Beetlejuice Beetlejuice

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[00:00:35] Hello everyone and welcome to Footcandle Films here on the Mesh.TV podcast network.

[00:00:41] Alan Jackson with you here along with Chris Fry.

[00:00:44] We of the Footcandle Films Society in the Annual Footcandle Film Festival,

[00:00:50] coming up September 20th to 29th.

[00:00:51] But we'll talk about that here a little bit later,

[00:00:53] but we've got some things to get to first before we plug our own festival

[00:00:57] and that is actually having this show, Chris.

[00:00:59] How are you doing today?

[00:01:01] I'm doing good.

[00:01:02] I am curious about what your take is on the movie that we're going to review today.

[00:01:07] Alright, well, curious as they good were to put it because I am also equally curious.

[00:01:11] We are talking about the film, Beetlejuice Beetlejuice.

[00:01:15] We will be reviewing that film in just a moment,

[00:01:18] of course the latest from Director Tim Burton,

[00:01:21] starring Course Michael Keaton as the Aponymous.

[00:01:25] Beetlejuice and when owner rider and many others

[00:01:28] will be reviewing that film,

[00:01:30] kind of an anticipated eagerly anticipated film that we've been looking forward to.

[00:01:34] But we've also got a lot of questions about so we'll see how those questions are answered in a moment.

[00:01:39] After that review of Beetlejuice Beetlejuice though we will be dipping our toes

[00:01:43] into a couple of other films that will be released in the next few months

[00:01:46] through the means of trailers watching some of the trailers of a couple of films

[00:01:50] and talking about these upcoming releases in some of our

[00:01:55] gauging our interests levels and what we're seeing in the films being teased.

[00:01:59] And then we also are going to end the show with one of Chris Fries.

[00:02:03] Awesome, highly anticipated, eagerly, eagerly weighted recommendations.

[00:02:09] Because I'm building it up over high things.

[00:02:10] I build it up a lot.

[00:02:12] We are about whether or not we under or over high.

[00:02:16] If we are learning there is a science to the idea of getting over or underhyped

[00:02:20] for a film, it does have an impact on your viewing.

[00:02:23] But we know you're already going to recommend this film at the end of the show.

[00:02:27] So I can't really over-hype it.

[00:02:28] I'm building up the fact that we are all waiting to hear what are you going to recommend for us.

[00:02:33] Fair enough.

[00:02:34] So we'll be doing that at the end of the show.

[00:02:35] So guess to ground for that.

[00:02:37] But before we get to any of that, the trailers or the recommendation,

[00:02:41] we do have a review to give and it is of Beetlejuice Beetlejuice.

[00:02:45] Can't believe Grandpa is dead.

[00:02:47] That's hard.

[00:02:49] Yeah, sometimes I think life is harder.

[00:02:59] When I was the teenager, a trickster demon,

[00:03:03] terrorized her entire family and tried to force an amary him.

[00:03:10] I believed he was gone forever until you found this in the attic.

[00:03:15] No.

[00:03:15] These Beetlejuice.

[00:03:18] Don't ever say that name Beetlejuice.

[00:03:21] No, I'm serious.

[00:03:24] If you say it's into a guy, you will appear.

[00:03:29] Beetlejuice.

[00:03:31] The juice is loose.

[00:03:35] Chris from many people back in the 80s,

[00:03:39] I know Peelie's big adventure was Tim Burton's kind of Biffers Big Movie.

[00:03:45] But for a lot of people, Beetlejuice was the one that kind of put him on the map,

[00:03:49] and he gave him a style, gave him a flare,

[00:03:53] gave him a kind of a look to a film that we kind of grow to admire.

[00:04:00] It all kind of started from my mind anyway.

[00:04:02] Yeah, Peelie's tail the creative, but Beetlejuice really played

[00:04:06] into what Tim Burton was as a filmmaker.

[00:04:09] So it kind of also stayed a little bit of a standard for his work.

[00:04:12] I think for decades after that, a lot of things are always being compared to

[00:04:16] this period of Beetlejuice and then him doing the original Batman movie,

[00:04:20] and then maybe a couple others.

[00:04:21] Everything obviously seemed to be kind of compared back to that.

[00:04:25] So the fact that Tim Burton is now gone back and has it really,

[00:04:28] is it 30 years?

[00:04:29] What's the time for me?

[00:04:32] 35 years.

[00:04:33] Gone back 35 years to make a sequel of Beetlejuice, called Beetlejuice,

[00:04:39] which I think is a very clever title for this.

[00:04:42] And this is fraught with questions.

[00:04:45] We've been asking questions about this film for a good while.

[00:04:49] We're both anticipating it, we're eager to see it.

[00:04:53] We're awesome.

[00:04:53] Maybe a little concern Tim Burton maybe hasn't been quite at the top of his game

[00:04:58] in recent years.

[00:05:00] We haven't been as enamored with a lot of his more recent films.

[00:05:03] And returning to the property that kind of kind of really got the ball rolling for him.

[00:05:09] And also a start turning.

[00:05:11] Michael Keaton was already a star, but it just took Michael Keaton and just elevated him even further

[00:05:17] when this original came out.

[00:05:20] It's a risky proposition.

[00:05:21] But I will say, and I mean you're going to roll your eyes when I say this Chris,

[00:05:24] but we had this happen with Top Gun Maverick.

[00:05:27] Same kind of situation.

[00:05:29] It was a beloved film from the 80s.

[00:05:32] Big hit by some.

[00:05:34] And I think people could say the thing, but Beetlejuice.

[00:05:36] Yeah, I'm sorry.

[00:05:38] Driven primarily by a star,

[00:05:40] perform star making performance or a really big performance that kind of got recognized

[00:05:46] for many decades.

[00:05:48] And it comes back 30 some years later and tries to rekindle that same energy in that same sense of

[00:05:56] enjoyment at the movie theater.

[00:05:58] So we can compare how these did compare to Top Gun Maverick a little bit later.

[00:06:03] But more importantly, Chris, I know I'm building this up on making a film.

[00:06:06] I'm not realizing this a really long introduction.

[00:06:09] Just to get to the point of saying, what did you like about Beetlejuice?

[00:06:13] I'll hit the plot in a minute.

[00:06:14] I don't really think people need to hear it so nobuses are the plot.

[00:06:16] People would probably guess.

[00:06:18] I mean, a little bit, it's like, well, okay, finally just throw out there.

[00:06:21] After a family tragedy three generations of the Deeds family, which was the original family from the film.

[00:06:27] Beetlejuice one and a writer, Catherine Nuhara and Jeffrey Jones,

[00:06:30] returned home to winter river.

[00:06:32] Still haunted by Beetlejuice, the demon that lives

[00:06:35] in the after world but connected through their house.

[00:06:39] Lydia's life has turned upside down

[00:06:41] when her teenage daughter, Astritt, played by

[00:06:44] Genoa Taga accidentally opens the portal

[00:06:47] to the afterlife.

[00:06:48] All right, so some of the original characters are back.

[00:06:51] Some of the original locations are back.

[00:06:55] Chris, how did Beetlejuice Beal does work for you?

[00:06:59] I just want to know what your emotion was

[00:07:01] when you walked out of the theater.

[00:07:02] Like what were you feeling?

[00:07:03] Were you feeling disappointment?

[00:07:06] Were you feeling sadness?

[00:07:08] Were you feeling elation?

[00:07:10] Were you feeling satisfaction?

[00:07:11] And where did you fall when you walked out of the theater?

[00:07:14] See, okay.

[00:07:15] So if we're going to take it at that attack

[00:07:17] then I have to jump to the ending

[00:07:18] and how the ending left me.

[00:07:21] And without, you know, there again we are,

[00:07:23] you know, so you were like,

[00:07:23] oh, just go ahead and spoil it.

[00:07:24] We've already seen the movie.

[00:07:26] Well, I can't guarantee that the people listening to the movie.

[00:07:28] So I'm not going to spoil anything,

[00:07:30] but I will say the ending

[00:07:34] I was a little, I was a little worried

[00:07:37] because I thought things were getting tied up

[00:07:39] in a very neat bow.

[00:07:41] But then Burton made sure it was just the right amount

[00:07:43] of a skew at the end.

[00:07:46] You know, maybe a little jagged around the edges

[00:07:48] of the bow, the ribbon that was used.

[00:07:50] That was like, okay, nope, that's, that's cool.

[00:07:54] So I did, I walked out happy that I'd seen it.

[00:07:58] I mean, it's tough with sequels,

[00:08:01] especially one that is this spaced out from the original.

[00:08:05] You know, I think the line I kept saying

[00:08:07] we would talk about, we saw, watch the trailer here

[00:08:10] and we talked about it here on the show.

[00:08:12] Was that, well, Tim Burton has waited this long to do it

[00:08:17] and he's got the cast coming back then surely

[00:08:20] it's not just gonna be purely,

[00:08:22] and I think he's even said,

[00:08:23] I mean, but who wouldn't say this on a press tour?

[00:08:25] No, this wasn't a money grab.

[00:08:26] You know, this wasn't, you know,

[00:08:28] I didn't do, I wasn't doing this

[00:08:29] to just make a lot of money.

[00:08:31] I mean, but we've seen that from this past weekend

[00:08:34] I think it has made money, so that's good for him.

[00:08:37] And for everybody involved in best-ers,

[00:08:41] I still like the first home better.

[00:08:43] However, this film wasn't, I felt,

[00:08:49] let me talk about the things I like

[00:08:50] before because there's one major thing

[00:08:52] that kind of holds me back from really loving the film.

[00:08:55] I liked it.

[00:08:56] I wasn't disappointed, I don't think it was a pure money grab

[00:08:59] and the plus is for me,

[00:09:01] and a lot of it's probably nostalgia.

[00:09:03] Like you mentioned, came out in 88, so I was 14

[00:09:05] when I went to go see it.

[00:09:07] And this was, as you mentioned,

[00:09:09] I don't think I saw the original P.E. movie

[00:09:11] until after the Beetle Juice movie

[00:09:13] because I wasn't, I wasn't one of those

[00:09:15] that popped down to the TV and like,

[00:09:18] it was the Saturday morning cartoon.

[00:09:19] In the movie wasn't a big hit in the theaters.

[00:09:21] I'm not gonna talk to people when to go see it in the theaters.

[00:09:24] It became more of a cult classic afterwards.

[00:09:26] And again, that's why I say Beetle Juice

[00:09:28] was kind of the one where it's like,

[00:09:29] oh there's this dude Tim Burton who makes movies

[00:09:31] and look how cool this is, anyway.

[00:09:33] And he, and this was the first to really get into

[00:09:35] the kind of at the time the sensibility

[00:09:38] and the cobs sense of humor and like the real kind

[00:09:41] of quirky, just sense of humor,

[00:09:44] dark, like, like, like, like, like, yeah, right.

[00:09:47] So this was the first one to really do that for me

[00:09:49] and kind of make me aware

[00:09:50] that that's something that appealed to me.

[00:09:52] So right off the bat, the pluses

[00:09:55] of having the gang back together, you mentioned,

[00:09:57] and Keaton, writer, a hero, Burton of course,

[00:10:00] is director Danny.

[00:10:01] And I assume it wasn't totally aware

[00:10:04] that the music was gonna be done by Danny of it,

[00:10:06] but when I saw that name come on screen,

[00:10:08] I got into the huge criminal my face.

[00:10:11] Just because it's like, yes, this is kind of cool.

[00:10:15] The cast clearly is having a ball, at least I think they are.

[00:10:20] And I will say we, I think back when again,

[00:10:23] back when we discussed the trailer,

[00:10:25] I talked about having the original cast,

[00:10:27] come back and you said, well, there is one exception.

[00:10:30] And I think that's a very,

[00:10:31] I thought it was kind of like a clever work around,

[00:10:34] maybe he was overdone just a little bit,

[00:10:38] but Jeffrey Jones did not return well.

[00:10:41] His character, as you mentioned, returned,

[00:10:44] but that actor himself did not return

[00:10:45] because he's run into some trouble times

[00:10:47] as kind of a problematic figure in Hollywood.

[00:10:50] So they sidesteped that I think very creatively,

[00:10:53] but then I thought maybe like they may be overused it,

[00:10:58] just a tad, just a tad, but it was still very cleverly done.

[00:11:01] And I like everybody knows you've seen the trailer

[00:11:04] and you saw the first of the use of sandworms

[00:11:07] and that being like stop motion,

[00:11:08] that's something that Tim Burton has always loved.

[00:11:11] So you have that in this film as well,

[00:11:13] but you have a stop motion sequence

[00:11:15] explaining what happened to Mr. Deeds

[00:11:18] and I felt that and I was like, okay,

[00:11:20] this is where we're going, okay?

[00:11:22] And I liked it, I thought it was clever.

[00:11:27] And all that.

[00:11:27] So before I get into my misgivings,

[00:11:31] I'd like to hear what you thought.

[00:11:34] I had such a good time with this.

[00:11:37] I loved it.

[00:11:38] I thought it was great.

[00:11:40] I have misgivings as well,

[00:11:42] but they're not enough to outweigh my enjoyment.

[00:11:45] Oh yeah, I'm still in the positive view.

[00:11:48] I went in worried.

[00:11:49] Okay.

[00:11:50] I really did.

[00:11:51] I went in very, very pessimistic, assuming

[00:11:54] that it was just gonna be let's rehash everything

[00:11:57] from the first one and that's it.

[00:12:00] And you know, and that Burton might have lost some

[00:12:03] of his edge.

[00:12:04] And I don't think he's in.

[00:12:06] I actually think this film was edgier than the original.

[00:12:09] I actually think there were more surprising elements

[00:12:14] or choices made that I'm like, whoa, okay.

[00:12:18] This is going there.

[00:12:19] And it was cool.

[00:12:21] So I loved it.

[00:12:22] That's crazy.

[00:12:23] Just real quick, the original movie was PG.

[00:12:26] Which is kind of surprising considering what happens in it.

[00:12:29] It came out in 88.

[00:12:31] So you know, that's, but the original movie was PG.

[00:12:34] But there's a lot of like sexual humor and all's kind of stuff.

[00:12:37] And there's the macabre humor.

[00:12:38] This film is PG 13.

[00:12:41] And I noticed, there was one F bomb

[00:12:45] and there was another F bomb that curiously was covered up.

[00:12:48] I think, or did he actually get to say it?

[00:12:50] No, but the first one.

[00:12:51] There were two, there were two.

[00:12:53] There were two.

[00:12:53] Two audible ones and one bit bleeped out.

[00:12:56] Yeah, it was.

[00:12:57] And then I'm, I wonder if it was like we're going to push it as far

[00:13:00] as we can.

[00:13:01] You can get an R, but you've got to take out one of the,

[00:13:03] and they're like, okay.

[00:13:04] And so they could.

[00:13:05] I mean, in also the Gordon violence on it was, I mean,

[00:13:11] I loved it.

[00:13:11] But it was, it was edgy.

[00:13:13] It was, I was surprised.

[00:13:15] I was surprised.

[00:13:16] There's some staple gunning that goes on.

[00:13:18] I was like, oh, and it does that touch it.

[00:13:20] No, I mean, it like goes a whole sequence of staple gunning.

[00:13:23] Certain character, not going to spoil it.

[00:13:26] Certain character that you might have alluded to is a half-eaten person,

[00:13:31] halfway through them, like food most of the movie.

[00:13:33] And it's like, it looks pretty graphic.

[00:13:35] And you know, there's a scene in the waiting room with,

[00:13:39] and the after-alive waiting room where cats are,

[00:13:42] cats are eating from their,

[00:13:44] their owner sitting on the lap.

[00:13:48] It was some pretty edgy stuff.

[00:13:51] And again, I loved it, but I'm like, wow,

[00:13:53] they're pushing it and they're going for fun with this.

[00:13:57] And I tell you, it was a good warm feeling.

[00:14:00] I, when the film first started again,

[00:14:03] my, my, my, my concerns were high.

[00:14:07] Sure.

[00:14:08] You know, we can just say that we ease into the,

[00:14:11] the, the overview shot of the town.

[00:14:13] So I can, you know, the same as for us to fly in my initial thoughts were okay.

[00:14:18] Where are we just doing shot for shot?

[00:14:20] Hello, concern.

[00:14:21] And then it kind of weave and took a little angle.

[00:14:23] And then I think once, honestly, once we saw Lydia deets

[00:14:28] in that, her first shot and I'm realizing, oh, okay.

[00:14:32] We're going a little different here.

[00:14:33] All right, I get it.

[00:14:35] This is going to be fun.

[00:14:36] Right away, I'm, I'm castled.

[00:14:38] Actually, that whole talk show motif at the beginning.

[00:14:43] I think set the mood for me perfectly.

[00:14:45] It was like, and it was funny.

[00:14:47] Yeah.

[00:14:47] And it was good.

[00:14:49] And it was kind of giving us the insight to where the story was going to go.

[00:14:51] And I'm like, I felt comfortable right away after that's opening scene.

[00:14:55] And it just never left me.

[00:14:57] So I think Michael Keaton, like, you really want to get critical was Michael Keaton

[00:15:02] as on top of his game is maybe he was in the original.

[00:15:07] He, he's maybe a stepper toe down, but that's to be expected.

[00:15:10] And I mean, I think to try to match the performance from the first movie would have been

[00:15:15] near impossible or challenging for any actor.

[00:15:18] But he was really, really good and really close.

[00:15:21] So Katherine O'Hara, I thought was amazing.

[00:15:24] I thought her actual depiction of Delia was maybe even better than the original.

[00:15:30] I actually liked her character more this time.

[00:15:33] She had more to do.

[00:15:34] I would, and I think she had some better lines.

[00:15:36] And I think just she just really, she knows this character.

[00:15:39] Katherine O'Hara knows this character so well.

[00:15:42] And I mean, every line just right and they're so entertaining.

[00:15:46] I think it's hard to say, I mean, yeah, but I think in the original film,

[00:15:53] Beetlejuice was the central character.

[00:15:55] I mean, you had the other ones, but he was like the ones you were,

[00:15:58] whereas in this film, I think they tried to, and they, I understand making a different

[00:16:02] the deeds family took much more of like a lot of spotlight.

[00:16:06] Like you have one on a writer's Lydia, you have Delia, you have Astrid.

[00:16:09] And I think they spread it out a little more so that he wasn't as, well, I kind of,

[00:16:16] I got into a conversation last night with somebody with this afterwards.

[00:16:19] And I disagree a little bit.

[00:16:21] I actually think Beetlejuice in the original movie

[00:16:24] was an even more minor character than we realized.

[00:16:27] And I think you look back in the film and you think, okay, yeah, he's the main one.

[00:16:30] No, I mean, it was the maintenance.

[00:16:32] I mean, we followed the maintenance for a good 75% of that movie.

[00:16:35] That was Gina Davis in Alabama.

[00:16:37] Right.

[00:16:37] Beetlejuice was a much more of a supporting character.

[00:16:40] I actually think he got a little more time in this one, but you are right that they spread

[00:16:45] out the other supporting characters.

[00:16:47] I mean, we did have a pretty big cast.

[00:16:49] We had a bigger cast in this movie than we did in the original.

[00:16:53] That would probably be my, my one missgiving.

[00:16:57] And I don't know if that's going to be where you're going with it or not.

[00:17:01] I know there's probably a temptation after 35 years to just put in every good idea they had

[00:17:07] in this movie.

[00:17:08] I felt like the film might have been a little over stuff with plot lines and characters.

[00:17:13] That some of them ended very unceremoniously.

[00:17:16] It was like you build up a subplot throughout the film.

[00:17:20] There at one point there's like five different subplots going on in the late part of the film.

[00:17:24] I enjoyed all of them.

[00:17:25] I was interested in all of the subplots, but about two of them kind of just ended like

[00:17:31] very quickly and it was like, oh, okay, well, I guess that we're done with that storyline.

[00:17:36] It felt like there was a lot going on at the end that maybe could have been a little sharper

[00:17:40] focused, but again, it did not impact my enjoyment of the film.

[00:17:44] It's just as the one thing I walked away wishing there were one or two of those subplots they

[00:17:48] that we could have done a little more with or not have done them at all.

[00:17:53] So that was my only, that's really my only missgiving with the film.

[00:17:57] Otherwise I thought it was great.

[00:17:59] What is your, what was your missgiving?

[00:18:00] That's going to talk about the the concerns you had.

[00:18:02] So it, it is along the same lines.

[00:18:08] My missgiving was the relationship pairs and actually I guess in one it's a relationship trio.

[00:18:16] Lydia and her partner in the TV show, Rory,

[00:18:19] played by Justin Throau and then eventually her husband, the father of

[00:18:26] Astrid who's deceased.

[00:18:27] Okay, so that's one pair or one that they're a trio.

[00:18:31] Okay, the next one is Astrid and Jeremy.

[00:18:36] And Jeremy Astrid's the daughter of Lydia and Jeremy is a fellow that she meets that she

[00:18:42] actually develops a relationship with and she just like Lydia in the first movie is very dark,

[00:18:48] brooding, standoff as she can see why they chose Genoa Taga to play Astrid because of her work

[00:18:54] with Wednesday with Tim Burton. It's like, yes, she, she already knows what she's doing.

[00:18:58] She's, she's got this.

[00:18:58] Okay, so that's the second, second group. And then we have Beetlejuice and a former wife.

[00:19:06] I think he actually did say at one point he married her named Dolores. Okay, so you have all

[00:19:11] all of those things in there and I felt like one or maybe two of them could have been dumped.

[00:19:18] Well, and then it would have worked. And the one that I would stress was the most interesting to me

[00:19:23] was Astrid and Jeremy. Yes. And the reason why was because Jeremy was able to reflect

[00:19:32] something without getting into it and it's for the dream. Jeremy was able to reflect some

[00:19:37] plot threads from the first film that kind of take them and turn them a little bit in a way.

[00:19:43] And that was kind of surprising to me. And I thought the guy who played Jeremy are

[00:19:48] content, who I am completely unfamiliar with. I think this may be his first big role first thing

[00:19:54] I've recognized him in the end. I thought he was great. You didn't, to me, he was able which you know,

[00:20:00] we talked about Genoa Tega. It was like they were, they were equally matched and like he didn't

[00:20:05] seem like out of place like, oh yeah, here's this nobody in this film with all these big names

[00:20:09] or in the first minute. Nope, he was able to like to and I really, really liked that and I

[00:20:15] wish there could have been more put into that because the other two, the Beetlejus Tours throw away

[00:20:22] other than giving you some, some Netherworld stuff going on. Well, there wasn't really anything

[00:20:28] there for me and the Lydian Rory thing. I kind of feel like you know where that's going anyway.

[00:20:34] Yeah. So there wasn't anything interesting. The Lydian Rory and that's a little bit of our

[00:20:42] Delia and Ortho dynamic from the original film a little bit of that idea like two people that are kind of

[00:20:50] there's some ulterior motives going on between people. It's just, yeah, it's a little bit of that.

[00:20:55] I thought that was a fun subplot you know, just as so it didn't take up too much time. I thought

[00:20:59] it was fine. I thought Justin throw was really great. He was good. Yeah, he was good. I agree with you.

[00:21:04] I was the most fascinated or interested in the Astrid and Jeremy storyline.

[00:21:11] Happy that even though I think a reveal is telegraphed very, very early and very easy, but yet the film

[00:21:22] still managed to surprise me with something in it on a second, on a second beat.

[00:21:28] That was nice because I'm like, oh, I know where this is going. I know what this is. It's like, oh,

[00:21:35] actually correct. I actually know this is actually more interesting. So there's something you're like, okay,

[00:21:39] but then it goes further. And that was myth me. I was like, yeah, and that's what made me do a

[00:21:44] such potential there. I'm like, oh, wow. Oh, wow. And I wanted to just give itself over to that.

[00:21:50] And that was one of those subplots I told you that I felt like just kind of ended. Yeah, very unceremoniously.

[00:21:55] It's like, it was funny the way it ended, but it was like, oh, okay. I guess that we're done with that.

[00:22:00] There was more that could have been mine there. I thought, but anyway, yeah, I'm with you on that.

[00:22:05] The Beetlejuice in his former X-Wife, you know, played by, um, shoot played by Monica Belici.

[00:22:15] I thought really had great potential and there is, I'll say that subplot is justified if nothing else

[00:22:24] for the origin story that we get, which I thought was absolutely hilarious and so well done.

[00:22:32] I completely forgot about that. And I'm glad you reminded me, so yeah, you do get an origin story,

[00:22:38] which is told in black and white and in Spanish with Michael Keaton's Puzzle or Beal just delivering

[00:22:44] the narration and it's been done as a very kind of old style film, you know, it was just like a horror film

[00:22:51] so we heard, but it was cool and it was total timber. Oh, yeah. So yeah, I will agree like,

[00:22:56] I was really shocked that that happened and that was a complete surprise to me. But yeah,

[00:23:02] I'll give you that it made Dolores worth it just for that back. Sure, because you're like,

[00:23:06] do what? The first story was also another one that by the time we got to the end of it,

[00:23:10] it's like, oh, okay, well, that's done. And you know, both of them felt like that was a little

[00:23:16] little wasted opportunity in both opportunities. Both of them. If I had to pick one or the other,

[00:23:20] I definitely would have gone with the the asterion and Jeremy was definitely more interesting.

[00:23:25] But both could have been used. The only one that I still found incredibly intriguing, but I do

[00:23:33] feel like maybe my a taken up more time than needed when we had these other two subplots. Yeah,

[00:23:39] I love the concept. Yep. I love this character and it was funny. It was very funny, but at the

[00:23:46] end of the day, I'm like, okay, well in a movie that I felt like was already had a lot going on.

[00:23:50] It just was a distraction from these other more interesting subplots, where it's basically just

[00:23:59] playing up a funny motif throughout the film and having fun with it. And it was really funny,

[00:24:05] but it didn't really add anything to the film. So here's my thing. Here's my, you know,

[00:24:10] Alan and Chris fixing the movies. So Bill G's Beetlejuice. Make the film better by just doing

[00:24:15] Master in Jeremy and drop Lydia and Roy and Bill G's into lorys. I think the movie would be

[00:24:19] much better or drop Lydia and Roy storyline drop Master in Jeremy, keep Beetlejuice into lorys

[00:24:26] and beef up the William Defoker. Because he is kind of a, he has plays Wolf Jackson, who's this

[00:24:33] another world. He thinks of himself. He's actually just an actor, but thinks of himself as like a

[00:24:39] Ivan, I like police chief type guy who's solving all these like crimes. So he is trying to track

[00:24:44] down d'Alorys who is known to be this badty. So beef up both of those and then maybe you'd have,

[00:24:51] you know, it would be more like, I think in this combination could have helped make a stronger film.

[00:24:55] Right. Again, luckily I enjoyed every all the elements. So just like, all right, yeah, I know there's

[00:25:01] a lot going on in the ass. Somebody's storylines didn't really go anywhere. Some of them didn't in the way.

[00:25:05] I would hope they would, however, I still enjoyed them all. So it's like, I can't fault the film too much.

[00:25:12] It's almost like they just got so excited about what to do these things. It's like how do we get

[00:25:16] all this great stuff into this movie? Okay, well let's try it and something had to be sacrificed

[00:25:22] because of it unfortunately. So I feel like for me if you can believe the press tour hype about

[00:25:28] I didn't do it for money and he says like this, I kind of returned what made me love

[00:25:33] making movies in the first place because I, you know, and I feel like I feel like I can see his joy

[00:25:39] and I think to do weird stuff. And especially did you like the ending as much as I did? Okay.

[00:25:45] And so I'm like, I hope that whatever he does next, which, you know, he said on

[00:25:53] especially on record, he's not into making Beetleshoe story, you know, but I hope the next film

[00:25:58] he does will be something completely original and will still be as good as, as good or better

[00:26:05] than this because it won't be a sequel. Right. Because I'm hoping he kind of has gotten his

[00:26:10] mode back. I would hope so too. Yeah, no, I'll make a couple other quick little points just as

[00:26:19] we're going to wrap this up. I mean, it sounds like we're definitely on the same page with this.

[00:26:23] One of the things I want you to tell me because I have one. Yeah. I want me to tell

[00:26:28] I want you to tell me your like favorite moment from the first time. So tell me the other

[00:26:34] things first and then maybe you can come back. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know about a favorite

[00:26:36] moment because there's so many moments that thought were great. I will say I thoroughly enjoyed

[00:26:44] and was surprised by and also enjoyed. I'm just going to say baby Beetlejuice. Okay.

[00:26:52] That was definitely a surprise surprise and little on the edge of your side too. Yeah,

[00:26:58] I kind of yeah where that went. Yes, I agreed. I thought that was very good.

[00:27:04] I think a great Tim Burton touch was Dolores the way that she

[00:27:13] sucked the soul out of people and kind of the visual appearance of that just totally Tim Burton and

[00:27:20] yep, that's that's what we've been missing for the last 20 years. This kind of thing and that was great.

[00:27:26] Yeah, he's as her assembly was kind of echoing Sally from my Air Before Christmas. Like yeah,

[00:27:32] it felt like it was the most Tim Burton he's made in a while. So probably the moment I probably

[00:27:39] left the most which is I mean, I don't think it'll be able to call this out but um

[00:27:45] yeah, they do a little fan service by bringing back all the shrunken head people

[00:27:52] main one being Bob. Bob being interrogated by Willem Dafoe. I just thought was hysterical.

[00:28:01] I don't know why I still have quite figured out what made me laugh so much about that but

[00:28:06] I don't know. I think Tim Burton too just loved the visual image of these bug eyes on the little

[00:28:11] shrunken head guy and you know that can't talk and it's just there's something funny about that

[00:28:16] and he obviously had some fun because Bob got a lot of screen time. Bob and did get a lot of screen time.

[00:28:23] So now those are kind of the more my standout moments. I think the Richard Marx call out.

[00:28:31] See, now you've hit my favorite set. I won't go into detail but yes, the

[00:28:37] my favorite moment was a performance of Richard Marx. So actually my wife who saw the film with me,

[00:28:43] she could not stop laughing about like that. Like the film continued on. We didn't

[00:28:47] need theater laugh and she just kept like laughing about it. In general they did it so much with

[00:28:53] Beetlejuice having different voices that was it worked. There's a whole sequence where he's

[00:29:01] telling the flashback. He just slips into a Spanish dialect and it was just so well done and so funny.

[00:29:08] You got the Richard Marx bit which you know, it's just funny when it happens. Yes. But then even

[00:29:14] the entire yeah they echo a there's a wedding which I have heard some people I read review last night

[00:29:20] and I shouldn't have done that. Luckily I didn't read them before I went to see it. I saw

[00:29:24] a laugh or something like do people fill the same way I do and a lot of people that don't.

[00:29:30] One of the big issues is all they're just hitting the same beats, late in the film,

[00:29:34] there's another wedding, there's a bubble. I'm like I don't care. I thought it was great.

[00:29:39] The fact that the entire wedding is set to a song that I don't even know if I've ever heard.

[00:29:45] So it is a real song. It's a dumb, Donna Summersong.

[00:29:49] And it's like this really odd song that it's like the entire closing is choreographed

[00:29:55] to that with the character singing and I'm like all right this is really weird. But this is great.

[00:30:01] It was really weird and that was another moment where and I beat'll juice acknowledges it

[00:30:07] when he's like oh god I love the dream scene and it keeps going you're like okay but yeah Tim Burton's

[00:30:12] like I am doing this. This is something I want to do and the fact that I had a feeling this song

[00:30:18] and I think I did look in the crescent. It's like okay so it is an actual song but it is a weird song.

[00:30:22] I actually want to go back and listen to just the song without this because I'm like all this

[00:30:27] of it but yeah it's like he is doing what he wants to do. He is clearly having a ball doing this.

[00:30:32] Michael Keden seemed to be having fun because that was the most beat'll juice screen time I think you get.

[00:30:38] Is that what? And yeah it was weird and I can see the complaint like oh you're doing

[00:30:43] weddings but it's just so different. The idea of the wedding I mean like if you really want to get

[00:30:49] a specific about it in the plot I mean the whole idea of a wedding is the wedding is the way a

[00:30:55] demon dead character can kind of come back as you got to get married so that's could become

[00:31:00] some kind of the thread. Beatles just wants to get married because we can get married he gets to

[00:31:03] pre-emself so that's the whole point in the first movie and it's still there in the second movie

[00:31:08] and I'm fine with that I mean it makes sense it wasn't done just for the heck of it isn't

[00:31:12] no there's an actual plot reason to need to have another wedding right and they catch it into

[00:31:18] our an already existing wedding that was planned and I don't know it just it worked for me

[00:31:25] yeah I had fun with it quite a bit and yeah and there was enough surprises in the film too

[00:31:34] with some character choice decisions one main character you know something kind of transpires late

[00:31:40] film which might have been a little bit of an overstop spot point but I know it's a little bit

[00:31:46] interesting yeah and the character that I was not yes something happens to a major character

[00:31:51] I was like oh really yeah I kind of surprised by that there was that there was the whole Jeffrey Jones

[00:31:57] thing the way that was handled which was a real surprise I thought a little daring a little

[00:32:02] edgy to do but interesting the way they did it um you know the storyline with uh

[00:32:10] Mastering Jeremy yeah interesting choices being made there too or me the film was

[00:32:16] was edgy and the film made some daring choices which I was so happy for because I was so afraid

[00:32:21] it was going to play it safe and just you know give the fan to what they won't any other is a lot of

[00:32:27] fan service but not of the fan service bothered me another the fan service felt um was the word

[00:32:36] cliche and just like you know crammed in just for the sake of doing it there's only one moment

[00:32:41] I felt like was fan service that did not make any sense what's that the choir that's saying

[00:32:48] during a funeral say no no it's great okay but why are they playing that song at his funeral

[00:32:55] that wasn't his song no there's no reason I know but I nod I didn't that because I thought

[00:33:00] that was the only moment I'm just like oh that's right he liked that song like no wait

[00:33:04] no that wasn't his song that was the maintenance song by the way they playing it there I'm like

[00:33:08] you know that's only moment I'm like okay yeah so that's like just some some pure fan service just

[00:33:12] played in there said I had not watched the original in a while I'm actually kind of and I thought

[00:33:18] about watching it maybe I know the maintenance like that song and they were playing that song

[00:33:23] at the end of Beetlejuice the first one for Lydia they really like the the Harry Bellafonte song

[00:33:29] um no yeah but Shakespeare's the North end of it at the end but they were playing

[00:33:36] Harry Bellafonte like throughout the movie upstairs but I'm actually wondering now if maybe

[00:33:41] Mr. Deetz was also playing it I didn't see I purposely didn't watch the original before this

[00:33:49] one I wanted to but anyways like nitty-nitty-nitty because I think that's gonna get my expectations

[00:33:53] I'm too excited probably now I would be curious to get back and see it because all I knew was

[00:33:58] the song that they the choir singing that was a song when the first meet and I thought it was a clever

[00:34:03] way to find out that Mr. Deetz actually had put in playing that song at one point and that scene because

[00:34:09] there's a scene where he's in his Dan kind of by himself he seems to be having a good time I remember

[00:34:14] the original if he was playing that song then my criticism is rescinded I'm like that's fine that was his song

[00:34:20] okay otherwise it was the maintenance song there was no connection to him that's what I'm standing by

[00:34:25] that's my only fan service gripe with the film everything else I felt like was at least played in a

[00:34:30] fun good spirit and yeah you could sit here and say all it's just to call back to the original yeah

[00:34:35] it is but it was done in such a fun way in in a loving way that I was okay well and let's say this too

[00:34:43] like yeah it was fun lay loving way but kind of a clever it wasn't just like you know at funeral

[00:34:50] graveside services you have song so it was not just put in you didn't have characters running around singing

[00:34:56] it exactly like so at least it was slightly different I'll say overall I like you I like the

[00:35:02] maybe I think you may have liked it a little more than me maybe but I will say always a good time for me

[00:35:08] if I walk out there and I'm like yeah I'd like to see that again that was where I was I do I do want to see this

[00:35:13] again and I imagine some of the like struggles about Timmy Pines will fall away and I'll just

[00:35:19] appreciate it yeah only last note I saw in my notes I skipped over it just real quick

[00:35:24] another kind of daring surprising choice that I'm surprised they went with but I liked that they did

[00:35:30] I'm just gonna say the soul train oh yeah yeah yeah that totally totally worked for me and

[00:35:39] I mean it was it's a joke yeah and then there's a call back to it but it did so I didn't feel

[00:35:45] like they ever played that yeah it was handled well it was a surprising choice yeah yeah I liked it

[00:35:53] yeah I got it I think it worked I think it was reverent and I think it was

[00:35:58] done in good spirit so yes oh yeah I don't think it was done and yeah yeah yeah I can I could see

[00:36:05] some people trying to take some issue with it but I thought it was all done in good taste

[00:36:12] felt like in the film that's it that's all I'm gonna say with that okay I really did enjoy

[00:36:18] the film and like you listen I'm kind of really anxious so you want to see again I come home from

[00:36:23] these movies a lot of times I go these movies by myself because I'm seeing them late at night or I'm

[00:36:27] seeing them after work and you know this was you know my wife always asked me when I come home

[00:36:32] like well how was the movie and I have to give her like a one sentence review like yeah it was okay

[00:36:37] or yeah it could have been better well I like some parts of it this one actually came back and

[00:36:41] like oh yeah I really liked this film so I'm ready to go see it again so all right well we might be

[00:36:48] in the minority on this one Chris I'm just gonna go and tell you I did do a little peaking late last

[00:36:52] night I can see there's a lot of there's a lot of disappointment floating out there with some

[00:36:57] critics and but I'm here to say I don't me personally I don't feel like it's warranted I thought it was great

[00:37:04] had a good time yeah I made you a little slightly less enthusiastic but yeah I think my expectations

[00:37:11] had been set low enough yeah that I had a good time and yeah I'm good happy all right well that is

[00:37:18] Beetle Gisbeeel just who so glad to hear because you know honestly been worried about this one for a while

[00:37:24] really expected to come out and just feel like it might have been a stinker and been disappointed so

[00:37:29] happy to know at least for us personally it worked so all right well that is playing in theaters

[00:37:35] as Chris alluded to it did make some pretty good money first opening weekends so we'll be around

[00:37:39] for a little while but we are both recommending Beetle do's Beetle do's to check out especially if

[00:37:44] you're a fan of the original I think yeah there's absolutely this one checks the boxes for you so

[00:37:51] okay Chris let's take a quick little break when we come back we've got a couple of trailers for

[00:37:55] some new films that will be really soon that we want to talk about and we have your recommendation

[00:37:59] for the episode so stay tuned you're listening to the candle films right here on the mesh.tv will be right back

[00:38:07] welcome back to thick candle films here on the mesh dot tv podcast network Chris and I had our

[00:38:12] positive review of Beetle do's Beetle do's so Chris we don't think there will be a Beetle do's

[00:38:17] Beetle do's for two reasons one I don't think they're gonna do a third one to

[00:38:23] to say the name of the film means you have to say the name three times which is what we call it out

[00:38:27] right there's Michael Keaton doesn't dress in the costume and run around for the rest of his life

[00:38:32] is kind of pointless right okay so I think we feel pretty good that there's probably not going to be a third one

[00:38:37] all right let's talk about some new films coming out soon

[00:38:43] I don't think we've talked about either these well now I take it back I think you have talked about

[00:38:48] mentioned one of these films though we're gonna see the trailer for it the other one I don't

[00:38:52] think we've talked about yet or at least we have we have I don't recall it but anyway two trailers

[00:38:58] let's get into the first one this is for a film that is from writer director Kyle Mooney

[00:39:05] former Saturday Night Live performer he also made the film Briggs B. Bear did he direct that or

[00:39:11] I don't think he directed that he was just in it yeah and that's where I because I fell off

[00:39:18] the Saturday Night Live bandwagon a while ago so I was very I don't think I was really familiar with him

[00:39:25] as a Saturday Night Live cast member but I saw Briggs B. Bear and I really liked it kind of how it was

[00:39:31] odd he wrote Briggs B. Bear and started in it but not directing it okay so he is a

[00:39:39] commissarine at live super fan know all the performers Kyle Mooney had his moments on the show I

[00:39:45] thought there were moments when I think when they let him write his material and kind of get to

[00:39:50] go just as far out there as he wanted to go it was good okay so this being a film he wrote and directed

[00:39:57] it's starring a Rachel Zegler, Julian Denison, and Alicia Silverstone the film's titles Y2K

[00:40:04] and I haven't seen the trailer actually I don't know anything about the film other than I

[00:40:09] know you just had mentioned it a couple weeks ago is being a trailer out there it's another A24

[00:40:14] joint oh there you go do you see the A24 label on the the trailer right now so let's take a look

[00:40:21] at this trailer for the film Y2K I'm assuming it's a comedy yeah it is okay all right again I

[00:40:31] let's check it out and we'll catch up on it on the backside and see what we think here

[00:40:40] y'all check it yeah I am lucky lady gonna get the midnight kiss

[00:40:50] but Laura where's the going to this yours things gonna be a total shit show oh

[00:40:57] see it this 1999 and we get in draw and a few hours you have an excuse to kiss the girl of your dreams

[00:41:10] open up take us away

[00:41:18] so that was the trailer for Y2K all right so I was right comedy but also went a little apocalyptic

[00:41:30] actiony violin D um it's what if the Y2K bug had been everything that everybody feared

[00:41:37] right so that's the premise for the entire community I mean it has it reminds me right away of

[00:41:44] that film this is the end yes which I was not a fan of you were not I was some funny parts to it

[00:41:50] but overall was not a fan I liked it similar premise you get you know it's a comedy but you put

[00:41:57] people in a very you know a popular lived situation post a popular live situation

[00:42:02] combating action violence and comedy um it looks okay I mean I don't know how mooney directing

[00:42:10] it makes me in writing it at least makes me think it's gonna be it's gonna be out there it's gonna be

[00:42:15] unique um I do like Rachel Ziegler hmm kind of interesting to see her play a part we're not

[00:42:27] sure she was obviously westside story she's gonna be the new snow white in this snow white

[00:42:31] very Disney movie um but it's kind of nice to see her playing a yeah quote normal pure person you

[00:42:39] know like getting to play a more casual person sure um so I'm excited to see that Julian Denison I

[00:42:45] like quite a bit I haven't seen him in anything since Deadpool 2 so he's like a teenager now so it's

[00:42:56] yeah yeah so good all right no I'm I'm I'm intrigued and obviously I mean I know we say this but

[00:43:03] having the A24 studio stamp on it means all right there's a lease I feel like gonna be some

[00:43:09] some quality here to kind of explore so and if anything the thing I worry about is maybe we

[00:43:15] saw too much with the trailer because with a comedy that's where you really have to work like we

[00:43:19] were to be able to just build just it's like okay did they take all the funny moments they

[00:43:23] slept together and yeah for a minute and a half it looks amazing but hopefully there's enough

[00:43:28] kind of quirky weird stuff that calm many still has plan for us I'm interested in it I think all you

[00:43:33] know I'll give it a shot when it comes out yeah all right and it's before the end of the year I believe

[00:43:38] yeah that comes out uh I don't know uh these summer six okay yeah interesting holiday maybe maybe

[00:43:50] okay okay let me ease into our second and final trailer okay um you have seen this one

[00:43:57] I have seen the trailer so I think is I'd seem why two k you had not you've seen this trailer

[00:44:02] I have not Amy Adams has a new movie coming out that uh played it tell you ride or Toronto

[00:44:08] Toronto okay they Toronto so as they got one of those big standing evations I don't have

[00:44:17] that build just build just had a three minute evasion which I thought was if you're going to be one of

[00:44:23] these people that superficially you're going to base a film on how long the evasion is which

[00:44:28] I think is terribly stupid whatever it's something to talk about right build just build just had three

[00:44:33] minutes which by film festival standards pretty short so we'll just support it in the audience there

[00:44:40] in that film you would have like done your arms like come on come on people just keep this going

[00:44:45] for at least seven or eight um this is a film called NightBitch okay it is written and directed by

[00:44:52] Maryella Heller whose last film was the Mr. Rogers movie that with Tom Hanks in it okay a beautiful

[00:44:59] day in the neighborhood yes I always have trouble keeping that and the Morgan Neville documentary

[00:45:05] separate because they were I think came out somewhat close to each other but yes and I and I liked

[00:45:09] it but no yeah it was it was great Maryella Heller she also directed can you ever forgive me

[00:45:15] that had Melissa McCarthy in it back in 2018 yeah beautiful that day of the neighborhood was 2019

[00:45:21] she directed a diary of a teenage girl back in 2015 okay so that's been kind of her her recent films

[00:45:28] and so this film starring starring Amy Adams Amy Adams is getting a lot of acclaim for this performance

[00:45:38] um based on a book based on a novel by Rachel Yoder and I'm just gonna play the trailer

[00:45:43] okay let's just camp see where it goes with this so this is uh this is the trailer for

[00:45:49] NightBitch which I have fun saying yeah all right he's super cute do you just love getting to be home with them all the

[00:45:59] time can I too I love it you're an artist right well I I used to be a wow that feels like

[00:46:10] a lifetime ago yeah yeah we have the nightly we get it I used to be a stripper

[00:46:16] the before times yeah nobody in this family can clean their own books

[00:46:27] if you wake up I will rip your throat out okay from what it's worth I'll tell to stay home with them every day

[00:46:37] all right so that is the trailer for NightBitch that is also coming out december

[00:46:43] Chris you have not seen the trailer yet your initial thoughts on what you saw I am mad at you

[00:46:49] for making me watch that trailer um because as we just mentioned with what to okay I think this

[00:46:56] maybe looks amazing I wish I had a no anything about it um and it just looks right up my

[00:47:04] this when I think of end of what do I like his film I like things that are a little odd

[00:47:11] that are quirky that wouldn't normally you think how in the world did this thing get made looking at

[00:47:17] this trailer I'm like okay I mean I guess maybe I don't know I didn't pay enough attention to

[00:47:22] credits I don't know if Amy Adams is an executive producer I don't know yeah Mary Haller she's

[00:47:27] done some things but nothing that I would think would give her this much leeway I'm glad she has it

[00:47:31] like because it you know it looks well made it looks expensive it looks amazing like I'm just

[00:47:37] I'm just an awe because I'm just like yeah I don't know that people are gonna like this thing

[00:47:41] but I dig it so Amy Adams is a producer so okay there we go yeah um I'm excited for it

[00:47:48] it looks and the other thing they're like is when something you know believe or not it kind of

[00:47:54] reminds me a little bit of another um filmmaking group the Daniels who did Swiss Army man

[00:48:00] everything everywhere all at once those two films you're they're just like crazy you know just

[00:48:05] all of the place but they have a heart and there's something there and that but that's what's

[00:48:10] amazing to me instead just putting out a few good stories I'm like that which there are places

[00:48:15] for those not do likes not them but this is just coming about telling an empowering story and a weird

[00:48:23] weird way yeah so and that's what appeals to me because instead just like packaging something like

[00:48:30] a Disney would do with a PG film about somebody you know discovering who they are no this is

[00:48:35] something different and as an adult this is obviously another children's movie um it works really

[00:48:41] because it speaks to me on that kind of level so I'm not mad at Alan but I am excited for the film

[00:48:48] no I'm I'm too I yeah I saw I heard about the film I'd read a little bit about it

[00:48:54] I saw the trailer I'm like nope I'm bored we're ready to do this um that will be coming out

[00:48:59] December 6th can't wait yeah I think it's gonna be uh it did get picked up I mean it's got a

[00:49:04] distribution plan it's gonna be in theaters so it's yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

[00:49:10] I think we got some good films coming up the next few months here to jagan too um me and joined

[00:49:16] me and I did kind of got me has now got me set for the rest of the season like yeah all right

[00:49:21] there's some good stuff coming good stuff coming um all right Chris well that is our trailer bits

[00:49:27] we do like to kind of wrap up our show when we have one available in which we do this particular

[00:49:32] episode a recommendation from you other film that you think we ought to check out or spend some time with

[00:49:39] um we used to do joint res recommendations but honestly I fell I fell behind I fell

[00:49:47] waist short and I just I don't have the wherewithal to give good recommendations anymore Chris

[00:49:52] however does and so I leave this to Chris and he normally steers us right unfortunately the only

[00:49:59] problem is it creates a giant list for me of films to catch up with that I will never probably get

[00:50:06] so I get to live by curiously through you in hearing about these films Chris tells

[00:50:11] what your recommendation is for this week's episode so I'm going to recommend a film that actually

[00:50:16] came out in 2024 but it is available on paramount plots which is actually how I called up with it

[00:50:23] did not see get to see it in the theater probably would have been better in the theater I will say

[00:50:26] it is a sequel which is kind of surprising of I'm not that I don't recommend sequels but in general

[00:50:33] this is the third one as well so it is a quiet place day one so I think we reviewed both the

[00:50:39] quiet place and a quiet place too maybe I can't remember the next I think the second member but

[00:50:45] I remember when this came out I was like I don't know you're like nope no interest don't want to

[00:50:49] see it I was like okay and so I was gonna see it but then just never got around to it and you can tell

[00:50:55] from the title what it does is it takes you to day one of when New York City is invaded by the alien

[00:51:02] creatures who hunt by sound and a woman Lupita me play by Lupita Niyango fights to try to survive

[00:51:10] with her cat and that simple enough premise which you're like yeah but what's different about

[00:51:17] this film than the other two well the other two took place kind of in the countryside and this

[00:51:22] shows you kind of like the moment they hit the earth and it takes place in a big city so that's

[00:51:27] kind of interesting I'm good Lupita Niyango I like her as an actress and she was really good in this I think

[00:51:33] without her it probably wouldn't have worked as well as I did something else which I did not know

[00:51:39] going in but I've looked it up afterwards the director of this is Michael Sarnoski who directed pig

[00:51:47] oh okay so this is not his first film this segment and I feel like you can tell that whoever's behind

[00:51:54] camera is there he assured now pig was not a horror film this is not you know an action horror film

[00:52:01] this is an action film and for him to be able to do it as well made as it is I was really pleased

[00:52:08] that you know he's like okay he's got two films this is the second I thought it was really really strong

[00:52:14] also in the film which I didn't even recognize him from like I guess the trailers and I think you may have

[00:52:21] Joseph Quinn from Stranger Things was in it and he is really good and plays a completely different

[00:52:29] he's not like a heavy metal rocker dude in this Eddie I guess was his character from Stranger Things

[00:52:34] he will also be playing Johnny Storm and the fantastic form maybe he's also playing one of the

[00:52:40] emperors in gladiator 2 so yeah he's got a very diverse

[00:52:47] diverse list of performances coming up so and so he and I and I believe he could do it because I think

[00:52:53] he may turn into somebody else who's like okay I want to see which I like the Stranger Things

[00:52:58] but I wasn't I'm not a big fan boy like a lot of people are after seeing him in this I'm like okay

[00:53:03] and I think the next film is going to be like okay I'm gonna watch this guy now because I really like

[00:53:08] cool what he's doing so that was another reason that I like this also us I'll say

[00:53:16] there's a sequence in the subway where the creatures are in pursuit and there's like a subway

[00:53:21] river because things are flooding is a very very effective thought it was really well done

[00:53:27] now on the other side of that there's a sequence in a pizza parlor with a magic trick so nothing

[00:53:34] to do with creatures but it's some nice character work and I'm like okay this is this is good

[00:53:42] this is where people sing and I find a thing I'll say it doesn't top the film perfect days

[00:53:50] they're used of the Nina Sinnellone song at the end of the film but you know what this is a

[00:53:56] definite close second same song the needle drop I feel in good I think is yeah but um very very

[00:54:03] close second um needle drop for that song so all right so film all the time it gets a little bit

[00:54:08] peaked interest for me if it's gonna drop in feeling good by Nina Sinnellone as a needle drop

[00:54:14] and it is it is just as perfect but doesn't involve as much acting with the face like

[00:54:20] the guy didn't perfectly so that that's hard to top okay but this is definitely from me a close

[00:54:24] second right well you've got my interest up a little bit yes I was very dismissive about this movie

[00:54:28] because I felt like the quiet place films were we're fine but I just never really got into

[00:54:37] I never cared about the storyline I never cared about the characters much I just thought it was just

[00:54:43] an exercise and let's build dread and suspense movies and they were mildly effective I thought

[00:54:49] I was fine with them nothing great but for me so I really wasn't excited about the idea of

[00:54:56] this third one a prequel one but uh the Peter Nihongo yes that was interesting to me

[00:55:06] your review has got me like okay maybe maybe I should check and also something else um somebody

[00:55:11] who is in this film who I did not expect and has you know small part but still good and it was nice

[00:55:16] to see him again Alex Wolfe he was a literary and like I think I'd maybe seen him once since

[00:55:23] them but hence he knew and he's in this and plays kind of a cool role so that was that was nice to see

[00:55:28] Alex Cole we'll go to the right well you've got me now interested now before this is normally

[00:55:34] it's in the new segment but I do want to say Alan I want to read you what is Michael Sarnoski's

[00:55:40] next film okay okay it's called the death of Robin Hood the byline thing is a darker

[00:55:48] reimagining of the classic Robin Hood tale which we'll see the character as a battle-worn

[00:55:53] loaner grappling with his past after a life of crime and murder and he finds himself gravely injured

[00:56:00] in the hands of a mysterious woman who offers him a chance at salvation he's Robin Hood

[00:56:07] that would be Hugh Jackman he's an mysterious woman jodie comar hmm so there you go okay

[00:56:14] that's jodie comar from the last duel yeah so I'm I'm I'm on board with that

[00:56:20] interesting normally don't do period pieces but that whole idea of flipping kind of a narrative

[00:56:25] there yeah the death of Robin it doesn't have a release data anything yet but yeah so and especially

[00:56:31] after pig and quite place yeah no I'm I'm intrigued as well that sounds really interesting great

[00:56:39] well thank you for that recommendation Chris something else add to my watch list that I will not get

[00:56:45] to anytime soon because of one main reason and that is because we do have our foot candle film

[00:56:52] festival coming up here very very quickly Chris when is the festival what's going on it is going

[00:57:00] to be September 20th through the 29th we have lots of different things we have a film lab where

[00:57:05] teams can come and ever have 60 hour period they can try to put together a film and enter an into competition

[00:57:10] we have an outdoor screening of American graffiti but right before that we have a band that's going

[00:57:16] to be playing hits from the 50s and 60s it'll be a fun time and then the normal film festival stuff

[00:57:22] we have films showing narrative films documentaries both features and shorts we are also doing

[00:57:28] two different screenings of some youth international films which are you know geared more towards

[00:57:33] younger kids to try to get them interested in film so a lot going on you can find more about

[00:57:39] the film festival at foot candlefilm festival dot com there's also a way to get tickets there so

[00:57:45] come out and enjoy it should be fun all right that we will look forward to seeing everybody there

[00:57:51] here in western North Carolina for the foot candle film festival here at the end of the month

[00:57:56] it's going to be a great time great exciting still lots to do so here we're going to cut this off

[00:58:02] so we can go work some more on getting prep for that festival but Chris if somebody did have some

[00:58:08] opinions or wanted to die like with us granted I don't know if we'll be able to respond

[00:58:12] for a couple weeks we may be a little slow give us a little October first but if you want to go

[00:58:16] and queue up any questions or thoughts or comments about tonight's show you can do that how can they get

[00:58:21] a hold of us Chris get interested in an email to info at foot candle dot org you can follow us on twitter

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[00:58:36] actually on letterbox as well we have a listing of what's going to be playing at this year's

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