Alien: Romulus

[00:00:02] [SPEAKER_01]: What you want, when you want it, where you want it. This is The MESH [00:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: What you want, when you want it, where you want it. This is The MESH [00:00:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Footcandle Films [00:00:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Film news and reviews from two guys who really like movies [00:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: This episode is brought to you by the Footcandle Film Society [00:00:29] [SPEAKER_01]: For a schedule of upcoming screenings and membership information [00:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Visit the society's website at www.footcandle.org [00:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello everyone and welcome to Footcandle Films here on The MESH.tv podcast network [00:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: My name is Alan Jackson, with me is Chris Fry [00:00:52] [SPEAKER_02]: We are both with the Footcandle Film Society and the annual Footcandle Film Festival [00:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris, how are you doing? [00:00:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing well, I'm looking forward to hearing your opinions about the film we're reviewing today [00:01:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a big summer release [00:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Late summer [00:01:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Late summer [00:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Late summer, big release, part of a franchise that... [00:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: There's some history there, especially a little bit more I'm looking over on your side of the table [00:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you are... We're talking about Alien, I know we kind of drew out the tease there [00:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But talking about the new Alien movie, we're going to get into their review of that in just a minute [00:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I think since the start of the show in 2011 [00:01:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I think we have reviewed every Alien film that's been put out [00:01:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of our duty at this point to review this film [00:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's expected of us [00:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: By our legions of fans, yes [00:01:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Our legions of fans have clamored for this [00:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We have reviewed every Alien film in the franchise [00:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It has come out since we started the show, which has only been... [00:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, let's be honest [00:01:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's only been three of them? [00:02:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this would be the third [00:02:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Third one that's come out since we started [00:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Prometheus, we had Covenant, and then this one [00:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Covenant, that's the one I keep forgetting the name of [00:02:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the names of these kind of do bounce around, so it's fair [00:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's Alien colon something in most cases [00:02:13] [SPEAKER_03]: In most cases, yes [00:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So we are going to talk about the latest Alien colon Romulus [00:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: That is the newest one from director Fede Averes [00:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be discussing that in just a moment and giving our thoughts [00:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I know Chris is a big fan of the original Ridley Scott Alien [00:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a fan of it as well, but Chris is a superfan [00:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris is going out on Thursday night [00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The night, technically before even opening night [00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Of the film to go see this film [00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: This is true [00:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So I know you're going to introduce the film in a minute, Chris [00:02:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But I just be warned [00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to immediately turn it back to you [00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I am more curious about your take [00:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think I know it [00:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay [00:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I know your take on this film [00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to see if I predict it right [00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: After we do our review of Alien Romulus [00:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I've got a news item and a trailer of a new film [00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I just was made aware of that one to share with Chris [00:03:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And with the audience, and we can talk about it [00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So we got a little bit of news to cover [00:03:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Chris, I believe you have a recommendation of a film for us as well [00:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: By the end of the episode [00:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll cap off the episode with that patented special Chris Fry recommendation [00:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So all that to say, Chris, are you ready to jump into [00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Back into the world of Alien and talk about this latest film? [00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it [00:03:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Alright [00:03:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Is this really where you want to spend the rest of your life? [00:03:39] [SPEAKER_04]: You know I don't [00:03:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Then this is our only ticket out of here [00:04:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Alien Romulus makes for the seventh film in the Alien franchise [00:04:09] [SPEAKER_03]: If you don't count the two Alien versus Predator films [00:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And we shall not [00:04:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Which I may have just lost my official Weyland-Yutani stockholder status [00:04:17] [SPEAKER_03]: By mentioning those [00:04:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So let's move on [00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: As far as sequels, prequels, reheats, reboots and expanded universes go [00:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: How was your experience with this entry, Alan? [00:04:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And did you find it was suited for a big screen release? [00:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Or would you have sent it straight to online distribution like 2022's Prey? [00:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'll hit the second question first [00:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Because honestly I'm just going to kick this back over to you [00:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And get your opinion before I jump into mine [00:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to hear your opinion [00:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Your second question though, whether this should have been in theaters or a release online [00:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, this is a theater release [00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I thought Prey should have been a theater release too [00:04:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would have gone to see Prey in the theater as well [00:04:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree, we reviewed it and we both kind of like missed opportunity [00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely [00:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So no, this deserved a place in the theater [00:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to leave it at that [00:05:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Before I turn it back over to you and say, Chris, I know how big a fan you are of the original [00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're a fan of the Cameron, the aliens [00:05:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the only one that I remember being negative like right off the bat was Alien Covenant [00:05:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And I've since revisited it and I'm a little, I feel a little better about it [00:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But even Alien Resurrection, the [00:05:35] [SPEAKER_03]: See, when I saw it, I've only seen it once when I saw it in the theater [00:05:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I think I was okay with it [00:05:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd be interested, I haven't revisited it [00:05:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So I would be interested to revisit that one [00:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, given all that, there's a lot of history [00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of history [00:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah [00:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And Alien Romulus, you know, we do have a [00:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a similar setup [00:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: There is a derelict space station group of young space colonists [00:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Go to explore it, they're looking for a particular thing that they want to use to be able to try to [00:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: What is that? Are they trying to mix? [00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to get in the siro [00:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: They want to use the escape pods, the cryo pods [00:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Cryo, that's it [00:06:18] [SPEAKER_03]: To go to a distant location where they're promised a better life [00:06:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, yeah [00:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're trying to get away from their current setup [00:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they were basically being forced labor in the mines [00:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Right [00:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Back on their home planet, so they're like, all right, we're going to get out of here [00:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: They go and they find that there are these cryo [00:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: How do I, why can I not pronounce it? [00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Cryogenic [00:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Cryogenic [00:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Why can I not say that? [00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: They find that there's these cryogenic pods that will allow them to space travel [00:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it was going to take like 60 years [00:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Right [00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: To get to this other place [00:06:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're going to find these [00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they happen to stumble into a ship that [00:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We may or may not have some familiarity with already [00:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So leaving it at that, Chris [00:07:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Tell me what you thought of Alien Romulus [00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I really want to [00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I know [00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And I could play the game of going ahead and telling you what I think [00:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's not [00:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: If I'm wrong, then that's not really fun [00:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: That could set the wrong tone for the discussion [00:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I know, trust me, in the back of my mind [00:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I know what your opinion of this film is [00:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just anxious to hear you say it [00:07:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And I want to see if I'm right [00:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'll tell you [00:07:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I knew, so you'd mentioned in the setup [00:07:25] [SPEAKER_03]: There are, you know, in the intro of the show [00:07:27] [SPEAKER_03]: That I'd seen it Thursday night and I had [00:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And I felt one way walking out of the theater [00:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I've had some time to sit with it [00:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And I knew you were going to see it last night [00:07:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Right before we recorded this [00:07:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was tempted [00:07:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But life got in the way, work got in the way [00:07:42] [SPEAKER_03]: To actually sneak in the theater [00:07:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And go see it again [00:07:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Just to kind of double check [00:07:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Some of the things that I was thinking about [00:07:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And to surprise you and be like, hey [00:07:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But that didn't happen [00:07:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But if I saw Chris Fry walk into my theater last night [00:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Knowing you already seen it once [00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be like, oh my gosh [00:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris really likes this movie [00:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Which wouldn't have necessarily been true [00:08:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Right [00:08:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So let me start off [00:08:03] [SPEAKER_03]: The big thing that come [00:08:04] [SPEAKER_03]: The take home that I got from this film [00:08:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Was David Johnson's performance [00:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: For me made this film worth watching alone [00:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: He plays a character Andy [00:08:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not going to spoil anything [00:08:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Because if you've watched the trailer [00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: You kind of know that something's a little up with him [00:08:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's revealed in the first couple of minutes of the film [00:08:24] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a [00:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they don't call him androids [00:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: They call them synthetics or whatever [00:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Synthetics, although with the name Andy [00:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, Andy Android [00:08:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So they play [00:08:34] [SPEAKER_03]: That's his role in this film [00:08:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And he is kind of a semi-brother [00:08:38] [SPEAKER_03]: To another main character [00:08:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Rain played by Kaylee Spaney [00:08:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Which we'll get to her in a second [00:08:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But just his performance [00:08:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Was for me so fascinating [00:08:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was the most interesting [00:08:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Character of the whole film for me [00:08:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And just kind of his arc [00:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't want to get into too much about that [00:08:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I feel like that's spoiling what was really enjoyable for me [00:09:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Because legacy wise [00:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: If you've seen any alien films [00:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: The moment you find out [00:09:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Which there again, I'm not spoiling anything [00:09:10] [SPEAKER_03]: You find out pretty early [00:09:11] [SPEAKER_03]: That he's a synthetic [00:09:12] [SPEAKER_03]: You're like, okay [00:09:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Because we've had synthetics in most of the films that I recall [00:09:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I think pretty much all of them [00:09:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember, like I said [00:09:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I've only seen Resurrection once [00:09:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember what the role was [00:09:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, in Resurrection [00:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Was it Ripley? [00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: No, she wasn't an android [00:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: She was a clone [00:09:31] [SPEAKER_03]: She was a clone, yeah [00:09:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But there are other things about that film that I could be wrong [00:09:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But in general [00:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It has a lot of weight [00:09:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Synthetic and kind of like the whole plot thread [00:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So I found that [00:09:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And what they were able to do with that [00:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought his character was the most interesting [00:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought that thread of how that was used [00:09:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Was the most interesting thing about the film [00:09:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So I really, really, really, really like that [00:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I've alluded to Kayleigh Smaney [00:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: We saw her earlier this year in Civil War [00:10:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked that film I think more than most [00:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And I liked her in that film [00:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And I really liked her in Romulus too [00:10:11] [SPEAKER_03]: She's not given [00:10:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'll just [00:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, she is basically [00:10:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Ripley part two [00:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But that's fine because [00:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoy seeing [00:10:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Instead of a male dominated film [00:10:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoy seeing a strong female lead [00:10:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Who's like not just [00:10:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Help me, help me [00:10:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Not just playing the damsel in distress [00:10:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoy all that [00:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean [00:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's more than even just a strong female lead [00:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a [00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a nuanced performance [00:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: In that [00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You bring up the similarities of Sigourney Weaver [00:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And like it's all intentional [00:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: They're very much a mirror [00:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But what I always liked about Sigourney Weaver's [00:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Portray of Ripley in the first movie is [00:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: She's part of a team [00:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You see her dynamics within a team [00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Then when it starts to get down to just kind of her [00:11:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You see both [00:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Her fear [00:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: In her [00:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Emotions [00:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But also countering that with strength and [00:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Intellect trying to figure out what to do [00:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Right [00:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And again, we got that with Kelly Spaney [00:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Here as well. I think it echoed much of the same [00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Beats [00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: For better or for worse, but her performance was great [00:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree [00:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Also for me [00:11:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Gratifying like I said, David Johnson [00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd only seen him in Rye Lane [00:11:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Which I recommended on the show [00:11:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a 2023 film [00:11:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a romantic comedy type thing [00:11:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Completely different type of role [00:11:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is my second film with him [00:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, whoa, this dude's range is kind of mind blowing [00:11:42] [SPEAKER_03]: To me, Kayleigh Spaney familiar with her [00:11:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I mentioned Civil War. I'd seen her in [00:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Priscilla, you know where she's playing [00:11:48] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Priscilla Presley [00:11:49] [SPEAKER_03]: But then to see her in this I'm like, okay [00:11:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's so good [00:11:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Got an interesting cool range doing [00:11:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Way different types of projects and stuff [00:11:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I'm just [00:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Excited about that [00:12:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So let's move in. Let's shift [00:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Into... You've rattled off a lot of [00:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Positives. I have. So we'll see where we're going with this [00:12:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Chris. So you're thinking like [00:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so let's get into [00:12:13] [SPEAKER_03]: The director, Fede Alvarez [00:12:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's one of three [00:12:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Co-writers on the film [00:12:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I had seen a previous work of his [00:12:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't Breathe which was kind of like a [00:12:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Reverse home invasion [00:12:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Thriller horror type film [00:12:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Suspense, I guess you would say [00:12:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But I thought it was well done. I can't remember if I recommended [00:12:30] [SPEAKER_03]: That one on the show or not [00:12:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But I thought it was well done [00:12:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Deep breath [00:12:37] So [00:12:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed [00:12:39] [SPEAKER_03]: On one hand [00:12:41] [SPEAKER_03]: The link to [00:12:44] [SPEAKER_03]: The other films that [00:12:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Were in this [00:12:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Cinematic universe and alien universe [00:12:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they referenced any of the Predator things [00:12:51] [SPEAKER_03]: To my knowledge, but maybe they did [00:12:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not [00:12:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Going to spoil anything because [00:12:57] [SPEAKER_03]: One of the questions you alluded to like [00:12:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, with everything that's gone on [00:13:01] [SPEAKER_03]: How are these people going to get a hold of the aliens? [00:13:04] [SPEAKER_03]: What's the excuse? [00:13:05] [SPEAKER_03]: What's like eye rolling? [00:13:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay [00:13:09] [SPEAKER_03]: In the opening minutes they show [00:13:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Remnants of the Nostromo [00:13:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Which was the spaceship that was in the very first alien movie [00:13:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Back in 1979 [00:13:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And you're like okay [00:13:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And you see some things being recovered [00:13:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You're like not really sure what's going on there [00:13:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But you're like okay [00:13:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And the way that they tried to tie [00:13:29] [SPEAKER_03]: That in [00:13:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was [00:13:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting and then the ways in which [00:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: They referenced with the second [00:13:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Film, Aliens, James Cameron's film [00:13:39] [SPEAKER_03]: There was a colony in there that had been [00:13:41] [SPEAKER_03]: In there so you alluded to [00:13:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Like where were these people [00:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Reign and Andy to begin with [00:13:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Not on the same colony planet but they are on [00:13:49] [SPEAKER_03]: A colony planet that has mining [00:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're being [00:13:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Technically indentured [00:13:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Servants I don't know if you could say slave or not [00:13:57] [SPEAKER_03]: But they're in a very miserable [00:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Situation, they want to get off by [00:14:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Getting these cryopods which cryopods [00:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Again something that has a very [00:14:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Storied history in this franchise [00:14:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like every film they malfunction or they do [00:14:09] [SPEAKER_03]: This, they do that you know [00:14:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So again kind of linking [00:14:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Them to the other films [00:14:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I joked in my intro too about [00:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: The Weyland-Yutani [00:14:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Stockholder thing you know that [00:14:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Corporation which they have played [00:14:23] [SPEAKER_03]: A role except for the first [00:14:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Well no I guess in the first film [00:14:27] [SPEAKER_03]: They were mentioned there as well but that [00:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Their kind of legacy has only [00:14:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Grown as these films have gone on [00:14:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I appreciated [00:14:35] [SPEAKER_03]: That as well [00:14:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And then ultimately [00:14:39] [SPEAKER_03]: You know you talked about [00:14:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Alien resurrection Ripley being a [00:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Clone there's a lot of lab work [00:14:45] [SPEAKER_03]: In that, there's some lab work [00:14:47] [SPEAKER_03]: In this that kind of tips hand at that [00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And one of my favorite [00:14:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Films I'll probably be [00:14:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Thrown out by saying it but Prometheus [00:14:55] [SPEAKER_03]: There is a shaky [00:14:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Tenuous [00:14:58] [SPEAKER_03]: But I guess kind of maybe satisfying [00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: In some way [00:15:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean if they're going to reference all the other ones [00:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And they do kind [00:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Of reference Prometheus [00:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I could have done without it but I was [00:15:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Like well okay so [00:15:13] [SPEAKER_03]: All that to say like [00:15:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's the thing with any film [00:15:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Like this we just discussed Wolverine [00:15:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And Deadpool as far [00:15:21] [SPEAKER_03]: As giving fan service or what's the [00:15:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You know paying tribute giving fan [00:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Service making references [00:15:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that it all [00:15:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Depends on how big a fan you are [00:15:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Of the franchise and how [00:15:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's done to whether or not you [00:15:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Can like tolerate [00:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is the seventh film [00:15:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm giving a lot of excuses and I [00:15:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Think overall I did like the film [00:15:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But you can [00:15:45] [SPEAKER_03]: There's the but coming the [00:15:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Thing that bothered me and this was kind [00:15:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Of towards the end when they really lean [00:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: To it it's like okay I can just kind of [00:15:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Smile and not my head yes I got that reference [00:15:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes I got that restore but [00:15:57] [SPEAKER_03]: The thing that was the bottom [00:15:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Two things that were the bottom of the barrel [00:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Was recycling [00:16:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Dialogue yes [00:16:04] [SPEAKER_03]: That is yes okay [00:16:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And do it do it once and that [00:16:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Can be kind of a clever thing if you're like oh [00:16:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay but no it was [00:16:13] [SPEAKER_03]: At least twice but maybe [00:16:15] [SPEAKER_03]: More than that maybe like it was only once [00:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That really oh both [00:16:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Caused me and I won't say what [00:16:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Both of those I know there were at least [00:16:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Two instances and I was just like okay [00:16:26] [SPEAKER_03]: That's not cool because [00:16:28] [SPEAKER_03]: There's no need to do it [00:16:30] [SPEAKER_03]: There's no need for it and you are at the runtime [00:16:32] [SPEAKER_03]: In the film we're talking this is the last [00:16:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Third probably well it breaks the film [00:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: At that point I mean to me because it's like [00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You've already had all the references [00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: To all the film this film is a [00:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: One gigantic reference to the entire [00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien franchise I think almost alien [00:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Every alien movie is somehow [00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Reference it is themes [00:16:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's cool I like that I thought that was great [00:16:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't mind that [00:16:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I like it when you can pull in some elements [00:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And bring in the lore bring in the [00:16:58] [SPEAKER_02]: What people know about it [00:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But there's absolutely no reason [00:17:02] [SPEAKER_02]: For the lines of dialogue [00:17:04] [SPEAKER_02]: To be recycled just to [00:17:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Get a rise out of the audience and just [00:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Wink wink it's lazy and [00:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It broke for me the one [00:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Character that I'm thinking of specifically that said [00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: The most obvious one [00:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: A character you mentioned the beginning how much you like [00:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like oh my gosh that just [00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Does that actually [00:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of destroyed a little bit of that [00:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: That whole set up and [00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Character for me so [00:17:27] [SPEAKER_03]: For me there were two lines that did that but yeah [00:17:30] [SPEAKER_03]: It was better I think [00:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: The paying tribute [00:17:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And the fans are to me up until [00:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That point well with the exception of one thing [00:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll get to still which is my biggest no no [00:17:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But [00:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It had been done [00:17:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I felt kind of artfully [00:17:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And cleverly yeah [00:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But the like you're saying [00:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Just repeating the dialogue [00:17:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just eye rolling and like you didn't [00:17:53] [SPEAKER_03]: If they could have left that out I would have been like [00:17:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay yeah it's referential but it was done an artful way [00:17:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I can accept it but that was just so low brow [00:18:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Well and it made no sense [00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: There's no reason why that individual would have said [00:18:04] [SPEAKER_02]: That line in a way he did [00:18:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Given what we know about [00:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That character up to that point so [00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Everything else was referential you're [00:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Re-examining the world [00:18:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Of these other movies right [00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like when you walk into a room and you're like [00:18:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh wow I remembered this [00:18:20] [SPEAKER_02]: This was the setup from here right [00:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's cool that is a good way [00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: To handle a callback that is the way [00:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: To do it is reintroduce people to the worlds [00:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Of the environments they remember [00:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But you don't have to hit them over the head be like oh [00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Look do you remember this is the [00:18:34] [SPEAKER_03]: This is the same way we had this movie yeah [00:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Right so okay [00:18:38] [SPEAKER_03]: All that to say like I say I still like [00:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: This movie but the other thing [00:18:42] [SPEAKER_03]: This is what I wanted to actually revisit the film [00:18:44] [SPEAKER_03]: What I'm about to talk about now and I'm not [00:18:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Going to avoid spoilers because for me it was [00:18:48] [SPEAKER_03]: A big like oh [00:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to try to avoid spoilers [00:18:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But I will say we have [00:18:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Talked about this I think [00:18:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Rogue one was the first instance [00:18:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Where this was done [00:19:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Where they used an actor [00:19:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Who had passed away [00:19:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And they used his face on top [00:19:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Of somebody else's face to bring back [00:19:08] [SPEAKER_03]: To have a character and people [00:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Be like oh and you know and it was [00:19:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Just really distracting and I think after that Princess [00:19:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Leia was then used in some other maybe [00:19:16] [SPEAKER_03]: She was used in the same one it was both her [00:19:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And somebody else anyways [00:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's been done so it's not like I haven't [00:19:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Seen this done before [00:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think in both instances [00:19:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd heard some rumbles that this was going to happen [00:19:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So [00:19:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I understand [00:19:33] [SPEAKER_03]: The plot [00:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Point I guess [00:19:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Of having this CGI recreation [00:19:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Be there [00:19:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But I just think kind of like the [00:19:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Dialogue [00:19:45] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just not cool [00:19:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they needed to find another [00:19:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Way [00:19:50] [SPEAKER_03]: They had something which is not the [00:19:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Hold into an actor which is the whole [00:19:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Idea of this system on board [00:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: All these various ships that it's probably [00:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Run by Weyland Yutani the corporation [00:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: This mother [00:20:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Instance kind of in a way [00:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Referential to kind of like [00:20:07] [SPEAKER_03]: How from 2001 [00:20:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think they could have easily let [00:20:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Mother do some dirty work [00:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Or some text like it could have [00:20:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Been done in a more artful way to [00:20:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of communicate like okay [00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Something's about to go wrong [00:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But instead and even the way [00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It was shot [00:20:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of had a sinking feeling in my stomach because [00:20:26] [SPEAKER_03]: They were keeping the face [00:20:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Of this person I was like okay [00:20:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay [00:20:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And then it was there and I'm like [00:20:34] [SPEAKER_02]: As soon as I saw [00:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: This body [00:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like oh I know what they're doing [00:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I know exactly and that's how [00:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: They're tying this all in [00:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Now here's the thing Chris [00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think why it was there [00:20:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like we're just going to throw them in here [00:20:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't just fanservice [00:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: There was a need to have a shift [00:20:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And I get all that [00:20:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I was okay with that concept [00:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: For the first [00:20:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Few minutes [00:21:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And then if they would have left it at that [00:21:02] [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that he [00:21:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Because there is a [00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: There's something that they got [00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: From that character [00:21:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That was going to have an effect on another [00:21:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Character I'm like that's all I needed [00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Right right right [00:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: You stop it right there [00:21:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I think when this character is then later [00:21:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Showing up on TV screens [00:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And being all like a menacing villain [00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like alright you've lost me at that [00:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: That was a lazy [00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just a ridiculous [00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Use of a character that [00:21:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't need to be there [00:21:36] [SPEAKER_03]: There again I think if it wasn't [00:21:39] [SPEAKER_03]: A CGI representation of this person [00:21:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And if it was actually [00:21:42] [SPEAKER_03]: The person because they were still alive [00:21:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I would have been a little bit better with it [00:21:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Because at least I think they get a little bit of [00:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Fun of reprising a role or something [00:21:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But when it's just that I just [00:21:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know I just feel kind of [00:21:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Ick about it [00:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It was [00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: A little jarring and I felt like it [00:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Overstated its welcome and just [00:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah kind of water [00:22:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Deluded a lot of the film [00:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: After that for me [00:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So it sounds like Chris I'm trying to get you to [00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to get you to [00:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: A fulcrum point here [00:22:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You enjoyed [00:22:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The film but you [00:22:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Had some major misgivings [00:22:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I did and I you know if I had [00:22:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Thrown Alien Covenant under the bus [00:22:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And kind of talking about things [00:22:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked it I like it right off the bat [00:22:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Better than I liked that film [00:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So in a way I feel [00:22:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Like Prometheus [00:22:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's the newest film [00:22:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I've only seen it maybe 300 [00:22:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Times as opposed to the thousands of times [00:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That I've seen Alien [00:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's like my favorite [00:22:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Just because I like how it plays with the mythology [00:22:48] [SPEAKER_03]: So and that's why I was disappointed [00:22:49] [SPEAKER_03]: In Alien Covenant because I had expectations [00:22:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That didn't live up. They backed away from that [00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like this film is [00:22:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Closer to what [00:22:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I want an Alien film to do [00:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It still plays with a little bit of history [00:23:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And a little bit of does have the fan [00:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Service of the winking but it doesn't [00:23:05] [SPEAKER_03]: To some extent you know it's still [00:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Ingeniously done you feel like you're learning a little [00:23:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Bit more [00:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: But the two things [00:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: That I've mentioned the dialogue [00:23:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the return of the CGI kit that [00:23:17] [SPEAKER_03]: That bothered me but so it kept me from being [00:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Just like over the moon totally excited [00:23:21] [SPEAKER_03]: If you are a fan [00:23:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Of the Alien [00:23:25] [SPEAKER_03]: World and the franchise then yeah [00:23:27] [SPEAKER_03]: You should go to see this. You should definitely see it in the big [00:23:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Theater because all the [00:23:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Sound and everything is very immersive [00:23:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I got to see it in a Dolby theater so that [00:23:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Was awesome [00:23:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like it's a worthy [00:23:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Entry but you know [00:23:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It would I wonder [00:23:43] [SPEAKER_03]: If they're now going to go this [00:23:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Route and Ridley Scott's like no I'm just going to make [00:23:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Gladiator sequels from here on out until I [00:23:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Stop making films [00:23:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope that [00:23:53] [SPEAKER_03]: If they were to go forward with the franchise from [00:23:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Here that they could somehow kind of [00:23:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Say like okay we've kind of [00:24:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Restarted it yet again [00:24:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But we're not going to keep relying so [00:24:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Much on you know I hope they don't make [00:24:06] [SPEAKER_03]: The next movie all dialogue from a [00:24:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Former film right [00:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So where are you? What's your [00:24:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Ultimate like if I guess [00:24:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm debating between a [00:24:15] [SPEAKER_03]: A three and a three and a half star maybe [00:24:18] [SPEAKER_03]: If you go from one to five so [00:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So where are you? I'm [00:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of at the same star rating [00:24:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably at three [00:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I had a fine time with this [00:24:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I think [00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It's [00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I listed out everything I really liked about the [00:24:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Film but also the things I didn't like [00:24:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like for the most part [00:24:39] [SPEAKER_03]: The things you didn't like you and I [00:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Locked up. Yeah pretty much I mean the use [00:24:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Of the one character the CGI [00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Deepfake character yeah that [00:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Was I thought overused and not [00:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: As effective as it could have been if it just [00:24:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Was kept short brief and all [00:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That and yeah the [00:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Callback dialogue stuff was eye rolling [00:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly grunted and just [00:25:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Made a [00:25:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Gutteral noise I think when that happened in theater [00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if people next to me knew [00:25:07] [SPEAKER_02]: What I was talking about [00:25:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I liked [00:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It [00:25:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It was having me at the beginning [00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I mean the production design [00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: The look and the feel of the film was just great [00:25:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And it really echoed back to that [00:25:22] [SPEAKER_02]: First Alien film and I mean I knew that's where [00:25:24] [SPEAKER_02]: They were leaning heavy and we [00:25:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Want that same look and feel [00:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But what made the original Alien [00:25:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So special [00:25:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Was not [00:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't have any bombast [00:25:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't all about [00:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: The noises and the jump [00:25:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Scares and the dread it's about [00:25:42] [SPEAKER_02]: The dread and [00:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: When this film wanted to play with dread [00:25:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It was pretty good but [00:25:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It lost interest in dread pretty [00:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Early on it's just like no we just [00:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Want loud [00:25:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Jump scare of [00:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Quick action stuff [00:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And that just kind of [00:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It kind of watered down the film for me to where [00:26:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It just became very pedestrian [00:26:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Very much a standard [00:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Nowadays action movie [00:26:08] [SPEAKER_02]: With CGI creatures [00:26:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That you're fighting [00:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So it kind of lost me towards [00:26:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It got closer to the end there's a whole [00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The setups [00:26:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Themself were really interesting [00:26:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the scenes the setups for scenes [00:26:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just one and I got it found myself [00:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Getting excited like oh this looks cool [00:26:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh this looks like it would be fun and then it's like [00:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of [00:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: What I expected it was kind of it was kind of just [00:26:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It was just kind of there [00:26:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it tried to compensate so much with [00:26:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Noise more than it did substance [00:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: In a lot of those action scenes [00:26:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Or a lot of those thrilling moments [00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So it was a little bit of a mix back for me [00:26:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I did ultimately enjoy it [00:26:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I just was a little let down [00:26:49] [SPEAKER_02]: That I felt like they just went too safe [00:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And too by the numbers [00:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Too many times [00:26:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And again where I actually did watch the original alien [00:27:01] [SPEAKER_02]: The morning before I saw this [00:27:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay I've watched it recently [00:27:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Or like the day before [00:27:06] [SPEAKER_03]: My first time [00:27:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And just reminding me how much [00:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: They played with the fact that I mean [00:27:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't see a lot [00:27:13] [SPEAKER_02]: For a long time or very much at all [00:27:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And yet it still built up this [00:27:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Huge enormous sense of dread [00:27:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And this movie just didn't really seem [00:27:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Too interested in that at all [00:27:22] [SPEAKER_02]: There are a couple scenes where [00:27:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It was almost like they ripped off the original one [00:27:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Almost identically like [00:27:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Certain things in the background [00:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Certain things happen but once that scene happens [00:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Like oh yeah we did that shot [00:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Check that box now let's just go bonkers [00:27:36] [SPEAKER_02]: In nuts and big action [00:27:39] [SPEAKER_02]: There is a third [00:27:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Third and a half act [00:27:43] [SPEAKER_02]: To this film that I had heard [00:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody tell me got a little off the rails [00:27:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Was this the Prometheus reference [00:27:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes [00:27:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was okay with it [00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I liked it [00:27:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean yeah it was a little [00:27:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a little gonzo but [00:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I liked it, it was not expected [00:28:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I think maybe length of that too [00:28:03] [SPEAKER_03]: If it had been like [00:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It was kept relatively short [00:28:07] [SPEAKER_02]: We are at the hour or 40 minute [00:28:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Mark of the film and I am like okay I know we are getting [00:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Close to the end [00:28:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But I know there is something else going to happen [00:28:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think there was a [00:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty easy call up when you see one character [00:28:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Taking a certain device [00:28:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And deciding she is going to use it [00:28:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like okay well obviously this is going to lead to [00:28:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Something bad [00:28:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that was interesting [00:28:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah I thought [00:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Overall I am good with the movie [00:28:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I did have the same problems you did with those two elements [00:28:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Of it [00:28:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I wish the film had been a little bit more [00:28:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's own [00:28:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Then relying so much on [00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Just trying to mimic [00:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It tried to make a perfect blend of alien and [00:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Aliens, it's like okay no that's what we want to do [00:28:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Which are the two I think probably [00:28:51] [SPEAKER_03]: The two most successful films [00:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: They are the two biggest two best regarded [00:28:56] Movies [00:28:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's noble effort but it's like [00:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It just seemed like okay now we are going to show you the gun [00:29:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You are going to use oh yeah by the way this is [00:29:03] [SPEAKER_02]: The same gun that we use in Aliens [00:29:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And let me show you how to work it just like [00:29:07] [SPEAKER_03]: A character showed Rippley [00:29:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just I wish the movie [00:29:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Could have stood on its own I think it had chances [00:29:13] [SPEAKER_02]: To do that and it chose not to [00:29:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Alvarez [00:29:18] [SPEAKER_02]: He is a good director he obviously [00:29:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Is better at the horror side [00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Of things [00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And when this movie did lean into [00:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Those horror trappings which it did [00:29:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's probably the more [00:29:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Quote horror influenced [00:29:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Version of the franchise [00:29:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I know of course the original Alien was a [00:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Quote science fiction [00:29:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Horror movie, this one leans [00:29:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Into the no it's horror [00:29:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like heart in there are [00:29:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Jump scares there are [00:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: You know violence there is [00:29:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You know [00:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Aliens is just an action movie [00:29:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Aliens is all action [00:29:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien is sci-fi horror [00:29:55] [SPEAKER_02]: This one [00:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even feel like really went as deep into the sci-fi [00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It just kind of echoed everything else [00:30:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like no we are going to make a more horror based [00:30:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Version of this film [00:30:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So alright that will have to say [00:30:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I had a good time with it [00:30:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was fine [00:30:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I wish it wasn't as loud and bombastic [00:30:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And over the top as it felt like it had to be [00:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: In a lot of the bigger scenes and [00:30:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Sequences but I did like the characters [00:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Quite a bit you already mentioned Callie Spaney [00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I really liked her I liked David [00:30:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Johnson as well I mean really all [00:30:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The cast was good I thought you know [00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: They did their [00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Roles I mean you knew who was going to be [00:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You knew who was expendable pretty early [00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: On and you knew who wasn't but there were a couple [00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Surprises they threw at me which I was [00:30:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly surprised by [00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah [00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I you know in looking at [00:30:43] [SPEAKER_02]: In terms of the other films [00:30:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I was not as high on Prometheus as you [00:30:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Were I think that's gone on record we've [00:30:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Talked about that I admired the film [00:30:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But you got a higher [00:30:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Level of something from it than I did [00:30:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Right I liked Covenant [00:30:57] [SPEAKER_02]: A little better than you did just because [00:31:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I did like the fact that it was [00:31:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Leaning back into the alien [00:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: World a bit more that I was comfortable [00:31:05] [SPEAKER_02]: With [00:31:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is kind of still bouncing [00:31:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Around in there I don't feel like it's a drop [00:31:11] [SPEAKER_02]: In overall enjoyment for me from those other [00:31:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Previous two films as much [00:31:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's still nowhere near like you know the original [00:31:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Two I mean it's just [00:31:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not there but [00:31:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So be it sure [00:31:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and for [00:31:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Me it [00:31:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it's [00:31:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Somewhere floating I'll have to [00:31:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to because they're [00:31:34] [SPEAKER_02]: All different directors are all different [00:31:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Styles there's a whole [00:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: First four films [00:31:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And then these last three films [00:31:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a whole it's hard to [00:31:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Judge them against each other the number one thing like [00:31:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I go back to Andy [00:31:48] [SPEAKER_03]: You know David Johnson's performance [00:31:51] [SPEAKER_03]: After Michael [00:31:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Fassbender doing David in Prometheus [00:31:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And Alien Covenant I was like [00:31:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And even though I didn't like Covenant [00:31:58] [SPEAKER_03]: His still performance and I was like okay [00:32:00] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what can they do [00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And you saw Andy [00:32:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And you're like oh okay here we go [00:32:06] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to comment somehow on [00:32:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Synthetics whatever and you're just like yeah whatever [00:32:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But they still manage to make [00:32:12] [SPEAKER_03]: It interesting and I think like I said that's what [00:32:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Pushed this to be [00:32:17] [SPEAKER_03]: A decent entry [00:32:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Into the franchise is the fact what they were able to [00:32:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Deal with that so so I've got [00:32:22] [SPEAKER_02]: A pitch for a film I think they should [00:32:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Take all three [00:32:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Of the androids that we [00:32:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Know from the Alien franchise [00:32:31] [SPEAKER_03]: They're actually technically [00:32:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Four but okay who am I missing [00:32:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Bishop oh right Bishop [00:32:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah Bishop Bishop was an [00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien so Ash Bishop [00:32:40] [SPEAKER_02]: David and now Andy [00:32:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And they that should be a movie [00:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Now granted I think [00:32:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I know Ian Holm is passed away [00:32:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Right I don't know about the one who plays [00:32:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Bishop is he I think Lance Hendrickson [00:32:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Is still still [00:32:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously as you saw I mean they [00:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: They like to play with [00:32:58] [SPEAKER_02]: De-aging and deep faking and all that [00:33:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It could be done but how interesting would that [00:33:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Be because I do think the androids have been the [00:33:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Most fascinating part for me of any of these [00:33:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Movies David was definitely [00:33:08] [SPEAKER_02]: The most interesting part for me of Prometheus [00:33:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And even Covenant [00:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah I would be I would be [00:33:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I would be into an idea like that [00:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Something about the androids I think [00:33:18] [SPEAKER_03]: For synthetics try to keep it simple [00:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Andy [00:33:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Versus David would be amazing [00:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you [00:33:26] [SPEAKER_02]: At any point did you ever [00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of either hope or think [00:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That it like oh like this film has gone all in [00:33:32] [SPEAKER_02]: On call out and references [00:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you ever want to see David [00:33:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Like just somehow appear [00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Show up [00:33:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And actually I thought which I guess [00:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Whether or not [00:33:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Fassbender said no [00:33:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I was kind of surprised I actually thought [00:33:49] [SPEAKER_03]: We would get something [00:33:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Somehow of Sigourney [00:33:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Weaver as well and they're [00:33:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Not that I could tell there was any of that but yeah [00:33:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of surprised [00:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah they didn't go that heavy with the [00:34:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Call which is good David I was kind of [00:34:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Expecting just because the android [00:34:05] [SPEAKER_02]: World did have a little more prominence [00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: In this film than I was expecting it to [00:34:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I did not know the synthetics were going to play [00:34:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Quite the role they did here [00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I kept thinking okay [00:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: This would be a perfect time for a [00:34:17] [SPEAKER_02]: David appearance [00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah [00:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I got to respect the film not going that [00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Deep into as many cameos [00:34:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And all that [00:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It was still pretty gratuitous what it did [00:34:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But true [00:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay well that is Alien Romulus [00:34:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like we're both positive on it [00:34:35] [SPEAKER_02]: With some major misgivings [00:34:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And some missed opportunities or things [00:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That were not handled as well as they [00:34:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Should have been [00:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I will say just for people always that are [00:34:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Listening that haven't seen the movie and are curious [00:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: About it, it is I'd say [00:34:51] [SPEAKER_02]: From a violent standpoint [00:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel like it's a little probably [00:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: One of the most violent entries [00:34:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it is [00:34:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and body horror [00:34:59] [SPEAKER_03]: That's where that horror leaning is really leaning in [00:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a couple scenes that are very [00:35:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Tough to watch and very [00:35:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Challenging from that end [00:35:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll say just one final [00:35:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Thing too that I thought was kind of original [00:35:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess maybe [00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Not that the other films don't have these guys [00:35:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But if you reference the face huggers [00:35:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody knows what I'm talking about little crap things [00:35:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought this gave a little bit more [00:35:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Screen time to them [00:35:23] [SPEAKER_03]: That I appreciate, I was like okay they kind of get their own [00:35:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Little [00:35:27] [SPEAKER_03]: They get to be more of us because usually it's all about [00:35:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay give me the big xenomorph that everybody [00:35:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Knows with the two mouths that extend [00:35:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Quickly go ahead and get on somebody's face so you can [00:35:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Make the xenomorph feel [00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But they gave them a little bit more like there was a whole sequence [00:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That I thought was pretty fun [00:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And I liked and [00:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of echoing the [00:35:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds a little bit [00:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: See like that [00:35:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That was a fun scene so that's the thing [00:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It had some moments where I was like that was [00:35:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Good, there's a [00:35:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Bit with zero gravity [00:35:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say yes that I thought [00:36:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay that's pretty cool [00:36:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That was completely okay you can [00:36:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Say how like your reference in kind of the birds [00:36:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Sequence with the face huggers you could say that [00:36:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Semi references [00:36:09] [SPEAKER_03]: RIPLY walking among all the pods [00:36:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But the zero gravity [00:36:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Sequence to my mind and what was going on [00:36:16] [SPEAKER_03]: With that, that was [00:36:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Unique to this film [00:36:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And the whole use of the acid blood [00:36:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And just kind of knowing the dangers [00:36:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Of that which is a little more prominent [00:36:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It definitely took some interesting ideas [00:36:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And had fun with them [00:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Made some interesting set pieces and [00:36:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Scenes out of it but [00:36:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But at the end of the day it still ultimately [00:36:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Just relied on to me [00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Now we got to make this a [00:36:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Action shoot em up [00:36:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And horror version of Aliens [00:36:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to make every call out [00:36:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Reference that we need to make to make sure people remember [00:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: We're in an Aliens movie [00:36:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, alright [00:36:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay Alien Romulus [00:36:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Doing pretty good I think [00:36:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Box office wise so I think that [00:36:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Bodes well for future there is [00:36:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Supposedly another one already in the works [00:37:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh really? Alien [00:37:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Colon Earth [00:37:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm hearing [00:37:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And do we know if Alvarez [00:37:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Is attached to that? [00:37:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Well let me hold on [00:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to call out our producers [00:37:16] [SPEAKER_02]: All of our bank of engineers [00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: That are in the other room that are helping [00:37:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Produce this show and let me have [00:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Them look up and they can tell me here in a minute [00:37:25] [SPEAKER_02]: If he's the one [00:37:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Doing it or not because [00:37:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's the thing if that's the case [00:37:29] [SPEAKER_03]: If it is Alien colon Earth [00:37:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the title there [00:37:33] [SPEAKER_03]: That makes me wonder if they're going to pick up where [00:37:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Resurrection left off [00:37:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that [00:37:39] [SPEAKER_03]: That was the whole thing that they [00:37:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Were coming back to Earth [00:37:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien Earth is actually the television series [00:37:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh but it is in the [00:37:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Franchise [00:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh it's Alien franchise [00:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It serves as a prequel [00:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And will be set three decades before [00:37:55] [SPEAKER_02]: The events of the 1979 film [00:37:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien [00:37:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah it's definitely going to be in the Prometheus world [00:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Or in that timeline [00:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So not following up on Resurrection [00:38:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting Alien Earth [00:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and it's written and directed by [00:38:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Noah Hawley [00:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Who I'm trying to remember who that is [00:38:14] [SPEAKER_02]: He's worked on the [00:38:16] [SPEAKER_02]: TV series Fargo and Legion [00:38:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And [00:38:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah [00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So that is supposed to be a TV show [00:38:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what I'm hearing is the next [00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Thing in the kind of the [00:38:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien franchise [00:38:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see [00:38:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Mixed feelings about that but will I watch it? [00:38:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Probably [00:38:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So that is Alien [00:38:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Romulus in theaters now [00:38:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That was our review [00:38:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris let's take a quick break [00:38:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll come back got news got a trailer [00:38:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And recommendations all to share with people [00:38:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So stay tuned you're listening [00:38:50] [SPEAKER_02]: To Foot Candle Films we'll be right back [00:38:52] [SPEAKER_00]: This podcast is sponsored by [00:38:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Jackson Creative [00:38:55] [SPEAKER_00]: A custom communication agency [00:38:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Located in downtown Hickory, North Carolina [00:39:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Specializing in online [00:39:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Content creation [00:39:03] [SPEAKER_00]: To learn more visit TheJacksonCreative.com [00:39:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Jackson Creative we tell your story [00:39:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Well welcome back to [00:39:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Foot Candle Films here on the Mesh.TV [00:39:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Podcast network we had our [00:39:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Discussion and review of the film [00:39:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien Romulus in the first half of the show [00:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris and I both coming out [00:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Fairly fairly positive I mean fairly good [00:39:24] [SPEAKER_03]: On it I mean fanboy and me just can't [00:39:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Help but yeah appreciate it [00:39:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I ought to tell you so I only like [00:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Sharing because [00:39:33] [SPEAKER_02]: My son [00:39:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's a film student [00:39:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Had gone to see the film I think [00:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Thursday night also like I think the same [00:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Night you did but in a different city [00:39:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And he [00:39:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And I are letterboxed connected [00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Together so I see his star ratings [00:39:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And I try really hard not to see anybody's [00:39:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Ratings before I see the film themself [00:39:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure myself but [00:39:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes when you go the letterbox [00:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Landing page like home page just to go [00:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Check things out you can't help [00:40:00] [SPEAKER_02]: See star ratings for new films and like oh [00:40:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Man I wish I hadn't seen that [00:40:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So I saw his rating and it was it was a two and a half [00:40:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay my understanding [00:40:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Is he was not a big fan of [00:40:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The deep fake [00:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Character yeah actually he was [00:40:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of offended by that I he said [00:40:17] [SPEAKER_02]: He and his sweet mates who had all gone to see the movie [00:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Together were so bothered [00:40:21] [SPEAKER_02]: By that they had to go home that night [00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And watch the original again just to kind [00:40:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Of get it out of their system [00:40:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah [00:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So there was that so it was kind of [00:40:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Fun to see that to see [00:40:33] [SPEAKER_02]: That yes he definitely had a lower [00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Negative response that I did I am finding [00:40:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Some people online are having [00:40:39] [SPEAKER_02]: More negative responses [00:40:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Than I expected to film [00:40:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay so I think there's [00:40:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Some that are kind of where you and I [00:40:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Are three stars maybe three and [00:40:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Half depending on where you end up so [00:40:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway alien [00:40:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright let's go on to some [00:40:55] [SPEAKER_02]: News I got one news [00:40:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Item and then I got a trailer to share of [00:40:58] [SPEAKER_02]: A film I was just made aware of I'm curious [00:41:01] [SPEAKER_03]: About is this more than just [00:41:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Music like the Soderbergh trailer was [00:41:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope so I don't know I haven't seen [00:41:07] [SPEAKER_02]: The trailer it could be man Soderbergh [00:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Trailer last week was really [00:41:10] [SPEAKER_03]: A trailer no it's like a teaser [00:41:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Trailer but it was just I mean freaky [00:41:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Music and names on a screen [00:41:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of like just a really high end powerpoint [00:41:19] [SPEAKER_02]: For like you know [00:41:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway [00:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris you brought up a story I [00:41:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Think it was you that brought this up maybe it was [00:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Me no [00:41:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It was me okay I brought the story [00:41:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Up and because you made the joke about [00:41:33] [SPEAKER_02]: The James Addiction song okay oh yeah [00:41:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Darren Aronofsky [00:41:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes shooting a gritty [00:41:39] [SPEAKER_02]: New York City crime thriller [00:41:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Called quote cult stealing [00:41:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay and I said I wanted the James Addiction song [00:41:45] [SPEAKER_02]: To be used there you go Austin [00:41:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Butler and Zoe Kravitz are going to be that [00:41:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So he is filming [00:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That this this month or [00:41:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Next month so September is being filmed right [00:41:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Now it's being produced by Sony it's going to be released [00:41:56] [SPEAKER_02]: In 2025 okay [00:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: However I want to talk about another news item [00:42:01] [SPEAKER_02]: With Mr. Aronofsky that I thought [00:42:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Sounded really really interesting [00:42:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is coming from [00:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: A place [00:42:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I do tend to find some decent [00:42:11] [SPEAKER_02]: News World of Real [00:42:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the name of the website [00:42:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah a couple places I mentioned this too [00:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: There's another site [00:42:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's mention this [00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me get to it [00:42:22] [SPEAKER_02]: There are supposedly talks [00:42:24] [SPEAKER_02]: If you believe the intel that I'm reading [00:42:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Here there are supposedly talks that Darren Aronofsky [00:42:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Is going to make Noah [00:42:31] [SPEAKER_03]: To with Russell [00:42:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Crowe no but this [00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: One might be even more interesting than that [00:42:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay the [00:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: DC [00:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Universe whoa [00:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Just [00:42:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Just right there Aronofsky [00:42:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Having anything to do with a comic book movie [00:42:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright so James Gunn is obviously [00:42:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Now the architect of the [00:42:52] [SPEAKER_02]: DC Comics Universe the movies [00:42:55] [SPEAKER_02]: His first big movie [00:42:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Superman one is supposed to be coming out next year [00:43:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Supposedly there are other movies lined up [00:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That are going to be in this DC Universe [00:43:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That James Gunn is now overseeing [00:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Aronofsky has [00:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Supposedly talked with James Gunn [00:43:11] [SPEAKER_02]: About hopping on board a superhero [00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Project [00:43:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And the name of the project [00:43:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Is Plastic Man [00:43:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So Plastic Man [00:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Plastic Man is a DC Comics [00:43:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Character [00:43:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I just remember from the Saturday morning cartoon [00:43:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I've never read the comic but I remember watching it [00:43:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah yeah yeah [00:43:32] [SPEAKER_02]: He can stretch his body in all different ways [00:43:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And he wears sunglasses [00:43:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He's kind of a comic character [00:43:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of a funny character [00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He can stretch his body and turn into different [00:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Sizes and objects and all that stuff [00:43:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Often gets end up tying in knots [00:43:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah yeah a lot of knots [00:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He's you know in the comics he's been [00:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of a comic relief character a lot of times [00:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: With his series and all [00:43:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But [00:43:57] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a listing on [00:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Production Weekly [00:44:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Aronofsky listed as Director [00:44:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Of Plastic Man which is still in [00:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Development [00:44:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So no actors tied to it [00:44:08] [SPEAKER_02]: No and nobody has come out and officially said [00:44:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That yes he's doing this [00:44:13] But [00:44:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting [00:44:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah because I can't imagine [00:44:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Him doing something [00:44:20] [SPEAKER_03]: A comic movie but even so if he did it [00:44:23] [SPEAKER_03]: That wouldn't be grounded in theory [00:44:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Gritty like I mean we're talking [00:44:27] [SPEAKER_03]: This is the guy who did the wrestler [00:44:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And the whale you know so [00:44:32] Like [00:44:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah just very [00:44:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Bizarre like would he take [00:44:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It and have kind of a more [00:44:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Dark take on Plastic [00:44:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Man okay like you know [00:44:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know [00:44:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Well supposedly James Gunn many years ago [00:44:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Pitched a Plastic Man movie to Warner [00:44:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Brothers interesting with Matthew [00:44:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Lillard in the title role [00:44:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow okay [00:44:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay it says that the studio rejected [00:44:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That pitch but it sounds like Gunn may [00:44:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Now be revisiting this whole project [00:45:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And that it wouldn't even need a green light [00:45:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Since he's the current boss of the ECU so [00:45:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway this is all rumors [00:45:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah Matthew [00:45:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Lillard doing Plastic Man [00:45:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I could actually see that because he did like [00:45:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Drop Dead Fred I think he was [00:45:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a throwback a little bit [00:45:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if he dropped dead Fred yeah yeah [00:45:18] [SPEAKER_03]: No no I think another guy was [00:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: No no [00:45:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Drop Dead Fred was like the imaginary friend [00:45:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Movie right right that was the guy from [00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Australia oh okay I'm like that [00:45:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh one of the no no [00:45:29] [SPEAKER_02]: He was from England he was one of [00:45:32] [SPEAKER_02]: The young ones [00:45:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay yeah so not but [00:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Lillard did Shaggy [00:45:38] [SPEAKER_03]: He did Shaggy in the Scooby Doo movies [00:45:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But taking the kind of [00:45:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Comic approach or zaniness [00:45:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Of Drop Dead Fred it's like different [00:45:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know I can see [00:45:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Matthew Lillard working [00:45:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Suppose that was a pitch years [00:45:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Ago didn't happen but [00:45:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know I'm [00:45:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Very curious if this comes to [00:45:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Be Darren Aronofsky we drop [00:46:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Names sometimes on the show Chris we don't always get background [00:46:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Of people they may not be [00:46:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Aware who we're talking about this is a [00:46:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Pie was one of his first [00:46:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Films that kind of got him on the map [00:46:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Requiem for a Dream Black Swan [00:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The wrestler you mentioned the [00:46:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Whale he did you know [00:46:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Noah Noah which was [00:46:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of had a lot of sci-fi elements [00:46:20] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of big big CGI [00:46:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Spectacle elements to it and both of those [00:46:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's some grounds [00:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: For it anyway [00:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I just thought that sounded interesting [00:46:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We hadn't had a really [00:46:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Comic booky news item [00:46:34] [SPEAKER_02]: In a while so I bring that up as a [00:46:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Potential I'm very very [00:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Curious about that [00:46:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah me too okay [00:46:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sad we don't have a trailer [00:46:44] [SPEAKER_02]: We're way far off from anything [00:46:46] [SPEAKER_02]: With that but we'll see what happens [00:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright let's move on to a [00:46:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Very different type of film and news [00:46:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is actually one that [00:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: The film is done [00:46:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And will be available [00:46:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Soon [00:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have an exact release [00:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Date on this [00:47:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh August 23rd [00:47:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That'd be in three days Chris [00:47:08] [SPEAKER_03]: That's not typically [00:47:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Not a good sign [00:47:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Well but this is an [00:47:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Apple TV plus movie [00:47:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I think okay [00:47:18] [SPEAKER_03]: We just reviewed instigators [00:47:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And that kind of dropped out of my ears [00:47:22] [SPEAKER_02]: No no I'm sorry it's not an Apple TV [00:47:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It is a Sony Pictures classic my bad [00:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah that's not a great sign [00:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is a small [00:47:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Very very small independent film so it may be [00:47:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay sure [00:47:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Jason Schwartzman [00:47:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay it's hitting theaters this weekend [00:47:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes [00:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Between the temples [00:47:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I've just heard the title and I've [00:47:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Heard the premise briefly [00:47:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But comedy right? [00:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so it's [00:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Jason Schwartzman, Carol Cain [00:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And Robert Smeagol [00:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah you would think [00:47:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Drama, comedy maybe some drama [00:47:57] [SPEAKER_02]: In it. We're going to watch the trailer so we'll see [00:48:00] [SPEAKER_02]: The tagline for the [00:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Film is a cantor [00:48:04] [SPEAKER_02]: In a crisis of faith finds his world [00:48:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Turned upside down when his grade school [00:48:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Music teacher reenters his life [00:48:10] [SPEAKER_02]: As his new adult bar mitzvah [00:48:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Student [00:48:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So right away kind of interesting premise [00:48:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It's directed by Nathan Silver [00:48:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Not familiar with anything else he's done [00:48:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I tried looking him up he's done a lot of [00:48:22] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of smaller independent films [00:48:26] [SPEAKER_02]: His films are Thirst Street [00:48:28] [SPEAKER_02]: The Great Pretender [00:48:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And the television series Cutting My Mother [00:48:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I'm not familiar with any of those [00:48:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Me neither [00:48:36] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a film he has directed [00:48:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah [00:48:40] [SPEAKER_02]: My mistake, the trailer's on Apple TV [00:48:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But no it's not an Apple TV [00:48:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Film, it'll be Sony Pictures [00:48:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Classic going to theaters [00:48:48] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you say we watch the trailer [00:48:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Between the temples [00:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Here we go [00:48:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Let us start with the Kabbalat [00:48:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Shabbat service led [00:48:58] [SPEAKER_05]: By our very own Cantor Ben [00:49:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Ya deeet [00:49:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Meh [00:49:07] [SPEAKER_04]: You should probably fire me [00:49:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I would fire me [00:49:09] [SPEAKER_04]: We're not going to do that then [00:49:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Because my moms are both big donors of the temple [00:49:13] [SPEAKER_04]: That is not a small consideration [00:49:24] [SPEAKER_04]: What are you looking at? [00:49:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing, calling me nothing [00:49:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Are you okay? [00:49:32] Mrs. Oaks [00:49:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, so that is the trailer for [00:49:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I already forgot the name [00:49:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Between the temples [00:49:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Chris [00:49:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Thoughts? Interesting [00:49:45] [SPEAKER_03]: It looks like the type [00:49:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Of small film that Schwarzman [00:49:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Would be involved with [00:49:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Was that film [00:49:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Listen Up Phillip and I can't remember the director [00:49:56] [SPEAKER_03]: That was in that but it was an [00:49:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Independent film that kind of had this [00:50:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Guy who was not likeable [00:50:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And Schwarzman played him [00:50:04] [SPEAKER_03]: He was kind of a failed writer [00:50:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Very similar [00:50:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Type film to me [00:50:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But I am interested in seeing [00:50:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Carol Kane because I haven't [00:50:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Liked her as an actress [00:50:16] [SPEAKER_03]: There is promise there [00:50:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess the one thing that worried [00:50:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Two things, A it's coming out [00:50:22] [SPEAKER_03]: This weekend and this is the first time I've heard of it [00:50:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Other than being briefly aware there was a movie [00:50:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But I didn't know what it was [00:50:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And two, I'm afraid the [00:50:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Trailer may have shown too much [00:50:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know they are trying to get [00:50:33] [SPEAKER_03]: You interested because it's their last chance [00:50:35] [SPEAKER_03]: To get you in the theater but I'm interested [00:50:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd like to give it a shot [00:50:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Because especially if it is the type of small film [00:50:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That otherwise is going to go unnoticed [00:50:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it is kind of being dumped here at the end of the summer [00:50:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Who knows? [00:50:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Between the temples [00:50:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Between the temples [00:50:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And what I am curious about right now [00:50:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I am doing a little experiment here while we are sitting here Chris [00:50:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I am curious [00:50:58] [SPEAKER_02]: If it is being released this weekend [00:51:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And we are here at the end of the summer [00:51:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So it means there are still summer movies [00:51:04] [SPEAKER_02]: In the theater but I think [00:51:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien Romulus was probably like the last [00:51:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Big movie before we get to [00:51:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Prestige season [00:51:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So my question is if I look [00:51:14] [SPEAKER_02]: At the show times for our theater this Friday [00:51:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Will that film show up? [00:51:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it will [00:51:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And the answer is [00:51:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm scrolling, I'm scrolling, I'm scrolling [00:51:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And it will [00:51:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Between the temples is playing and Hickory [00:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Will kill on it [00:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So a little tease, we may be reviewing this next week [00:51:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah because really looking at films coming up [00:51:33] [SPEAKER_02]: We can just kind of go ahead and do this [00:51:36] [SPEAKER_02]: While we are doing a little production [00:51:37] [SPEAKER_02]: A little production meeting here [00:51:39] [SPEAKER_02]: We did not review [00:51:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It ends with us which is kind of the [00:51:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Bigger hit movie right now too [00:51:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd like to take a pass on that [00:51:47] [SPEAKER_02]: We also took a pass on Borderlands [00:51:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I was fine with passing on that one [00:51:52] [SPEAKER_02]: We never saw Despicable Me 4 [00:51:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you? I did not [00:51:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you go out and see Despicable Me 4 and not tell me? [00:51:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I did not, I did see Inside Out 2 [00:51:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But I did not see Despicable Me 4 [00:52:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Alien Romulus we've already talked about [00:52:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Deadpool, Wolverine, we have talked about [00:52:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Twisters, we have talked about [00:52:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Trap, we have talked about [00:52:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Inside Out 2 you talked about or saw [00:52:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And then there are movies I have no idea [00:52:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard of them [00:52:14] [SPEAKER_03]: There's some horror movies that are kind of being dumped [00:52:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Stream I think is one of them which [00:52:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, oh you know there is one coming out that [00:52:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious about [00:52:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the Blink Twice [00:52:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The Zoe Kravitz film [00:52:26] [SPEAKER_03]: With what's his face? Gambit [00:52:28] [SPEAKER_03]: That's how I am going to refer to him from now on [00:52:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That is his name now so what's his face [00:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Gambit guy [00:52:35] [SPEAKER_02]: What is his name? [00:52:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I can see his face [00:52:38] [SPEAKER_03]: He was the surprise in Wolverine Deadpool [00:52:40] [SPEAKER_03]: What is his name? I don't know [00:52:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Now that's all I can think of [00:52:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Hold on, no I'm the guy I look it up and see [00:52:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Channing Tatum [00:52:48] [SPEAKER_02]: We are getting sold [00:52:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I know, but it's funny just to call him Gambit [00:52:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that was the role he didn't get [00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So Blink Twice is coming out this weekend [00:52:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious about that [00:52:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Strange Darling [00:53:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Is also a film I am very curious about [00:53:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know anything about that one [00:53:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Willa Fitzgerald [00:53:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Stars in it [00:53:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a [00:53:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It's about Doctor Strange's daughter [00:53:11] [SPEAKER_02]: A twisted one night stand spirals into a serial killer's [00:53:14] [SPEAKER_02]: A vicious murder spree [00:53:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen the trailer [00:53:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It looks really interesting [00:53:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay [00:53:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Giovanni [00:53:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Ribisi [00:53:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the director of photography [00:53:28] [SPEAKER_02]: For the film. He's a producer on it [00:53:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And also the cinematographer [00:53:31] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not aware that skill was in his tool belt [00:53:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You ought to check out the trailer [00:53:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It looks interesting [00:53:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Since we are doing an on air production meeting [00:53:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Alan Jackson [00:53:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Is going to make the call [00:53:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Of what we are going to review next week [00:53:45] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fine. We got a couple of choices [00:53:47] [SPEAKER_02]: We have Blink Twice, Strange Darling [00:53:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Between the temples [00:53:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That seems to be the three [00:53:53] [SPEAKER_02]: All three are playing at our local multiplex this weekend [00:53:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to make Alan Jackson make the call [00:53:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, one I will not be [00:54:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Opting for us to do because it just [00:54:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Does not look good [00:54:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the new Crow [00:54:05] [SPEAKER_03]: That is a new release [00:54:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But I, yeah [00:54:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't look good [00:54:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I have to hear other people I trust [00:54:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Come back and tell me it's actually good [00:54:14] [SPEAKER_02]: For me to consider [00:54:15] [SPEAKER_02]: At this point, everything I've seen and heard [00:54:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And felt about it doesn't feel good [00:54:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So those are all the new releases coming out this weekend [00:54:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Of the three [00:54:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Blink Twice, Strange Darling, In Between the temples [00:54:27] [SPEAKER_02]: One of those three [00:54:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Will be the ones we discuss next week [00:54:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay Chris [00:54:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Meeting done. Meeting adjourned [00:54:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go right into the last thing [00:54:37] [SPEAKER_02]: We've got today which is your [00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Recommendation [00:54:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris watches movies [00:54:42] [SPEAKER_02]: We all watch movies but Chris gets to watch movies [00:54:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And [00:54:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Normally has very good taste in picking movies [00:54:49] [SPEAKER_02]: To watch and then [00:54:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say you bet a pretty high average on the ones [00:54:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You pick to watch you are [00:54:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You like or you would really want to recommend [00:54:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You have good discerning taste [00:54:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You have seen a film recently [00:55:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That you'd like to share with us and recommend [00:55:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So what would that be? [00:55:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to [00:55:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Usually I try to also vary up [00:55:08] [SPEAKER_03]: The services that I recommend because I don't want to seem like [00:55:10] [SPEAKER_03]: We are not in the pocket [00:55:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Of any corporate streaming [00:55:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Service like Hulu or Netflix you know [00:55:16] [SPEAKER_03]: If anyone wants to sponsor the show come on [00:55:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But we're not [00:55:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Last time, last episode I did [00:55:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Recommend something that was streaming on Netflix [00:55:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Film today that I'm going to recommend [00:55:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Daughters it's a 2024 release [00:55:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Just recently released on Netflix [00:55:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's two in a row that I'm doing on Netflix [00:55:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know hey can't help it [00:55:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw it just recently [00:55:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And I liked it I'll read you a little [00:55:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Bit of a description what it's about [00:55:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a documentary for young [00:55:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Girls prepare for a special [00:55:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Daddy daughter dance with their [00:55:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Incarcerated fathers as part of a unique [00:55:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Fatherhood program [00:55:50] [SPEAKER_03]: In a Washington DC jail [00:55:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Reminded me a little bit of the black and white [00:55:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Film from two or three years ago [00:55:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Time which was a documentary that [00:55:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Was also good I think it may have been [00:56:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually nominated for an Oscar maybe [00:56:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But this one is directed by [00:56:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Two from what I can tell first time [00:56:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Directors Angela Patton [00:56:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And Natalie Ray [00:56:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Got some awards at Sundance [00:56:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I think that's where Netflix [00:56:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Snatched it up from and [00:56:18] [SPEAKER_03]: They've now released it and I think it's only been out [00:56:19] [SPEAKER_03]: For a week or so [00:56:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I really really enjoyed it [00:56:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Although [00:56:25] [SPEAKER_03]: You can say oh it's kind of familiar [00:56:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Incarcerated father and you kind of see [00:56:30] [SPEAKER_03]: From the description or hear from the description [00:56:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It kind of obviously sets [00:56:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Up this tension of okay [00:56:36] [SPEAKER_03]: These fathers who have been incarcerated [00:56:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Are going to get to see their daughters got it [00:56:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of know yes there [00:56:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Were some Kleenexes involved [00:56:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Tears involved but [00:56:46] [SPEAKER_03]: The patience with which they set [00:56:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Things up and [00:56:50] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like the final moments of the film [00:56:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Are that dance and like maybe [00:56:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the immediate aftermath five minutes and then cut [00:56:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But nope you get [00:56:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You get more than that [00:56:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just really I think [00:57:02] [SPEAKER_03]: If I remember correctly [00:57:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Reading somewhere [00:57:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It took eight years to make this [00:57:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow [00:57:08] [SPEAKER_03]: They took that time [00:57:12] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a lot of time [00:57:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Invested in the telling of this film [00:57:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like it shows [00:57:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Also [00:57:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I will say maybe it drops off a little bit [00:57:22] [SPEAKER_03]: When we get to the dance [00:57:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe as far as [00:57:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Cinematography but the early [00:57:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Going let's say like the first [00:57:30] [SPEAKER_03]: 20 30 minutes of this film [00:57:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's got some really [00:57:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Great moving [00:57:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Imagery cinematography just beautiful [00:57:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes it's [00:57:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Nature just different things that are just very [00:57:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Very cool [00:57:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And very well done that you would expect to see [00:57:47] [SPEAKER_03]: More than like a narrative film [00:57:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Than you would [00:57:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Documentary so [00:57:52] [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of talent going on there [00:57:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I recommend daughters [00:57:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like I said it's 2024 release [00:57:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It's on Netflix so [00:58:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Check it out [00:58:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright that is daughters on [00:58:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Netflix this is recommendation [00:58:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Of a film to check out [00:58:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Excellent thank you very much [00:58:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That will do it for today [00:58:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So our review of Alien Romulus [00:58:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Our discussion of Between the [00:58:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Temples upcoming film [00:58:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Discussion of Aronofsky [00:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Doing plastic man [00:58:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows maybe one we have to retract [00:58:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Later I'm feeling [00:58:26] [SPEAKER_02]: More and more that maybe some fanboy [00:58:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Has just come up with that idea and threw it out there [00:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And tried to get buzz out of it [00:58:32] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what it's fun just to think about [00:58:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Whether or not it comes to fruition that's [00:58:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Fun to think about and then Chris's [00:58:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Recommendation so lots to cover [00:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Today lots that have been done [00:58:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris if anybody has any feedback [00:58:44] 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[SPEAKER_03]: You can go look at the films we're [00:59:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Going to show get tickets [00:59:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be our tenth year it's going to be a [00:59:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Great one we'd love to have you come [00:59:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Join us all right [01:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Well that will wrap us up for today thanks [01:00:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody for watching or listening I guess [01:00:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Listening we don't do anything visual so [01:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to see Chris and I so no [01:00:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Just hearing is fine but thanks so much [01:00:10] [SPEAKER_02]: For listening and we will look forward to talking to you [01:00:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Next time take care [01:00:13] [SPEAKER_02]: See you in the ticket line [01:00:17] Watch [01:00:17] [SPEAKER_06]: They get to Carmichael [01:00:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Famous [01:00:38] [SPEAKER_06]: When grandpa would watch films [01:00:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Out of the reverence 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