Barbie

[00:00:02] What you want, when you want it, where you want it. This is the mesh. What you want, when you want it, where you want it. This is the mesh. Footcandle Films, Thelm News and Reviews from two guys who really like movies.

[00:00:26] This episode is brought to you by the Footcandle Film Society, where a schedule of upcoming screenings and membership information, visit the Society's website at www.footcandle.org. Hello everyone and welcome to Footcandle Films here on TheMesh.TV podcast network. My name is Alan Jackson.

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[00:01:05] We're here about that a little bit later and show some more. But this is our podcast where we discuss films and we do our reviews of films and we have a little bit of news discussion about some upcoming films in this episode as well but Chris has gone.

[00:01:21] It's going well. We're going to do our up and heart RB reviews because most people did walk through that again. So we're going to complete our up and heart haunt RB man is that a man.

[00:01:37] That's harder to say than part of the time or that's the easy way out because most, you know we're talking about doing barbie and up and high maroon. We did up and high maroon then we had a review of haunted mansions.

[00:01:47] This week we're finally getting around to Barbie which was truly the other movie that people were talking about. We just slid in an haunted mansion in the middle. Yes, just to make it much harder for that.

[00:01:59] Well as Chris so eloquently just explained we are going to be reviewing the film Barbie today. Obviously they come out the best thing we can is up and high maroon. We talked about up and high maroon a couple weeks ago but you know we did

[00:02:13] we did catch up with Barbie and thought we need to give Barbie some do and sometimes talk about that movie as well. The latest from writer director Greta Gerwig, starring Marker Roby.

[00:02:23] So we're going to give a review of that film here in just a second and then afterwards we thought it'd be good to kind of wear it a halfway point of the 2023 year. Maybe a little pass halfway but we're through what I consider the summer

[00:02:37] is more or less done. I think there's not really any big summer releases left. So we thought we'd take a few minutes and discuss the suppressed of 2023 as we've moved past summer what's coming up in the fall and definitely come awards time awards season and the winter.

[00:02:52] What's on the dock it for 2023? What are the films left to come out and where it's our excitement level on certain certain titles? So we're going to do a little bit of the remainder of 2023 preview later in the episode. But first we are going to talk Barbie.

[00:03:08] Chris you have your pink jumper on I noticed perfect for the review. I'm so glad you came appropriately dressed for this and we are looking forward to discussing Greta Gerwig's Barbie. Hey Barbie. Can I come to your house today? Sure.

[00:03:31] I don't know if anything big plan just a giant blowout party with all the Barbies and plant choreography and a bespoke song. You should stop by. So cool. You can't be under the light. After the box office failure of 2016's Max Steel, a superhero film based on

[00:03:48] a toy action figure, Mattel playground productions was closed down. In 2018 the division was revived and reformed as Mattel films. The first film to be released by this Phoenix rising from the cellular ashes is the live action film version of Barbie directed by Greta Gerwig, Co-Iton by Gerwig and

[00:04:10] Noobombock and starring Margarabi and Ryan Gosling. The film has proved to be more successful than all of its plastic doll-thokest predecessors including such titles as Barbie and the secret door, Barbie and her sisters in the great puppy adventure and Barbie, Spice Squad. That's my favorite.

[00:04:32] What was your experience with the film Alan and what do you think it counts for a success? And more importantly, what song are you more angry that the film got stuck in your head and the Go Girls closer to find or matchbox 20's?

[00:04:47] A little admit I might have been humming push a little bit late last night after the screening. The question to you, you asked what did I think? First off I loved the movie. I thought the movie was tons of fun.

[00:05:07] Like many aspects of it have very few misgivings of it. I think it worked on all the levels I was hoping it would work on and surprise me in a few areas that I didn't expect. I don't have any weaknesses of the film.

[00:05:23] There's a couple things I wish the film was a little stronger and we could talk about it later. But overall, I think it is a really, really fun, great film. I'm all for any time a film can be creative and inventive work on both the meta-level

[00:05:39] and also have something important to say. And I think this film does all of those things. While also being incredibly entertaining and funny, very, very funny as well. I don't know if it would have worked as well without, honestly, without Margarovi and Ryan Gosling

[00:05:56] because I do feel like I mean they make this film work. The film could possibly work without them and lead roles but they just really brought it home with their performances. It's actually impressive on both fronts with what they were tasked to do in this film.

[00:06:13] The production design, the looking field of film, you do feel like you are in a giant place that for half the film. It's just really, really kind of a cool look and a cool environment.

[00:06:26] And everybody you just seemed to be on board with having a make-in-this film works. I'm going to be a boring review but I mean, I did like this film quite a bit. You got a little sentimental, got a little emotional sub, Tomson the Movies was just surprising.

[00:06:42] I was there with you know, I was true Justin Pinkhoun. I was not, I was in the minority as far as male female ratio and theater but what I love look around seeing is they were just a wide variety of different women in the theater.

[00:06:58] That I feel like we're all getting different things from the movie in all of it good. So if a movie can pull that off and be incredibly entertaining, then it could host it.

[00:07:11] So I'm a fan, I like that. So Chris, my gut feeling is I think you're on the same page but I want to hear you say it for sure, but to validate or if they're on wrong.

[00:07:20] Right, no, you have perceived correctly. I am a fan of the film. You know, coming off last week's review of Honomanshan, that's an IP. It's a rather spent with Disney for a long time. They take that and they made it maybe.

[00:07:35] You and I were not that impressed. We thought, you know, had some good things but overall just not that taken with it. And I think what it lacked was kind of a really unique perspective on the IP, the intellectual property.

[00:07:46] And that's what I feel like Greta Gerwag was able to do with Barbie. It's like instead of just making, oh a comedy, there was just a very light comedy that didn't have anything kind of to hook you in anything deeper.

[00:08:00] Right. It would have been kind of boring and I think kind of hard to do because it just wouldn't have been as interesting but she can't hook.

[00:08:07] But I'm sorry, even when we hinted at Honomanshan where they felt like they were wanting to get into something that was where we were starting to get interested and then it just didn't go anywhere. So yeah, this maybe no, they totally go. They could lean into it absolutely.

[00:08:24] Going in, I was thinking that it was going to be kind of like a mashup of the Truman Show and the Lego movie. I'm Lego movie being a big IP thing, you know, and they made a movie.

[00:08:35] Other than it was actually good, which surprised me because I was like, why do I want to see a Lego movie? I saw it. I loved it. And the whole Truman Show aspect because it's something that gets a realization of a world outside that they're familiar with.

[00:08:47] And actually I was kind of like, you know, and if I already have that idea in my head, I feel like from the trailers which I tried to stay away from but I ended up seeing him.

[00:08:55] I was going to be kind of bored because I thought, yeah, there's nothing. You know, it's like already kind of get the idea and I felt like maybe the trailer showed me too much. You know, and so I was like, but it, I was wrong.

[00:09:06] It is kind of that, but it's a lot more and something that surprised me was that like you said, it was funny, which I thought it was capable of being that.

[00:09:14] But it really kind of does lean into being something a little bit more and talking about, you know, the big word that's mentioned.

[00:09:23] I don't think I've ever seen a movie, definitely rated PG-13 that talks about this topic or mentions the word patriarchy quite as much as this film does.

[00:09:34] And I still found it entertaining. I can see how some people might feel like it's, you know, maybe we're guardian kind of not, he wouldn't negative for me, but I can see how some people would be like, it's preaching too much.

[00:09:46] But for me, it wasn't like teaching me anything I didn't already know. So I guess for that reason, it didn't seem as heavy to me. Well, and I think too, I mean, should a film be in quote preachy?

[00:10:00] And that word is even kind of a bad way to describe what films can do. Right. But this idea that, okay, should a movie based on a popular character or popular property be quote preachy or have messages to say?

[00:10:16] Well, yes, no. But barbie kind of just, it's set to self up for it where there has to be a discussion about this.

[00:10:24] And there's a point in the film and you know, I think we can talk in general about these about plot and, you know, without getting too deep on where it goes in the film.

[00:10:33] But there's a moment in the film where there's kind of an epiphany that the stereotypical barbie goes through.

[00:10:42] By Margaret, by Margaret, by Margaret Rubie confronting a young girl that she's meeting in the real world who basically lays out for her like, no, this is what barbie represents to us. Right.

[00:10:54] That dichotomy, because like, at earlier in the whole first half of the film, we're just hearing what barbie means to one segment of people and how it has such positive values to them.

[00:11:04] But there's another population that sees it as negative values and it's like, okay, how do we reconcile all that and make that work? And it involves a little bit of preaching and it lends itself to this movie and it works.

[00:11:17] Yes, is it heavy handed? Yeah. Sure, it has some heavy messages to share. It absolutely let you know what its opinions are and it's hard to not sleeve the whole movie.

[00:11:29] But for a subject matter like Barbie, a doll that for generations has kind of been a little bit of a, this is the representation of the woman, the girl, the female in our society.

[00:11:45] Yeah, I think there's a lot to two hundreds a lot to say and there's a lot to reconcile with. I'm impressed that you know, Mattel films helped make this movie and Mattel does it come off super great in the movie.

[00:11:57] And I thought that was kind of a bold move. It's like, you know, letting Mattel be, meaning for a good part of the movie, Mattel is a all-mail run corporation that we see in the film that looks to be trying to stop Barbie from doing the kind of character she is.

[00:12:11] But said head of corporations will fail. Right. Yeah, I know, but I mean in that even itself a little bit of kind of poking fun at the idea of the where corporation and we have this doll and here we are trying to put the doll back in the box and make it, you know,

[00:12:24] the kind of doll that little girls are going to want as opposed to a doll that could actually represent women today and yeah, it was I thought it was a little daring and admirable that Mattel films is like, no, it's okay.

[00:12:38] We can kind of be a little bit of a take a joke. We can take a joke. We can be a little bit of the all-mail dominated corporate office type of thing and even having some pretty funny jokes about the leadership roles and Mattel over the years.

[00:12:52] Anyway, it was, it was good. I think, you know, it is the most meta of meta films and that it is which I'm was not, I mean I knew they would make winking stuff but I wasn't aware it was going to get quite as meta as a kid.

[00:13:05] Well, I just, and just so everybody understands a little bit of the plot, you know, of the film because we kind of just jump right into the review. You know, we have a character in Barbie and everybody's name Barbie in Barbie world.

[00:13:18] Me all women are Barbie. Barbie land. Sorry, Barbie land. In all men are kin. Well, except for Alan. Alan, I got to admit being an Alan myself.

[00:13:29] I, I, I found a little association with Alan throughout the movie. So I buy Michael Sarah play by Michael Sarah. Alan is kin's best friend and just kind of is always just kind of there. We can wear all of kin's clothes.

[00:13:42] But Margarobi as Barbie as the stereotypical Barbie you have Barbie land where everybody is a Barbie but they have different roles as Barbies but

[00:13:52] Margarobi is the quote stereotypical one and she finds a reason why she actually has to venture to the real world. So they are very clear and letting you know there's a Barbie land and then there's the real world in the real world as we know it.

[00:14:06] She has a reason to go there to seek out someone to find out what might be going on with her and some emotions you're having and that's where the plot kind of lands to.

[00:14:17] All while also kin played by Ryan Gosling. Great performance. I think there's just so much fun. I don't know much.

[00:14:24] I'm trying to think of another a more likable charming villain, doofus that has ever been in film and I don't think I can really come up with one because yet he's got a he's got a very delicate line to walk where you never hate him but he is kind of the antagonist with a lot of what's going on.

[00:14:46] But he's so likable and so he's funny. Yeah, and they have an interesting path to them because again as you know with Barbie and kids kind of always seen as being with Barbie and that's played off in the film.

[00:14:58] There's a discussion about what it means for the kin to be in the relation of the Barbie and

[00:15:04] kids exposure to the real world as he travels with Barbie is very, very different as he sees the real world. Very much the patriarchy as you said that's where that word starts to weave in.

[00:15:15] So he decides that that's more of the pathway he feels like he needs to go and that's where they conflict in the film kind of comes together for the latter half. Yeah, yeah, Ken, Ken Ryan Gosling's performance you mentioned it. It is it is very funny.

[00:15:34] Yeah, you never like you said you never hate Ken.

[00:15:38] No, you feel I feel sorry for Ken most of the time because even even the film does a great admirable job of while 90% of it is dealing with the fact that the role that women play in our society and have played for generations.

[00:15:55] And you know the role that men have played and that again, these are not where the patriarchy and kind of that so much the movies about that rightfully so.

[00:16:05] But it doesn't skirt on the fact that hey look, you know, Ken, Ken's also been in Barbie's world right kind of the second fetal he's always been the one that's there only to serve Barbie as well.

[00:16:17] So you they play both sides and they let you see both angles of it. Now granted here in the world, yes, we obviously had a more male dominated society, but they're also saying like even in the toy world.

[00:16:29] We realize things things need to be there's they do there's everybody's got to have their own personality or by he's got to have their own character own desires and that's okay. That's good and we want to foster that so.

[00:16:41] I think the film's got some great messages for everybody, it's a great I mean it's good messages for me even as a as a male just to hear and.

[00:16:50] Remind myself about the roles that we all need to be playing and should be playing its society and I think girls can get a lot of inspiration from this and get a lot of.

[00:17:02] I don't know it was just a it just worked it just worked on all those levels. Well, and I mentioned one of the things for me you know, I didn't know I knew yeah I knew the cut the drum lines that I'm but I was like.

[00:17:15] How is this going to be funny? And you know the light went down and the opening sequence was satirizing 2000 want to space honestly and I was like oh, I'm in.

[00:17:28] It could it could totally fail after the so-called sequence but their commitment to detail, but it wasn't just I mean it was. It was laying out kind of the history of Barbie but doing just like 2001 lays out the history of mankind like.

[00:17:42] Just absolute genius and I was like one ever by that unfortunately I had seen that in an early tease.

[00:17:50] I know so glad I said this morning because the same is the sun that you saw the sun rising shot I'm like okay yeah I know they're I've seen this in the teaser and I wish I hadn't because that would have been great.

[00:18:00] Yeah, I mean for me like I actually got a tear in my eyes I was laughing so much I was like and you know I could appreciate like the shot for shot things there was like oh man you know just man just knocked me over.

[00:18:12] And something else and this happens semi late in the film not won't spoil anything but for the filmmaker to be able to kind of take a poke you know they're poking at Barbie they're poking at the patriarchy they're making all these jokes later kind of late in the film there's a point where the narrator which is done by Helen Miran which is awesome.

[00:18:34] She has a line that kind of breaks the fourth wall.

[00:18:38] It's during this crucial sequence when Marga and he's like the sand so it's great and she makes this joke and everyone in the theater died like just was like laughing I'm like that's awesome to be able to you know kind of.

[00:18:51] Critiquing Hollywood. I mean just the whole thing and it's like okay that also very funny so I was surprised that for a film that was you know. Had a lot of lessons there it was still able to be very entertaining and very funny.

[00:19:06] The only joke that they never really kind of read from and I kept expecting them to just because I just thought it was a little bit funny but a little place has to do with mid the pregnant Barbie.

[00:19:21] If there is a pregnant Barbie and what's clever about the film too is in the end credits you actually see. Like commercials and ads for the various Barbies that you saw in the film so I mean they are all they're all a base.

[00:19:35] I think they were real but they apparently are in the middle of the pregnant Barbie. I do remember that.

[00:19:42] It was a real thing and it's played for jokes in the film it never gets it's it never gets a redemption moment of like anything which I got was kind of surprising because it's kind of a play for a joke that oh yeah we discontinued that one that freak people out.

[00:20:02] I think that's the most funny in the in the midst of the film. Yeah I yeah it's got a couple musical numbers. I thought we're fun. I thought there's a whole can's. It's that I'm just kidding is that the name of the song or a big production.

[00:20:23] Yeah yeah when it goes into full stage production. It's actually beautiful I mean it's a really well done music. I was not expecting no no and yeah it just a lot of little surprises in the film a lot of nice nice touches.

[00:20:41] I think a appearance by someone late in the film that you come to find out the role they play in Barbies world was touching and nice and just you know the end definitely went for the sentimental route.

[00:21:01] I think in it worked I think the ending was still was good. It's probably of their whole film ending may have been my least favorite but it's still good.

[00:21:12] Interesting yeah it might have leaned a little too heavy into messages for a bit longer than it needed to and I felt like those messages had already been kind of really hammered home quite a bit.

[00:21:24] It just kind of kept piling on the same message which again I get it you know you want to make sure people walk away with the right things in their head but I can it was a little heavy. I can see it at the very very very end.

[00:21:36] I can see what you're saying and I might have felt the same way except for the final long delivered by stereotypical Barbies. I can't believe a Greta Gerwig got away with it. Yeah and that just kind of like man it was.

[00:21:51] No that last little button and the ending credits with all the toys and answers great it's the more the.

[00:21:58] There's no long A sequence with Barbie having a long dialogue with someone that's the part was like okay I think we got it I mean I definitely I think we all got it and it just it just tended to go a little bit longer and a little bit deeper than maybe it needed to.

[00:22:16] I mean I still enjoyed it and it was just all the parts of the film that was probably where attention might have waned just a tear. But otherwise it was all great.

[00:22:28] Well it's interesting that you kind of point out that part I haven't you know I've heard other reviews about Barbie that have mentioned not that part but a different part in the film that they thought kind of.

[00:22:41] I'm not sure if you could have a little bit of a track to film a little bit which I think I mean they they understand the point of it but they thought it was a little much but for me totally totally worth.

[00:22:49] And that was the monologue that America for our kind of gifts. Oh no. I don't know that was great. Rally around and go against what Barbie land has tried to. That kind of turned upside down and said then they she has this kind of rallying monologue and.

[00:23:05] You know the whole thing I mean I thought it was really good and I didn't think it went on too long and the only thing I could figure is like wow you know I guess I don't know who knows what the.

[00:23:15] The things are that make somebody be nominated for best supporting actors but if you can just say okay the person had one scene.

[00:23:23] And plays it like that scene when she gives that monologue I thought was amazing and well if you can do it just based on that look. I it was so and so she she's in the rest of the film she plays a mom in the real world.

[00:23:38] And she has a daughter who's the daughter that you mentioned was kind of antagonistic towards stereotypical Barbie. But the mom has this chance to kind of say all these things and just I thought it was speaking for women.

[00:23:51] Yeah, everywhere and I mean there again I'm looking around the theater while that scenes playing out and just a lot of people yeah a lot of head nodding. It's like yep. That's correct that is absolutely correct everything is being said on screen so it's resonating.

[00:24:07] It's important and they turned it into a plot point which was I think impressive and they were able to okay so that they're not really in that model he's he's what makes this stand out for me and.

[00:24:19] Why I think it worked ultimately is they did have a point that model was like okay here we are we're going to just lay it all out there make this point.

[00:24:26] But then afterwards they used comedy to kind of turn the point and like show how they were going to counterbalance all this in in dirt like inequalities and they were joking about for instance. Using a guy going on and on about the godfather.

[00:24:45] Can we end the one of the females or the Barbie that's with him says can we start this movie of the beginning and let you know you told me all about it.

[00:24:54] Yeah, like those are things like yes I'm a guy yes I like talking I'm obviously talking about movies on this podcast but calling out those things but making it funny. Oh yeah, so it's kind of like if you can make a teachable moment funny that's awesome.

[00:25:09] No it was it was I think this film is an incredibly smart script and I think that I mean ultimately you can have all the visuals and the performances can be funny and engaging but.

[00:25:21] It's got to still say something in the script for this movie absolutely says something and does it in an entertaining way. The idea that we get a very.

[00:25:31] What could be seen is a very cliche plot of you know Barbie goes to real world and then when she comes back things have changed and she's got a conflict with this in turn it into a much bigger discussion about.

[00:25:44] Gender politics and the roles we all play and an acceptance level for one another I don't know just it all just worked and and I was really impressed with how they tied it together made it and endearing and emotional film.

[00:26:00] While also being one of the funnier movies I've seen in a while too and I was great I'm on the big fan big fan of Barbie.

[00:26:08] Yeah, I'm on the same page with you the immediate fear because you know I'm a I'm a dork and a film critic the immediate fear I have after watching like you said the credits which were entertaining as you know.

[00:26:21] The film ends and I'm like okay I really hope this is a one and done because but I mean I understand as we've talked many times on the show.

[00:26:32] I feel making a business man is you know you put so much money into things you want them to succeed and then when they do the temptation like well instead of gambling why don't we get for something sure.

[00:26:42] Yeah, I really hope that this is a one and done supposedly great a girl like has said like you know I'm not you know things could change but I'm not interested in doing another film this is what I saw I have seen somebody say that what if they do make a sequel it's all focused on can.

[00:26:59] No a bomb act direct that and Greta go away and no a bomb act co write it together, but then he writes maybe that would make for something interesting but I don't know I'm just don't mess with the game.

[00:27:10] Yeah, I don't know I don't it's all depends on what the desire is to make it it's all driven by whole hey this thing is making tons of money.

[00:27:20] It tells like yeah let's do another one okay, yeah, no but if there's something else to be said somebody else has an idea of a way to extend this story and still make it meaningful and make it.

[00:27:31] I don't know it just this is a little bit of magic in a bottle sorry it is it is it would be tough to replicate I think for sure but.

[00:27:41] Yeah, I mean can I just say how cool it is and how much I love the fact that if you go to look on this film on like IMDB website. You know where they list all the cast members show their it's everybody is listed as Barbie or can.

[00:27:55] I mean it's seriously I've got 30 actors here and it's all the guys are can except for Alan right by my go Sarah and except for midge midges only one who gets her own name in the credits like not being a Barbie right just sad but.

[00:28:10] Yeah, no I think this works on all the levels that needed to work on. I think Margarobi is really really strong in this role I mean she's an actress I feel like. I don't think she's had that big.

[00:28:27] I don't know I'm saying big starring like blockbuster role where it's like that's where she's she's been in so many good film sure and she's been so good in so many good films.

[00:28:38] And I think her Harley Quinn was probably the closest she got to having that that universal role where people are going to take her seriously but yeah like I can't think of her.

[00:28:50] When I think like Harley Quinn like if somebody else were to play it on my kid but Margaro really she's done it you know yes, but I have had read reports that you know anytime she was like headlining a film the film like kind of underperform or didn't do as well.

[00:29:03] So they were worried about whether she could carry an entire film type of thing because even as Harley Quinn she's great like she really helped her pal like the suicide squad movies but the movie that was I think birds a prey which was kind of her little bit more her story didn't perform as well so it's like.

[00:29:20] There was a lot of questions about that I think this puts it to rest it's like no she can carry a film she is a strong performer. Yeah it's great and then again tons of left for Ryan buck Gosling for doing this role.

[00:29:33] So it was great I think it yeah it'll be curious to see which we're going to get to in the new section whether or not the Academy Awards this year is just going to be the barbonheimer Academy Awards.

[00:29:45] Do you think this all that the thing that this is like Academy Award material and I'm being out just I'm being very practical here not saying like whether we want it to be your type of thing but I mean do you think this can be.

[00:29:55] Well you know okay so because it is not animated unlike those titles that I'd joked about in the introduction those were all like animated this is live action.

[00:30:06] So I think things are more and like leg of maybe was not you know wasn't my action so I think this is more likely to be taken seriously and because it does have those points about talking about women's roles or anything.

[00:30:19] I think there's a chance now some things like you mentioned the costume design the production design all that I don't I don't see how that cannot be nominated. I think production design has got to be in the mix on the show.

[00:30:33] I mean you know it's hard to say the field but my biggest question is would Gosling be supporting or would he be actor. It'd be supporting you think he would be.

[00:30:44] I think you really only have one lead actress and that's Mark Rubie everybody else I think is supporting and like I love everybody's performance here. I think Robe and Gosling are the only two that really have a chance of getting recognition. I think they could win.

[00:31:05] If you just if you take the 2000 barbonheimer if you take up and hammer yeah it's tough to.

[00:31:11] Yeah, it's because the material it's tough to see that but just I hope this week's in the field of best picture nominations if they go if they go to like nine or ten like they have been you know I think that's got a chance of being in there.

[00:31:24] It could adapt its screenplay because they're taking the screenplay property yeah I think screenplay production design. Nomination for best picture I don't expect it to win best picture but it me it could be in the mix.

[00:31:38] And I'd love to see I'd love to see both Mark Rubie and Ryan Gosling at least in the field for acting. Um, are you just want to see him? What's the song the kids on? I'm just kidding. Is that the name? Yeah.

[00:31:50] To see Ryan Gosling perform that for best original song. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I did have to read a little article too about how the front man for matchbox 20 got contacted about. Supposedly supposed to be always wondered about stuff like that.

[00:32:09] I was a grader Greg reached out to him directly asking to be able to use this. Mr Thomas. And it's supposed they were because for those who haven't seen the film and still listening to this Ryan Gosling does do a rendition of the song push by matchbox 20.

[00:32:25] You come to find out one of his favorite songs, which is played for a joke. Because the idea that Ken is not supposed to have the best taste in music or style at that point. Right.

[00:32:39] But supposedly the lead singer of matchbox 20 was okay with it because he thought the rendition that Ken gave in the film was actually a little more heartfelt than he would have expected it to be and a little more. There was there was some real meaning behind the performance.

[00:32:55] Whether we take that or not, but it was still very funny. It was used well in the film.

[00:33:01] And I mean, I guess to the benefit of matchbox 20, like I said that song, I had not thought about that song a long time and it was definitely stuck in my head.

[00:33:11] So yeah, and then you mentioned the end of your girls closer to find as yeah that became kind of the little bit the rallying mantra in the film and several points. So yeah, it was good. I'm very, very happy with this film. Very happy.

[00:33:28] You know, it wasn't there a version of Barbie that was supposed to be taking place like years ago production wise with who's the humor. Amy Schumer. There was. Yeah. But that didn't involve got to go and get all that was like a whole different thing.

[00:33:42] It was somebody else that was going to direct a AA and then she stepped away and things you know typical Hollywood like I said in the this they originally announced in 2018. Okay, this was going to be Bart and his taken we're now in 2025 years.

[00:33:54] So it's taken this long time. Well, I think they found the right chemistry, the right magic for us. So I'm all for Hollywood taking a stime if it means you get a good product at the end of the day. Absolutely. This is a lot of fun.

[00:34:05] Good movie that is Barbie and we are both pretty high on it. Big fans of the film. It is playing. I mean, look, I went on a Thursday night. And it was my theater was sold out. I when I grabbed my tickets.

[00:34:23] They were like two of the only two in a pair left. Okay, small theater but still I mean still this the Thursday evening. It's even during the week. Now it's surprised at the crowd. So this thing's got a lot of legs.

[00:34:36] It's going to be around for a while. So all right. That is Barbie. By Greta Gerwig, starring Margarobi, Ryan Gosling. We are fans. We recommend checking it out. Don't let any preconceived stigma is getting your way. There's something to be had for everybody. This is a fun movie.

[00:34:52] So all right, Chris. Let's take a quick little break. And when we come back, we're going to do our preview of the remainder of 2023. What movies are still in the hopper day becoming out this year? Now, Greta, there may be some shifts. We'll talk about those scheduling wise.

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[00:35:44] We had our very positive review of the film Barbie earlier in this episode. Yes, Chris and I both loved it and recommend everybody go out and see it. Good times at the movies for sure.

[00:35:55] So let's turn our attention now to what's coming up the rest of the year, Chris. We have, we are at the, as of the recording of this, it's in the later part of July.

[00:36:06] We are, I think we're pretty much done with the summer as far as movies go. But when I can tell, looking at the schedule, I mean, I know summer technically goes until like September on a calendar basis or so.

[00:36:19] It's not that many new movies come, our big movies coming out the rest of like August or so. Sure. So we're really starting to turn our attention more towards looking at films between now and December. And of course as you get closer to the end of the year,

[00:36:34] the general theory is that those are the films that are going more for a war to claim and nominations in the year. I would argue with that a little bit, I don't think that's quite as cut and dry as it was in years past.

[00:36:49] I think you know, with streaming schedules and release schedules and different studio players. I think award contention is a little broader than just that October November December timeframe. But still, that's probably where we're going to get a majority of our nominated films. So let's do this, Chris.

[00:37:06] I'm going to hit the highlights of films. I'm going to kind of throw out some months and a few of the films coming out those months. Okay, that are still kind of on the radar.

[00:37:16] Some bigger films or films that might be one to worth attention to pay attention to as we go forward. And just get some quick reactions to how we're feeling about the rest of the year, 2023. The same good? Yes. Okay.

[00:37:29] So I'm going to say for August, which is just a few days away at the time this recording. August 2020, 3. Really the big films in August. We do have the last voyage of the Demeter, which is a new vampire Dracula movie.

[00:37:45] I'm excited about it, but I also feel like it could be garbage. I don't know. It's hard to say. I'm intrigued by the premise. The early days early type of vampire Dracula on the boat of the Demeter on his way to, I believe it's to America. Yeah.

[00:38:02] So it looks like the whole movie takes place on a boat. I'm kind of excited about the premise. Yeah, I like that much. Sure. So we'll see. But again, it could be trash too. We'll see. Last voyage of the Demeter, Grand Tourism. You're thoughts on that.

[00:38:19] You've seen the trailer, I'm sure a few times because I know it's been in front of the movies. I've seen two films. And it'd be one thing if it was just a grand Tourism, which Grand Tourism is a video game. It is. Okay. So car racing video game.

[00:38:33] If they were just making that, I would have absolutely no interest. But the one thing that I'm like, oh, well, that is interesting is the premise of the movie is not just making a movie about a video game, but the thing that apparently happened in real life,

[00:38:48] where they took some people who were young people who were really skilled at actually driving the video game and made them real world race car drivers. Okay. I was not aware that had happened. That is interesting. So could that be an interesting movie, maybe?

[00:39:05] Well, I mean, and it does, I think we've mentioned this before. Neil Bont Blomcamp is the director. Mr. Known. District 9, which I did see a kind of funny meme. Some might put up online.

[00:39:16] The fact that every movie Neil Blomcamp has made the trailer or teaser marketing for it always says from the director of District 9. Not chappy. No matter what other film, like he's done five films since then. Right.

[00:39:30] Every film has been from the director of District 9 because that seems to be the only movie that actually worked for anybody and it was successful. So it's Neil Bont Blomcamp, which is at least interesting. Yeah.

[00:39:42] It does have David Harbourn who I really like, or Lando Bloomz in it. I mean, and I like the fact that it's based on a real story. So who knows? Yeah, because if it was just the thing about the video game, I think you're the same thing. Yeah.

[00:39:55] As soon as you realize it's a true story, I might. Oh, okay. Well, maybe we'll see. Yeah. I'm at least curious. I want to hear some early reviews from people who get a chance to see it and if there's anything worth checking out on that or not.

[00:40:09] Also, Blue Beetle is the next DC movie coming out in August. I feel so bad for Blue Beetle. Yeah. And I have not seen it yet, but I did. It was one of, I'm sure you're the same way. Barbie head, like what felt like 50 previews before it.

[00:40:27] This was one of them. And we've talked about collective superhero burnout. Yeah. You know, and I feel like everyone the theater kind of grown. I saw people looking at their watches. Yeah. When the Blue Beetle preview came on in, it's like,

[00:40:42] Yeah, I just regardless of how good it may be. I feel bad for it because I feel like it's just. Well, it's coming at a horrible time because I mean, flash bombed. Right. That's got all in the news.

[00:40:53] People know how bad that movie tanked at the box office. Which I'm a recorder saying, yeah. I mean, you liked it. I thought it was okay, but I don't think it deserved the bashing it got for sure.

[00:41:04] And then, you know, they've already said the DCs going in a whole No, the direction with this movie. So this is kind of like a little leftover film in a way. Possibly. I don't know. And then relatively unknown to it, which I'm all for.

[00:41:17] I think is great, but unfortunately it's not going to help it out in the box office. You know, it does seem to be a Latino family, which I think is awesome. And that is true to this recent version of the character in the comic books, which is great.

[00:41:30] But I just don't know if it's going to create a draw. So yeah, I feel bad for it too. I feel bad for it. Something that I will say does make me kind of interested in it is Susan Strand in Place of Villain. Yeah.

[00:41:40] Some like I didn't know that in college all the trailer just last night on that. So it was interesting. I don't the forecast for Bluebeard already incredibly low. Okay. They're saying it's going to be like very little money made opening week and they're already projecting.

[00:41:54] So if it does anything better than that, it may actually be kind of considered a little bit of a success. So so that's kind of the ones in August that we've got coming out big ones. Okay. We get into September.

[00:42:06] Did you know, Denzel Washington's making another equalizer movie? I, this is the third one. Right. Yes. In my follow-up question, have you seen any of the Denzel Washington equalizer movies? No, but apparently the franchise does have its fans. Okay. So now I did.

[00:42:24] I had heard that he was making a third one and unfortunately I can't really get excited about it. Yeah. I, like I loved Denzel Washington. And, but I just, I never, I never got interested in the first one and I haven't really seen or heard enough about.

[00:42:39] Follow-ups to make me feel interested in them. I could be wrong. It could be one of those franchises. It was like, yeah, it's actually good entertaining action movies but having I into it. I've heard very, very little about this film. But supposed to be coming out September 1.

[00:42:53] But oh, wow. So pretty soon. Pretty soon. I haven't seen anything else from it. A haunting and Venice is coming out in mid September. That's the new Kenneth Brana, her Q-Poro series of the Agatha Christie movie. Agatha Christie movie. And adaptations?

[00:43:10] Now we'll say, I thought the trailer was kind of cool. I did too. I think going with definitely more of a supernatural creepier scary or aspect to the story. Obviously it deals with Ghosts. I mean, it's kind of the idea of a ghost.

[00:43:26] It's kind of interesting cast behind it. I think Tina Fey's in this. I mean, some other care people I wouldn't have expected. It looks good. But I was not a fan of the murder of the Oriental Express, the first one of the series that Kenneth Brana did.

[00:43:39] I thought it was pretty dull and just see death on the night. I did not. I did. And I'm not a fan of either one of them. Okay. So I haven't been a fan of what he's done with it.

[00:43:48] It's just seems like a very paint by numbers, very simple. Well, what bothered me the most of that first Oriental Express movie is I felt like the mystery was not something based on the film that you could have ever possibly figured out. It's like it was so convoluted.

[00:44:03] There's just no way that a human could watch this movie and think, oh, maybe I think I can figure out. And that's the fun of a mystery movie is it's got to be something that you could figure out if you paid attention to everything and solve. Right.

[00:44:16] I don't know if that's going to continue with this version or not. But at least the trailers in the way it's shown looked more interesting. So I'm curious about that. Outside of that, the expendables have a fourth movie coming out. Never seen any of those.

[00:44:32] I have an either. Now, it's just action kind of a comedy too, right? Yeah, I think it's one of those actions where everybody's saying catch phrases and funny things each other. But yeah, we have another soul movie coming out. Salt in.

[00:44:47] I thought we were finally done with that. I think because if you remember Chris Rock tried to do kind of a... Yeah, he did a little bit of a revisionist kind of version of it and I don't think that hit for anybody at all.

[00:44:59] So I think they said, now we'll just get back to the franchise. So we've got salt in coming out. Now, the only film I do think is interesting in September that I'm curious about is the creator. And that is the film. It is by Garth Edwards.

[00:45:15] It is a science fiction film. It's starring John David Washington, Jimachanne, Allison Janey. It is... I think, from what we see from the trailer it is, a guy having to kind of rescue a human robot, Messiah, kid who could hold the key to the world's future.

[00:45:39] It's a big high concept, man. But it looks good. I like John David Washington quite a bit. Yeah. I like Garth Edwards as a director. So I am optimistic on this one. It getting a September release is not the most reassuring release.

[00:45:56] No, because if it was high confidence you put it out in summer, September's kind of a dump month for things. So I don't know. I don't know how the creator is going to be. But I am...

[00:46:07] Of the ones I've mentioned in September that's the one I would kind of gravitate to. What I am seeing the Chris is that we have very few things to review in the month of September. That we are going to be excited about reviewing.

[00:46:19] Well, maybe we'll just do a... An equalizer buildup. I think I got back and revisit this. There's also the none to which I didn't know the none was now a franchise but which is... Which that's a spin-off of something as well. I don't think so.

[00:46:37] It's not a spin-off of a kind of city or something. Or the conjuring or something. Yeah, you're right. So the none to... Yeah. We've got expendables for Saul 10. The equalizer 3 in the none to. That's our September.

[00:46:53] Only two movies I think we've seen that we have some passing interest in possibly. Haunting and Venice in the creator. Yeah. So that's our two in September. Okay. Then we can talk to over. And things don't look much better at this point. We have Craven the Hunter. Oh.

[00:47:12] Yeah, which... Oh, not interested. And that will be the nadear of Marvel. Is that an official Marvely story? Oh, this is a story. This is a story, okay. Yeah. Very much a story. I mean it's a... In the Marvel University. It's a partnership with Marvel.

[00:47:26] Marvel's logo is going to slap up on the screen for a few seconds but it is a Sony picture. So let's not... We will not confuse the two. Sure. That's coming out October 6th. Not interested from what I've seen. I thought the trailer was very... Yeah.

[00:47:41] Not the trailer just didn't have a lot going for it. The concept, everything I'm not interested. We have a new exorcist movie. The exorcist believer coming out October 13th. Okay. But David Gordon Green is the director of this now.

[00:47:56] David Gordon Green who did the last two or three Halloween movies. Right. The new trilogy on that. So what's your thoughts on this, Chris? This is interesting. I... You know. Okay. I like David Gordon Green as a director of a Garus of opinions on his independent film.

[00:48:12] Some of the Halloween movies worked better for me than others. But overall, I like what I see when I watch his films. I demonic possession. Like all ghosts see on the same thing. When you and I review horror movies.

[00:48:25] Demonic possession stuff is just something that I never really care for. Basically, I think because it kind of freaks me out. I don't know which I get. It's obviously the point. I have seen the original exorcist. But I really...

[00:48:38] The only thing that will get me in the theater to see this is the fact that David Gordon Green is directing it. But in difference to the Halloween movies, which I went out and saw them open weekend,

[00:48:50] I will probably wait to hear if this is good because I just really hesitate about demonic possession stuff. Well, and it does not look like David Gordon Green is writing this in any way shape or form. Oh, then that makes me even less.

[00:49:04] The theater statlers got teens or the creasers, as well as William Peter Blattley, who is the original author. I think it's just based on his work. Is it...

[00:49:13] Do we know is it a retelling of the first one or is it just kind of like a next chapter type thing? Like a sequel type thing, or is it... Would you say it was a new beginning? So that makes sense. That's what they're crediting it as.

[00:49:26] I'm looking right now to see. So basically the synopsis for this. Let's dig into this just for a second. It is considered a sequel to the 1973 film. About a 12-year-old girl who's possessed by mysterious demonic entity, forcing her mother to seek the help of two priests to savor.

[00:49:41] Okay. So sequel to the original one. But are they ignoring all the other ones? Which is basically what he did with the Halloween franchise too. The same thing is like, okay, this is a sequel to the original one. We're kind of discounting all the other ones happening. Okay.

[00:49:57] That seems to be what they're saying as far as everything I'm envious of. Ellen Burston is in the film. Okay. And she was in the original 1973 actresses. Okay. So I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, it's been so long since I saw the original actresses.

[00:50:15] I do remember going to see actresses three in the movie theater, while I was in college. Wow. On a double date, which is that was not well-advised. And I only think I can remember about that movie.

[00:50:28] The only thing I can remember about actresses three is still one of the scariest moments. Sitting the hospital or something. Yes. The hospital, the white kind of ghost nurse kind of. Yeah. That's still terrifies me whenever I see it. So.

[00:50:43] See, I haven't even seen that film, but I know that there's a scene. I mean, that's the only scene I remember in the entire movie. Gotcha. I don't think there's anything else to it. But that one shot, that one quick. Oh my gosh. Okay.

[00:50:57] So pencil me in for curious. Okay. But like you, I'm not rushing out to see this unless I hear that there's something to it. Catch you. I got to hear somebody tell me, yeah, there's something to there. There's something there. Something decent. Good.

[00:51:13] Now, I would be saying that October is going to be our month for Dune Part Two. But as we mentioned, I think maybe last week or two weeks ago for our news there have been some delays because of the writers and actors strikes that.

[00:51:28] I mean, actors even though this movie is done or at least in final post production. So actors and writers are not involved anymore. But it's the promotion of the film that's going to get hampered if actors don't go out and do promotion for it.

[00:51:40] What they can't when they're on strike. So Dune Part Two was slated for October 19th. And it may not be happening this. So if that doesn't happen, Chris October is trash. Here's kind of just theoretical question.

[00:51:53] And I guess I can't second guess studios because they've been doing this for a long time and then it better than silly old me. For something like Dune Two, do you think it really makes a difference if they have them going?

[00:52:06] Like they've already got the promotion engine of the first film. And it did well. And they did a little bit of reviews in theaters. And like, so you really think then I think they're going David, not David Letterman, but not being able to go on the pitch.

[00:52:20] I think so just because it has there was a little bit more of a gap between part one and part two. The most movies are trying to do now that are backed back parts one and parts two. Right.

[00:52:32] Yeah, you've got two kind of hot stars in it with Timothy Schallame and Zendaya. Both ones that you know, get out on the red carpet and get some people's attention. I don't know.

[00:52:44] I kind of feel like, yeah, I think they're needing that promotion push a little bit more. Okay. Yeah. So anyway, we'll see if they make that collar not but right now it's tentatively slated for October,

[00:52:55] but we will see if it ends up holding or delaying based on the strikes. That's it for October. Okay. We get into November. And okay, the movie step up a little bit November. This is where we start to see some of the bigger the bigger movies coming in.

[00:53:11] Okay. We have the next Marvel movie, Captain Marvel 2 which is being called the Marvels. I think we talked about this in passing as well. This is going to be a hard sell for Marvel.

[00:53:24] I think Marvel's got to really pick up their game on quality and the story telling they're doing. Nothing's given me much confidence about this. Seeing the trailers, seeing the premise, seeing the concept, I'm not seeing a big audience for this.

[00:53:41] I'd like to be wrong though but we'll see. You know, November 10th for Captain Marvel 2 slash the Marvels. Okay. Now, the one in November, one of two films in November. I think it'd be excited for. We do have David Fincher's new film The Killer. Michael Fassman.

[00:53:58] Michael Fassbender, till to Switton. In a two and a half hour action movie called The Killer. And this is, I think, Oop as showing in the Toronto Film Festival. I think it's getting a big splash there. Word is good. It is David Fincher.

[00:54:15] It is David Fincher with Michael Fassbender. Fastbender we really haven't seen. Do a lot lately. So I'm excited. I'm very excited. This is going to be, I think this is going to be good. So I wonder what the thinking with that is because it's at a film festival.

[00:54:31] Even though stars may not be able to promote it. It'll get the hype of being in a film festival. Yeah, okay. With releasing it. Yeah, yeah. I think so. And I think I do think a film like The Killer doesn't need the red carpet as much.

[00:54:43] Because I think just like people with Oop and Heimer, okay? It's Christopher Nolan. People go to the Christopher Nolan movie. Killer people are going to go to a David Fincher movie. They just are.

[00:54:54] I just think there are enough film fans out there that's like they know a David Fincher movie didn't come around every day. And just about without exception, the movies are always high caliber really good movies. Got you.

[00:55:06] I do think Michael Fassbender is due for a little bit of a resurgence to kind of get back in the game on highly acclaimed films because he did kind of wane for a while. He had some misfires. He got bogged down.

[00:55:17] I think with the X-Men movies and some other stuff and just have really seen him do a really good movie in a while. So this could be it for him coming back. But also in the same month, Michael Fassbender also has another movie coming out.

[00:55:34] The next go-wind which is a Tyco with TD movie. Directed based on a true story. Based on a true story. It is a movie about soccer. The trailer I think is funny. It could be very formulaic but it looks fun.

[00:55:53] It is Tyco with TD's written and directed it with Michael Fassbender in Elizabeth Moss. So that's coming out November 17th. Kind of surprising that the killer's slated for November 10th. Although the killer could be coming out and limited release initially. And then go wide later in November.

[00:56:09] But next go-winds, I don't know if that's going to be a wide release film or if that's going to stay somewhat limited. But honestly those are two I'm interested in and then the third one that I think is going to be the big film in November is Napoleon.

[00:56:24] Okay. That is the Ridley Scott starring Rucking Phoenix as the titular Napoleon. Bonaparte is an Apple Studios movie but it is releasing in theaters first. But I think the plan is to have it go to Apple TV plus within a relatively shorter window of time.

[00:56:42] But it is going to be in theaters only initially. Okay. So I have those Chris, the killer next go-winds in Napoleon kind of where's your interest level at this point. I don't even throw a Captain Marvel in there. Even though I know you're not tail-leaked.

[00:56:57] Yeah, I wish I could be but yeah, like I kind of alluded to with Blvd. I'm kind of burned out on comic book stuff so that would be the lowest one I'm interested in. Between the other three probably a battle between Napoleon and the killer.

[00:57:10] Because actually I'll say because you know all the time historical dramas are not my favorite niche. But I do like walking Phoenix and I really do like Ridley Scott but I haven't seen a venture film in a while. I haven't seen Fosman in a while.

[00:57:28] Well, the last venture film was what make. I do not remember if it was it. Yeah, maybe. I think it was make. Our intern is running down the hall to give me notes on this. The whole title I'll be able to tell you.

[00:57:48] He did mine 100 on Netflix but then movie wise I think make. Yeah, it was make. I can make. He did mine 100 on TV that was actually a little bit before me. Sure.

[00:57:58] He did an episode of Love Death and Robots on Netflix at TV series by this far as movies go. Yeah, it was he had done Gonger on to a 2014 and he did make in 2020.

[00:58:08] That was six years between movies coming up to make an hour at three almost four years between this and the killer. So yeah. So you're between do you say you're most interested in? I would probably say the killer. Okay, that's right. I am too. I am.

[00:58:25] I love Fasbender. I like venture when he's when he's on his game. This seems like right up Ventures Ali. It does concept and story. So let's do it. Now I didn't mention one of two films also in November. We do have a Hunger Games prequel.

[00:58:42] The ballad of song birds and snakes. Might tie for the longest title. Also all that needs is a part one and it would definitely win that. That is coming up in November 17th and also Disney's film Wish, which is an animated film.

[00:58:59] It's coming out in November 22nd as well. Okay. Don't know much about Wish. Don't know very little about the Hunger Games prequel. Herringing's prequel, the only thing that gives me any. I loved. I loved the books.

[00:59:15] Well, the first two books, which is actually kind of how I thought the first maybe I really liked catching fire. It was okay and then mockingbird just kind of crashed and burned. Yeah, they split up into two movies.

[00:59:27] The only thing that gives me any hope for this is that the writers who's in my. Did actually write the book. Okay. So they are basing it off a prequel book that she wrote. If they just came up with the idea,

[00:59:40] oh, we're going to do a prequel and they just made the way probably wouldn't be very concerned about it. I still am not looking forward to seeing it but have a little glamour of hope because she bothered to write.

[00:59:50] You know, she wrote a book and then they said, okay, now we're going to turn into a movie. So I don't know. I'll be curious. Probably be like the exercise. Maybe I'll probably kind of do a wait and see it, bro. Yeah.

[01:00:01] So that was one more movie I forgot to mention. Okay. So trolls band together is coming out in November. And that was one of the 5,000, 432 trailers we saw before Barbe. Yeah, it was. Okay. If we had people looking at their watch during the Blue Beetle,

[01:00:17] people were like actively getting cranky during the troll. So we had the troll in together thing. But what was funny, I mean, you saw the same batch of trailers I'm sure I did. So we had the trolls trailer and there wasn't there like a rated R movie trailer

[01:00:31] also like right next to it that was like, I thought completely on the other end of the spectrum and just kind of very polarizing the audience in the crowd. There was something like that. What was it? I can't remember. But I think you're, right?

[01:00:45] Because it's a PG-13 film Barbe. Right. It's our RPG movie previews. But it was a weird dichotomy. It was like, here's the trolls and they're singing with all family and happy and then there's one is like, oh wow, this one's a little edgy or this one's a little

[01:01:01] little more adult. Yeah. Okay. So that's November. So November we've actually got some decent films coming out some things of interest for sure. Okay. Then we get to December. And December is slated right now. Even though these are all also subject to change. Sure.

[01:01:17] Supposed to be Wonka, which we showed the trailer for that in the last couple of other reasons. Which would be, could be holiday movie if they don't bump it? But could be. Yeah. So it's slated right now December 15th. We will see. Okay.

[01:01:30] I'm going to go ahead and say that I think the rest of these are not happening because Ghostbusters is supposed to have an after-life sequel coming out in December but there's been nothing mentioned about this. I think so. It was slated for December 20th.

[01:01:44] That's not going to happen. But there's supposed to be a fourth Star Trek movie. That is not happening because nothing has been set with that. Oh, still using the... Mm-hmm. Yep. Zack Snyder. I suppose to have his Rebel Moon movie. His big sci-fi epic.

[01:02:00] Yeah, and that's done but you're saying you don't think it's going to come out. I mean, it's July. We haven't seen anything about it. I mean, by July. Is it the theatrical release? Yeah. I think so. Ooh, that's a good question.

[01:02:12] I know he did one for Netflix that was like zombies. I can't remember what the name of it was. But, um... Yeah, I know he did some on Netflix there. I don't know if Rebel Moon. Oh, no, it's going to be a standalone Netflix film. Okay.

[01:02:25] So we could still push out in December. Because Netflix... I don't know. I don't know. Netflix doesn't care about... They don't push it maybe this early. Yeah. So that still could be happening but again, we've heard very little. I don't know for sure if that's happening. Okay.

[01:02:39] And the loss kingdom is supposed to be Christmas day, if December... And I think that one's also rumored about possibly be being bumped. So I don't know. December's a little weird. There's just not a lot else there that we know for sure is going to happen.

[01:02:53] I think these strikes are really going to dictate in the next month or so. Whether we're going to have a death of movies in December or not. Um... Even November. I'm not thinking Napoleon's going to happen. I feel pretty strong about that in November.

[01:03:07] I think the killer will still happen. Whether Marvel, Bumps, Movies... It's movie in November. I don't know. It's a good question to all of you around. Now, but I haven't mentioned is October going back... You know, why it's not on this list that I've been reviewing.

[01:03:23] But I know we got flowers in the killer moon. Right. Coming out, that is going to theaters. And then shortly afterwards we'll be Apple TV+. I think. Same idea as Napoleon. Okay. And that's of course the new score. Say Z-Film coming out with Leonardo DiCaprio. Um...

[01:03:44] But let me look at the theaters. Any other films I'm missing because I feel like that list I was just using was a little lighter. Apple TV+, is going to have two huge films... Gunning for Oscar. I mean, Napoleon and the killer.

[01:03:57] I'm assuming there's... I mean, both by big directors. Oh yeah. Let me throw out a couple more. I should have mentioned... Sure. The list I was looking at was not the most complete list of films. So I'm just going to hit a couple more quick ones.

[01:04:09] In September, we do have the film Poor Things. The Yorgos Lanthamos Film. I'd heard rumors that that might get booted. And it very well may have. The mood may be white. It wasn't on the other list. I was looking at. It was slated for September 8th.

[01:04:23] But I may not be that. Yorgos Lanthamos. Yeah. I'm in his movies. Oh yeah. Yeah. Challenging. I'm in his movies. Oh yeah. Challengers is also supposed to be September 15th. We showed the trailer for that a couple weeks ago. I'm excited for that film. It's still getting preview.

[01:04:41] Oh yeah. Challengers. That's what it was. That was the film that, like, right after the trolls trailer. Definitely not. Definitely an interesting more film. Challengers are on excited about. I want to see that. And that's slated right now for September 15th. Okay.

[01:04:56] October, we covered all of those except for flowers of the killer moon. A killer of the flower moon. Sorry October 20th. In at the hitters. That one of course is. It's going to be a big deal. That one's going to be a big deal, I think.

[01:05:10] November we mentioned doon. We mentioned marbles. We mentioned that. Oh, the killer's on Netflix. Really? Is it not getting a theatrical release? Surely it is. So you're saying. Killers of the flower moon. And Napoleon are both on Apple TV plus.

[01:05:27] And you're saying the killer by David Fincher is going to be on Netflix. Yes. There's no way they're not going to do a theatrical release for that. I mean, maybe. Listeners hold tight. I'm I'm I'm researching this as we speak. Because I am. I will say curious.

[01:05:43] Yeah, I will say something that's been discussed. Grant, this is for Best Picture starting in 2025. Is that they're going to require and expanded the theatrical run to qualify for Best Picture now? Won't be the case in 2024, which is when these sounds are big.

[01:05:59] But like, supposedly that is you can't just do going straight to Netflix or only like a week in a theater. You have to do an expanded theatrical run. So what have you found out out? So the killer. Yes. Sorry.

[01:06:11] Michael Fassbender and Till To Swinton is going to Netflix November 2023. It is playing at the Venice Film Festival premiering there. Okay. So that rule about Best Picture qualification hasn't started yet. So I guess that's why they're not doing it because it all have to. I guess. Interesting.

[01:06:29] And then in December, I'm looking to see if there was anything else missing. We didn't. Yeah, Rebell Moon is also a Netflix movie. That is the Zack Snyder one. So Netflix has got a couple big movies that are going to be straight to Netflix.

[01:06:42] That's the killer and then Rebell Moon. Apple TV Plus has two big movies, but they are releasing them in theaters first for a few weeks. And then going to their streaming service. Right. And then we don't know about release dates for sure of Aquaman or Wanka.

[01:07:04] Some of those are possibly moving. One that I didn't mention in December, I'm seeing now that I definitely want to mention is the color purple. So we do have the new musical and musical version of the color purple.

[01:07:14] Coming a produce by Oprah Winfrey on December 25th as well. So that is the year remaining. Chris, just really quick, I know we went maybe a little long on this but it's good catch up.

[01:07:31] It's good for me to plot out my film going schedule for the rest of the year. Sure. Of the films we've talked about, what are the ones that could be talked about in your prediction, and a Academy Award time from this later half of the year.

[01:07:44] Assuming the ones are released that we talked about. So I would think killers of the flower men, the killer and the Napoleon. And if it's released, the color purple. Yeah, I think the color purple could be one two.

[01:07:59] I mean, we saw the trailer for the first time I did anyway last night. Looks good. It looks like it could be a really good film. I'm sorry to see that. Yeah, I'm kind of with you on there.

[01:08:10] There's a little one that would say or the ones that could see rising to the top as well. I mean, do not think is obviously a case release this year for a lot of visual effects and other awards there.

[01:08:22] Did not get nominated for any of the bigger awards, didn't get in the acting awards, didn't get in any best picture awards. I think it was nominated semi-taography, possibly but definitely like visual effects, production design and all that. Right.

[01:08:37] Yeah, but you know what Chris I mean, you mentioned three films and you're right. That's the three films. I think that could get some buzz. And then you look from the first half of the year when you got up in a hammer and we got Barbie.

[01:08:51] Is there any, I mean, has there been anything else? Spiderverse. Well, yeah. Crossed spiderverse obviously animation will get, but I think it could get some love beyond that too. But really, there's not a lot of health right? I mean, I'm wrong.

[01:09:10] I'm depending on your thoughts on asteroid city, which we've did earlier here on the show. I just don't think it's going to get any kind of credit or love. Right. There's nothing. Right. I mean, really, it's it's up and up, Barbie.

[01:09:29] Then you know, possibly again, we're speculating on the killer. Killers of the flower moon. Napoleon. Yeah. And assuming that those will be ones that will get some buzz, Oscar buzz, but we don't know. Right. Yeah, it's going to be kind of weird. It will be kind of weird.

[01:09:47] But I'm actually a little intrigued that they all seem to be bigger movies. That could get some good box office numbers to be Oscar nominated films. What about, I mean, were there any independent films like smaller films that are kind of in that.

[01:10:02] Oscar buzz territory right now too. I know past lives has kind of been a critical darling for a good part of the year. It gets a official white or release, I think, in August. But are there other ones? Not, not them aware of.

[01:10:20] But yeah, past lives is one that I've heard a lot. It's kind of like this year's afters on. Yeah, exactly. Right. So, all right. Well, that'll make it interesting. Yeah, curious about the rest of the year now. See how's the thing shape up?

[01:10:32] And of course, all that's possibly in flux, because if studios can't promote the films effectively, they don't want to release it and not maximize the box office return for it. So, these strikes could have much, much greater implications.

[01:10:45] I mean, there are already big implications for obviously people in those careers. Absolutely. But has a spillover implication on the movie going public and that not just films are being stopped being made,

[01:10:56] but dot films are maybe not gaming and be released because of lack of promotion by the actors. Right. Okay. Well, I think that's wraps up our 2023 preview so far. Hempful of films excited about. Hempful on looking forward to.

[01:11:11] Looks like I've got a reason to keep my Netflix subscription going for at least a few more months. There you go. So, yes. If you have any feedback for us or maybe films we forgot to mention on the 2023 preview,

[01:11:25] or you saw Barbie and you've got, you want to echo any of our thoughts or have any country thoughts we'd love to hear those as well. Chris, how do they go about doing that with us? You can send an email to infoatfootcandle.org.

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