worked for me.

[00:11:14] Cause I, it's a little bit of a, a little bit of an odd couple type of thing pairing.

[00:11:18] Like a buddy cop film type thing.

[00:11:20] Well, there's another scene I'm going to give Hugh Jackman tons of credit.

[00:11:23] Cause I agree on both the scenes you mentioned his performance and just, you know, his Wolverine

[00:11:28] character at that point, but there's a scene in a car right before, as a fight is about

[00:11:34] to break out between two and Wolverine is just laying into the Deadpool character and kind

[00:11:39] of calling them out on everything.

[00:11:41] Yes.

[00:11:42] And I'm like, wow.

[00:11:43] Okay.

[00:11:43] That's good.

[00:11:44] Like that is Hugh Jackman.

[00:11:46] He's just like, man, you're just saying, really good at that point.

[00:11:49] It's like, and that's, yeah, it was more of like the sensitive like that, but you're

[00:11:52] talking about, yes, that seemed.

[00:11:53] No, it was good.

[00:11:55] I think they're right.

[00:11:56] I think having the two of them together just kind of became a little bit of a magical combination

[00:12:01] where it's like, you get the best of both worlds, you get the best sides of both personalities

[00:12:06] that kind of able to bounce off of each other.

[00:12:09] And it just, it just worked.

[00:12:10] So I think the dynamic was good.

[00:12:12] I agree with you on all that.

[00:12:13] Yeah.

[00:12:14] And to me, the, you know, I can see people lobbing the criticism, which you can lob it

[00:12:19] at a lot of Marvel films, um, too much fan service, or it doesn't really serve a purpose,

[00:12:25] but in something like this where it's kind of loose anyway, I mean, the point is for Deadpool

[00:12:30] to make jokes.

[00:12:31] I mean, that's, if you're going to it for a deep story, you're, you're just not, it's

[00:12:34] not a Christopher Nolan film.

[00:12:35] You're not going to get that.

[00:12:36] But the cameos to me in a way had kind of a point because it was like things that are

[00:12:41] left by the wayside or discarded characters storyline.

[00:12:44] And it's like bringing them back in and actually, um, there was an announcement and I can't

[00:12:50] remember if the announcement from comic-con happened before this film came out or right

[00:12:56] as this film was coming out.

[00:12:58] But, uh, and I can say that because, but Robert Downey Jr.

[00:13:03] Returning.

[00:13:03] That actually happened the weekend this film opened.

[00:13:07] And there was discussion about Robert Downey Jr.

[00:13:09] Returning.

[00:13:10] And it's interesting because in this film you have a different type thing and it's like,

[00:13:13] Oh, and so it's, it's, it was like a commentary about people returning, but it, it was done

[00:13:20] without, it was, it was kind of an interesting thing to think about, huh?

[00:13:22] And how fans reacted to that.

[00:13:24] And now something was, yeah.

[00:13:25] So it was just like you said, there's some commentary about the business of superhero movies.

[00:13:30] See, and that's what I thought was actually more entertaining.

[00:13:31] I mean, just for those maybe not in the, in the, in, in, in aware of kind of this,

[00:13:37] this backstory with these, the, the, the superhero movie business, you know, Sony pictures,

[00:13:44] or I'm sorry, not Sony Fox.

[00:13:46] Sony has their own little corner.

[00:13:47] Sony has the Spider-Man stuff.

[00:13:50] Fox 20th century Fox is what had all of the X-Men movies.

[00:13:54] In addition to that, they had movies like, um, blade and, uh, gosh, there were some others,

[00:14:01] a whole bunch of other movies that are the fantastic four movies.

[00:14:03] The old ones were all done under the 20th century Fox because they own those characters,

[00:14:08] had the rights to them.

[00:14:08] Um, Marvel came around, built up their own universe with their own characters and slowly

[00:14:14] started to bring some of the vault, those properties, bring them in.

[00:14:18] But it's kind of a little bit of a, that's an old, old film, a old, old set of films

[00:14:24] that are now nostalgic.

[00:14:26] Right.

[00:14:26] And are kind of like, you know, going away.

[00:14:28] Those characters, those interpretations of these characters are now gone.

[00:14:32] There's a brand new fantastic four that Marvel's doing.

[00:14:35] So that'll do away with the old ones.

[00:14:37] There's brand new X-Men movies going to be happening with Marvel.

[00:14:40] So these old ones are going away.

[00:14:41] So that's, and this movie acknowledges that.

[00:14:44] And that's the most enjoyment I got from the film was the fact that it was like a love letter

[00:14:49] to those older films.

[00:14:51] And, you know, it's hard to say you were just nostalgic for films that were really like,

[00:14:55] what, 10, 12 years ago, 15 years ago, you know,

[00:14:59] They were a while ago.

[00:15:00] Yeah, they weren't.

[00:15:00] But it's like, you know, I never would have thought we could say we were going to be nostalgic

[00:15:05] for the 20th century Fox superhero movies.

[00:15:08] But we are.

[00:15:09] And there are people that were.

[00:15:11] And, you know, and it worked in the film.

[00:15:14] So I think playing with that meta angle that they did added a layer to this film that made

[00:15:20] it definitely enjoyable for me where I did like this film.

[00:15:23] If it hadn't been for that.

[00:15:26] Yeah, I think the charisma of the two leads probably still could have carried the film

[00:15:30] and made it enjoyable enough.

[00:15:32] But I think you add those two characters, plus this whole meadow world commentary that's

[00:15:37] going on and kind of this little bit of callback nostalgia, all that blended together to make

[00:15:44] make what we got, which I'm again, I was generally happy with.

[00:15:48] So I think something that helped me enjoy the film and maybe didn't make me pay that much

[00:15:57] attention to the plot was, I'll say without spoiling too much for people, but it does.

[00:16:02] He's Deadpool is has interaction with the time variance authority, which people familiar

[00:16:07] with the Marvel Cinematic Universe or even, I guess, the Marvel TV Universe.

[00:16:11] That's the whole thing with Loki, that series they've done with that, which I only watched

[00:16:14] the first season of that.

[00:16:15] I didn't really watch the second season, but they kind of make, I mean, they're using that

[00:16:21] whole construct of their kind of recruiting Deadpool to do some things.

[00:16:24] And, and you have the guy, which I really enjoyed seeing Matthew McFadden.

[00:16:30] I know him from, but succession, succession.

[00:16:34] And so he was in here as Mr. Paradox.

[00:16:37] I enjoyed seeing him play that character and kind of not take it too seriously, which worked.

[00:16:44] Um, but that they use a thing from that show from the first season.

[00:16:51] There was like this, I don't know, this entity that came out of the sky and like devour people.

[00:16:55] And I remember when I would watch the show, I was like, yeah, it felt like a very Dr.

[00:16:59] Who star Trek kind of cheap, kind of, kind of a dumb, a dumb thing, I guess I should say.

[00:17:05] And then the movie that is used and devil was like, Oh, Loki season one episode.

[00:17:10] Like, cause I was like, cause I was like, they, they kind of say like, Oh, and I don't even remember

[00:17:15] what the entity is called, but they kind of say it.

[00:17:17] I'm like, what are they talking about?

[00:17:19] And then he jokes about it and I'm like, okay, what is this?

[00:17:21] And then the moment I saw, I was like, Oh yes.

[00:17:23] The big dragon head in the sky.

[00:17:25] Like, so it, it's like, it's not taking itself too seriously, but yet it does play a part

[00:17:30] in like moving certain things along.

[00:17:33] Possibly.

[00:17:33] I don't really understand at the end of the film kind of where those pieces are.

[00:17:37] But again, I just kind of, I didn't really spend a lot of time mentally thinking about

[00:17:41] it.

[00:17:41] It's just, yeah, I don't think, I don't, I think people expecting this film to come in and

[00:17:45] like reshape the whole Marvel universe and settle everything when all the characters or introduce

[00:17:51] all these new characters coming forward.

[00:17:53] No, it's not really interested in doing that.

[00:17:55] And I'm okay with that.

[00:17:56] I was fine.

[00:17:58] Um, it definitely had more interest in looking backwards than it did Ford, which, you know,

[00:18:04] for better or for worse, that's where it went.

[00:18:06] And I, I personally was okay with that.

[00:18:08] I really, and you know, I like, like I said, I liked the film during the credits of this film,

[00:18:14] they show kind of like what you were referencing, the 20th century Fox X-Men films.

[00:18:18] They show Hugh Jackman, like acting as Wolverine for the first time and stuff like that.

[00:18:23] And they show scenes from, I guess, what was it?

[00:18:26] Wolverine origin where Ryan Reynolds is Deadpool for the first time.

[00:18:29] And they show little things like that.

[00:18:31] And I'm like, you know, that's kind of, it's like a love letter to the movie.

[00:18:34] It was kind of like, you know, as you're saying, kind of waving goodbye to those movies, because

[00:18:38] now they're not going to be, that's not going to be the current iteration of how things

[00:18:41] are done.

[00:18:42] And, but I, I liked it.

[00:18:43] Granted, you know, it kind of hit the sweet.

[00:18:45] Yeah.

[00:18:45] It was nostalgic or whatever, but I still, I liked it.

[00:18:49] Yeah.

[00:18:49] So I thought it worked.

[00:18:50] Let me call it a couple of things.

[00:18:52] I think did work in the film as well.

[00:18:54] In addition to everything you just said, I personally was a really big fan of Emma Corwin's

[00:19:00] Cassandra Nova as the villain.

[00:19:02] Got you.

[00:19:03] Thought she was different or they were different.

[00:19:05] It's actually Emma Corwin's, you know, they, them, and I think they performed extremely

[00:19:13] well.

[00:19:13] I really liked their performance as a villain because it was different.

[00:19:17] It was just a little.

[00:19:18] Sure.

[00:19:19] We're so used to villains.

[00:19:21] I feel like are very, very cookie cutter, very similar to one another.

[00:19:26] And to me, this, this performance was just, it was just different enough and unique enough.

[00:19:31] And yes, it was, it had the snarky commentary to make and, you know, but just the fact that

[00:19:38] this, this villain, the whole deal is getting into their heads and that's different.

[00:19:43] You know, that's something we haven't really seen and, but yet super powerful at the same

[00:19:47] time.

[00:19:47] So I liked, I liked the character they sketched out.

[00:19:50] When I, you know, CGI and using CGI people, you know, varies different, differing to taste

[00:19:58] and her Cassandra's whole thing was that they got inside people's heads and like could toy

[00:20:03] with memories and stuff.

[00:20:04] And the CGI is like sticking the hand in somebody's head and you see the fingers moving around,

[00:20:11] like pushing the skin out.

[00:20:11] And I really thought it was, I thought it was funny, but it was not funny in a bad way,

[00:20:17] you know, but it was kind of, it was cool, but yet they kind of poking fun at themselves

[00:20:21] too, because it's like, okay, yes, we know we're in a comic book movie, but I thought

[00:20:25] it worked.

[00:20:26] And the different ways it was done to different people was also interesting.

[00:20:31] So yeah, I liked the sketch they gave us with that.

[00:20:35] So it was interesting, entertaining.

[00:20:37] I thought that was good.

[00:20:40] And the fact that, which was one of my highlights of the second film, and this is something very

[00:20:45] minor and something dumb, but I guess if it works for you, worked for me in the second

[00:20:49] film, works for me here.

[00:20:52] Wade Wilson's, or I guess Deadpool's interactions with was Yukio or whatever.

[00:20:58] And it's not Yukio is in this film, spoiler, I guess, but just the way they don't have a

[00:21:03] lot to do, but whenever they do, it's just, it's so kind of cute and stupid, but it's funny

[00:21:07] and it makes me laugh every time.

[00:21:09] Oh, I know what you're talking about.

[00:21:11] Well, speaking of laughs, I will just say, and I'm going to do this without spoiling,

[00:21:14] but I will say I did find, I did honestly laugh out loud at probably three moments in this

[00:21:23] film.

[00:21:23] And always a good sign.

[00:21:24] I'm going to do say this in a way that I'm trying not to spoil it.

[00:21:28] Sure.

[00:21:28] One of them is when a very well-known actor shows up with the anticipation of that actor

[00:21:36] being a certain character and then finding out that is not that character.

[00:21:40] Yes.

[00:21:40] That was hilarious.

[00:21:42] It was.

[00:21:42] And yes.

[00:21:43] And well done.

[00:21:44] Yes.

[00:21:44] Like I was really happy with how that was played out.

[00:21:48] Agreed.

[00:21:48] Also very good.

[00:21:49] Number two, I will say is another very famous actor, very well-known actor shows up playing

[00:21:59] a character that is a character that this actor has never actually played in a film.

[00:22:05] But I think was rumored to.

[00:22:07] Oh, rumored to.

[00:22:08] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:22:08] But never actually played in a film.

[00:22:10] Never came to fruition, yes.

[00:22:10] And the meta commentary about that also was very funny.

[00:22:15] And the commentary of Deadpool questioning the person's accent.

[00:22:19] Yes.

[00:22:19] Was great.

[00:22:20] Was one of the funniest things.

[00:22:21] Yeah.

[00:22:21] Yeah.

[00:22:21] Very, very good.

[00:22:22] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:22:22] The last thing I'll mention, I just, I mean, it was a short little bit, but I still

[00:22:26] think it was hilarious.

[00:22:26] I'm just going to say it, the Calverine, if you know what I'm talking about.

[00:22:32] There's a montage of trying to search and find various versions of Wolverine to find the

[00:22:39] right Wolverine.

[00:22:40] And there was one being played by a different actor that Deadpool freaks out about and calls

[00:22:46] the Calverine.

[00:22:48] Okay.

[00:22:48] Anyway.

[00:22:49] Right.

[00:22:50] I thought that was really funny.

[00:22:52] Okay.

[00:22:52] I thought that was just very funny.

[00:22:54] So some moments that honestly got me very, very happy and tickled.

[00:22:59] So the film knows how to play the humor.

[00:23:03] I'll say, I think the third act of the film kind of, for me, it wore out its welcome a little

[00:23:09] bit.

[00:23:09] There's a giant fight with, see, dozens of, you know, it's the Deadpool core is what they

[00:23:17] are.

[00:23:18] At that point, I was kind of disinterested in what the film was trying to do.

[00:23:24] The plot didn't really, the plot had kind of faded away from me where I had no idea

[00:23:27] why this was happening or for what reason or what the objective was.

[00:23:32] And it was a little, it was a little much for me.

[00:23:35] It was, it was at that point, I kind of worn out its welcome a little bit for me, but I think

[00:23:39] it had earned pretty good up until that point.

[00:23:42] So without, yeah, hard to, hard to talk about.

[00:23:46] It worked for me.

[00:23:47] I felt like I was following it along and especially because again, dancing around spoilers.

[00:23:52] Um, what ends up happening with the members of the dead, what'd you call them?

[00:23:58] Deadpool core.

[00:23:58] Deadpool core.

[00:23:59] Yeah.

[00:24:00] And some of the, and the way, yeah, the way it was, it was like, I don't know the, the

[00:24:05] ending of some of the storylines or some of the care, I was like, okay, that, that works.

[00:24:09] It wasn't, I don't know.

[00:24:10] It wasn't all or nothing.

[00:24:11] It kind of, I don't know.

[00:24:12] It worked ultimately for me.

[00:24:14] It was a little, it was a little numbing for me towards the end.

[00:24:16] I felt like that, that probably I had been entertained enough by that point.

[00:24:21] I dealt like that was just kind of pouring it on and just trying to, for me it was,

[00:24:26] it was a bit much.

[00:24:26] And I expect every Marvel movie, which this is now officially to end with some giant fight

[00:24:34] scene thing happening.

[00:24:35] So when it says like, okay, and here we go.

[00:24:37] And I know that the end of the film is there, but the way this one resolved, I guess I was,

[00:24:42] it worked.

[00:24:43] Yeah.

[00:24:44] So overall, like, it sounds like you were, it sounds like you might be a little higher

[00:24:47] on the film than I am.

[00:24:48] I'm still high on it.

[00:24:49] I still enjoyed it.

[00:24:50] I just don't think it was quite, you know, not quite the experience.

[00:24:55] I was hoping ultimately it could have been, but hopefully it still was very entertaining.

[00:25:00] Sounds like you, you like it of all the Deadpool movies.

[00:25:02] It's your favorite.

[00:25:03] Yes.

[00:25:04] Okay.

[00:25:04] Yes.

[00:25:05] It's a close second for me, but still up there because I did really enjoy the second one

[00:25:11] and found this one just as a fairly enjoyable as well.

[00:25:14] And, uh, and as usually, I guess when we start to get into sequels and around about the third,

[00:25:21] you know, well, actually sometimes you and I watch a movie and we're like, we really like

[00:25:24] this movie.

[00:25:25] I really hope they don't make a sequel for something like, you know, for instance, like

[00:25:29] the Barbie movie, you know, made so much money.

[00:25:31] Yes.

[00:25:32] I could see them making a movie, maybe all about Ken or whatever, but who, you know, with

[00:25:35] this film, obviously this is the third one.

[00:25:38] And because of the way they ended, it was kind of like the nostalgia for the old film.

[00:25:42] I really wish that this could be the last Deadpool film.

[00:25:45] Oh, it won't be.

[00:25:46] Right.

[00:25:46] But it's made, it's made so much money.

[00:25:49] Here's my.

[00:25:49] Well, but I really, cause it's, it's kind of like, you know, building, building, and then

[00:25:53] you have this third one, which you said was my favorite.

[00:25:56] So it's like, yeah.

[00:25:57] And now you just let sleeping dogs.

[00:25:58] Well, I hope it's the final film for one character because I think it's a good send off

[00:26:06] to that character.

[00:26:08] I think Deadpool still got some life in them, but what about the idea of from here on out?

[00:26:15] Deadpool is only in a movie where he is teaming up with another character.

[00:26:19] Well, I have a challenge.

[00:26:20] How about Deadpool can only be in a movie if it's told linearly?

[00:26:25] No kind of flashbacks, no kind of jumping around in time.

[00:26:28] No kind of like, cause in the first movie, it kind of stops.

[00:26:31] Start.

[00:26:32] You start at one point, you go back and you tell, granted, it was like telling an origin

[00:26:35] story.

[00:26:35] Second movie, kind of a little bit of the same thing.

[00:26:38] This one, it's not as bad.

[00:26:42] I mean, it was jumping around.

[00:26:42] It's a little bit more, but I'm talking about literally it is linear from start to finish.

[00:26:48] Like you start the film.

[00:26:49] I think that'd be like, be a challenge.

[00:26:51] I think back to your original comment about how you felt like this played better for you

[00:26:54] because he had someone to kind of play off of.

[00:26:58] Right.

[00:26:58] It's not, it's not just following somebody who's just all about jokes and comedy and all

[00:27:04] that.

[00:27:04] Right.

[00:27:04] And then when they do steer into dramatic bits, it's jarring.

[00:27:08] You had somebody to bounce off.

[00:27:09] So put them in a, have a, there's a little bit of a running bit about him and Thor that

[00:27:15] is never explained.

[00:27:16] And I liked that.

[00:27:17] It was funny, but put him in the next movie, Deadpool and Thor and see what happens there

[00:27:22] with a different character.

[00:27:23] And I just have an interesting pairings.

[00:27:25] I think he plays better with others, I guess is what we're saying.

[00:27:29] Right.

[00:27:29] And, or put them in a team or something like that and make them that don't do a standalone

[00:27:34] solo movie.

[00:27:35] Cause yeah, I agree with you.

[00:27:37] I don't know if that works for his character as well or for, for us as the audience to watch.

[00:27:41] So yeah, cause the first Deadpool was my least favorite.

[00:27:45] It seemed like it was just more playing off of the concept and the joke than it was really

[00:27:49] trying to make a good movie.

[00:27:50] Right.

[00:27:51] And I think that is because we're only following the Deadpool character and we didn't really

[00:27:56] have a great moral compass to play against or somebody with a different personality that

[00:28:01] was like kind of his equal.

[00:28:03] Um, so I don't know.

[00:28:04] Maybe we'll see.

[00:28:05] I could say too that, um, if you, you know, if I'm going to lob a criticism at the film

[00:28:11] because overall I liked it, you know, it's exactly what I was hoping it would be.

[00:28:14] It made me laugh a couple of times.

[00:28:15] The trailer didn't actually manage to spoil every joke in the film, which is always nice.

[00:28:20] Um, you know, as far as the look of the film, now granted some of this time they're

[00:28:26] in kind of like a desert landscape, it doesn't really, I guess it's not very visually interesting

[00:28:31] a lot of the times.

[00:28:32] And some of the things that are there that make it interesting, obviously are probably

[00:28:35] like CGI built.

[00:28:36] So yeah, but I'm not coming to this movie for like interesting cinematography or for

[00:28:40] it to, to look great.

[00:28:42] You know, it's, I'm coming to it to laugh a couple of times and maybe be surprised, which

[00:28:47] thankfully, and hopefully anybody who hasn't seen the film, who goes to see it now will

[00:28:51] still be surprised at some of the things you and I were surprised at.

[00:28:54] Well, look, and let's just be honest, we haven't mentioned the director, but Sean Levy.

[00:28:58] Sure.

[00:28:58] He's directed a lot of films.

[00:29:00] I'll be the first to say, I think he's got a knack for doing kind of lighter, nicer comedy

[00:29:07] films that maybe have some action elements in them, but they're still primarily lighter

[00:29:11] comedies.

[00:29:13] None of them are ones I would say are visually interesting.

[00:29:16] That doesn't seem to be his deal.

[00:29:18] Okay.

[00:29:18] He's made a free guy with Ryan Reynolds.

[00:29:22] He did a night at the museum.

[00:29:25] He did all those movies.

[00:29:26] You know, it's just, they're fine.

[00:29:28] They're fun, enjoyable films, but not ones I would say, Oh wow, there's a real directorial

[00:29:33] vision to how this film needs to look or feel or act.

[00:29:36] It doesn't seem to be there.

[00:29:38] He just seems to be able to work with people who know how to be funny on screen and, and

[00:29:43] kind of let them do their thing.

[00:29:45] He did the internship, that movie with, uh, um, about Google with, uh, uh, I don't remember

[00:29:51] Owen Wilson and Vince Vaughn, which is not great.

[00:29:54] Um, real steel was actually one of his earlier films.

[00:29:57] So that was the one with a few jacks.

[00:29:59] So he's like fighting robots, which you're a big fan of.

[00:30:01] That's right.

[00:30:02] So, you know, he's, uh, he's done fine films and I was a little surprised when I heard

[00:30:07] he was going to be announced as the director.

[00:30:09] I'm like, that doesn't sound like a fit, but I think he pulled it off.

[00:30:13] Okay.

[00:30:13] Yeah.

[00:30:13] But there was nothing visually like, wow, that was like a really well directed scene or that

[00:30:19] really looked great the way it was shot.

[00:30:20] No, there's none of that.

[00:30:21] It was a very serviceable directorial jobs there.

[00:30:25] So, yeah.

[00:30:26] All right.

[00:30:27] So that is Deadpool and Wolverine.

[00:30:29] Uh, it broke records this weekend, Chris.

[00:30:31] It's like the highest grossing rated R movie.

[00:30:34] Uh, it beat passion of the Christ for opening weekend as a rated R movie.

[00:30:38] So I guess the comment about Deadpool being Marvel Jesus, maybe he had some, right?

[00:30:44] Sorry.

[00:30:45] I didn't mean to get all religious, but you know, it just got, it just opened itself up

[00:30:48] to it.

[00:30:48] Right.

[00:30:49] Sure.

[00:30:49] So his comment and that's even in the trailer, he refers to himself.

[00:30:54] There's a little bit of symbolism there now with that.

[00:30:57] Uh, but yeah, we're, we're coming out positive on this.

[00:31:00] Chris actually even a little higher than me, which I'm honestly surprised by, but happy,

[00:31:04] happy vibe.

[00:31:05] That's great.

[00:31:06] That's really good.

[00:31:07] All right.

[00:31:08] So, uh, still making a lot of money.

[00:31:09] We'll still be around for quite a while.

[00:31:12] Chris, uh, we're going to take a break.

[00:31:14] When we come back, I'm going to steer us away from the comic book universe.

[00:31:18] Believe me, there are things we could talk about in comic book movies in news, as you

[00:31:22] alluded to in the review.

[00:31:23] I'm not going to go into that.

[00:31:25] I think I don't, I don't want to deal with that.

[00:31:27] Let's, we did our review in the comic book world.

[00:31:29] Let's move over to films that are outside of that world in our next section where I'll talk

[00:31:33] about some trailers for some films coming out that are very, very different than what we're

[00:31:38] seeing here.

[00:31:39] So stay tuned.

[00:31:40] You're listening to foot candle films.

[00:31:41] We'll be back in just a moment.

[00:31:45] Welcome back to foot candle films here on the mesh.tv podcast network.

[00:31:49] Uh, we had a review of Deadpool and Wolverine in the first half of the show, both coming

[00:31:53] out positive on that film, Chris, with an even higher opinion of the film than I did.

[00:31:59] Uh, me, Mr. Marvel boy over here and Chris came out even more positive.

[00:32:03] Nice.

[00:32:04] So Chris, let's talk some trailers about some films coming out very soon.

[00:32:09] One of these films in particular, I know we talked about in a new section a couple months

[00:32:13] ago because it premiered at one of the big film festivals.

[00:32:19] I don't remember which one now at this point, was it at the can festival?

[00:32:23] It might've been.

[00:32:24] Okay.

[00:32:25] So we have a trailer for it.

[00:32:26] It came out a couple of weeks ago.

[00:32:27] It's a little older trailer, but I don't know if you've seen it or not, but we're going to

[00:32:30] watch it here.

[00:32:31] All right.

[00:32:32] Before I get to that one though, are you familiar with the film, uh, coming out from

[00:32:36] a 24 called a different man?

[00:32:40] Uh, I knew they were releasing a film with that title and that is all I know.

[00:32:44] That's all you know.

[00:32:44] Okay.

[00:32:44] Well, good.

[00:32:45] Let me tell you a little bit about this film.

[00:32:46] I don't think we've talked about it before.

[00:32:47] I don't think so.

[00:32:48] It did win some prizes at the Berlin film festival, actually for the lead actor, Sebastian Stan.

[00:32:54] Oh, I know who that is.

[00:32:55] I didn't know there was a, I forgot there was a Marvel connection, but he of the winter

[00:32:59] soldier Bucky.

[00:32:59] This is definitely not a Marvel movie.

[00:33:01] No, this is absolutely not a Marvel movie.

[00:33:03] So the, uh, film, uh, a different man is from director Aaron Schimberg.

[00:33:08] Starring Sebastian Stan.

[00:33:10] And this is the writeup from variety I'm, I'm, I'm pulling from right now.

[00:33:13] Okay.

[00:33:14] Uh, and it talks about Sebastian Stan plays a character with a facial difference, uh, kind

[00:33:20] of a facial deformity, uh, uh, uh, ailment who undergoes reconstructive surgery to change

[00:33:26] his appearance and it follows him.

[00:33:29] He's an actor.

[00:33:29] He has a neurofibromatosis, which is a genetic condition causing tumors to grow on the skin

[00:33:36] and bone.

[00:33:36] Okay.

[00:33:37] So Stan plays Edward in makeup in the first half of the film that is actually modeled

[00:33:42] after his co-star Adam Pearson, who is a real life actor who has neurofibromatosis.

[00:33:49] Um, he was in films like under the skin.

[00:33:52] I was about to say, he's the guy from under the skin.

[00:33:54] That's right.

[00:33:54] Okay.

[00:33:54] Right.

[00:33:55] So that is his co-star.

[00:33:56] Okay.

[00:33:56] So kind of follow the plot here.

[00:33:58] So Edward is an actor who has that same condition.

[00:34:01] Got you.

[00:34:01] He goes through and has surgery.

[00:34:03] Okay.

[00:34:04] To get it, his face reconstructed.

[00:34:07] Got you.

[00:34:08] But after he has that surgery, he's praised by his new look by coworkers and others.

[00:34:14] But then he meets Oswald played by Adam Pearson, an actor who is going to be playing him in

[00:34:19] a theater show based on his life.

[00:34:21] Oh, wow.

[00:34:22] And Edward becomes obsessed with Oswald.

[00:34:25] So Edward, the one who had the surgery now becomes obsessed with Oswald who looks exactly

[00:34:29] like him before he had a surgery.

[00:34:31] And it's kind of this, it's, it's labeled as a dark comedy, but I think there's going to

[00:34:35] be a lot more to it than that.

[00:34:37] So anyway, I gave you the summary, the synopsis to it.

[00:34:40] It is an A24 film labeled as a dark comedy.

[00:34:45] And we have a trailer for it.

[00:34:46] So I say we go ahead.

[00:34:50] Yes.

[00:34:50] A different man.

[00:34:52] And so let's go ahead and check out the trailer for this film.

[00:34:56] I think I have the trailer.

[00:34:57] Yes, I do.

[00:34:58] Here we go.

[00:35:01] Hey, man.

[00:35:03] I know you.

[00:35:06] What's your name?

[00:35:08] Edward.

[00:35:08] Do you work for Facebook?

[00:35:10] No.

[00:35:10] But I get this a lot.

[00:35:13] Oh, hey, neighbor.

[00:35:16] People can be cruel, I imagine.

[00:35:19] All unhappiness in life comes from not accepting what is.

[00:35:24] You all told me that?

[00:35:26] Lady Gaga.

[00:35:30] This drug seems to have the potential to actually heal you.

[00:35:34] The implications for life changing.

[00:35:36] My face has fallen off and clumps.

[00:35:40] I'm sure it only looks like clumps to you.

[00:35:41] Perhaps any potential risk is worth the reward?

[00:35:50] All right.

[00:35:51] Wow.

[00:35:52] So that's a trailer for A Different Man.

[00:35:55] Interested?

[00:35:57] Yes.

[00:35:58] Yes.

[00:35:58] Um, and just the whole concept, even before I watched the trailer, it just, it makes me worried and concerned that it's going to be handled, uh, with it in a caring manner, you know, uh, just because it's such a sensitive thing.

[00:36:14] But it, it, if it can walk the type of thing.

[00:36:17] It can walk the tightrope, which I think it was because otherwise I don't see why.

[00:36:19] Um, what's the guy's name?

[00:36:21] Adam that plays or Oz that plays Oswald.

[00:36:25] What was the name?

[00:36:25] The actor's name?

[00:36:26] Oh, that's, uh, Adam Pearson.

[00:36:28] Adam Pearson.

[00:36:28] Like, I'm just so, I'm, I'm fearful that it's not going to treat him with respect.

[00:36:35] But I mean, why would he sign on to do the movie if that wasn't the case?

[00:36:37] Um, but yeah, it looks, it looks pretty interesting.

[00:36:41] And like the commentary, one of the bylines they put on the screen at one point, um, from some critic or something that scene is like a film that talks about what it means to be truly seen.

[00:36:50] And like, you're like, okay, I think I, I think I know what they're going for.

[00:36:54] And yeah, it seems pretty, uh, pretty interesting.

[00:36:57] So, yeah.

[00:36:57] So I'm, uh, I am very, very intrigued as well.

[00:37:01] It's already getting a lot of acclaim and kind of the festivals it's played in.

[00:37:04] Uh, this film is going to be released, uh, September 20th.

[00:37:07] Um, so, um, yeah.

[00:37:11] Variety film critic, Piedl DeBruge has said that the director attempts to put in quote, a lifetime of thoughts about beauty and ugliness, attraction and disgust identity and performance.

[00:37:22] Wow.

[00:37:22] Quote into the dark comedy.

[00:37:24] So yeah, I'm, uh, I'm excited.

[00:37:26] Yeah.

[00:37:26] It's going to be great.

[00:37:27] September 20th is the release date in theaters for that A24 film, A Different Man.

[00:37:33] Okay.

[00:37:33] All right.

[00:37:35] Okay.

[00:37:35] So let's talk about one, uh, that we've, I've never talked about and honestly, I just found it a little bit ago.

[00:37:43] Um, cause I was looking up, just trying to see what new trailers, cause I feel like the last couple of weeks I haven't really seen any real new trailers.

[00:37:49] Okay.

[00:37:50] And, um, this one popped up.

[00:37:53] I have no idea anything about it other than I know who directed it and who is, uh, who's in it.

[00:37:58] And I know the general tone of the film.

[00:38:01] Uh, it's a, and it's one of these films where it's, uh, the, the film's title is the deliverance.

[00:38:08] Okay.

[00:38:08] Okay.

[00:38:09] Which right away, this sounds like, all right, just like we've had so many variations of the word exorcism or exorcist in our films.

[00:38:16] All starring Russell Crowe.

[00:38:18] Yeah.

[00:38:18] That's right.

[00:38:19] This one does not star Russell Crowe, but this is the deliverance.

[00:38:22] It is a horror film.

[00:38:24] Okay.

[00:38:25] Coming out on Netflix.

[00:38:26] It is an exorcism film.

[00:38:28] But here's the thing is interesting.

[00:38:30] Directed by Lee Daniels.

[00:38:32] Lee Daniels, uh, was, uh, known for doing the film precious many, many years ago.

[00:38:38] He did the Butler.

[00:38:39] Uh, he did the paper boy.

[00:38:41] Okay.

[00:38:41] I never saw the paper boy.

[00:38:43] I don't think I saw the paper boy.

[00:38:44] I'm a notorious film.

[00:38:45] Supposedly had a very mixed reaction when it came out with, uh, um, what is her name?

[00:38:52] Oh, come on.

[00:38:53] AMC lady.

[00:38:53] Uh, always sitting down.

[00:38:55] Nicole Kidman.

[00:38:56] There we go.

[00:38:56] Sorry.

[00:38:57] I like the fact that she is now known as the AMC lady.

[00:39:00] That's why I see her mostly in now.

[00:39:02] So yeah.

[00:39:03] Every time I'm at the theater, uh, Miss Kidman welcomes me to come to the theater.

[00:39:07] Uh, anyway, this film, uh, stars Andre Day, stars Glenn Close and Monique, who Monique

[00:39:14] was also in precious that Lee Daniels did.

[00:39:17] Okay.

[00:39:17] I thought it was interesting.

[00:39:18] Lee Daniels is doing a exorcism horror film.

[00:39:22] Yes.

[00:39:23] Um, I was surprised Glenn Close is in it.

[00:39:26] I have not seen the trailer.

[00:39:28] Okay.

[00:39:28] Uh, I honestly just pulled it up cause I thought, well, this will be interesting.

[00:39:31] It is a Netflix film.

[00:39:32] So it's actually coming out in a few weeks on Netflix.

[00:39:35] Okay.

[00:39:35] Um, it is the film follows a family living in Indiana who are plagued by supernatural and

[00:39:41] demonic occurrences that lead them in their community to believe their house is a portal

[00:39:46] to hell.

[00:39:47] Okay.

[00:39:47] Um, so also, uh, Lee Daniels also did the film, the United States versus Billie Holiday.

[00:39:54] Okay.

[00:39:55] In which Audra Day was the star of that film.

[00:39:57] So it's their second collaboration together.

[00:40:00] Okay.

[00:40:00] Anyway, I was just curious when I saw the byline come up and the trailers here.

[00:40:04] So let's watch the trailer and see if there's anything here worth discussing.

[00:40:08] Okay.

[00:40:09] Here we go with the deliverance.

[00:40:26] Okay.

[00:40:47] So that was the trailer.

[00:40:49] First viewing of it for us, uh, of the deliverance coming out on Netflix, August 30th.

[00:40:54] Chris, anything of interest here?

[00:40:57] Um, I, yeah, you, whenever you see this piece of text come up on screen, you're like, okay,

[00:41:02] said based on a true story.

[00:41:04] Um, so I don't, interesting about, you know, a possession or whatever.

[00:41:10] Um, I will say I'm amazed or surprised as you kind of alluded to in the setup at the

[00:41:15] talent that has signed on to this because from the trailer, it just looks like a pretty

[00:41:20] standard, you know, demonic possession movie and you like stuff's going weird and they,

[00:41:25] you know, either everybody dies or they somehow figure out to cast it even out.

[00:41:28] Um, but, and yeah, like you're saying, Lee Daniels decided to make a horror film also kind

[00:41:34] of interesting.

[00:41:35] Um, so I don't know, I guess cautiously curious.

[00:41:38] Yeah.

[00:41:39] That's, that's where I am with it.

[00:41:40] I, you know, like this is not typically my type of film.

[00:41:43] I'm notoriously bad at exorcism films.

[00:41:45] I don't like them.

[00:41:46] I just more personally for me.

[00:41:48] Sure.

[00:41:49] I finally broke down and watched the exorcist like in full viewing, you know, not only just

[00:41:53] a few months ago.

[00:41:54] Okay.

[00:41:55] It's, I like the fact that it's a different setting.

[00:41:58] It's a different environment.

[00:41:59] Yeah.

[00:41:59] African-American cast kind of in a different part of the United States community wise.

[00:42:03] I like all of that.

[00:42:05] I like the talent that's involved.

[00:42:06] I like the director involved.

[00:42:09] The trailer doesn't look like anything very different than a typical exorcism movie,

[00:42:15] but I'm hoping that that's, I'm hoping it's more than that.

[00:42:17] Well, and there's something that did, which I didn't really cue into until I saw the trailer

[00:42:22] because you had the setup, but the fact it appears to kind of give a little bit of commentary

[00:42:27] about kind of a, an African-American community where this is happening.

[00:42:30] So you kind of have a, what if they made a horror movie in like a wee grownup type thing about,

[00:42:35] you know, so, cause we talked about that film recently.

[00:42:37] So, um, yeah, like showing like that kind of experience in a small community with like

[00:42:43] an exorcism.

[00:42:44] I don't know that I've ever seen an exorcism film that investigated it happening in like

[00:42:49] an African-American community.

[00:42:50] So maybe that is why some of the names signed on because it's just like, no, it's more than

[00:42:55] just a horror film.

[00:42:56] There's more going on here.

[00:42:57] I kind of thinking that may be the angle for it.

[00:43:00] So yeah, I'm, I'm with you.

[00:43:02] I'm curious and I'm waiting to hear if this turns out to be a pretty good movie or not.

[00:43:07] And we're checking out maybe when we talk about in a few weeks, who knows?

[00:43:11] Okay, Chris, I just realized that there is a trailer that came out.

[00:43:14] I honestly just realized it like right here, sitting here that I feel like we should talk

[00:43:19] about.

[00:43:20] I feel like you've probably already seen it because I can't imagine you wouldn't have

[00:43:23] seen it if you saw it popped up to watch.

[00:43:25] Okay.

[00:43:26] But I also had another trailer that I was going to bring up instead, but I kind of don't really

[00:43:30] want to see this other trailer.

[00:43:31] A last minute judgment call.

[00:43:33] Yeah.

[00:43:33] I'm actually, you know what?

[00:43:34] I'm going to scrap.

[00:43:35] Um, I was going to show the trailer for the substance, which is that Demi Moore Margaret

[00:43:40] Qualley film that we talked about winning that got all this acclaim at, um, at the camp

[00:43:45] festival.

[00:43:46] That's a big body horror, uh, thing.

[00:43:49] You know what?

[00:43:50] Love body horror.

[00:43:51] I do.

[00:43:53] And sub note.

[00:43:54] I don't.

[00:43:55] Um, which I have seen the trailer and thought it was really interesting.

[00:43:58] Well, the trailer is in the film.

[00:44:00] I still think it looks very visually interesting.

[00:44:02] All right.

[00:44:02] So let me just ask you, do you want to talk about that film and show the trailer and talk

[00:44:06] about that trailer?

[00:44:07] Or would you like to talk, show the trailer and talk about the, uh, the Bob Dylan movie?

[00:44:15] Let's, let's do, uh, let's do Bob Dylan.

[00:44:17] I have seen it, but I wouldn't mind.

[00:44:18] I've only seen it once.

[00:44:19] So yeah, let's, uh, let's do that.

[00:44:21] I think that's probably a more interesting talk.

[00:44:24] We can bring up the substance at another episode.

[00:44:26] So, uh, this is the trailer and, uh, for the film, a complete unknown directed by James

[00:44:33] Mangold, who most recently did the latest Indiana Jones and the dollar destiny.

[00:44:37] He also did walk the line, the Johnny cash biopic movie and Logan.

[00:44:41] Oh, and Logan.

[00:44:42] So connecting with our review at the beginning of the show, which I saw this trailer for

[00:44:46] the first time before Deadpool and Wolverine.

[00:44:49] It actually kind of ties.

[00:44:50] Yeah.

[00:44:51] Full circle.

[00:44:51] Yeah.

[00:44:52] Um, it is starring, look, I'll tell you, the trailer is positioned so that if anybody

[00:45:00] doesn't know who is starring in this film, it leaves you wondering until right up to

[00:45:05] the last moment it can to show who the lead actor is.

[00:45:08] Cause even when I showed it to my wife, she had no idea who was playing Dylan, which is

[00:45:12] what this movie is about.

[00:45:13] Bob Dylan.

[00:45:14] We, and we have talked about this on the show.

[00:45:17] So we've revealed to our listeners.

[00:45:18] It's not a spoiler thing to not know who the star is.

[00:45:21] She can't do that.

[00:45:22] But I think the trailer does play that up as long as it can.

[00:45:25] Totally.

[00:45:26] You don't know who the lead actor is until right to a certain moment.

[00:45:29] Sure.

[00:45:29] Anyway, this is the trailer for a complete unknown starring a Mr.

[00:45:33] Timothy Chalamet, who starring as Bob Dylan.

[00:45:36] Yes.

[00:45:36] As we alluded to with this film months ago, when we talked about its production, it, uh,

[00:45:41] is focusing on a very specific time period of Dylan's life.

[00:45:45] Kind of that early days of him getting, uh, noticed, uh, for his, his art.

[00:45:50] And, uh, so anyway, let's take a look at the trailer for a complete unknown.

[00:45:58] I want to tell you a little story.

[00:46:01] A few months back, my friend Woody Guthrie and I, we met a young man.

[00:46:09] He dropped in on us out of nowhere and he played us a song.

[00:46:12] In that moment, we got a feeling we were getting a glimpse of the future.

[00:46:26] Oh, where have you been?

[00:46:28] My blue eyed son, my darling young one.

[00:46:41] So the trailer for a complete unknown, the Bob Dylan film starring Timothy Chalamet, directed

[00:46:48] by James Mangold.

[00:46:50] Chris, do you have any initial thoughts after seeing this?

[00:46:52] I mean, it's, uh, I'll say, um, if that is not Timothy Chalamet actually singing the Bob

[00:47:04] Dylan songs, I'm going to be disappointed.

[00:47:06] My understanding is it is.

[00:47:07] Okay.

[00:47:08] Um, just because, especially from that trailer, like I knew when it started, I was like,

[00:47:11] Oh, I know what this is.

[00:47:12] This is, you know, before they showed Tim, I knew he was going to be in it, but the way

[00:47:16] they set it up, it's like, okay, you know, like for instance, um, completely different

[00:47:22] film.

[00:47:23] Um, but George Clooney not singing, I'm a man of constant sorrow and, um, Oh brother,

[00:47:30] where are thou?

[00:47:30] Kind of heartbreaking.

[00:47:31] Still kind of bugs me.

[00:47:32] I can't sing.

[00:47:33] So it's like, it wasn't going to happen.

[00:47:35] So, but you know, that's such a music plays such a central role in that.

[00:47:38] So even though he's great in that film and I love that film, kind of sad that that wasn't

[00:47:42] him singing.

[00:47:43] Yeah.

[00:47:43] So, but the thing is listening to it in the theater, I was like, okay, if that is him,

[00:47:50] he's doing a really, but it's like, you know, there again, Oscars, people always talk about

[00:47:54] this just because you do an impression.

[00:47:56] Is that really noteworthy?

[00:47:58] But I mean his vote, but I could tell, I felt like I could tell us like, no, that's not

[00:48:03] Bob Dylan.

[00:48:03] It's different enough.

[00:48:05] He's not trying to just mimic it, but man, is that impressive?

[00:48:09] Pretty, pretty, pretty close.

[00:48:11] Yeah.

[00:48:12] Yeah.

[00:48:12] So I thought it was, I thought it was pretty impressive.

[00:48:14] And I think, I think the deal is with Bob Dylan's voice.

[00:48:16] I mean, there's just not any way you could, you can't let somebody else do their own

[00:48:22] interpretation of it or performance of them.

[00:48:24] And you kind of have to nail the vocal intonations of Dylan to make it work in the movie.

[00:48:30] I think you, I just don't think audiences will be able to connect if you don't try to

[00:48:34] match that voice.

[00:48:35] Right.

[00:48:36] And Chalamet does it.

[00:48:38] I mean, at least from that clip, I mean, I know we're only hearing half of one song, but

[00:48:41] it was pretty good.

[00:48:43] Look, I'm, I've been on record.

[00:48:47] I can't say I'm the biggest Timothy Chalamet fan.

[00:48:50] Okay.

[00:48:50] Okay.

[00:48:51] He did impress me a little bit in bones and all that was a film I really liked with him

[00:48:55] in it.

[00:48:56] Outside of that, he's fine, but nothing's really boiled me over.

[00:49:02] I want to see if this is the film that does it.

[00:49:04] I don't know.

[00:49:05] I, it's kind of, I mean, he's been putting a position or so many similarities to where

[00:49:10] Joaquin Phoenix was at the time he did walk the line.

[00:49:14] Joaquin Phoenix had done some independent films.

[00:49:16] He had done some other films.

[00:49:17] He did gladiator.

[00:49:19] He's kind of known for some different parts, but he hadn't really gotten that role.

[00:49:22] It's like, okay, let's see if you can really act at this point.

[00:49:26] And I think walk the line was kind of the one that was like, give him awards.

[00:49:29] He got all the recognition and it was the same director, James Mangold.

[00:49:32] It was a musical biopic, same idea here.

[00:49:36] We got Timothy Chalamet kind of going for that same brass ring that, that, uh, I think,

[00:49:40] uh, you know, but it didn't do Austin Butler any favors when he did Elvis.

[00:49:44] No, it didn't.

[00:49:45] And I think, I think honestly, but yeah, he got a nomination, which is still pretty good.

[00:49:49] I think, I think the Boz Lerman of it with Elvis maybe just held it back from getting

[00:49:54] that universal love feeling because I mean the Boz Lerman film, I loved it, but I did think

[00:50:01] it was a little, it was a little out there for some audiences.

[00:50:04] I think to, to keep a hold of this one does not seem to be going that direct.

[00:50:08] This one seems to be a fairly let's go the very straight serious route and let's, let's

[00:50:14] really make this the right biopic film.

[00:50:16] And, uh, I don't know.

[00:50:18] We'll see.

[00:50:18] And interesting too, because in the trailer, I would have thought otherwise, but you were

[00:50:23] saying that it does kind of focus on a, it's not, that's my understanding.

[00:50:27] Although it looks like it, the trailer does a little bit more time than I would have thought.

[00:50:32] Yeah.

[00:50:32] Um, something admirable that I seem to glimpse from the trailer is that it doesn't look like

[00:50:37] it's necessarily going to put Mr. Bob Dylan up on a pedestal because it looks like there's

[00:50:41] some relationship stuff that happened in real life that maybe, you know, is, is complicated.

[00:50:46] Let's just leave it at that with like Joe and bio specifically.

[00:50:49] And it looks like they kind of referenced some of that and I'm like, well, good.

[00:50:51] They're not just, you know, whitewashing it, making him look same idea that what, again,

[00:50:55] what they did with walk the line, walk the line definitely did not show Johnny Cash and

[00:51:00] the most positive light the entire time.

[00:51:02] Right.

[00:51:03] You have a little bit of a redemption towards the end of the film, which I'm sure that's

[00:51:06] kind of where they go with this.

[00:51:08] So yeah, it's very much in that same playbook and that's could be good.

[00:51:12] Could be bad.

[00:51:13] I don't want it to be just a cookie cutter, simple biopic and by the numbers type of thing.

[00:51:19] I would hope there's something a little bit more here.

[00:51:22] I, the trailer didn't lead me to believe there was anything more than what we're expecting

[00:51:26] to get, but we will certainly see.

[00:51:28] And also curious based on trailer.

[00:51:30] Um, I did not know, or I'd forgotten going into, um, see the trailer that Ed Norton was

[00:51:36] involved with this film.

[00:51:37] Yes.

[00:51:38] Ed Norton's paying Pete Seeger, not Bob Seeger.

[00:51:41] If you recall back when we first talked about this film months ago, uh, he's not playing

[00:51:45] Bob Seeger.

[00:51:46] He's playing Pete Seeger who yes, somebody that obviously was a influential in Dylan's early

[00:51:51] days.

[00:51:52] So it's interesting for me because I, I, I'm interested to see how big a role Ed Norton

[00:52:01] has in this because in the trailer he features quite prominently.

[00:52:05] He's in the beginning and the end of the trailer.

[00:52:06] Yeah.

[00:52:06] And Ed Norton, you know, he's, he's one of those actors where it's like, Oh, it's not

[00:52:12] like they're, he's fading into the background.

[00:52:14] So it's kind of surprising to me because you would figure the film would basically be Mr.

[00:52:17] Chalamet, but it seems like it's interesting to me that Ed Norton seems like he's going

[00:52:22] to be a pretty big supporting character.

[00:52:24] Could be.

[00:52:25] And, uh, not in the trailer, at least that I could see was, uh, was Woody Guthrie who's

[00:52:30] being played by Scoot McNary.

[00:52:32] Okay.

[00:52:32] Um, so he will be in the film as well.

[00:52:34] Scoot McNary is also going to be one of the stars in the speak no evil.

[00:52:39] Yes.

[00:52:39] Which is a trailer we've seen many, many, many times.

[00:52:42] If you go to an AMC movie in the last month.

[00:52:44] Yes.

[00:52:45] Um, and so, yeah, so this is the, the, uh, the fall for, for scoot scoot will be in a

[00:52:51] lot of films this fall.

[00:52:52] It's all of scoot.

[00:52:53] Um, like that.

[00:52:54] So, yeah.

[00:52:54] So that is a complete unknown.

[00:52:56] I think the release date on this is what did it say at the end of the trailer release date

[00:53:02] is going to be hold tight.

[00:53:04] I have it here.

[00:53:05] I'm going to say September second, uh, could be September.

[00:53:10] Maybe the wait is November.

[00:53:12] Um, don't know.

[00:53:14] Actually, I don't have a release date.

[00:53:15] Okay.

[00:53:16] Uh, I don't know why.

[00:53:18] It's definitely this year though.

[00:53:19] I mean, it's gotta be, I mean, that's, that's a pretty full, full trailer at that point.

[00:53:25] Um, yeah, hold on.

[00:53:27] We've got time.

[00:53:28] Everybody's wait.

[00:53:29] I mean, everybody's been listening to the show this long.

[00:53:30] You should sit down for one more second.

[00:53:32] Well, I'll tell you what, while you do investigate that, I'll go ahead and talk about the review

[00:53:37] or the recommendation.

[00:53:39] Yeah.

[00:53:39] I want you to do that.

[00:53:39] Chris Fry has a recommendation for us of a film that he thinks we ought to check out while

[00:53:43] I'm searching for some other information on our trailers.

[00:53:45] Chris, what do you have to recommend for us this week?

[00:53:47] So I'm going to recommend a film from 1998 and it is the Truman show.

[00:53:53] I talked about it recently when I recommended the documentary, the contestant, cause that

[00:53:57] had some similarities.

[00:53:59] That was a real life documentary about a guy who was like trapped or was in a game show,

[00:54:03] but couldn't get out of it kind of thing where he was reality show.

[00:54:06] One of the first ones anyways.

[00:54:07] Um, but it made me think about the Truman show and I hadn't seen it since it had come out

[00:54:12] in 1998.

[00:54:13] So I decided, you know what?

[00:54:14] I'm going to revisit the Truman show and see how it holds up.

[00:54:18] Uh, Jim Carrey was good in it.

[00:54:20] I remember that he was good in it, but he just really, I can't imagine the Truman show

[00:54:24] without him in it.

[00:54:26] He plays Truman Burbank.

[00:54:27] He's the star of the Truman show.

[00:54:29] It's a 24 hour a day reality TV show, but he doesn't know that his life is all faked around

[00:54:35] him and what I had forgotten about it is it's actually a lot more kind of sweet in many

[00:54:42] ways.

[00:54:42] I thought it was going to be really biting and angry for the whole movie, like kind of

[00:54:46] like this criticism of, you know, using this guy's life as entertainment.

[00:54:51] But what I'd forgotten is actually a lot of the people that are kind of involved, you can

[00:54:55] tell they're very conflicted about it, except for Christoph.

[00:54:59] He, he doesn't seem to be at all.

[00:55:01] He's played by Ed Harris, which his character is really interesting, um, as well, kind of

[00:55:06] his, how invested he in it is in it and the things that he tells himself and why he's

[00:55:11] doing it.

[00:55:12] Also interesting too, the film starts off with like no credits.

[00:55:16] It's kind of like starts into the movie and it's like showing you aspects of the TV

[00:55:20] show.

[00:55:20] So it was kind of jarring.

[00:55:21] I'd forgotten that it, it did it that way.

[00:55:24] Um, but yeah, I, I enjoyed the Truman show.

[00:55:26] I saw it streaming.

[00:55:27] It's on Paramount plus.

[00:55:28] If you have that service, you can watch it for free.

[00:55:30] Otherwise it's probably everywhere on VOD.

[00:55:33] But, um, I recommend if you have never seen it, check it out.

[00:55:36] It's good.

[00:55:37] And if you haven't seen it since like me, since 1998, I recommend looking into it again.

[00:55:42] I really liked it.

[00:55:43] I actually, you know, we talk about letterbox and the ratings we give stuff.

[00:55:46] I held back from giving it five stars because the movie snob in me wanted it to end as he

[00:55:53] walked through the door.

[00:55:53] And if you haven't seen that film, you'll realize what I'm talking about.

[00:55:56] Or if you haven't seen the film, you realize what I'm talking about.

[00:55:58] There's some stuff after the wall.

[00:56:00] Yeah.

[00:56:00] It's not that it ruins the film.

[00:56:01] Yeah.

[00:56:01] But the film snob in me wanted it to end like cut to black right when that happened.

[00:56:06] But I do remember there's something after that.

[00:56:07] Yeah.

[00:56:08] Okay.

[00:56:08] Yeah.

[00:56:09] Um, yeah.

[00:56:10] You know what?

[00:56:10] I need, I need a revisit of that film.

[00:56:13] I have not seen it since it originally came out.

[00:56:15] I remember liking it when it came out, but I also think it could have been, uh, uh, yeah,

[00:56:21] there's, it's good for a revisit.

[00:56:22] So glad you recommended it.

[00:56:24] So that is, uh, the Truman show.

[00:56:27] Yes.

[00:56:27] With of course, Mr. Jim Carrey.

[00:56:28] Yes.

[00:56:29] Uh, directed by Peter Weir.

[00:56:30] Peter Weir.

[00:56:31] That's right.

[00:56:31] Good deal.

[00:56:32] Okay.

[00:56:33] It's a good recommendation there, Chris.

[00:56:35] Uh, a complete unknown is just labeled as December.

[00:56:39] Oh, okay.

[00:56:40] So they're going for, going for end of the year rollout for awards.

[00:56:45] Uh, yes, that is the plan.

[00:56:47] Don't have a date, but it just says December.

[00:56:49] So that's obviously what they're targeting there.

[00:56:52] Okay.

[00:56:53] So I think that wraps us up for today.

[00:56:55] We did a review of Deadpool and Wolverine.

[00:56:57] We talked about trailers for a different man, the deliverance and, uh,

[00:57:05] uh, a complete unknown.

[00:57:06] See, I've read, messed up my own notes because I had a different trailer in

[00:57:09] there and we didn't show that.

[00:57:10] I know.

[00:57:10] Okay.

[00:57:11] Boy, I am all out of sorts today, but we got through it.

[00:57:14] We're good.

[00:57:15] All three trailers that we did in your recommendation of a Truman show,

[00:57:19] the Truman show, Chris,

[00:57:20] how can anybody get ahold of us if they want to talk further?

[00:57:23] And then let's talk about the festival as well.

[00:57:26] So you can send an email to info at foot candle.org.

[00:57:30] You can follow us on Twitter at foot candle film, Facebook,

[00:57:33] we're a foot candle film society.

[00:57:34] Instagram and threads.

[00:57:35] We're just foot candle film.

[00:57:37] As I mentioned,

[00:57:38] Alan and I are also on letterbox.

[00:57:39] We try to track what we're seeing and leave quick takes.

[00:57:41] Do us a favor.

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[00:57:43] give us a star rating,

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[00:57:47] because it might help us reach new listeners,

[00:57:49] which we would appreciate.

[00:57:51] And I kind of joked about it beginning of the show,

[00:57:53] but yes,

[00:57:54] we are going to have the 10th annual foot candle film festival,

[00:57:58] September 20th to the 29th.

[00:58:01] And both Alan and I have been working really hard on it.

[00:58:03] So we think it's going to be a good one.

[00:58:04] If you're in Western North Carolina during that time,

[00:58:07] we would love to have you come join us.

[00:58:09] Yes,

[00:58:09] it should be a lot of fun.

[00:58:11] You can go to foot candle film festival.com.

[00:58:13] That is the website where you can see our schedule of the festival.

[00:58:17] You can see all the films that we have announced that we'll be playing during the festival,

[00:58:21] all the different events and activities.

[00:58:23] You can buy individual tickets for individual films or events,

[00:58:26] or get a pass,

[00:58:28] a one-time pass that will get you into everything that we have going on throughout the entire week of the events of the festival.

[00:58:35] It's gonna be a lot of fun.

[00:58:36] I think about 30 films.

[00:58:37] We've got total coming plus a concert outdoor movie night.

[00:58:41] We've got a short film showcase night with reception.

[00:58:46] We've got a opening night with a screenwriter competition and filmmaking competition.

[00:58:51] It's just,

[00:58:52] man,

[00:58:53] every time I describe it,

[00:58:54] I'm like,

[00:58:54] how are we pulling this off?

[00:58:56] Cause this is a lot.

[00:58:57] I don't know how we're doing it,

[00:58:58] but we are.

[00:58:59] And it's going to be a,

[00:59:00] uh,

[00:59:01] going to be a great time.

[00:59:02] So please come check us out.

[00:59:03] Foot candle film festival.com.

[00:59:05] September 20th through the 29th is the official dates of the festival.

[00:59:08] Not something going on every night at a festival,

[00:59:11] but go look at the schedule and you can see exactly when things are public facing events that you could take part in.

[00:59:17] So,

[00:59:18] all right,

[00:59:18] Chris,

[00:59:19] I think we're done.

[00:59:20] We're going to wrap it up.

[00:59:21] Thanks so much for everybody listening.

[00:59:22] And we'll look forward to talking to everybody next time.

[00:59:25] See you in the ticket line.

[00:59:29] Special thanks to Carpal Tuller for the show theme music.

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