Alien: Romulus

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[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello everyone and welcome to Footcandle Films here on The MESH.tv podcast network

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: My name is Alan Jackson, with me is Chris Fry

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_02]: We are both with the Footcandle Film Society and the annual Footcandle Film Festival

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris, how are you doing?

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing well, I'm looking forward to hearing your opinions about the film we're reviewing today

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a big summer release

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Late summer

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Late summer

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Late summer, big release, part of a franchise that...

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: There's some history there, especially a little bit more I'm looking over on your side of the table

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you are... We're talking about Alien, I know we kind of drew out the tease there

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But talking about the new Alien movie, we're going to get into their review of that in just a minute

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I think since the start of the show in 2011

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I think we have reviewed every Alien film that's been put out

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of our duty at this point to review this film

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's expected of us

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: By our legions of fans, yes

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Our legions of fans have clamored for this

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We have reviewed every Alien film in the franchise

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It has come out since we started the show, which has only been...

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, let's be honest

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's only been three of them?

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this would be the third

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Third one that's come out since we started

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Prometheus, we had Covenant, and then this one

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Covenant, that's the one I keep forgetting the name of

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the names of these kind of do bounce around, so it's fair

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's Alien colon something in most cases

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_03]: In most cases, yes

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So we are going to talk about the latest Alien colon Romulus

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: That is the newest one from director Fede Averes

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be discussing that in just a moment and giving our thoughts

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I know Chris is a big fan of the original Ridley Scott Alien

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a fan of it as well, but Chris is a superfan

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris is going out on Thursday night

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The night, technically before even opening night

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Of the film to go see this film

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: This is true

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So I know you're going to introduce the film in a minute, Chris

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But I just be warned

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to immediately turn it back to you

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I am more curious about your take

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think I know it

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I know your take on this film

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to see if I predict it right

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: After we do our review of Alien Romulus

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I've got a news item and a trailer of a new film

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I just was made aware of that one to share with Chris

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And with the audience, and we can talk about it

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So we got a little bit of news to cover

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Chris, I believe you have a recommendation of a film for us as well

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: By the end of the episode

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll cap off the episode with that patented special Chris Fry recommendation

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So all that to say, Chris, are you ready to jump into

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Back into the world of Alien and talk about this latest film?

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Alright

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Is this really where you want to spend the rest of your life?

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_04]: You know I don't

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Then this is our only ticket out of here

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Alien Romulus makes for the seventh film in the Alien franchise

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_03]: If you don't count the two Alien versus Predator films

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And we shall not

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Which I may have just lost my official Weyland-Yutani stockholder status

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_03]: By mentioning those

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So let's move on

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: As far as sequels, prequels, reheats, reboots and expanded universes go

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: How was your experience with this entry, Alan?

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And did you find it was suited for a big screen release?

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Or would you have sent it straight to online distribution like 2022's Prey?

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'll hit the second question first

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Because honestly I'm just going to kick this back over to you

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And get your opinion before I jump into mine

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to hear your opinion

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Your second question though, whether this should have been in theaters or a release online

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, this is a theater release

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I thought Prey should have been a theater release too

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would have gone to see Prey in the theater as well

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree, we reviewed it and we both kind of like missed opportunity

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So no, this deserved a place in the theater

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to leave it at that

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Before I turn it back over to you and say, Chris, I know how big a fan you are of the original

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're a fan of the Cameron, the aliens

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the only one that I remember being negative like right off the bat was Alien Covenant

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And I've since revisited it and I'm a little, I feel a little better about it

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But even Alien Resurrection, the

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_03]: See, when I saw it, I've only seen it once when I saw it in the theater

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I think I was okay with it

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd be interested, I haven't revisited it

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So I would be interested to revisit that one

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, given all that, there's a lot of history

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of history

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And Alien Romulus, you know, we do have a

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a similar setup

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: There is a derelict space station group of young space colonists

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Go to explore it, they're looking for a particular thing that they want to use to be able to try to

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: What is that? Are they trying to mix?

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to get in the siro

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: They want to use the escape pods, the cryo pods

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Cryo, that's it

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_03]: To go to a distant location where they're promised a better life

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, yeah

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're trying to get away from their current setup

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they were basically being forced labor in the mines

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Right

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Back on their home planet, so they're like, all right, we're going to get out of here

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: They go and they find that there are these cryo

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: How do I, why can I not pronounce it?

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Cryogenic

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Cryogenic

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Why can I not say that?

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: They find that there's these cryogenic pods that will allow them to space travel

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it was going to take like 60 years

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Right

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: To get to this other place

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're going to find these

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they happen to stumble into a ship that

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We may or may not have some familiarity with already

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So leaving it at that, Chris

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Tell me what you thought of Alien Romulus

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I really want to

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I know

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And I could play the game of going ahead and telling you what I think

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's not

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: If I'm wrong, then that's not really fun

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: That could set the wrong tone for the discussion

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I know, trust me, in the back of my mind

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I know what your opinion of this film is

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just anxious to hear you say it

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And I want to see if I'm right

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'll tell you

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I knew, so you'd mentioned in the setup

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_03]: There are, you know, in the intro of the show

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_03]: That I'd seen it Thursday night and I had

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And I felt one way walking out of the theater

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I've had some time to sit with it

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And I knew you were going to see it last night

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Right before we recorded this

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was tempted

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But life got in the way, work got in the way

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_03]: To actually sneak in the theater

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And go see it again

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Just to kind of double check

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Some of the things that I was thinking about

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And to surprise you and be like, hey

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But that didn't happen

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But if I saw Chris Fry walk into my theater last night

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Knowing you already seen it once

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be like, oh my gosh

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris really likes this movie

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Which wouldn't have necessarily been true

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Right

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So let me start off

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_03]: The big thing that come

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_03]: The take home that I got from this film

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Was David Johnson's performance

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: For me made this film worth watching alone

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: He plays a character Andy

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not going to spoil anything

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Because if you've watched the trailer

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: You kind of know that something's a little up with him

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's revealed in the first couple of minutes of the film

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they don't call him androids

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: They call them synthetics or whatever

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Synthetics, although with the name Andy

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, Andy Android

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So they play

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_03]: That's his role in this film

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And he is kind of a semi-brother

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_03]: To another main character

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Rain played by Kaylee Spaney

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Which we'll get to her in a second

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But just his performance

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Was for me so fascinating

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was the most interesting

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Character of the whole film for me

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And just kind of his arc

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't want to get into too much about that

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I feel like that's spoiling what was really enjoyable for me

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Because legacy wise

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: If you've seen any alien films

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: The moment you find out

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Which there again, I'm not spoiling anything

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_03]: You find out pretty early

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_03]: That he's a synthetic

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_03]: You're like, okay

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Because we've had synthetics in most of the films that I recall

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I think pretty much all of them

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember, like I said

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I've only seen Resurrection once

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember what the role was

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, in Resurrection

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Was it Ripley?

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: No, she wasn't an android

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: She was a clone

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_03]: She was a clone, yeah

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But there are other things about that film that I could be wrong

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But in general

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It has a lot of weight

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Synthetic and kind of like the whole plot thread

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So I found that

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And what they were able to do with that

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought his character was the most interesting

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought that thread of how that was used

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Was the most interesting thing about the film

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So I really, really, really, really like that

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I've alluded to Kayleigh Smaney

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: We saw her earlier this year in Civil War

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked that film I think more than most

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And I liked her in that film

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And I really liked her in Romulus too

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_03]: She's not given

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'll just

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, she is basically

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Ripley part two

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But that's fine because

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoy seeing

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Instead of a male dominated film

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoy seeing a strong female lead

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Who's like not just

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Help me, help me

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Not just playing the damsel in distress

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoy all that

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's more than even just a strong female lead

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a nuanced performance

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: In that

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You bring up the similarities of Sigourney Weaver

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And like it's all intentional

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: They're very much a mirror

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But what I always liked about Sigourney Weaver's

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Portray of Ripley in the first movie is

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: She's part of a team

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You see her dynamics within a team

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Then when it starts to get down to just kind of her

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You see both

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Her fear

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: In her

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Emotions

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But also countering that with strength and

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Intellect trying to figure out what to do

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Right

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And again, we got that with Kelly Spaney

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Here as well. I think it echoed much of the same

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Beats

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: For better or for worse, but her performance was great

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Also for me

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Gratifying like I said, David Johnson

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd only seen him in Rye Lane

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Which I recommended on the show

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a 2023 film

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a romantic comedy type thing

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Completely different type of role

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is my second film with him

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, whoa, this dude's range is kind of mind blowing

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_03]: To me, Kayleigh Spaney familiar with her

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I mentioned Civil War. I'd seen her in

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Priscilla, you know where she's playing

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Priscilla Presley

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_03]: But then to see her in this I'm like, okay

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's so good

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Got an interesting cool range doing

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Way different types of projects and stuff

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I'm just

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Excited about that

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So let's move in. Let's shift

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Into... You've rattled off a lot of

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Positives. I have. So we'll see where we're going with this

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Chris. So you're thinking like

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so let's get into

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_03]: The director, Fede Alvarez

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's one of three

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Co-writers on the film

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I had seen a previous work of his

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't Breathe which was kind of like a

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Reverse home invasion

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Thriller horror type film

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Suspense, I guess you would say

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But I thought it was well done. I can't remember if I recommended

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_03]: That one on the show or not

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But I thought it was well done

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Deep breath

[00:12:37] So

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_03]: On one hand

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_03]: The link to

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_03]: The other films that

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Were in this

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Cinematic universe and alien universe

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they referenced any of the Predator things

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_03]: To my knowledge, but maybe they did

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Going to spoil anything because

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_03]: One of the questions you alluded to like

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, with everything that's gone on

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_03]: How are these people going to get a hold of the aliens?

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_03]: What's the excuse?

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_03]: What's like eye rolling?

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_03]: In the opening minutes they show

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Remnants of the Nostromo

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Which was the spaceship that was in the very first alien movie

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Back in 1979

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And you're like okay

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And you see some things being recovered

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You're like not really sure what's going on there

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But you're like okay

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And the way that they tried to tie

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_03]: That in

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting and then the ways in which

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: They referenced with the second

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Film, Aliens, James Cameron's film

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_03]: There was a colony in there that had been

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_03]: In there so you alluded to

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Like where were these people

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Reign and Andy to begin with

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Not on the same colony planet but they are on

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_03]: A colony planet that has mining

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're being

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Technically indentured

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Servants I don't know if you could say slave or not

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_03]: But they're in a very miserable

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Situation, they want to get off by

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Getting these cryopods which cryopods

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Again something that has a very

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Storied history in this franchise

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like every film they malfunction or they do

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_03]: This, they do that you know

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So again kind of linking

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Them to the other films

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I joked in my intro too about

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: The Weyland-Yutani

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Stockholder thing you know that

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Corporation which they have played

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_03]: A role except for the first

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Well no I guess in the first film

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_03]: They were mentioned there as well but that

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Their kind of legacy has only

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Grown as these films have gone on

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I appreciated

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_03]: That as well

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And then ultimately

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_03]: You know you talked about

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Alien resurrection Ripley being a

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Clone there's a lot of lab work

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_03]: In that, there's some lab work

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_03]: In this that kind of tips hand at that

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And one of my favorite

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Films I'll probably be

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Thrown out by saying it but Prometheus

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_03]: There is a shaky

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Tenuous

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_03]: But I guess kind of maybe satisfying

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: In some way

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean if they're going to reference all the other ones

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And they do kind

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Of reference Prometheus

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I could have done without it but I was

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Like well okay so

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_03]: All that to say like

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's the thing with any film

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Like this we just discussed Wolverine

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And Deadpool as far

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_03]: As giving fan service or what's the

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You know paying tribute giving fan

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Service making references

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that it all

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Depends on how big a fan you are

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Of the franchise and how

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's done to whether or not you

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Can like tolerate

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is the seventh film

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm giving a lot of excuses and I

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Think overall I did like the film

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But you can

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_03]: There's the but coming the

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Thing that bothered me and this was kind

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Of towards the end when they really lean

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: To it it's like okay I can just kind of

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Smile and not my head yes I got that reference

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes I got that restore but

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_03]: The thing that was the bottom

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Two things that were the bottom of the barrel

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Was recycling

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Dialogue yes

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_03]: That is yes okay

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And do it do it once and that

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Can be kind of a clever thing if you're like oh

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay but no it was

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_03]: At least twice but maybe

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_03]: More than that maybe like it was only once

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That really oh both

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Caused me and I won't say what

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Both of those I know there were at least

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Two instances and I was just like okay

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_03]: That's not cool because

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_03]: There's no need to do it

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_03]: There's no need for it and you are at the runtime

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_03]: In the film we're talking this is the last

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Third probably well it breaks the film

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: At that point I mean to me because it's like

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You've already had all the references

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: To all the film this film is a

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: One gigantic reference to the entire

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien franchise I think almost alien

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Every alien movie is somehow

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Reference it is themes

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's cool I like that I thought that was great

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't mind that

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I like it when you can pull in some elements

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And bring in the lore bring in the

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_02]: What people know about it

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But there's absolutely no reason

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_02]: For the lines of dialogue

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_02]: To be recycled just to

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Get a rise out of the audience and just

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Wink wink it's lazy and

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It broke for me the one

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Character that I'm thinking of specifically that said

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: The most obvious one

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: A character you mentioned the beginning how much you like

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like oh my gosh that just

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Does that actually

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of destroyed a little bit of that

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: That whole set up and

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Character for me so

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_03]: For me there were two lines that did that but yeah

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_03]: It was better I think

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: The paying tribute

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And the fans are to me up until

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That point well with the exception of one thing

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll get to still which is my biggest no no

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It had been done

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I felt kind of artfully

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And cleverly yeah

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But the like you're saying

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Just repeating the dialogue

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just eye rolling and like you didn't

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_03]: If they could have left that out I would have been like

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay yeah it's referential but it was done an artful way

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I can accept it but that was just so low brow

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Well and it made no sense

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: There's no reason why that individual would have said

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_02]: That line in a way he did

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Given what we know about

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That character up to that point so

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Everything else was referential you're

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Re-examining the world

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Of these other movies right

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like when you walk into a room and you're like

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh wow I remembered this

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_02]: This was the setup from here right

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's cool that is a good way

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: To handle a callback that is the way

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: To do it is reintroduce people to the worlds

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Of the environments they remember

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But you don't have to hit them over the head be like oh

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Look do you remember this is the

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_03]: This is the same way we had this movie yeah

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Right so okay

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_03]: All that to say like I say I still like

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: This movie but the other thing

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_03]: This is what I wanted to actually revisit the film

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_03]: What I'm about to talk about now and I'm not

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Going to avoid spoilers because for me it was

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_03]: A big like oh

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to try to avoid spoilers

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But I will say we have

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Talked about this I think

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Rogue one was the first instance

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Where this was done

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Where they used an actor

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Who had passed away

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And they used his face on top

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Of somebody else's face to bring back

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_03]: To have a character and people

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Be like oh and you know and it was

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Just really distracting and I think after that Princess

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Leia was then used in some other maybe

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_03]: She was used in the same one it was both her

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And somebody else anyways

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's been done so it's not like I haven't

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Seen this done before

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think in both instances

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd heard some rumbles that this was going to happen

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I understand

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_03]: The plot

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Point I guess

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Of having this CGI recreation

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Be there

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But I just think kind of like the

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Dialogue

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just not cool

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they needed to find another

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Way

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_03]: They had something which is not the

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Hold into an actor which is the whole

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Idea of this system on board

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: All these various ships that it's probably

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Run by Weyland Yutani the corporation

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: This mother

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Instance kind of in a way

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Referential to kind of like

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_03]: How from 2001

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think they could have easily let

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Mother do some dirty work

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Or some text like it could have

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Been done in a more artful way to

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of communicate like okay

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Something's about to go wrong

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But instead and even the way

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It was shot

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of had a sinking feeling in my stomach because

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_03]: They were keeping the face

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Of this person I was like okay

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And then it was there and I'm like

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_02]: As soon as I saw

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: This body

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like oh I know what they're doing

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I know exactly and that's how

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: They're tying this all in

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Now here's the thing Chris

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think why it was there

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like we're just going to throw them in here

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't just fanservice

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: There was a need to have a shift

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And I get all that

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I was okay with that concept

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: For the first

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Few minutes

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And then if they would have left it at that

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that he

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Because there is a

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: There's something that they got

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: From that character

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That was going to have an effect on another

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Character I'm like that's all I needed

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Right right right

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: You stop it right there

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I think when this character is then later

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Showing up on TV screens

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And being all like a menacing villain

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like alright you've lost me at that

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: That was a lazy

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just a ridiculous

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Use of a character that

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't need to be there

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_03]: There again I think if it wasn't

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_03]: A CGI representation of this person

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And if it was actually

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_03]: The person because they were still alive

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I would have been a little bit better with it

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Because at least I think they get a little bit of

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Fun of reprising a role or something

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But when it's just that I just

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know I just feel kind of

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Ick about it

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It was

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: A little jarring and I felt like it

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Overstated its welcome and just

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah kind of water

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Deluded a lot of the film

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: After that for me

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So it sounds like Chris I'm trying to get you to

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to get you to

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: A fulcrum point here

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You enjoyed

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The film but you

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Had some major misgivings

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I did and I you know if I had

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Thrown Alien Covenant under the bus

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And kind of talking about things

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked it I like it right off the bat

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Better than I liked that film

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So in a way I feel

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Like Prometheus

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's the newest film

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I've only seen it maybe 300

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Times as opposed to the thousands of times

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That I've seen Alien

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's like my favorite

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Just because I like how it plays with the mythology

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_03]: So and that's why I was disappointed

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_03]: In Alien Covenant because I had expectations

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That didn't live up. They backed away from that

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like this film is

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Closer to what

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I want an Alien film to do

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It still plays with a little bit of history

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And a little bit of does have the fan

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Service of the winking but it doesn't

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_03]: To some extent you know it's still

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Ingeniously done you feel like you're learning a little

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Bit more

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: But the two things

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: That I've mentioned the dialogue

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the return of the CGI kit that

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_03]: That bothered me but so it kept me from being

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Just like over the moon totally excited

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_03]: If you are a fan

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Of the Alien

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_03]: World and the franchise then yeah

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_03]: You should go to see this. You should definitely see it in the big

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Theater because all the

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Sound and everything is very immersive

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I got to see it in a Dolby theater so that

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Was awesome

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like it's a worthy

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Entry but you know

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It would I wonder

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_03]: If they're now going to go this

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Route and Ridley Scott's like no I'm just going to make

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Gladiator sequels from here on out until I

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Stop making films

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope that

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_03]: If they were to go forward with the franchise from

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Here that they could somehow kind of

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Say like okay we've kind of

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Restarted it yet again

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But we're not going to keep relying so

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Much on you know I hope they don't make

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_03]: The next movie all dialogue from a

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Former film right

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So where are you? What's your

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Ultimate like if I guess

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm debating between a

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_03]: A three and a three and a half star maybe

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_03]: If you go from one to five so

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So where are you? I'm

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of at the same star rating

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably at three

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I had a fine time with this

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I think

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It's

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I listed out everything I really liked about the

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Film but also the things I didn't like

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like for the most part

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_03]: The things you didn't like you and I

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Locked up. Yeah pretty much I mean the use

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Of the one character the CGI

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Deepfake character yeah that

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Was I thought overused and not

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: As effective as it could have been if it just

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Was kept short brief and all

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That and yeah the

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Callback dialogue stuff was eye rolling

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly grunted and just

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Made a

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Gutteral noise I think when that happened in theater

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if people next to me knew

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_02]: What I was talking about

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I liked

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It was having me at the beginning

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I mean the production design

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: The look and the feel of the film was just great

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And it really echoed back to that

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_02]: First Alien film and I mean I knew that's where

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_02]: They were leaning heavy and we

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Want that same look and feel

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But what made the original Alien

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So special

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Was not

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't have any bombast

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't all about

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: The noises and the jump

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Scares and the dread it's about

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_02]: The dread and

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: When this film wanted to play with dread

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It was pretty good but

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It lost interest in dread pretty

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Early on it's just like no we just

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Want loud

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Jump scare of

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Quick action stuff

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And that just kind of

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It kind of watered down the film for me to where

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It just became very pedestrian

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Very much a standard

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Nowadays action movie

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_02]: With CGI creatures

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That you're fighting

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So it kind of lost me towards

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It got closer to the end there's a whole

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The setups

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Themself were really interesting

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the scenes the setups for scenes

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just one and I got it found myself

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Getting excited like oh this looks cool

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh this looks like it would be fun and then it's like

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: What I expected it was kind of it was kind of just

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It was just kind of there

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it tried to compensate so much with

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Noise more than it did substance

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: In a lot of those action scenes

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Or a lot of those thrilling moments

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So it was a little bit of a mix back for me

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I did ultimately enjoy it

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I just was a little let down

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_02]: That I felt like they just went too safe

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And too by the numbers

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Too many times

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And again where I actually did watch the original alien

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_02]: The morning before I saw this

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay I've watched it recently

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Or like the day before

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_03]: My first time

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And just reminding me how much

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: They played with the fact that I mean

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't see a lot

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_02]: For a long time or very much at all

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And yet it still built up this

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Huge enormous sense of dread

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And this movie just didn't really seem

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Too interested in that at all

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_02]: There are a couple scenes where

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It was almost like they ripped off the original one

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Almost identically like

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Certain things in the background

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Certain things happen but once that scene happens

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Like oh yeah we did that shot

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Check that box now let's just go bonkers

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_02]: In nuts and big action

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_02]: There is a third

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Third and a half act

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_02]: To this film that I had heard

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody tell me got a little off the rails

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Was this the Prometheus reference

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was okay with it

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I liked it

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean yeah it was a little

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a little gonzo but

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I liked it, it was not expected

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I think maybe length of that too

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_03]: If it had been like

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It was kept relatively short

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_02]: We are at the hour or 40 minute

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Mark of the film and I am like okay I know we are getting

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Close to the end

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But I know there is something else going to happen

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think there was a

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty easy call up when you see one character

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Taking a certain device

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And deciding she is going to use it

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like okay well obviously this is going to lead to

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Something bad

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that was interesting

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah I thought

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Overall I am good with the movie

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I did have the same problems you did with those two elements

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Of it

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I wish the film had been a little bit more

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's own

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Then relying so much on

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Just trying to mimic

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It tried to make a perfect blend of alien and

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Aliens, it's like okay no that's what we want to do

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Which are the two I think probably

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_03]: The two most successful films

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: They are the two biggest two best regarded

[00:28:56] Movies

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's noble effort but it's like

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It just seemed like okay now we are going to show you the gun

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You are going to use oh yeah by the way this is

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_02]: The same gun that we use in Aliens

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And let me show you how to work it just like

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_03]: A character showed Rippley

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just I wish the movie

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Could have stood on its own I think it had chances

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_02]: To do that and it chose not to

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Alvarez

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_02]: He is a good director he obviously

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Is better at the horror side

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Of things

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And when this movie did lean into

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Those horror trappings which it did

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's probably the more

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Quote horror influenced

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Version of the franchise

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I know of course the original Alien was a

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Quote science fiction

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Horror movie, this one leans

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Into the no it's horror

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like heart in there are

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Jump scares there are

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: You know violence there is

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You know

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Aliens is just an action movie

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Aliens is all action

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien is sci-fi horror

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_02]: This one

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even feel like really went as deep into the sci-fi

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It just kind of echoed everything else

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like no we are going to make a more horror based

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Version of this film

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So alright that will have to say

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I had a good time with it

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was fine

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I wish it wasn't as loud and bombastic

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And over the top as it felt like it had to be

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: In a lot of the bigger scenes and

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Sequences but I did like the characters

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Quite a bit you already mentioned Callie Spaney

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I really liked her I liked David

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Johnson as well I mean really all

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The cast was good I thought you know

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: They did their

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Roles I mean you knew who was going to be

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You knew who was expendable pretty early

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: On and you knew who wasn't but there were a couple

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Surprises they threw at me which I was

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly surprised by

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I you know in looking at

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_02]: In terms of the other films

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I was not as high on Prometheus as you

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Were I think that's gone on record we've

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Talked about that I admired the film

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But you got a higher

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Level of something from it than I did

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Right I liked Covenant

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_02]: A little better than you did just because

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I did like the fact that it was

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Leaning back into the alien

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: World a bit more that I was comfortable

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_02]: With

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is kind of still bouncing

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Around in there I don't feel like it's a drop

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_02]: In overall enjoyment for me from those other

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Previous two films as much

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's still nowhere near like you know the original

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Two I mean it's just

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not there but

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So be it sure

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and for

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Me it

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it's

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Somewhere floating I'll have to

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to because they're

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_02]: All different directors are all different

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Styles there's a whole

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: First four films

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And then these last three films

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a whole it's hard to

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Judge them against each other the number one thing like

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I go back to Andy

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_03]: You know David Johnson's performance

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_03]: After Michael

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Fassbender doing David in Prometheus

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And Alien Covenant I was like

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And even though I didn't like Covenant

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_03]: His still performance and I was like okay

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what can they do

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And you saw Andy

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And you're like oh okay here we go

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to comment somehow on

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Synthetics whatever and you're just like yeah whatever

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But they still manage to make

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_03]: It interesting and I think like I said that's what

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Pushed this to be

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_03]: A decent entry

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Into the franchise is the fact what they were able to

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Deal with that so so I've got

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_02]: A pitch for a film I think they should

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Take all three

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Of the androids that we

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Know from the Alien franchise

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_03]: They're actually technically

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Four but okay who am I missing

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Bishop oh right Bishop

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah Bishop Bishop was an

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien so Ash Bishop

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_02]: David and now Andy

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And they that should be a movie

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Now granted I think

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I know Ian Holm is passed away

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Right I don't know about the one who plays

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Bishop is he I think Lance Hendrickson

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Is still still

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously as you saw I mean they

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: They like to play with

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_02]: De-aging and deep faking and all that

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It could be done but how interesting would that

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Be because I do think the androids have been the

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Most fascinating part for me of any of these

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Movies David was definitely

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_02]: The most interesting part for me of Prometheus

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And even Covenant

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah I would be I would be

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I would be into an idea like that

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Something about the androids I think

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_03]: For synthetics try to keep it simple

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Andy

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Versus David would be amazing

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_02]: At any point did you ever

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of either hope or think

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That it like oh like this film has gone all in

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_02]: On call out and references

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you ever want to see David

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Like just somehow appear

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Show up

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And actually I thought which I guess

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Whether or not

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Fassbender said no

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I was kind of surprised I actually thought

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_03]: We would get something

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Somehow of Sigourney

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Weaver as well and they're

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Not that I could tell there was any of that but yeah

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of surprised

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah they didn't go that heavy with the

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Call which is good David I was kind of

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Expecting just because the android

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_02]: World did have a little more prominence

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: In this film than I was expecting it to

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I did not know the synthetics were going to play

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Quite the role they did here

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I kept thinking okay

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: This would be a perfect time for a

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_02]: David appearance

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I got to respect the film not going that

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Deep into as many cameos

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And all that

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It was still pretty gratuitous what it did

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But true

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay well that is Alien Romulus

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like we're both positive on it

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_02]: With some major misgivings

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And some missed opportunities or things

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That were not handled as well as they

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Should have been

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I will say just for people always that are

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Listening that haven't seen the movie and are curious

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: About it, it is I'd say

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_02]: From a violent standpoint

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel like it's a little probably

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: One of the most violent entries

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it is

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and body horror

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_03]: That's where that horror leaning is really leaning in

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a couple scenes that are very

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Tough to watch and very

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Challenging from that end

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll say just one final

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Thing too that I thought was kind of original

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess maybe

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Not that the other films don't have these guys

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But if you reference the face huggers

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody knows what I'm talking about little crap things

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought this gave a little bit more

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Screen time to them

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_03]: That I appreciate, I was like okay they kind of get their own

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Little

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_03]: They get to be more of us because usually it's all about

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay give me the big xenomorph that everybody

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Knows with the two mouths that extend

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Quickly go ahead and get on somebody's face so you can

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Make the xenomorph feel

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But they gave them a little bit more like there was a whole sequence

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That I thought was pretty fun

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And I liked and

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of echoing the

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds a little bit

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: See like that

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That was a fun scene so that's the thing

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It had some moments where I was like that was

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Good, there's a

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Bit with zero gravity

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say yes that I thought

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay that's pretty cool

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That was completely okay you can

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Say how like your reference in kind of the birds

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Sequence with the face huggers you could say that

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Semi references

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_03]: RIPLY walking among all the pods

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But the zero gravity

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Sequence to my mind and what was going on

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_03]: With that, that was

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Unique to this film

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And the whole use of the acid blood

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And just kind of knowing the dangers

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Of that which is a little more prominent

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It definitely took some interesting ideas

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And had fun with them

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Made some interesting set pieces and

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Scenes out of it but

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But at the end of the day it still ultimately

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Just relied on to me

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Now we got to make this a

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Action shoot em up

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And horror version of Aliens

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to make every call out

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Reference that we need to make to make sure people remember

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: We're in an Aliens movie

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, alright

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay Alien Romulus

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Doing pretty good I think

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Box office wise so I think that

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Bodes well for future there is

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Supposedly another one already in the works

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh really? Alien

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Colon Earth

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm hearing

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And do we know if Alvarez

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Is attached to that?

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Well let me hold on

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to call out our producers

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_02]: All of our bank of engineers

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: That are in the other room that are helping

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Produce this show and let me have

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Them look up and they can tell me here in a minute

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_02]: If he's the one

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Doing it or not because

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's the thing if that's the case

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_03]: If it is Alien colon Earth

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the title there

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_03]: That makes me wonder if they're going to pick up where

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Resurrection left off

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_03]: That was the whole thing that they

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Were coming back to Earth

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien Earth is actually the television series

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh but it is in the

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Franchise

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh it's Alien franchise

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It serves as a prequel

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And will be set three decades before

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_02]: The events of the 1979 film

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah it's definitely going to be in the Prometheus world

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Or in that timeline

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So not following up on Resurrection

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting Alien Earth

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and it's written and directed by

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Noah Hawley

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Who I'm trying to remember who that is

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_02]: He's worked on the

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_02]: TV series Fargo and Legion

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So that is supposed to be a TV show

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what I'm hearing is the next

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Thing in the kind of the

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien franchise

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Mixed feelings about that but will I watch it?

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Probably

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So that is Alien

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Romulus in theaters now

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That was our review

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris let's take a quick break

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll come back got news got a trailer

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[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Well welcome back to

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Foot Candle Films here on the Mesh.TV

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Podcast network we had our

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Discussion and review of the film

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien Romulus in the first half of the show

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris and I both coming out

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Fairly fairly positive I mean fairly good

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_03]: On it I mean fanboy and me just can't

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Help but yeah appreciate it

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I ought to tell you so I only like

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Sharing because

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_02]: My son

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's a film student

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Had gone to see the film I think

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Thursday night also like I think the same

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Night you did but in a different city

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And he

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And I are letterboxed connected

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Together so I see his star ratings

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And I try really hard not to see anybody's

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Ratings before I see the film themself

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure myself but

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes when you go the letterbox

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Landing page like home page just to go

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Check things out you can't help

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_02]: See star ratings for new films and like oh

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Man I wish I hadn't seen that

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So I saw his rating and it was it was a two and a half

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay my understanding

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Is he was not a big fan of

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The deep fake

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Character yeah actually he was

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of offended by that I he said

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_02]: He and his sweet mates who had all gone to see the movie

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Together were so bothered

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_02]: By that they had to go home that night

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And watch the original again just to kind

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Of get it out of their system

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So there was that so it was kind of

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Fun to see that to see

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_02]: That yes he definitely had a lower

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Negative response that I did I am finding

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Some people online are having

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_02]: More negative responses

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Than I expected to film

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay so I think there's

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Some that are kind of where you and I

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Are three stars maybe three and

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Half depending on where you end up so

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway alien

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright let's go on to some

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_02]: News I got one news

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Item and then I got a trailer to share of

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_02]: A film I was just made aware of I'm curious

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_03]: About is this more than just

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Music like the Soderbergh trailer was

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope so I don't know I haven't seen

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_02]: The trailer it could be man Soderbergh

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Trailer last week was really

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_03]: A trailer no it's like a teaser

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Trailer but it was just I mean freaky

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Music and names on a screen

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of like just a really high end powerpoint

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_02]: For like you know

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris you brought up a story I

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Think it was you that brought this up maybe it was

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Me no

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It was me okay I brought the story

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Up and because you made the joke about

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_02]: The James Addiction song okay oh yeah

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Darren Aronofsky

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes shooting a gritty

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_02]: New York City crime thriller

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Called quote cult stealing

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay and I said I wanted the James Addiction song

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_02]: To be used there you go Austin

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Butler and Zoe Kravitz are going to be that

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So he is filming

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That this this month or

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Next month so September is being filmed right

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Now it's being produced by Sony it's going to be released

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_02]: In 2025 okay

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: However I want to talk about another news item

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_02]: With Mr. Aronofsky that I thought

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Sounded really really interesting

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is coming from

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: A place

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I do tend to find some decent

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_02]: News World of Real

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the name of the website

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah a couple places I mentioned this too

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: There's another site

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's mention this

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me get to it

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_02]: There are supposedly talks

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_02]: If you believe the intel that I'm reading

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Here there are supposedly talks that Darren Aronofsky

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Is going to make Noah

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_03]: To with Russell

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Crowe no but this

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: One might be even more interesting than that

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay the

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: DC

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Universe whoa

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Just

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Just right there Aronofsky

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Having anything to do with a comic book movie

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright so James Gunn is obviously

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Now the architect of the

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_02]: DC Comics Universe the movies

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_02]: His first big movie

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Superman one is supposed to be coming out next year

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Supposedly there are other movies lined up

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That are going to be in this DC Universe

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That James Gunn is now overseeing

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Aronofsky has

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Supposedly talked with James Gunn

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_02]: About hopping on board a superhero

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Project

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And the name of the project

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Is Plastic Man

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So Plastic Man

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Plastic Man is a DC Comics

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Character

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I just remember from the Saturday morning cartoon

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I've never read the comic but I remember watching it

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah yeah yeah

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_02]: He can stretch his body in all different ways

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And he wears sunglasses

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He's kind of a comic character

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of a funny character

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He can stretch his body and turn into different

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Sizes and objects and all that stuff

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Often gets end up tying in knots

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah yeah a lot of knots

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He's you know in the comics he's been

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of a comic relief character a lot of times

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: With his series and all

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a listing on

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Production Weekly

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Aronofsky listed as Director

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Of Plastic Man which is still in

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Development

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So no actors tied to it

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_02]: No and nobody has come out and officially said

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That yes he's doing this

[00:44:13] But

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah because I can't imagine

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Him doing something

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_03]: A comic movie but even so if he did it

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_03]: That wouldn't be grounded in theory

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Gritty like I mean we're talking

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_03]: This is the guy who did the wrestler

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And the whale you know so

[00:44:32] Like

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah just very

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Bizarre like would he take

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It and have kind of a more

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Dark take on Plastic

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Man okay like you know

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Well supposedly James Gunn many years ago

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Pitched a Plastic Man movie to Warner

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Brothers interesting with Matthew

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Lillard in the title role

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow okay

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay it says that the studio rejected

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That pitch but it sounds like Gunn may

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Now be revisiting this whole project

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And that it wouldn't even need a green light

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Since he's the current boss of the ECU so

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway this is all rumors

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah Matthew

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Lillard doing Plastic Man

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I could actually see that because he did like

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Drop Dead Fred I think he was

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a throwback a little bit

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if he dropped dead Fred yeah yeah

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_03]: No no I think another guy was

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: No no

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Drop Dead Fred was like the imaginary friend

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Movie right right that was the guy from

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Australia oh okay I'm like that

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh one of the no no

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_02]: He was from England he was one of

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_02]: The young ones

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay yeah so not but

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Lillard did Shaggy

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_03]: He did Shaggy in the Scooby Doo movies

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But taking the kind of

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Comic approach or zaniness

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Of Drop Dead Fred it's like different

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know I can see

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Matthew Lillard working

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Suppose that was a pitch years

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Ago didn't happen but

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know I'm

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Very curious if this comes to

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Be Darren Aronofsky we drop

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Names sometimes on the show Chris we don't always get background

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Of people they may not be

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Aware who we're talking about this is a

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Pie was one of his first

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Films that kind of got him on the map

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Requiem for a Dream Black Swan

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The wrestler you mentioned the

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Whale he did you know

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Noah Noah which was

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of had a lot of sci-fi elements

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of big big CGI

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Spectacle elements to it and both of those

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's some grounds

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: For it anyway

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I just thought that sounded interesting

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We hadn't had a really

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Comic booky news item

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_02]: In a while so I bring that up as a

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Potential I'm very very

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Curious about that

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah me too okay

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sad we don't have a trailer

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_02]: We're way far off from anything

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_02]: With that but we'll see what happens

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright let's move on to a

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Very different type of film and news

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is actually one that

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: The film is done

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And will be available

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Soon

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have an exact release

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Date on this

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh August 23rd

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That'd be in three days Chris

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_03]: That's not typically

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Not a good sign

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Well but this is an

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Apple TV plus movie

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I think okay

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_03]: We just reviewed instigators

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And that kind of dropped out of my ears

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_02]: No no I'm sorry it's not an Apple TV

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It is a Sony Pictures classic my bad

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah that's not a great sign

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is a small

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Very very small independent film so it may be

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay sure

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Jason Schwartzman

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay it's hitting theaters this weekend

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Between the temples

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I've just heard the title and I've

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Heard the premise briefly

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But comedy right?

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so it's

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Jason Schwartzman, Carol Cain

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And Robert Smeagol

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah you would think

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Drama, comedy maybe some drama

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_02]: In it. We're going to watch the trailer so we'll see

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_02]: The tagline for the

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Film is a cantor

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_02]: In a crisis of faith finds his world

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Turned upside down when his grade school

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Music teacher reenters his life

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_02]: As his new adult bar mitzvah

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Student

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So right away kind of interesting premise

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It's directed by Nathan Silver

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Not familiar with anything else he's done

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I tried looking him up he's done a lot of

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of smaller independent films

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_02]: His films are Thirst Street

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_02]: The Great Pretender

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And the television series Cutting My Mother

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I'm not familiar with any of those

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Me neither

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a film he has directed

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_02]: My mistake, the trailer's on Apple TV

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But no it's not an Apple TV

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Film, it'll be Sony Pictures

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Classic going to theaters

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you say we watch the trailer

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Between the temples

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Here we go

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Let us start with the Kabbalat

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Shabbat service led

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_05]: By our very own Cantor Ben

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Ya deeet

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Meh

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_04]: You should probably fire me

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I would fire me

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_04]: We're not going to do that then

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Because my moms are both big donors of the temple

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_04]: That is not a small consideration

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_04]: What are you looking at?

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing, calling me nothing

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Are you okay?

[00:49:32] Mrs. Oaks

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, so that is the trailer for

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I already forgot the name

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Between the temples

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Chris

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Thoughts? Interesting

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_03]: It looks like the type

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Of small film that Schwarzman

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Would be involved with

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Was that film

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Listen Up Phillip and I can't remember the director

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_03]: That was in that but it was an

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Independent film that kind of had this

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Guy who was not likeable

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And Schwarzman played him

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_03]: He was kind of a failed writer

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Very similar

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Type film to me

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But I am interested in seeing

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Carol Kane because I haven't

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Liked her as an actress

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_03]: There is promise there

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess the one thing that worried

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Two things, A it's coming out

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_03]: This weekend and this is the first time I've heard of it

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Other than being briefly aware there was a movie

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But I didn't know what it was

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And two, I'm afraid the

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Trailer may have shown too much

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know they are trying to get

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_03]: You interested because it's their last chance

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_03]: To get you in the theater but I'm interested

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd like to give it a shot

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Because especially if it is the type of small film

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That otherwise is going to go unnoticed

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it is kind of being dumped here at the end of the summer

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Who knows?

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Between the temples

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Between the temples

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And what I am curious about right now

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I am doing a little experiment here while we are sitting here Chris

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I am curious

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_02]: If it is being released this weekend

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And we are here at the end of the summer

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So it means there are still summer movies

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_02]: In the theater but I think

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien Romulus was probably like the last

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Big movie before we get to

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Prestige season

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So my question is if I look

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_02]: At the show times for our theater this Friday

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Will that film show up?

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it will

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And the answer is

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm scrolling, I'm scrolling, I'm scrolling

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And it will

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Between the temples is playing and Hickory

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Will kill on it

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So a little tease, we may be reviewing this next week

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah because really looking at films coming up

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_02]: We can just kind of go ahead and do this

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_02]: While we are doing a little production

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_02]: A little production meeting here

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_02]: We did not review

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It ends with us which is kind of the

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Bigger hit movie right now too

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd like to take a pass on that

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_02]: We also took a pass on Borderlands

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I was fine with passing on that one

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_02]: We never saw Despicable Me 4

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you? I did not

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you go out and see Despicable Me 4 and not tell me?

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I did not, I did see Inside Out 2

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But I did not see Despicable Me 4

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien Romulus we've already talked about

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Deadpool, Wolverine, we have talked about

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Twisters, we have talked about

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Trap, we have talked about

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Inside Out 2 you talked about or saw

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And then there are movies I have no idea

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard of them

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_03]: There's some horror movies that are kind of being dumped

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Stream I think is one of them which

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, oh you know there is one coming out that

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious about

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the Blink Twice

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The Zoe Kravitz film

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_03]: With what's his face? Gambit

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_03]: That's how I am going to refer to him from now on

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That is his name now so what's his face

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Gambit guy

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_02]: What is his name?

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I can see his face

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_03]: He was the surprise in Wolverine Deadpool

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_03]: What is his name? I don't know

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Now that's all I can think of

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Hold on, no I'm the guy I look it up and see

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Channing Tatum

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_02]: We are getting sold

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I know, but it's funny just to call him Gambit

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that was the role he didn't get

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So Blink Twice is coming out this weekend

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious about that

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Strange Darling

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Is also a film I am very curious about

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know anything about that one

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Willa Fitzgerald

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Stars in it

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It's about Doctor Strange's daughter

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_02]: A twisted one night stand spirals into a serial killer's

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_02]: A vicious murder spree

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen the trailer

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It looks really interesting

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Giovanni

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Ribisi

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the director of photography

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_02]: For the film. He's a producer on it

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And also the cinematographer

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not aware that skill was in his tool belt

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You ought to check out the trailer

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It looks interesting

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Since we are doing an on air production meeting

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Alan Jackson

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Is going to make the call

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Of what we are going to review next week

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fine. We got a couple of choices

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_02]: We have Blink Twice, Strange Darling

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Between the temples

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That seems to be the three

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_02]: All three are playing at our local multiplex this weekend

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to make Alan Jackson make the call

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, one I will not be

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Opting for us to do because it just

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Does not look good

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the new Crow

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_03]: That is a new release

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But I, yeah

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't look good

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I have to hear other people I trust

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Come back and tell me it's actually good

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_02]: For me to consider

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_02]: At this point, everything I've seen and heard

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And felt about it doesn't feel good

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So those are all the new releases coming out this weekend

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Of the three

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Blink Twice, Strange Darling, In Between the temples

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_02]: One of those three

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Will be the ones we discuss next week

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay Chris

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Meeting done. Meeting adjourned

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go right into the last thing

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_02]: We've got today which is your

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Recommendation

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris watches movies

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_02]: We all watch movies but Chris gets to watch movies

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Normally has very good taste in picking movies

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_02]: To watch and then

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say you bet a pretty high average on the ones

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You pick to watch you are

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You like or you would really want to recommend

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You have good discerning taste

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You have seen a film recently

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That you'd like to share with us and recommend

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So what would that be?

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Usually I try to also vary up

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_03]: The services that I recommend because I don't want to seem like

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_03]: We are not in the pocket

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Of any corporate streaming

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Service like Hulu or Netflix you know

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_03]: If anyone wants to sponsor the show come on

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But we're not

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Last time, last episode I did

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Recommend something that was streaming on Netflix

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Film today that I'm going to recommend

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Daughters it's a 2024 release

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Just recently released on Netflix

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's two in a row that I'm doing on Netflix

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know hey can't help it

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw it just recently

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And I liked it I'll read you a little

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Bit of a description what it's about

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a documentary for young

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Girls prepare for a special

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Daddy daughter dance with their

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Incarcerated fathers as part of a unique

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Fatherhood program

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_03]: In a Washington DC jail

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Reminded me a little bit of the black and white

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Film from two or three years ago

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Time which was a documentary that

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Was also good I think it may have been

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually nominated for an Oscar maybe

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But this one is directed by

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Two from what I can tell first time

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Directors Angela Patton

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And Natalie Ray

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Got some awards at Sundance

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I think that's where Netflix

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Snatched it up from and

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_03]: They've now released it and I think it's only been out

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_03]: For a week or so

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I really really enjoyed it

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Although

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_03]: You can say oh it's kind of familiar

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Incarcerated father and you kind of see

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_03]: From the description or hear from the description

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It kind of obviously sets

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Up this tension of okay

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_03]: These fathers who have been incarcerated

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Are going to get to see their daughters got it

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of know yes there

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Were some Kleenexes involved

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Tears involved but

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_03]: The patience with which they set

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Things up and

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like the final moments of the film

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Are that dance and like maybe

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the immediate aftermath five minutes and then cut

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But nope you get

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You get more than that

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just really I think

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_03]: If I remember correctly

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Reading somewhere

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It took eight years to make this

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_03]: They took that time

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a lot of time

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Invested in the telling of this film

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like it shows

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Also

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I will say maybe it drops off a little bit

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_03]: When we get to the dance

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe as far as

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Cinematography but the early

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Going let's say like the first

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_03]: 20 30 minutes of this film

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's got some really

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Great moving

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Imagery cinematography just beautiful

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes it's

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Nature just different things that are just very

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Very cool

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And very well done that you would expect to see

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_03]: More than like a narrative film

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Than you would

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Documentary so

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of talent going on there

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I recommend daughters

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like I said it's 2024 release

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It's on Netflix so

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Check it out

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright that is daughters on

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Netflix this is recommendation

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Of a film to check out

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Excellent thank you very much

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That will do it for today

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So our review of Alien Romulus

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Our discussion of Between the

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Temples upcoming film

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Discussion of Aronofsky

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Doing plastic man

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows maybe one we have to retract

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Later I'm feeling

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_02]: More and more that maybe some fanboy

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Has just come up with that idea and threw it out there

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And tried to get buzz out of it

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what it's fun just to think about

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Whether or not it comes to fruition that's

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Fun to think about and then Chris's

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Recommendation so lots to cover

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Today lots that have been done

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris if anybody has any feedback

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_02]: For us wants to challenge us on

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Anything we said maybe they want

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_02]: To defend the use of a certain character

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_02]: In Alien Romulus

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_02]: To the extent that he was used

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure bring it on how can they do

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[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_03]: We have almost made

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It all the way through this episode

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Without mentioning

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_03]: The twenty twenty four foot candle film

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[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Well that will wrap us up for today thanks

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