Beetle Mania?

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[00:00:41] My name is Alan Jackson with me, Chris Frye and we both serve as the founders and the

[00:00:47] current directors of the Footcandle Film Society and the annual Footcandle Film Festival.

[00:00:53] Located right here at Beautiful, Hickory North Carolina, Western North Carolina. Chris, how

[00:00:58] are you doing? I am doing well. I'm looking forward to talking about a film that you and I

[00:01:05] had kind of wafed on whether or not we were going to talk about it and I'm glad we chose

[00:01:08] to talk about it because I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

[00:01:11] Okay, all right. Well the film he is referring to is the latest DC Universe, I guess I don't

[00:01:17] know. It's a DC film. I don't know where it falls and things but it is Blue Beetle. We're

[00:01:22] just going to leave it at that. Blue Beetle directed by Angel Manual Soto. We will be discussing

[00:01:28] that film here in just a moment and then afterwards I'm kind of excited Chris, I love when

[00:01:34] we dip into some trailers of films that are upcoming. I've actually got four trailers.

[00:01:40] It's going to be kind of a massive trailer, trailer polusa that we're going to go into.

[00:01:45] Some films in like you said before off mic didn't know there was that me film is actually

[00:01:50] coming out in the next little bit. Yeah, me neither. Actually our couple I do want to explore

[00:01:54] those so we'll do a look at some trailers and talk through those after our review. But let's

[00:01:59] go ahead and get right into the main course. Let's talk about the latest superhero action

[00:02:04] film. This one's starring a superhero may not be as known to a lot of people but we are

[00:02:10] going to discuss the film anyway. The review is for the film Blue Beetle.

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[00:02:37] Host, acquired.

[00:02:40] Three, two, three.

[00:02:46] Origin stories are common trope for the these days all too common comic book movie.

[00:02:53] Blue Beetle tells this origin story of Jaime Reyes being chosen by an alien scarab to be

[00:02:59] its symbiotic host giving him extraordinary powers and thus becoming the superhero known to some

[00:03:05] people as Blue Beetle. Originally this film was set to be an exclusive for HPMax. I refuse to call

[00:03:13] it max just like I won't call Twitter X. What was your experience with the film Alan? And do you

[00:03:19] think it was worthy of its theatrical release promotion? Um, yeah, you brought up a good point about

[00:03:28] it being it was slated for being basically a streaming only movie. Yeah, that is the way this

[00:03:34] film kind of plays. It plays like a streaming, a straight to streaming movie. It's boarding right

[00:03:40] on that line where it's just got enough to maybe get a theatrical release but really it's such a slight

[00:03:46] slight movie and both its production value and it's acting and so many things it is very slight.

[00:03:53] I guess is the way I would kind of refer to it. It is, it's a shame I feel bad for this movie Chris.

[00:04:00] I think you and I are on the same page. I feel bad for this movie. Okay. Because you've got

[00:04:07] a great setup. I love the fact that this movie takes a little bit of a slightly different angle

[00:04:16] on a superhero story where you have family. Family as an element, you've got the cultural aspect

[00:04:23] of the background of the the Lee character and his family around them. The family in this movie

[00:04:28] is not just some throwaway like side character that you see like a couple minutes at the beginning,

[00:04:33] couple minutes at the end. I mean they actually play an integral part of the film. I like all of those

[00:04:38] elements but it just gets dropped into the most stereotypical cliche by the numbers.

[00:04:47] Superhero story and that's where it was disappointing. You had the chance to do something very

[00:04:52] different and I think there was intentions to want to do something different but it just feels like

[00:04:56] this just got shoved into a corporate package where nope this is the way we got to do it. Even down

[00:05:01] to the villain villains are so bad in this and it's just so cliche and so stereotypical. I feel bad.

[00:05:08] I feel bad for the Lee actor who I really like. I think the Lee actor,

[00:05:15] Nizolo, Maridunda. I am not familiar with him. I know he is in Kobra Kai which a lot of people

[00:05:22] why I've never seen this show but I know he plays Jamie Reyes and he's really good. He's very charming.

[00:05:27] He's a good young actor and I like for the most part his family. I think they were fun to watch

[00:05:34] as well but it's just a shame because you feel like there's something that they could have done

[00:05:39] different and unique and interesting with this movie and instead they said no we're still going to

[00:05:43] put him in a suit of armor very much like an Iron Man thing. We're going to put him up against

[00:05:49] a bad guy that's basically just a generic bad guy that also has a bigger suit of armor.

[00:05:55] Susan Sarandon, does she know she's in the movie? I don't understand. That was such a

[00:06:03] bad casting choice and it just didn't work. She was not at all believable as the villain in this film.

[00:06:10] So Rod is feel bad. I feel like this is a good concept, a good idea, a good tone that they wanted

[00:06:16] to instill to this film even kind of giving a little 80s vibe and music and some it was great but

[00:06:22] it's just got shoved into a such a boring stereotypical superhero cliched movies. So it's disappointing

[00:06:31] but I feel more bad for it than I do like have any contempt for it. Chris, where are you with this film?

[00:06:37] Yeah, it kind of sounds like you and I are on the same page. I appreciated the Latino culture

[00:06:43] that it was being used to provide kind of a grounding reality to what would otherwise just be yet

[00:06:49] another superhero origin story. If you're going to draw it for the year ground at least give us a

[00:06:53] new slant not just another white dude becoming a superhero and they did that with this. The opening

[00:07:00] titles, the colors and the style and the retro kind of like I'm a stranger things type music

[00:07:05] they did at the beginning and that kind of gave it also kind of an interesting tone but I agree

[00:07:10] it just overall they were still shoving it into a very familiar box and it didn't work.

[00:07:18] And I was disappointed too because I felt like this might be kind of like the black panther

[00:07:24] for DC where they knew that was giving us a culture. This is saying okay here's something different.

[00:07:29] Here's this Latino culture and like this family and like basing it around family not just having

[00:07:34] it drop away but playing in choral yeah all those things but it just didn't do it justice. And I

[00:07:40] guess maybe the disappointing thing too is that going in maybe it was the fact that it was never

[00:07:46] intended for theatrical release and so they didn't put the money in it they didn't really put

[00:07:50] the time and they just said oh this is just something that's gonna be good enough.

[00:07:54] Passable entertainment. And I feel really bad like you say I just come away feeling really bad

[00:07:59] because I think the story the actors everything deserved more and there were hints of morbid

[00:08:06] just it just fell short. And I think like you said the biggest weakness of the film was the lack

[00:08:13] luster villain played by Susan Trin and Victoria Cored which is just this kind of stereotypical

[00:08:19] big corporation I'm evil type thing. Well she's not even a consistent character either. I mean

[00:08:24] she would go from one scene where she's quite honestly and it's like twirling her mustache and

[00:08:30] like evil to the next scene you know especially dealing with the fact that she's kind of a pseudo

[00:08:36] family member that she's kind of sparring with and there which I didn't really understand either.

[00:08:41] And the next minute she seems kind of compassionate or trying to like make her case of why she

[00:08:46] is just there was never a consistent tone with it and it just seems so cliched every every line

[00:08:53] out of her out of her mouth was you expect you knew exactly what she was gonna say before she

[00:08:58] said the words and that that was a shame too. So yeah the villain the villain side of it didn't work

[00:09:03] I loved all the moments we did spend with the family where we just got to see the family dynamics

[00:09:08] I think those were fun. I did like the lead character. I you know look if I hadn't already sat

[00:09:14] through 35 superhero movies in the last 20 years. Sure the blue beetle you know the costume and

[00:09:20] the powers and all that kind of cool it's like they would have been kind of fun kind of fun to

[00:09:24] play with but again it just they didn't do anything different or unique with it so it makes it

[00:09:29] just seems so carbon copy to everything we've already seen so many times before and that's a shame

[00:09:34] so yeah so it's just more of a it's just more of a disappointing movie in that there were some

[00:09:41] really great elements and really great style and tone that they were trying to convey

[00:09:46] and I just you could just you almost just felt like you were watching the studio

[00:09:52] in the the machinations of the industry kind of forcing their way in as you're watching this

[00:09:56] maybe it's like oh well no we got to have we got to have this type of dynamic we got to have

[00:10:00] this kind of character and we've got to have this there's got to be a big fight with the two of them

[00:10:04] just pummel each other for like you know 20 minutes and a big CGI fight. Sure it's like

[00:10:09] ah just it just didn't have to go that direction so I'll say trying to you know hit a positive

[00:10:14] something that um I enjoyed um I know very very little about this character but what I did know

[00:10:22] kind of confused me because I grew up you know in the 80s and I remember reading a blue beetle

[00:10:27] comic book and it was it was a white dude and I was like okay this is just a different take

[00:10:32] or they're recontextualizing it but they actually hint at some of what I remember from my childhood

[00:10:39] of a blue beetle character and I thought that was I enjoyed it from the fanboy perspective I thought

[00:10:44] it was clever how they kind of wove that in but like with some of the other things we talked about

[00:10:49] just kind of dropped and not really well explained it was kind of very rushed in some dialogue

[00:10:55] exquisitioner was like wait a second but what happened like it well nothing was very well

[00:11:00] explained at all. It's maybe not saying everything had to be spelled out so much but

[00:11:05] let me just let me back up because I mean just to kind of give a quick synopsis of the film.

[00:11:10] Sure, sure. You know basically in the film this follow our lead character Jamie Reyes

[00:11:15] who is alien scarab which again we never really understand alien you know we just see

[00:11:21] that's like a giant bug thing that's like in a laboratory they're looking for it you know it's

[00:11:27] something of great value it's never really gone into much detail about what this scarab is

[00:11:33] what it's capable of doing anything but it chooses Jamie to be its kind of symbiote almost like a

[00:11:40] that what is venom and type of thing. Yes sure. It's like it's grabbed on it has now bonded itself

[00:11:45] to to him right and he's a recent college graduate so it gives him like a big suit of armor

[00:11:50] that he has all these powers now but it is also something that the cord family which is where Susan

[00:11:56] Sarandons villain comes in there at their cord industries her company is what's been searching for

[00:12:02] this scarab and trying to find it. I guess the power their own army or to bond with the guy who's

[00:12:08] kind of her right hand man. Care up yeah it's a little muddled and it just doesn't understand

[00:12:14] motives and what everybody's hoping to get out of things. The thing about the explanation that

[00:12:20] bothers me as much as I love the family dynamics and I thought they were pretty entertaining

[00:12:25] there's a scene where Jamie becomes the blue beetle for the first time it's pretty I mean it's

[00:12:32] pretty horrific I mean some got some body horror going on there it's like pretty tough scene and

[00:12:37] it's happening right in front of his family we've already learned how tight this family is and how

[00:12:42] much how strong the love is between these family members as this is happening it's kind of all played

[00:12:47] for laughs like everybody's reacting to it and then he shoots off in this in the sky

[00:12:52] and it's still kind of just played for laughs I'm like okay this is where you're kind of losing me a

[00:12:58] little bit because your son your brother your loved one is going through this incredible pain

[00:13:05] and hard trauma and it's kind of being played real light and for fun and then when he disappears

[00:13:11] it's like huh our son just disappeared I guess we need to try to go find him or whatever it's like

[00:13:16] I didn't buy that and that kind of tipped me off to where I don't the film never really had a

[00:13:21] desire to say we're gonna really tell you or explain anything to you about why this is happening

[00:13:26] and what this really means just go along for the ride and let's try to have more fun with it than

[00:13:31] anything and so it just it did have a tough time with tone at that point for me

[00:13:37] we redeem myself a little bit once kind of the family got involved with some rescue work

[00:13:44] and rescue mission later on as a little unbelievable it's a little over the top but I still enjoyed

[00:13:49] it because at least it was different than what we typically see yeah well see interestingly enough

[00:13:55] I you know I enjoy the family aspect but something that confused me when the family did get involved

[00:14:00] towards the end um I liked Jaime because it's Jamie Jaime but he gave him but yeah he kind of

[00:14:08] extolls early on this no kill morality because the blue beetle gives him all these powers

[00:14:14] and you're laughing I know you're going and he uses these puppies like oh I don't kill I just want to

[00:14:19] like basically stop people disarm and what and that happens now he has some struggles with that

[00:14:24] later in the film and that's not what I have a problem with what I have a problem with or was

[00:14:28] confused by I thought it was undermined that whole interesting point about you know there's a lot of

[00:14:32] gun violence in movies these days and kind of trying to work against that flow is like okay

[00:14:38] then he's undermined by his gleeful granny using like a gatling gun type weapon to mo people down

[00:14:45] and I was like wait a second and if that had been some type of commentary and then he actually

[00:14:50] says like if there's a conversation it'd been okay repercussions from it but it was really

[00:14:55] jarring for me to be using that for comedy after you'd already made a pretty big point about

[00:15:01] no kill morality well there's even the giant bug ship kind of crawling through which actually

[00:15:07] was kind of a cool scene this giant beetle bug vehicle that they're flying in it comes in lands

[00:15:13] in the place that are trying to attack it's stomping around but at one point it spears a guy

[00:15:18] with his leg and it's kind of played for laughs again there too and it's like they just get

[00:15:23] they just totally murdered that guy but you're right there is a there's a weird balance with all that as

[00:15:28] well additionally so that was weird and then it kind of gets compounded when carapacks you

[00:15:35] learn a little bit about his backstory but it's kind of very tossed off there's like whether it

[00:15:42] was a cartel or governments getting involved in his childhood and people being killed and it's

[00:15:47] just kind of rushed at the end so then it's like this interesting he is who he was from his past

[00:15:53] or his room and the grandmother has this past of maybe being like a gorilla rebel or something

[00:15:59] and it's just like so tossed off in a dismissive way and I'm like wait a minute if you're going to

[00:16:05] care and set this in other Tina culture and have this family and everything you need to make me

[00:16:10] understand as an outsider what these people are not just kind of throw it away dismissively and I

[00:16:16] thought it was kind of a disservice I guess it was you know trying to set like a political point

[00:16:22] type thing but it was it was not doing it well now it's it tone was a little bit of a problem

[00:16:28] and it's like do we play this all for fun and laughs do we try to have some serious messages about

[00:16:34] you know family and about yeah the whole you know we don't kill we have a higher ethic code on

[00:16:40] this yeah it got very muddled because they go from one scene to the next but it kind of contradicts

[00:16:45] itself quite a bit right yeah I mean that's the thing is I think I think good elements good

[00:16:51] setting good characters put into a very cliché standard movie that doesn't really want to take

[00:17:04] the time to explore what it's trying to say or what it wants you to leave with or explaining anything

[00:17:12] about why things were happening and what's going on so it's a very very very high level surface

[00:17:17] movie from that standpoint and it's just yeah I mean disappointing is on the way I can come away

[00:17:22] with it because it's just this like he said this film deserved more with the elements going into it

[00:17:29] Alan yeah explain to me what was the thinking behind Uncle Rudy played by George Lopez his hairstyle

[00:17:37] and facial hair what what was the thinking behind that I don't I know they were they portrayed him as a

[00:17:44] conspiracy theory kind of I guess he's a tech guy as well although that kind of came out of nowhere

[00:17:52] when they're in the lab at one point and he just miraculously knows how to hack into it didn't know

[00:17:57] that was a thing he did yeah it was it was an odd character I mean I know what they were going for

[00:18:01] is they wanted kind of the the funny crazy uncle kind of that character just gonna be like

[00:18:08] be the funny character without all this like crazy like I don't know long ponytail almost

[00:18:14] dread hair and then this like ridiculous fake mustache and beard combos just I think it's going a

[00:18:20] little little little two stereotypical with that so yeah trying to go well too much on it um yeah

[00:18:26] what others thought you have on blue beetle anything else you gonna call out no um I just just

[00:18:33] disappointed and I feel like you say I I alluded to it when we were at the intro of the show where

[00:18:40] this movie was coming out and both of us you know are like oh well it's just another comic book

[00:18:45] movie but what made me interested in wanting to see it was the fact of the the representation element

[00:18:50] so that's why you know ultimately we're like well let's let's give it a shot let's see what it is

[00:18:54] and it just it fell short which really makes me sad yeah it's it's a real shame because I mean

[00:19:00] I know that this film is kind of stuck in a weird spot right now and that true you know they've

[00:19:04] already said that they're kind of rebooting the whole DC universe James gun you know director is

[00:19:10] kind of coming in and cleaning slate although there's been mixed messages I've heard at points

[00:19:14] that blue beetle was kind of the quote start of this like yeah James gun obviously flash had been

[00:19:23] done before he came aboard which we reviewed earlier this year but this had also been done or

[00:19:28] this was wrapping up as he was I think he was wrapping up yeah he didn't have any hand in actually

[00:19:33] the production of this he wasn't leading at that point okay but he has made comments that yeah

[00:19:39] blue beetles kind of starting our new thing so the idea that are they keeping this character or

[00:19:44] they keeping this actor are they gonna do more with him I'd be okay with that I'm like I I like

[00:19:50] the actor I like the setup of the character I mean if you're gonna do something with him just

[00:19:54] let's do something interesting let's do something different unique and not just you know put him I

[00:20:01] I felt like with this character and again I know it's based off a comic character yes is the

[00:20:05] second generation of that character there's the Ted lord or Ted cord is the original one who is

[00:20:13] related to the cord family that we meet here right and then yes Jaime Reyes is the second generation

[00:20:19] of blue beetle in the comics as well but I I felt like this movie couldn't decide if the main

[00:20:27] that the superhero character needed to be was it was he Deadpool was he Spider-Man was the Iron Man

[00:20:33] it's like it's almost like a conglomeration of all this oh yeah a PG Deadpool but I think they

[00:20:38] even bring in a song at the end and the post credits there was a song played in the Deadpool movie

[00:20:46] which I just just think actually I found the music really the music cues or whatever needle drops

[00:20:53] I found them really disappointing because you talked about the one scene with the beetle ship stopping

[00:20:58] around okay but they threw in a song which I'm like I don't see how that's A it's not from like

[00:21:05] the 80s and it's not like present so I don't see what you're really trying to hit there because to

[00:21:11] me it just seemed kind of lazy yeah which you know they're good yeah all right well that's

[00:21:18] that's a blue beetle so we were both let down by it but not not because of what the film I think

[00:21:23] was trying to do is just the fact that it ended up being so slight and so uninteresting at the end

[00:21:32] of the day and fitting itself into such a stereotypical superhero formula template and disappointing

[00:21:40] villains muddled a tone muddled messaging of you know who this character is and his family

[00:21:48] and what their values are so it's it was it was a let down I would have liked to see this film do

[00:21:54] more for sure so all right well that is blue beetle it is still playing in theaters don't know how

[00:21:59] long it didn't really do too great in box office wise but if you're a DC movie completist sure I

[00:22:08] mean it is a movie I think plays okay you know in a background on home video streaming I think

[00:22:16] what's it goes in up on I think it actually probably be a pretty good watch yeah I don't think

[00:22:21] because your expectations aren't as high and yes for paying $10 or whatever ticket prices are to

[00:22:25] go into a movie theater to see it is a little sure there was a little that down so all right well

[00:22:30] that is blue beetle and let's go ahead and move on Chris into well we're gonna take a break

[00:22:35] and then we'll move on to our next section so let's take a quick break when we come back I've got

[00:22:40] trailer plusa to share with Chris and we'll get some reactions on several different trailers of

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[00:23:15] podcast network we had our review of blue beetle the latest DC universe thing movie earlier in

[00:23:22] the show but now let's turn our tensions to films coming up soon okay Chris I love trailers it's

[00:23:32] a guilty habit I know trailers can be bad for us I know they can sometimes spoil a movie I know they

[00:23:37] can sometimes set expectations that we shouldn't have but I still love my movie trailers I think there's

[00:23:43] an art form in themself and watching a really good trailer absolutely so that's why I'm excited to

[00:23:47] say when I was trying to figure out what trailers to share today I'm like you know what I have four of

[00:23:53] them darn it I'm showing all of them let's do this okay now I'm a the sequencing of these four

[00:23:58] trailers is important I need to make sure I'm kind of playing this the right way okay so let's um

[00:24:05] let's do this one first okay I think we've discussed this film but we had not seen the

[00:24:11] in the actual footage from it and this is a film that's going to be coming to Netflix okay November 10th

[00:24:18] okay it is the latest film from director and I just forgot his name where is it's not killers

[00:24:28] of the flower moon it is not killers of the flower moon I would not forget I should not be forgetting

[00:24:34] this one either okay but I am why am I forgetting this director's name hold on I mean come on it's

[00:24:43] it's a seven in fight club David Fincher thank you David Fincher soon as I said the name of the film

[00:24:49] I got it this is the killer this is the Michael Fassbender film that is David Fincher's first David

[00:24:56] Fincher film since Mank I believe which was also an Netflix joint and you're not a fan of yeah

[00:25:03] let's see if this one maybe hits your buttons a little better than Nick did how about that so

[00:25:09] this is the trailer for the killer starring Michael Fassbender directed by David Fincher

[00:25:17] stick to your plan trust no one

[00:25:21] will stick to the plan for bit empathy stick to the plan anticipate don't improvise

[00:25:35] all right so that is the killer coming out on Netflix November 10th David Fincher director Michael

[00:25:55] Fassbender and total Swinton starring in this film Chris and also coming to theaters in October

[00:26:00] that's right it's coming out to the theaters a little earlier than that but it will be

[00:26:04] yeah select theaters in October and then definitely on Netflix by November 10th so Chris initial thoughts

[00:26:10] yeah I think so David Fincher I think his films are usually almost always visually interesting subject

[00:26:18] matter this to me seems more of what I consider to be in the David Fincher wheelhouse Mank just didn't

[00:26:25] really seem to fit with I don't know just didn't work for me overall lots of stuff go back in

[00:26:31] this interview if you want to know what didn't work but this one yet has a very seven feel to it

[00:26:39] and you know just don't be a longer or five club vibe just in terms of the the music the tone

[00:26:44] the pace I mean everything that we were kind of thrown at imagery yeah and Michael Fassbender I like

[00:26:49] him a lot I'm glad to see him kind of resurfacing after the X-Men debacle of some of

[00:26:55] especially the last film of that one but um you know way to me it reminds me like it's like he's

[00:27:01] playing the character that was in Prometheus of that robot character except he's like a

[00:27:09] a killer here he's like an assassin but he's very methodical which is very robotic and so obviously

[00:27:15] that is something Michael Fassbender can do without a problem yeah so no I think it

[00:27:21] it looks pretty good I agree I'm excited about it I hope the trailers are good indication of

[00:27:27] what the film is going to be like but it looks very very promising so great excited to see that

[00:27:31] great so that is the killer coming to Netflix after it comes to select I don't know if it's limited

[00:27:36] release or if this can be a wide release in October or it's interesting with that whole model because

[00:27:41] I think they're doing the same thing with killers of the flower moon this Scorsese film well they

[00:27:45] they changed this week they are no longer doing a limited release rollout they're doing a wide

[00:27:51] and this that's Apple that is Apple okay not it's gonna be a true wide release like they're going wide

[00:27:57] and then going to Apple so okay okay so I wonder how that's gonna be working for you know where a lot

[00:28:03] of people just be like I'll just save my money I already watch or will people you know go see it

[00:28:08] in my theaters I think the key is if you think you've got a movie that people are going to want to

[00:28:12] see on a big screen and I think a David Fincher movie qualifies for that yeah I think another

[00:28:19] one that qualifies for this is the one I'm gonna show you right now too okay another big name

[00:28:24] director coming back after a little bit of a break and that is Michael Mann director Michael

[00:28:30] Mann has a new movie coming out starring Adam Driver and Penelope Cruz it is called Ferrari

[00:28:36] I don't you know what the film is about Chris I'm going to guess it's about Mr. Ferrari

[00:28:41] you're correct and that's a car by the way he knows a car right a type of car yeah so this is

[00:28:48] the film Ferrari Adam Driver Penelope Cruz in a Michael Mann film so here is the the first trailer

[00:28:57] for that film I have not seen this one Chris so you'll be watching it with me first time

[00:29:12] if you get into one of my cars you get into wind

[00:29:29] all right so that is Ferrari that is as you could probably tell in just hearing the trailer as

[00:29:35] you're on audio podcast here a lot of car noises there were a lot of cars in that trailer Chris

[00:29:41] interesting trailer one line of dialogue and the whole trailer definitely trying to go from

[00:29:46] more of a mood setting it's actually this is the kind of trailer I like and that doesn't give

[00:29:50] away a lot doesn't tell me a lot what to expect I can gather some inferences about what the

[00:29:55] film may be about but it's really trying to set more of a tone and and a feel for what you're

[00:30:00] going to experience any initial thoughts on this and let's kind of a slight trailer and a lot

[00:30:05] to do you know interestingly enough what it reminds me of which is a film that also starred

[00:30:10] Adam Driver is a film called House of Gucci yeah house of Gucci not a good film but I was

[00:30:20] entertained because I learned some stuff about at least I think I learned some stuff who know

[00:30:24] I mean I think it was based on fact but you know there goes that whole discussion because based on

[00:30:28] true story based on true people but think I learned some things about the Gucci family that I

[00:30:34] was not aware of so that kept me interested but overall you know the film didn't truly work as a

[00:30:42] whole Ferrari I'm interested because of the cast Adam Driver Shalingwood the Penelope Cruz all

[00:30:48] you know I'll like all of them Michael Mann he's usually an interesting director yeah he did

[00:30:54] heat he did last time he can okay but just a story from what I you know I don't I don't know anything

[00:31:00] about I know it's a car and I know that it's named after a dude you know made you know so I get

[00:31:06] that but thinking to me why would I want to see this movie about a rich guy who makes cars has

[00:31:13] this lifestyle struggles with I'm assuming his family you know just struggles of rich people you

[00:31:20] know I'm just not interested in it but I will see it because like I said the cast the director

[00:31:25] and maybe I will come away learning some interesting facts about Ferrari and maybe the development

[00:31:32] of the car but just a guy who because of his ego wants to race and win and be the best like okay you

[00:31:38] know I just well I mean it's hard to tell like what the film is really going to be dealing with

[00:31:45] I mean I know there was a lot of personal drama that went on in the Ferrari family you know

[00:31:51] it'll be interesting to see I'm excited just because I think it looks really good

[00:31:57] Michael Mann I'm on board with Adam Driver yeah granted house Gucci was not his finest moment but

[00:32:03] I don't blame driver for that no no no this to me this could be Adam Driver's real showpiece acting

[00:32:10] job in my mind could be and I've heard some really good raves from people who have seen the film

[00:32:14] because reviews have started pouring out of some early film festivals that a penalty be cruise is

[00:32:18] really really good in this yeah just in general you know we all have different types of movies

[00:32:25] we like obviously stating out yes a car movie not my thing did I enjoy Ford versus Ferrari which

[00:32:32] you know that was a movie that kind of gave us some background I mean it was more about the Ford

[00:32:36] side than the Ferrari side so you know yeah that was no K movie but you know this is just not

[00:32:42] the genre that I go for car racing movies and biographies you know it's just biography of Ferrari

[00:32:47] but it does look interesting so not as jazzed as you are but still interested well and of course

[00:32:53] it is Michael Mann which I mean majority of Michael Mann's films have I've been fans of I think

[00:32:59] are really really strong and good but he you know he has I mean I think the last film he did was black

[00:33:04] hat which it's not great no not one of his finest moments so hopefully this gets it back on

[00:33:12] equal footing I know that there's a plan to make heat too so did he write the book yeah he wrote

[00:33:19] the book I think the overall desire is to make him make a movie sure so so it may be him trying to

[00:33:25] kind of get back in the swing and things a little bit on those films all right so that's Ferrari

[00:33:30] Ferrari is coming out oh I had this just a second ago gosh all of mine do you think these dates

[00:33:37] like the one we've been given or will give for Ferrari and then the one for Kielstur

[00:33:42] Flower Moon and for the killer do you think they're more likely to stick because they have a streaming

[00:33:49] release date that I guess they'll stick to and therefore their theatrical releases will stick as

[00:33:54] opposed to something like Dune which doesn't have a streaming thing so they can just say oh we're

[00:33:59] gonna just bump into Mars do you think that affects whether or not studios can move stuff around

[00:34:03] the world I mean I think like basically a stated streaming date forces them to go ahead and have

[00:34:10] to stick to the actual for already comes out December 25th here's my thing is if it has to come

[00:34:18] out in December I believe for Oscar contention right if it slips to 2024 because the writers and

[00:34:25] actor strike is still going on they can't promote the film and they want to get more publicity

[00:34:29] they push it and they lose that possibility of any kind of award recognition yeah so I think

[00:34:34] that's the game that you got to play with a film like Ferrari because obviously it is going to

[00:34:38] be in contention for awards I mean I think just given the pedigree of some people involved

[00:34:43] that's just kind of a forgone conclusion it's at least going to be in that conversation

[00:34:47] so do you still push it out December 25th even though I mean if the strike's still going on

[00:34:53] you can't have a driver out there promoting it going on talk shows or doing anything to talk about

[00:34:58] it right it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a weird gamble you have to play on that or do you say

[00:35:03] we'd rather have the nominations we'd rather have all the critical claim and milk it for everything

[00:35:08] when it comes to the Oscar ceremony I don't know all right well that's Ferrari coming out

[00:35:13] December 25th that does not have a streaming component to it that is straight movie theater yeah

[00:35:18] a game is right now anyway all right now let me shake it up a I've got one more trail I'm kind

[00:35:24] of excited to show you but let me show you this trailer first because we're doing four yeah this is

[00:35:29] number three okay I've got one more to show you that I think I'm interested in showing to you and

[00:35:33] then me watching for the first time this is a little bit let's I want to throw something a little

[00:35:38] different in here um I feel like sometimes the trailer may get be the ball patrol trailer no I'm

[00:35:43] sorry I can't do that one but I do feel like sometimes the trailers we like to profile in here are

[00:35:48] of a certain type they are a certain pedigree there's certain uh you know certain directors we like

[00:35:54] or want to be like other things right um a type of film that we typically don't like to spend a lot

[00:35:59] of time talking about is a romantic comedies two um with actors that maybe haven't been around for a

[00:36:06] while um and are kind of coming back on screen I'll just kind of leave it that this this is a film

[00:36:13] Chris that came across um you remember Meg Ryan the actress I do remember Meg Ryan

[00:36:19] uh kind of queen of the the romcom for many in late 80s early 90s kind of that time period

[00:36:26] so she's actually directed a film before a film called ethical believe that film it came out

[00:36:31] a few years ago nobody I didn't really hear much about it but now this is she's directing a second film

[00:36:37] okay it is called what happens later it is starring her and David DeCovany okay I'm just gonna leave

[00:36:45] it at that so just know this is uh directed by Meg Ryan is based on a either a book or a play

[00:36:53] off they've kind of follow up on that for sure afterwards but anyway just try to throw something

[00:36:57] different at us here's a trailer for what happens next or how what happens later

[00:37:04] hello Willemina hello William

[00:37:07] how have you been also the last 20 years 25 maybe I've been 49 forever and ever

[00:37:13] wow lucky you I feel like I've been in my 50s since my 20s that's so true

[00:37:17] that you don't have to agree with me attention Austin in Austin passengers those

[00:37:21] locks have been delayed until further notice those two flights just us yes

[00:37:26] unbelievable like I said just something I want to throw a little different at you all right

[00:37:33] look like we've got a you know kind of a meetup of a couple that obviously have a

[00:37:39] history together in an airport setting but it seems to have some sort of fantastical elements to it

[00:37:45] seems like that I don't know whether it's dreamlike whether there's uh the airport itself is a

[00:37:51] character I don't know I'm not quite sure where they're going with that but um kind of interesting

[00:37:55] but would you take away from that yeah it's it looks interesting and I you know it is more looks like

[00:38:03] to be kind of a romantic comedy but being kind of self aware of that fact and making jokes about it

[00:38:10] it would seem that decovny and ryan have our movie stars that have been in these type of movies

[00:38:17] before and they have drifted apart and now they have this forced meeting in an airport and you know

[00:38:22] things are shutting down flights are being delayed and there's force force to spend time together

[00:38:27] interestingly enough it reminded me of something it were like a vehicle that would be

[00:38:32] for George Clooney like kind of like up in the air somehow sequel but not sequel because he

[00:38:38] wasn't a movie star in that but like it seems like it would be a role for maybe like George Clooney

[00:38:44] and Nicole Kidman or something like they would be paying the Meg Ryan David decovny roles um

[00:38:50] but I don't know something about of what's edited in the trailer the chemistry that seems to come

[00:38:55] off between decovny and ryan seems like it really is working um it is an interesting premise you

[00:39:01] know I'm actually interested to see it um I knew nothing about it I knew nothing about the first

[00:39:06] movie that she made um do you know she starred in the first movie that she did well I don't think

[00:39:11] she was the lead but I think she was and she was in the movie okay so it it looks you know

[00:39:15] and if they schedule this I think it just says coming soon I don't know that we have a release date

[00:39:19] for it but if you slotted this in theaters november december this could make a you know if it's

[00:39:25] kind of a feel good romantic comedy type thing that kind of makes you think and you know

[00:39:30] I don't know it could it could actually make some big big money so well look I'm I'm I'm

[00:39:37] personally happy to see Meg Ryan sure on screen I'm happy to see David decovny on screen yeah

[00:39:43] I like the two of them quite a bit how do you do um and have it seen him for a while so there's

[00:39:48] thing october 13th okay is the date and it is a theatrical release planning so we'll see it could be

[00:39:54] mid-october you may be right uh that may be the perfect time to say hey look you know we'll stop

[00:40:00] in a more adult skewed romantic comedy and see what happens and you know maybe we'll review it on

[00:40:07] the show I mean probably could be bringing it to our film society too yeah well it's not that so

[00:40:13] anyway I just thought that was interesting I can't kind of stumbled across that and thought you

[00:40:16] know what it's not typical of the kind of film we like to kind of profile as much but it's worth

[00:40:21] it's worth a look it's worth talking about that that was what happens later later correct okay now

[00:40:27] the last one Chris what was your favorite film of 2021 oh I'm so excited um I think you're

[00:40:39] gonna show me which I the film proves premiering it tell you're right it's salt burn salt burn

[00:40:46] yes so the answer to your question that would be promising young woman yes a very divisive film

[00:40:52] um I liked I admit it's troubling an ass but I liked it obviously a lot um this is Emerald Fennel's new film

[00:41:00] I have heard like it was basically like oh you think promising young woman was divisive here hold my

[00:41:05] beer and she's made this um I am very very curious have not seen this trailer I can't wait to see

[00:41:12] the trailer okay well as you just said uh the promising young woman writer director Emerald uh

[00:41:17] feral uh fennel fennel yeah fennel I'm sorry Emerald Fennel who also played um it was a midge and Barbie

[00:41:24] yeah yeah yeah yeah that's great uh this is her second feature film and it is salt burn

[00:41:31] it is starring uh let's see I had the names here Barry Cagan oh yeah right

[00:41:36] mm-hmm and so let's take a look at the trailer for the first time here of salt burn

[00:41:42] oh nice tux thank you wow it's a rental right yeah yeah

[00:41:54] wait wait wait where we go Felix

[00:42:01] you think you'll go home honestly

[00:42:04] um doesn't mean the same for me as it was for you Felix

[00:42:09] well why don't you come home with me come to salt burn

[00:42:18] all right that is the trailer for salt burn it's a Chris initial thoughts feedback

[00:42:25] yeah I'm curious uh Emerald Fennel she she seems to have a visual style that she did in promising

[00:42:33] young woman that you know right off the bat I'm like yep I'm in the actors that are lined up for

[00:42:39] this Mary King and uh Rosman Pike yep I'm I'm therefore so I will say I could see a possible

[00:42:47] criticism being lobbed at the film although I haven't seen it but based on what I can tell from

[00:42:52] the trailer an exploration of class the halves versus the have-knot seems like Mary Keegan is kind

[00:43:00] of they have not entered into the world of the halves the room the extremely rich um been done

[00:43:06] before or at least I think this type of thing has been done before I haven't seen the film so will

[00:43:11] it just be kind of like another one of those people like oh it's been done better by somebody else

[00:43:15] I am interested to see Emerald Fennel's take on it so um yeah well

[00:43:19] because I mean you could have argued if you'd heard the premise for promising young woman I'm

[00:43:23] like okay it's you know woman empowerment against you know male dominated I feel like well but

[00:43:29] they took a spin on that and I think an interesting take which hopefully they do the same here too so

[00:43:34] no I'm yeah I'm excited yeah actually all four of these movies Chris I'm kind of now looking

[00:43:40] forward to see even what happened later which is not one that would have been on my radar but

[00:43:44] all four of these I'm putting the dates down I am planning on seeing all of them as they come

[00:43:49] about so saltburn is set to release I think it said select theaters in November November 24th

[00:43:56] correct so obviously they'll select a theater in Hickory North Carolina to be that is definitely

[00:44:03] the definition of select LA New York Hickory right yes okay uh so we've got killer coming out

[00:44:10] October November we've got Ferrari coming out December what happens later coming out October

[00:44:17] in saltburn November possibly December for wider release so okay well that is what we've

[00:44:23] got today to share Chris out of those four which one are you the most excited about which one would

[00:44:28] you had to pick one that you could have get a ticket for and the other three were going to incinerate

[00:44:33] in front of you and never exist as films which one would you pick it's gonna be saltburn yeah just

[00:44:39] because I mean I like venture but I've seen enough his work and only being the second film for

[00:44:43] mental film I'm like okay I don't really know what to expect so yes saltburn uh I'm gonna have

[00:44:50] to go with the killer for me just because it's it's just right up my vibe I mean Michael fastbender

[00:44:56] I love really good fastbender I love really good uh um um David Fincher so and this is

[00:45:05] I love that fight club I love some of his earlier films that this seems to have a lot more connection

[00:45:12] with I'm excited for that one and then probably saltburn and Ferrari than what happens later so well

[00:45:19] see I might would even put what happens later above Ferrari yeah okay he's not quite your

[00:45:23] cup of tea I get it so all right lots of good films come up and as we were just talking a few weeks

[00:45:28] ago we're like oh my gosh what films are gonna be coming out or gonna be any good ones to show this

[00:45:32] no right now as it stands today they're all still coming out this year now of course these things

[00:45:37] could change sure I'm sure because many of these have big name stars behind them they want to

[00:45:43] get their promotion dollars if they're willing to skew any Oscar nominations for 2023 they'd push

[00:45:49] it off into 2024 to get more publicity we will see you know that's been happening with some films

[00:45:54] already these four right now as this stands are are set so uh all right Chris if any but oh but I

[00:46:02] know we've got something we got a plug really important going on this month but once go ahead

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[00:46:59] it's going to be a great time go to the website check out the schedule of films and activities

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[00:47:08] and we will be out there come by say hi um we'll just love to see it the festival and uh we've

[00:47:14] got some great films coming in and great filmmakers coming into talk about them so it should be

[00:47:18] a should be a fun time all right Chris we're gonna go and wrap it up then thanks everybody for listening

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