12th Annual Business Lessons From the Movies

It’s a holiday tradition and it’s back…the Entrepreneur Exchange “Business Lessons from the Movies” Podtacular edition, as Alan Jackson and Chris Frye with the Footcandle Film Society, join hosts Jeff Neuville and Gary Muller to share movie recommendations that have a business lesson takeaway. We love the holidays but just in case you need a break from the in-laws, these movies will entertain and give you something to think about. Plus you get a helping of small businesses of the month and a holiday edition of the lightning round to fill up your Xmas gift bag. It’s all here on this month’s Entrepreneur Exchange on The MESH podcast network!

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[00:00:02] What you want, when you want it, where you want it. This is The MESH.

[00:00:12] Welcome to the Entrepreneur Exchange on The MESH Podcast Network.

[00:00:16] A monthly conversation about startups and small business with ideas, tools, and advice to operate your business more effectively.

[00:00:24] On today's show, you've been waiting for it. It's our annual holiday, Business Lessons from the Movies, Podtacular Edition.

[00:00:32] And we'll be joined by the founders of the Foot Candle Film Society, Alan Jackson and Chris Fry.

[00:00:38] We'll give you some movie ideas to make it through the holidays with a minimum of awkward conversation with your in-laws.

[00:00:46] Plus, our Small Business of the Month feature, where we'll highlight some small businesses to check out.

[00:00:51] Plus, we're going to put Alan and Chris through our regular fast questions, fast answers.

[00:01:00] We'll do our best to embarrass them.

[00:01:01] My name is Jeff Neuvel. I'm your co-host.

[00:01:04] I'm director of the Manufacturing Solutions Center in Conover, North Carolina.

[00:01:08] I'm joined by my co-host, Gary Muller, who is Executive Dean of Economic Development and Corporate Education

[00:01:14] at Catawba Valley Community College in Hickory, North Carolina.

[00:01:17] Gary, how's it going today?

[00:01:19] It's going great.

[00:01:21] It's cold and sunny here, so it's getting us in the Christmas spirit, and I'm ready for it.

[00:01:29] Well, here in western North Carolina, we never know what sort of weather to expect.

[00:01:34] Today, the high is like 40 degrees, and we're shivering.

[00:01:38] Tomorrow, it might be 75.

[00:01:39] Who knows?

[00:01:40] We get a wide variety of weather here, but we're here in early December,

[00:01:45] so we're always happy to enjoy the holidays, and we like to enjoy them,

[00:01:50] with our friends from the Foot Candle Film Society, Chris Fry and Alan Jackson.

[00:01:56] Fellows, how are you guys doing?

[00:01:59] Good.

[00:01:59] Doing well.

[00:02:00] Sorry, I wasn't sure who was going first.

[00:02:02] So, Chris, go ahead.

[00:02:02] You do your niceties first.

[00:02:05] I always enjoy coming and doing this episode because I always love talking about movies,

[00:02:09] so I look forward to it.

[00:02:11] And I'm taking a little inspiration from one of Alan's picks last year where he picked kind of Barbie,

[00:02:17] and I felt like it was kind of out of the blue, but then he kind of brought in it.

[00:02:20] It really made sense.

[00:02:21] So, one of the picks I'll be doing, I feel like maybe a stretch, but I don't think so.

[00:02:25] Well, I'm sure you can contort yourself to help us come up with some sort of business-related things.

[00:02:30] And I will say, I did watch the Barbie movie, and I named my fantasy football team Jeff's Mojo Dojo Casa House.

[00:02:39] Perfect.

[00:02:39] Until we went on a five-game losing streak, and I had to change it.

[00:02:43] Oh, no.

[00:02:43] I had to change it.

[00:02:43] Oh, no.

[00:02:44] But it has nothing to do with the name.

[00:02:45] The name is incredible.

[00:02:46] It improved a little bit.

[00:02:48] I think it had more to do with Tyreek Hill than the name, but anyway.

[00:02:52] I've been in the process with my kids helping them set up Wi-Fi networks at their apartments and places where they live.

[00:02:58] And before they know it, I call all of them Alex's Mojo Dojo Casa House.

[00:03:04] Yeah.

[00:03:04] So, that's always the go-to now.

[00:03:07] I didn't see the movie.

[00:03:09] Are you guys cussing at me?

[00:03:10] Yes.

[00:03:10] We are.

[00:03:11] We're going to do that later.

[00:03:13] Once we hear your movies, Gary.

[00:03:14] Well, that's for sure.

[00:03:17] Well, Alan and Chris are co-founders of the Foot Candle Film Society, which is a non-profit group

[00:03:23] which brings critically acclaimed movies to our area on a monthly basis.

[00:03:28] And we very much enjoy and appreciate that as a member of the Foot Candle Film Society.

[00:03:33] And they also have their own podcast, Foot Candle Film, which you can find here on the Mesh Podcast Network

[00:03:41] as well as Apple, Spotify, and the usual podcast locations.

[00:03:44] So, we always enjoy seeing you guys, good friends and partners.

[00:03:48] And I think we all enjoy getting together for this annual event.

[00:03:53] Agreed.

[00:03:53] That's where I get some culture because you guys know movies.

[00:03:56] That's where we're here.

[00:03:57] We're here to spread some culture.

[00:03:58] So, for our listeners, our premise that we have each year is that we love spending time with our family,

[00:04:07] friends over the holidays.

[00:04:08] But there could be a time during the holidays when you're just a little tired of talking

[00:04:14] and you need to put something on the TV, whether it be Netflix or Amazon or Apple or whatnot or HBO Max.

[00:04:23] And we want to give you some ideas of movies that you can be watching that we're going to try to connect

[00:04:28] to some sort of lesson for business people as well.

[00:04:31] So, that's sort of what we're here to do.

[00:04:33] So, we'll give you some movie recommendations and sort of tell you what we think the business lesson might be associated with it.

[00:04:40] And you can watch them at your own risk.

[00:04:43] So, Chris, do you want to get us going here?

[00:04:46] Yes.

[00:04:46] And I'll start off with the one that I was kind of referencing.

[00:04:49] I'm going to recommend Conclave.

[00:04:51] And this is a movie that came out this year.

[00:04:53] It's directed by Edward Berger.

[00:04:55] It stars Ray Fine, Stanley Tucci, John Lithgow, Isabella Rossellini.

[00:04:59] And what it's about is it's about the Catholic Church, specifically in Rome, and a pope passes away.

[00:05:08] And then it is about who is going to succeed him.

[00:05:10] So, you know, with businesses, succession planning, very important.

[00:05:16] Catholic Church, I mean, it is a church organization, but it is also in many ways kind of a business.

[00:05:20] They have leaders.

[00:05:21] They all have roles they have to perform.

[00:05:22] I think you're right on.

[00:05:23] I think that's a great thing.

[00:05:24] And when something happens, they kind of have to go, okay, who's going to take over?

[00:05:29] And, of course, there are divisions within the Cardinals about who they think should be it.

[00:05:34] And they each have their own little kind of silo where they have to somehow come together.

[00:05:39] And they have to vote and kind of get a consensus and choose a new leader.

[00:05:44] So it is based on a book that was kind of set up as a thriller.

[00:05:47] So it does have some intrigue and stuff.

[00:05:49] But I think it's, you know, considering succession planning is important.

[00:05:54] Have either of you guys seen this movie?

[00:05:56] Not yet.

[00:05:57] Not, but I've thought about it.

[00:05:58] I've seen the previews for this movie.

[00:06:00] I don't think it's available on my television quite yet.

[00:06:03] Not yet.

[00:06:04] Yet.

[00:06:04] Probably soon, but it's still playing in theaters right now.

[00:06:07] It's actually doing pretty well box office-wise.

[00:06:10] It is very good.

[00:06:10] I've actually seen it twice now.

[00:06:12] And really, I agree with Chris.

[00:06:15] It's good.

[00:06:15] Chris, it also adds on one other element, which I think is interesting too.

[00:06:18] It's the notion of the values of leadership.

[00:06:22] Because there are three or four cardinals kind of vying for this role of being appointed

[00:06:29] the new pope.

[00:06:30] And you come to learn, or the person we're following, the cardinal who's kind of in charge

[00:06:35] of this process, the one played by Ray Fiennes, has to do a lot of searching and researching

[00:06:41] and kind of exploring and understanding these other cardinals to make sure that he knows

[00:06:46] what it is that their values are, what they're bringing to the church if they were being anointed

[00:06:51] a pope.

[00:06:52] So it is a little bit of making some good leadership decisions on the right people based

[00:06:56] on the right values.

[00:06:57] And without spoiling anything, because neither one of you have seen the movie.

[00:07:00] I don't know if our listeners have or not.

[00:07:01] But there is someone that is in the running, and then certain things come to light.

[00:07:06] And although they would be a fabulous leader, they're like, no, because these things would

[00:07:12] come to light after you became a leader, and it would not be good for the Catholic Church.

[00:07:16] So sorry.

[00:07:17] And then they kind of have to have this mutual like, yeah, you're right.

[00:07:20] And he has to step aside.

[00:07:21] So it's all, yeah, there's a lot of lessons that can be learned.

[00:07:25] And absolutely no relations to anything going on in our country politically or anything else.

[00:07:30] There's nothing like that about trying to vet people to be in certain positions and people

[00:07:36] banding around different candidates.

[00:07:37] No, there's nothing like that.

[00:07:38] It sounds like a lot of palace intrigue, which in business, you run into that as well.

[00:07:45] Well, it was really interesting to think.

[00:07:47] I mean, obviously, church organizations are organizations, church-based groups and religious

[00:07:53] faith do have a business component behind them.

[00:07:56] And I always think it's fascinating when you see some of that business machinations going

[00:08:01] on within such a powerful structure.

[00:08:05] And yeah, so I thought the movie was really interesting for that.

[00:08:08] I think one of my favorite actors, Stanley Tucci, is in it as well.

[00:08:12] Yes.

[00:08:12] He's great.

[00:08:13] He's very good.

[00:08:14] All right.

[00:08:15] Does it have a happy ending?

[00:08:16] You know me.

[00:08:17] I always have happy endings.

[00:08:19] It has an interesting ending.

[00:08:21] I'll say that.

[00:08:22] It is.

[00:08:22] It can be.

[00:08:23] I'm not sure what a happy ending is.

[00:08:24] I think it's seen as positive.

[00:08:25] I think you can see it as positive.

[00:08:26] Yeah.

[00:08:27] Yeah.

[00:08:27] But it's definitely not a dark.

[00:08:28] No, it's not a depressing, dark ending or anything like that.

[00:08:31] Remember, I grew up Catholic.

[00:08:33] I'm not saying anything, Gary.

[00:08:35] No.

[00:08:36] You don't have to say anything.

[00:08:38] I'm not sure if kids would want to, because I don't know if they'd be, but it is PG.

[00:08:42] Yeah, it is PG.

[00:08:44] Sorry, it's no Wolf of Wall Street, Gary.

[00:08:47] Oh, you stole it.

[00:08:48] That's how I was going to stop.

[00:08:49] But, you know, you might still enjoy it.

[00:08:51] I don't know.

[00:08:52] So the Cardinals aren't throwing a lot of Vefmoms around behind closed doors?

[00:08:55] No.

[00:08:56] Good for them.

[00:08:56] Pretty clean.

[00:08:57] That's good to know.

[00:08:58] Oh, that's the positive.

[00:08:58] I agree.

[00:08:59] I like to think that that's the way they actually talk, so that's good.

[00:09:03] All right.

[00:09:04] All right.

[00:09:05] Thank you, Chris.

[00:09:06] Alan, what do you have to recommend?

[00:09:08] Yeah, so both of mine are going to be a little personal to me.

[00:09:14] I mean, they are business lessons.

[00:09:16] I do feel like there's some good lessons to pull from them, but they are movies I like for

[00:09:21] very personal reasons.

[00:09:22] So the one I'm going to recommend right now is a film called Saturday Night.

[00:09:27] It did come out this year.

[00:09:29] It is about Saturday Night Live, the television show.

[00:09:31] So I am a huge Saturday Night Live fan, have been since probably early mid-80s, grew up

[00:09:40] on it, college, every Saturday night in college, me and friends in the dorm were all crowded

[00:09:46] around the TV watching.

[00:09:47] I mean, it's just, it was our thing.

[00:09:49] And so I haven't missed an episode in, gosh, I don't know, 30 some years, 40 years almost.

[00:09:55] So I was excited when I heard there was going to be a movie about the first night that this

[00:09:59] show premiered.

[00:10:00] It was just called Saturday Night at that time.

[00:10:03] So henceforth, the movie Saturday Night.

[00:10:05] So this movie is a, quote, real time.

[00:10:09] It's not really.

[00:10:11] There's a lot of, there is some fabrication having to go on to make this work as a movie.

[00:10:17] Nothing happened exactly the way the movie's showing the night of this first broadcast.

[00:10:21] But it being a live show, it being a very unique show that nobody had ever really thought

[00:10:26] about or heard of up until that point.

[00:10:29] So you're following the 90 some minutes before they go live at 1130 that night.

[00:10:34] And of course, there's a lot of chaos.

[00:10:36] There's a lot of, you know, personalities involved.

[00:10:39] You've got all these famous, soon to be famous actors, although they weren't famous at the

[00:10:43] time.

[00:10:43] Dan Aykroyd, John Belushi, you know, Gilda Radner, some of the Chevy Chase.

[00:10:48] But nobody knew who these people were.

[00:10:51] And then you had Lauren Michaels, who is kind of the producer of the show, the executive

[00:10:55] director.

[00:10:56] He's the one with the vision and making it all happen.

[00:11:00] Where I think it's really interesting from a business perspective is I love this kind of

[00:11:04] movie where somebody is trying to creatively produce something, something making something

[00:11:09] happen.

[00:11:09] Something that's a little new and fresh is battling against all the forces of people that

[00:11:14] don't get it or don't understand it or want to get in the way or want to make it more of

[00:11:20] what they're expecting it to be as opposed to anybody else.

[00:11:23] Or they want to see you fail.

[00:11:25] Well, there's that too.

[00:11:26] There's a whole subplot of this.

[00:11:28] That happens in business.

[00:11:29] Yeah, where there is a faction of people that kind of want to see this show fail.

[00:11:33] They're basically setting it up for failure.

[00:11:35] So you're getting a lot of that backroom intrigue going on.

[00:11:38] You've got a lot of hallway conversations where people are finding out, wait a minute,

[00:11:42] this group doesn't want this to succeed for this reason.

[00:11:45] And we've got to make this work.

[00:11:47] Then you following Lauren Michaels, who relatively young, somewhat inexperienced guy trying to

[00:11:53] pull this together, having to manage diverse personalities with these, these

[00:11:59] up and coming actors and performers, the mechanics of just putting on a live show at a very unique

[00:12:06] setting.

[00:12:06] It's just all this coming together.

[00:12:08] It's there's a lot to pull from it.

[00:12:10] I mean, as we know, they were successful.

[00:12:12] The show's been around for coming up on 50 years, 50 years, 50 years, 50 years actually

[00:12:17] this year.

[00:12:17] Yeah, this is the 50th year.

[00:12:19] And so obviously it's been successful.

[00:12:21] So spoiler alert, you know, the show does actually go on that night.

[00:12:25] But, um, I still think it was really fascinating to just watch the management decisions having

[00:12:32] to be made.

[00:12:33] And let me even boil it down to this.

[00:12:35] So, uh, at the beginning of the movie, they're leaning up to the show, you know, they, every

[00:12:41] sketch or every bit that they're going to put on the show, they have as a note card on a

[00:12:45] big board.

[00:12:46] So they're putting these note cards up and they're trying to figure out which sketches

[00:12:49] are going to go on and what sequence and what order.

[00:12:51] And at the beginning of the movie, that board is chock full with probably like 30 or 40 of

[00:12:56] these note cards.

[00:12:57] And everybody passing by is like, there's no way we're going to be able to do all this in

[00:13:01] the first show.

[00:13:02] So Lorne Michaels over the course of the movie has happened to determine what to cut, what

[00:13:07] to let fall by the wayside.

[00:13:09] Billy Crystal got cut.

[00:13:11] He had a sketch, he had a bit all set up to go and got cut, uh, minutes before they

[00:13:17] went live.

[00:13:18] And that is a true story.

[00:13:20] And just to think somebody who became as famous as Billy Crystal didn't make the cut, but you

[00:13:25] as a manager, Lorne Michaels having to make those judgment calls, it's tough, but having

[00:13:29] to make those decisions and having to make them under the pressure of time as well.

[00:13:33] It was, uh, I thought it was a exhilarating movie.

[00:13:36] It's not a perfect movie.

[00:13:37] There's a lot of, there's a lot of flaws with it, but, and there's a lot of stretching

[00:13:40] of reality of what really happened.

[00:13:42] But for somebody like me who loved that type of, uh, that loves the show and loves this

[00:13:48] whole, what's going on behind the scenes.

[00:13:50] I think it was fascinating.

[00:13:51] So yeah.

[00:13:53] Did Billy Crystal get his sketch the next one?

[00:13:56] I mean, we obviously know what happened in the future.

[00:13:57] He eventually made it on the Saturday Night Live.

[00:13:59] He came out of the way.

[00:14:00] I know he made it.

[00:14:01] Yeah.

[00:14:02] That was a really interesting part.

[00:14:04] Cause I mean, they were ready to go.

[00:14:05] He and his partner had it all.

[00:14:07] They're set.

[00:14:07] They're ready to go.

[00:14:08] And, you know, Lauren Michaels approaches him at one point and says, Billy, uh, can you

[00:14:12] do your sketch in five minutes instead of the seven or so that you want it?

[00:14:17] And Billy's like, I can get down to three, but no more than three.

[00:14:20] And then later on, Lauren's like, you've got two minutes.

[00:14:22] And Billy Crystal's like, I can't do it.

[00:14:24] It's like, well, sorry, you're out.

[00:14:26] So it's just, again, it's those whole management decisions under pressure having to make and

[00:14:32] dealing with so many disparate things going on at one time.

[00:14:35] It was, uh, it was fun to watch.

[00:14:37] I think there's some lessons to pull from it of just how to, how to deal with people,

[00:14:41] how to deal with pressure, um, how to stand by what you believe is right.

[00:14:45] Even if others are questioning it or trying to throw roadblocks in your way.

[00:14:49] Um, yeah, I, I liked it quite a bit.

[00:14:51] So, and I think this one is still in the theaters.

[00:14:53] Uh, it is, it may be kind of winding down its theater run, but I think it's still playing

[00:14:57] in some places.

[00:14:58] Uh, I highly recommend it.

[00:15:00] That's another one I saw twice.

[00:15:01] So, and Chris, well, I got a curiosity.

[00:15:04] What was your take on the movie?

[00:15:05] I assume you've seen it.

[00:15:06] Oh yes.

[00:15:07] Um, I, I went in with very high expectations and I was a little let down.

[00:15:14] Um, it was more, if you like the West wing, you guys are familiar with that long running

[00:15:18] TV show.

[00:15:19] I never actually watched an episode of it, but I know Aaron Sorkin and I know the whole

[00:15:23] dynamic behind it.

[00:15:24] Like, cause he's gone on to write movies.

[00:15:26] Um, this to me felt like an, what if the West wing was taking place at 30 rock, which is where

[00:15:32] they do Saturday night live because it's a lot of walking and talking in hallways and everything.

[00:15:35] And I wanted a little bit more like, I don't know, substance as opposed to just being stressed

[00:15:41] for how, but I know, like Alan said, the outcome, I know everything ends up being okay.

[00:15:46] Um, are you, are you a Saturday night live fan?

[00:15:48] I am.

[00:15:49] I am.

[00:15:51] Interestingly, I think you, I think you really have to be a huge fan to enjoy it because

[00:15:56] there's a lot of like in jokes and they don't sometimes don't state who people are.

[00:16:01] And I know who they were because they look like, look enough like Lorraine Newman.

[00:16:04] And my wife's like, who's that?

[00:16:05] And I'm like, Oh, you have to be a little bit more familiar with it.

[00:16:09] But if you're a Saturday night live fan, I would say watch it.

[00:16:13] And business lessons, absolutely.

[00:16:16] Cause dealing with all those moving parts and, uh, usually most businesses at some point

[00:16:22] have an amount of stress and having to deal with that stress and still have an output

[00:16:27] product that you're trying to promote.

[00:16:29] Yeah.

[00:16:30] Just management of that and still getting it done by a deadline.

[00:16:34] So yeah, it's interesting.

[00:16:36] It wasn't, I didn't, wasn't as high on it as Alan, but it's still worth checking out.

[00:16:39] Well, it's, it's on my list to see as well.

[00:16:41] And I'm a, I'm a pretty big SNL fan.

[00:16:44] I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on it.

[00:16:45] I'm the same.

[00:16:46] I'm a big fan too.

[00:16:48] Good, good.

[00:16:48] So I should be online here pretty soon.

[00:16:50] It's pretty soon.

[00:16:51] You should be able to see it.

[00:16:52] Yeah.

[00:16:52] All right, Gary, what, uh, what recommendations?

[00:16:54] After those great ones on mine, you know, I don't have a Wolf of Wall Street or Pretty

[00:16:59] Woman, as you mentioned in your presentation.

[00:17:02] You have, you have run the gamut of movies you've recommended.

[00:17:07] Well, thank you.

[00:17:08] Yeah.

[00:17:08] It's great.

[00:17:09] It's great.

[00:17:10] How you twist yourself to make the business less.

[00:17:14] Okay.

[00:17:15] So the fall guy.

[00:17:17] Oh.

[00:17:18] Yeah.

[00:17:19] Yes.

[00:17:19] Absolutely.

[00:17:20] Almost thought of that.

[00:17:21] Yeah.

[00:17:22] Because of all the, well, all the things we talk about, but I mean, I'm going through,

[00:17:25] I really enjoyed the movie.

[00:17:27] I thought it was great.

[00:17:28] My wife did too.

[00:17:29] And it was a great movie, but there are a lot of lessons.

[00:17:33] I mean, you're learning, or you're getting glimpses of.

[00:17:39] You're learning, you know, the industry and, you know, and the actors or the employees that

[00:17:43] are in it that can get sort of pushed to the side.

[00:17:48] You might've been great one moment.

[00:17:50] You're not because you can't do what you used to be able to do.

[00:17:54] And this is, this is the, the stunt man.

[00:17:57] Oh, I'm sorry.

[00:17:58] Ryan Gosling.

[00:17:59] And Emily Blunt.

[00:18:00] And they were great together.

[00:18:01] Yeah.

[00:18:02] A, a, a quote, reboot of an old TV show.

[00:18:06] Yeah.

[00:18:07] Which I was a big fan of the TV show.

[00:18:08] Yeah.

[00:18:09] Lee Majors.

[00:18:10] And he's, he's at the end.

[00:18:12] Yeah.

[00:18:12] He is.

[00:18:13] Well, spoiler, but that's good.

[00:18:14] No, he's at, I think it's fine now.

[00:18:16] The movie's been out for a while.

[00:18:17] We can spoil people.

[00:18:18] I don't think I met you.

[00:18:19] I don't think I met you.

[00:18:19] We don't know what's in it.

[00:18:20] You don't know how.

[00:18:21] It's going through and you don't know how.

[00:18:21] My wife had to tell me.

[00:18:23] Oh, that was it.

[00:18:23] Oh, yeah.

[00:18:25] I'm not familiar with the TV show.

[00:18:26] So I did not make that connection.

[00:18:28] Yeah.

[00:18:29] So it came on right after the A team.

[00:18:31] So that's how I remember.

[00:18:32] Yeah.

[00:18:32] It did.

[00:18:32] It was in that block of TV shows.

[00:18:35] Yeah.

[00:18:35] I mean, I like Mr. T or else, you know, you're going to like Mr. T.

[00:18:38] Well, I think you're right, Gary.

[00:18:40] It is really interesting movie about the movie making business, especially more specifically

[00:18:47] stuntman, being a stuntman in that business, but understanding the dynamics of, you know, having

[00:18:52] to secure the jobs that you get and how, you know, how the production of the business depends

[00:18:57] on you.

[00:18:57] Yeah, exactly.

[00:18:58] So I thought there was some good, there's some good notes from that.

[00:19:00] I considered that movie as well this year.

[00:19:02] Yeah.

[00:19:03] God bless.

[00:19:04] Yeah.

[00:19:05] I really enjoyed.

[00:19:07] That was a fun, a fun popcorn movie.

[00:19:09] That's exactly.

[00:19:10] I was looking back at some of the comments made and that's exactly how people described

[00:19:15] it.

[00:19:15] It was a fun movie.

[00:19:16] You walk out and you feel good.

[00:19:18] Yeah.

[00:19:19] Yeah.

[00:19:19] But I did learn what they were telling me about the movie business and I think about,

[00:19:25] you know, like stuntman, that's a tough job.

[00:19:27] It is and it's very underappreciated.

[00:19:30] There's a perfect word.

[00:19:31] And I think not this year at the Academy Awards, but I think maybe the following year they're

[00:19:34] actually going to start having an Academy Award for best stunts because they feel like,

[00:19:39] hey, these people work really hard.

[00:19:40] They need to be appreciated.

[00:19:41] Yeah.

[00:19:42] Exactly.

[00:19:43] Not very good.

[00:19:44] That's good.

[00:19:45] All right.

[00:19:46] I'm going off brand for me.

[00:19:48] Oh, no.

[00:19:49] All right.

[00:19:50] And I have some guilt in doing this, particularly for the movie critics in my presence.

[00:19:57] But somehow I got sucked into watching a movie on Amazon Prime called Saving Paradise.

[00:20:06] And it's, it's, I'm recommending it because it's an incredibly wholesome Christmas movie

[00:20:13] that people of all ages can watch.

[00:20:16] It made me think of my, I was very close to one of my grandmothers and it's the sort of

[00:20:20] movie that I could watch with her and she would just love it.

[00:20:24] Very happy and, you know, nice.

[00:20:26] And, you know, and actually one time some neighbors when I was with my grandmother invited us to

[00:20:32] watch this new cool movie, Pretty Woman.

[00:20:35] Not a movie I enjoyed watching with my grandmother.

[00:20:37] Yeah.

[00:20:39] I haven't ever watched it with my grandmother.

[00:20:41] But, uh, so Saving Paradise is about this, uh, pencil manufacturing company in small town,

[00:20:49] Tennessee.

[00:20:49] And apparently there's some, uh, based on our true story that, uh, is going to go out of

[00:20:55] business because of financial issues.

[00:20:57] Um, the father's running the company has some health issues.

[00:21:01] The son who is a big city, New York financier, very evil has to come and try to, uh, do something

[00:21:09] with the company.

[00:21:10] Maybe he's going to sell it and move the production overseas.

[00:21:13] Maybe, maybe there's a young woman who used to know in high school, who's now the CFO,

[00:21:19] who's very attractive and they might want to rekindle their romance.

[00:21:24] Um, you know, and-

[00:21:25] You're saying maybe or that this is-

[00:21:27] I don't want to give it away.

[00:21:28] Yeah, I'm planning on watching it tonight.

[00:21:30] So don't tell me.

[00:21:32] Don't tell me what happens.

[00:21:33] You know, I think this could have been a Hallmark movie.

[00:21:35] It might have come from there.

[00:21:35] I was going to say, it sounds like some of mine.

[00:21:37] Uh, you know, so very, very wholesome.

[00:21:42] Uh, you can watch it with the entire family.

[00:21:44] I think they might've said shit once.

[00:21:47] Sorry.

[00:21:47] But, uh, uh-

[00:21:49] And we had to match it on the podcast here.

[00:21:50] So we got the one, the one drop in.

[00:21:52] There you go.

[00:21:52] So, uh, you know, but I will say, you know, if, if you are,

[00:21:56] of a more cynical mindset, you could make it some sort of drinking game

[00:22:00] for the cliches that are, that are riddled throughout the movie.

[00:22:04] The evil New York financier saying that once you make partner,

[00:22:07] you get a Butler 950 toilet.

[00:22:10] I'm not sure what that is, but it sounds like something

[00:22:12] that I might ask for for this Christmas.

[00:22:14] Uh, they talk about the strategy of buying assets

[00:22:17] and tearing apart companies as the old pump and dump.

[00:22:20] Uh, you know, they're talking about moving production to China,

[00:22:23] rating penches funds.

[00:22:25] Uh, one of the companies are targeting the owner has cancer.

[00:22:28] So the evil guy says, the timing is even better.

[00:22:31] They're ready to sell.

[00:22:32] So, you know, it's, we have a small family held company

[00:22:35] with a rainbow of diversity, uh, including a rain man type person

[00:22:40] who's on the spectrum.

[00:22:41] So we try to do an employee stock owned, uh,

[00:22:45] own stock ownership plan in 24 hours without lawyers.

[00:22:48] It's got a lot of cool stuff in it.

[00:22:49] Wow.

[00:22:50] Yeah.

[00:22:50] So I'm, that's about everything you can think of for the house.

[00:22:53] So, uh, you know, the, the business lesson from this movie

[00:22:58] is that, uh, we find at the end that businesses

[00:23:02] are more than just numbers.

[00:23:03] They're about our people and keeping our people working

[00:23:06] and working together to solve these problems.

[00:23:09] There are some similar movies out there.

[00:23:11] If you want a little bit more comedy

[00:23:13] and a little bit more off color,

[00:23:15] if you ever see Tommy boy with Chris Farley

[00:23:18] or maybe gung ho with Michael Keaton

[00:23:21] of how we're saving these old plants

[00:23:23] and, uh, you know, putting people back to work,

[00:23:26] you might get a laugh.

[00:23:28] But if you want to sit down with your family

[00:23:29] and just have something that everyone can watch,

[00:23:33] saving paradise.

[00:23:34] Okay.

[00:23:35] Amazon prime.

[00:23:36] All right.

[00:23:36] Very cool.

[00:23:37] Um, have we ever,

[00:23:39] has anybody ever recommended gung ho on this, uh,

[00:23:42] this podcast spectacular?

[00:23:43] I was thinking the same thing when you said that

[00:23:44] because that is a great one.

[00:23:44] Why have we not?

[00:23:45] Next year.

[00:23:45] Right.

[00:23:46] Okay.

[00:23:46] I'm claiming it.

[00:23:48] Nobody else can do it next year.

[00:23:49] Okay.

[00:23:49] I got it.

[00:23:49] All right.

[00:23:50] That sounds, that sounds really good, Jeff.

[00:23:52] Yeah.

[00:23:52] Very good.

[00:23:53] Watch it with your parents now.

[00:23:54] Oh, I will.

[00:23:55] Okay.

[00:23:55] Good.

[00:23:55] I can do that.

[00:23:56] Okay.

[00:23:56] Yeah.

[00:23:57] All right.

[00:23:57] So anyway, Chris,

[00:23:59] you have another one you want to share?

[00:24:01] Yes.

[00:24:02] Um, so tip book,

[00:24:03] my typical run on this, uh,

[00:24:05] episode is I usually do one narrative

[00:24:07] and I do one documentary.

[00:24:08] This year is going to be no different.

[00:24:10] Um, this one,

[00:24:12] if you're,

[00:24:13] if you're a significant other likes to watch,

[00:24:15] home improvement shows on HGTV,

[00:24:18] you might be able to sit down and watch this with them

[00:24:21] and they might like it.

[00:24:21] It is a documentary.

[00:24:22] It's called Casa Bonita,

[00:24:24] mi amor.

[00:24:24] And it is about the two creators of South Park,

[00:24:28] Trey Parker and Matt Stone.

[00:24:30] They decided to save a Mexican restaurant in Colorado

[00:24:34] that they grew up going to as children.

[00:24:37] This Mexican restaurant featured,

[00:24:39] uh,

[00:24:40] people running around doing skits in the actual restaurant.

[00:24:43] They pictured,

[00:24:44] uh,

[00:24:45] divers that dive off a cliff into like a little pool of water.

[00:24:50] Alan has actually been to this place because South Park featured it

[00:24:54] on one of their episodes.

[00:24:55] Cartman was like dying to go there.

[00:24:57] Regardless of what happened,

[00:24:58] he was going to go to Casa Bonita.

[00:25:00] That's in our South Park in Charlotte.

[00:25:03] No,

[00:25:03] no,

[00:25:03] the,

[00:25:03] uh,

[00:25:04] the television show.

[00:25:05] Yeah.

[00:25:06] The,

[00:25:06] uh,

[00:25:07] uh,

[00:25:08] now I'm,

[00:25:08] I'm the Raji cartoon show.

[00:25:10] Yes.

[00:25:10] Yeah.

[00:25:11] Yeah.

[00:25:11] So,

[00:25:11] um,

[00:25:11] I've been a fan of the South Park TV show for a long time.

[00:25:15] And those guys are just very creative.

[00:25:17] They made a Broadway play book of Mormon,

[00:25:19] you know,

[00:25:19] they're just all over the place,

[00:25:22] but something as simple and actually kind of wholesome was they grew up

[00:25:26] going to this as kids.

[00:25:27] And they're like the place after 2020,

[00:25:30] like a lot of other places was closing its doors.

[00:25:33] It was really old and had gotten kind of run down.

[00:25:35] And then 2020 happened.

[00:25:36] People weren't going to restaurants.

[00:25:37] Like,

[00:25:37] okay,

[00:25:38] that's it.

[00:25:39] Bakelopsy.

[00:25:40] And the founders of South Park were like,

[00:25:42] Nope,

[00:25:42] we're going to save that thing.

[00:25:44] Not only that,

[00:25:44] but it kind of gotten a reputation over the years.

[00:25:47] The food was terrible.

[00:25:48] It was kind of like Disney world.

[00:25:50] You go in there,

[00:25:50] there's all this craziness going around.

[00:25:51] Kids love it.

[00:25:52] So the parents are like,

[00:25:52] okay,

[00:25:53] we'll go there for your birthday.

[00:25:54] But they're like,

[00:25:55] Nope,

[00:25:55] we're going to open that place back up and we're going to make the food good.

[00:25:58] And like,

[00:25:59] we're going to restore everything.

[00:26:00] And they did.

[00:26:01] Um,

[00:26:01] but as with any home improvement show,

[00:26:03] you go in and you find out there's mold in the ceiling,

[00:26:06] all this.

[00:26:06] Um,

[00:26:07] it would have scared me.

[00:26:39] People diving off the cliff in the water.

[00:26:40] Because it is the creators of South Park.

[00:26:42] Some expletives do fly around here and there,

[00:26:44] but,

[00:26:45] um,

[00:26:45] I just really enjoyed it.

[00:26:47] And spoiler kind of,

[00:26:48] they were able to open it back up.

[00:26:50] Now,

[00:26:51] granted,

[00:26:51] this is not the nightmare.

[00:26:52] You talk about the Tom Hanks movie,

[00:26:54] the money pit.

[00:26:55] This place was a huge money pit.

[00:26:59] I mean,

[00:26:59] they went in there thinking,

[00:27:00] okay,

[00:27:00] we're going to spend X amount.

[00:27:01] And then it was way,

[00:27:03] way,

[00:27:04] way,

[00:27:04] way more.

[00:27:05] So that's kind of a lesson,

[00:27:06] like,

[00:27:06] be sure what you're getting into before you commit something,

[00:27:09] commit to something.

[00:27:10] But,

[00:27:10] um,

[00:27:11] it's,

[00:27:11] it's hardwiring in the end,

[00:27:12] they get to open it back up and the community is just like,

[00:27:15] you know,

[00:27:15] couldn't be happier.

[00:27:16] So,

[00:27:17] and now it is on my bucket list to go to this restaurant at some point,

[00:27:20] because it just sounds like it's one of those oddities that just would be fun to go to.

[00:27:25] So,

[00:27:25] and,

[00:27:25] and we're,

[00:27:26] we're in Colorado is this.

[00:27:27] It's near,

[00:27:28] near Denver.

[00:27:29] I think it's outside of Denver or maybe in Denver.

[00:27:31] Okay.

[00:27:32] But it's the,

[00:27:33] you can probably rent Casa Bonita Mia more on various streaming services or various services,

[00:27:39] but it is streaming.

[00:27:40] If you happen to have Paramount plus,

[00:27:42] it's streaming on there for free.

[00:27:44] Um,

[00:27:44] but I,

[00:27:44] I,

[00:27:45] I really enjoyed it.

[00:27:46] And there's lots of,

[00:27:46] lots of business lessons to be taken away from what they're doing.

[00:27:49] And they still have to,

[00:27:50] to worry about,

[00:27:52] yeah,

[00:27:52] we still got to make our little cartoon show because that's,

[00:27:55] what's making us the money to be able to do this.

[00:27:57] So despite all the headaches,

[00:27:59] we're like,

[00:27:59] we've got to go back to New York and work on this.

[00:28:01] I suspect they have the deep pockets to deal with some of the issues that they run into that many restaurant tourists might not have that sort of money at their disposal.

[00:28:10] That's true.

[00:28:11] But it's still just amazing.

[00:28:12] The restaurant,

[00:28:13] I mean,

[00:28:13] at least pre 2020,

[00:28:14] I was there in 2019 and it was a,

[00:28:17] yeah,

[00:28:17] it was an interesting experience.

[00:28:19] So,

[00:28:19] uh,

[00:28:20] I haven't seen this documentary yet.

[00:28:21] I've been really wanting to.

[00:28:23] So,

[00:28:23] but I guess I'm intrigued by how you do cliff diving in a restaurant and how big the cliffs are.

[00:28:29] I mean,

[00:28:29] it's about,

[00:28:30] I mean,

[00:28:30] there's a part of the restaurant that's like multi stories in one part.

[00:28:34] And so,

[00:28:34] yeah,

[00:28:34] it's maybe two and a half stories.

[00:28:37] Someone diving three,

[00:28:38] a yard up into a kiddie pool or something.

[00:28:40] No,

[00:28:40] no,

[00:28:41] no.

[00:28:41] It's a pretty good little dive.

[00:28:42] And,

[00:28:43] uh,

[00:28:43] deep is the pool?

[00:28:44] Uh,

[00:28:44] probably not deep enough.

[00:28:45] That's what I wonder.

[00:28:46] Probably just,

[00:28:47] just deep enough.

[00:28:49] So,

[00:28:50] um,

[00:28:51] yeah,

[00:28:51] it was,

[00:28:52] it was,

[00:28:52] it was crazy.

[00:28:53] And there was like a cave inside the restaurant.

[00:28:55] There's our cave.

[00:28:57] There's old timey photos.

[00:28:58] There's a puppet show,

[00:28:59] all this stuff.

[00:29:00] Yeah.

[00:29:00] I,

[00:29:00] I had heard about the restaurant,

[00:29:03] saw it on the South Park cartoon.

[00:29:04] So when we went out West,

[00:29:05] my family for cross country trip,

[00:29:07] I'm like,

[00:29:08] we're stopping there.

[00:29:09] And they,

[00:29:09] of course they had no idea where we were going and it was an experience,

[00:29:12] but anyway,

[00:29:12] sounds like a great documentary.

[00:29:14] I'm still excited to see it.

[00:29:15] Yeah.

[00:29:17] Okay.

[00:29:18] Um,

[00:29:19] this one's,

[00:29:20] this one's a stretch,

[00:29:21] but it is rooted in business.

[00:29:23] And I do think there's some interesting business history.

[00:29:27] You can glean from it,

[00:29:28] but you just got to understand this is a comedy movie that is over

[00:29:32] exaggerating.

[00:29:33] Probably not probably definitely over exaggerating much of this corporate

[00:29:38] business history.

[00:29:39] But,

[00:29:39] uh,

[00:29:41] Jerry Seinfeld recently made a movie this year called unfrosted,

[00:29:45] which is the story of the pop tart,

[00:29:49] how the pop tart was designed,

[00:29:51] how the pop start was made,

[00:29:52] how it was marketed,

[00:29:54] the trials and tribulations of trying to bring the pop tart to market.

[00:29:58] Now that in itself could be kind of an interesting film.

[00:30:01] Okay.

[00:30:01] This is an absurdist comedy though.

[00:30:03] This is over the top dumb.

[00:30:05] Okay.

[00:30:05] It is meant to be dumb.

[00:30:07] It is a dumb comedy.

[00:30:08] It is ridiculous in its nature.

[00:30:11] I had a good time with it.

[00:30:13] I thought it was funny,

[00:30:15] but,

[00:30:15] uh,

[00:30:16] rooted at its core is a true desire and interest in the product of the pop

[00:30:22] tart.

[00:30:23] Jerry Seinfeld is a self-proclaimed,

[00:30:24] proclaimed pop tart fan.

[00:30:26] He is loves that breakfast foods.

[00:30:28] He loves cereals.

[00:30:28] He loves the pop tart.

[00:30:30] So he wanted to make a film about the birth of the pop tart.

[00:30:33] So basically you have Kellogg's and post as the two big breakfast conglomerates

[00:30:39] at the time.

[00:30:40] This was back in 1963.

[00:30:42] The movie takes place.

[00:30:43] And it does tell the story of that.

[00:30:45] These two warring companies were truly fighting each other for who could make the best breakfast

[00:30:50] food.

[00:30:51] And if one was coming out with a product,

[00:30:53] the other one's like,

[00:30:53] we got to come up with something to match it.

[00:30:56] So this is what was happening.

[00:30:57] Kellogg's and post competing to create this breakfast cake,

[00:31:01] you know,

[00:31:01] some sort and,

[00:31:02] uh,

[00:31:03] watching the intrigue behind them.

[00:31:05] They,

[00:31:05] each of these companies are controlled by certain leadership teams.

[00:31:09] And,

[00:31:09] uh,

[00:31:09] I think it was post is the one that kind of has a big family ownership structure.

[00:31:15] I think that was the one.

[00:31:16] And then Kellogg's is the one that's trying to come up with it to combat it.

[00:31:19] Or it's the other way around.

[00:31:20] Kellogg's is the big,

[00:31:21] the big oppressive huge company with the big family legacy history.

[00:31:26] And then post is the one trying to come up.

[00:31:28] Anyway,

[00:31:29] I don't remember,

[00:31:30] but it is,

[00:31:31] it is interesting because there is some historical facts in this film.

[00:31:35] But just understand,

[00:31:36] you got to dig a little deep for them.

[00:31:38] It is meant to be fun and comedic,

[00:31:40] but,

[00:31:40] um,

[00:31:41] it does start Jerry Seinfeld in it.

[00:31:43] I was going to ask if he was like in as an actor or is he like,

[00:31:46] he is in it.

[00:31:46] He stars as a,

[00:31:48] I forget his name,

[00:31:49] the name of his character,

[00:31:50] but he's basically like a marketing guy for post,

[00:31:54] I believe.

[00:31:55] And he's trying to come up.

[00:31:57] You know,

[00:31:58] the interesting thing is that the,

[00:31:59] the corporate headquarters for both of these businesses,

[00:32:02] Kellogg and post are in the same town in Michigan.

[00:32:05] So how weird is that?

[00:32:06] Like in the movie,

[00:32:07] they can actually look out their window and see the corporate building of the other one.

[00:32:11] And they're kind of spying on each other.

[00:32:12] I don't know if it was quite exactly like that,

[00:32:14] but the fact that they're both in the same town in Michigan,

[00:32:17] it's actually kind of interesting to begin with.

[00:32:20] And,

[00:32:20] uh,

[00:32:21] I thought it was a fun movie.

[00:32:22] It is.

[00:32:23] If you like,

[00:32:24] you know,

[00:32:24] the movies like airplane and naked gun and all that,

[00:32:26] that is the kind of humor you're dealing with.

[00:32:28] So it is not taking any element of this seriously,

[00:32:32] but some interesting notes about the breakfast,

[00:32:35] the breakfast wars back in 1963.

[00:32:38] See how that.

[00:32:39] Yeah.

[00:32:39] There is some,

[00:32:40] there's some interesting notes.

[00:32:42] There's a message that with two companies fighting for,

[00:32:45] right?

[00:32:46] Well,

[00:32:47] and you've got two companies,

[00:32:48] of course the,

[00:32:48] in the movie it's portrayed that Kellogg is like this giant,

[00:32:51] the giant Goliath,

[00:32:52] you know,

[00:32:52] and post is a little more of a little more scrappier,

[00:32:56] a little smaller company.

[00:32:57] And they're both big companies at this point,

[00:32:59] but that's the way the film is trying to portray them.

[00:33:01] But you do get a little of this idea of having to kind of one up your competitor

[00:33:04] or you learn what your competitor is looking to do.

[00:33:07] They're going to steal ideas from you,

[00:33:09] you from them,

[00:33:09] who can get their first to the market,

[00:33:12] who can make the most compelling product.

[00:33:14] You see different iterations of what the different versions of the pop tart

[00:33:17] looked like before it actually came to the final one.

[00:33:20] We know,

[00:33:20] I don't know.

[00:33:21] I thought it was fun.

[00:33:22] I thought it was a cute movie.

[00:33:24] Uh,

[00:33:24] I had a good time with it and I love my breakfast foods too.

[00:33:27] So I,

[00:33:28] I'm a fan again,

[00:33:29] I'm tying in movies and things that I like.

[00:33:31] I like Saturday night live.

[00:33:33] I like cereal in the morning.

[00:33:35] So this was a,

[00:33:36] yes,

[00:33:40] um,

[00:33:41] for the most part,

[00:33:42] it's PG 13.

[00:33:43] It's got a few,

[00:33:44] nothing too bad.

[00:33:45] It's Jerry Seinfeld humor.

[00:33:47] I mean,

[00:33:47] if he's never gets quite too,

[00:33:49] too bad.

[00:33:50] So,

[00:33:50] all right.

[00:33:51] Yeah.

[00:33:51] It's,

[00:33:51] I would say,

[00:33:52] yes,

[00:33:52] it's okay for the,

[00:33:53] for the family.

[00:33:54] There are some moments or,

[00:33:56] yeah,

[00:33:57] a few moments.

[00:33:57] I would say,

[00:33:58] uh,

[00:33:59] I thought it was funny,

[00:34:00] but there's one scene in particular,

[00:34:01] I think is still one of my favorite scenes is,

[00:34:03] I'm just gonna say it's a funeral scene,

[00:34:05] um,

[00:34:06] involving a lot of mascots from different,

[00:34:08] uh,

[00:34:09] cereals and breakfast foods.

[00:34:11] So,

[00:34:11] um,

[00:34:12] very,

[00:34:12] very funny.

[00:34:12] All right.

[00:34:13] Very good.

[00:34:14] It is a Netflix movie.

[00:34:16] So if you have Netflix,

[00:34:17] it is on Netflix right now.

[00:34:19] All right.

[00:34:20] Very good.

[00:34:21] Gary,

[00:34:22] what'd you got?

[00:34:23] Well,

[00:34:23] I've got two and I'm debating and you've talked about one silly,

[00:34:26] the other ones.

[00:34:29] So I'll go with silly.

[00:34:31] Okay.

[00:34:31] Silly.

[00:34:32] Keep the silly train going.

[00:34:34] Yes.

[00:34:35] Talladega night.

[00:34:37] Okay.

[00:34:38] Well,

[00:34:39] cause you see again,

[00:34:40] the business and NASCAR,

[00:34:41] you know,

[00:34:42] again,

[00:34:42] it's kind of like the fall guy and different things of taking,

[00:34:46] you know,

[00:34:47] cause you see the good and the bad business in a funny way.

[00:34:52] Yeah.

[00:34:52] Okay.

[00:34:53] I was actually impressed with how much Talladega nights is deeply rooted in the NASCAR business.

[00:34:59] And there's actually some interesting,

[00:35:01] you know,

[00:35:01] you see some of the real workings behind the scenes sometimes,

[00:35:04] uh,

[00:35:05] outside of the,

[00:35:06] the main plot with,

[00:35:07] with Ricky Bobby.

[00:35:08] But,

[00:35:08] uh,

[00:35:08] yeah,

[00:35:09] I thought it was interesting.

[00:35:10] I mean,

[00:35:10] that's so I,

[00:35:11] the guy loses his ride,

[00:35:13] loses his wife.

[00:35:14] That's exactly,

[00:35:15] I mean,

[00:35:15] you sit there and it's real life stuff kind of in the middle and it's,

[00:35:18] it's silly because who's in it.

[00:35:22] And you had the whole,

[00:35:23] uh,

[00:35:24] race team that,

[00:35:25] you know,

[00:35:25] had to kind of,

[00:35:26] is,

[00:35:26] is trying to champion the one driver.

[00:35:28] And if that driver isn't performing the way,

[00:35:31] a certain way or has some problems,

[00:35:32] they've got to shift gears and figure out how they put all the weight behind a different driver.

[00:35:36] And some of the competition involved in that was,

[00:35:38] it was,

[00:35:38] it was interesting.

[00:35:39] I think it's a really funny movie too.

[00:35:41] So,

[00:35:41] yeah.

[00:35:43] And the other one I'll say is Ocean is 11.

[00:35:46] Okay.

[00:35:46] I should get the very good movie business.

[00:35:48] Yes.

[00:35:49] And great actors and planning.

[00:35:51] Business planning.

[00:35:52] Business planning.

[00:35:52] You're going to steal something.

[00:35:54] Well,

[00:35:54] right.

[00:35:55] And you've got Andy Garcia,

[00:35:56] who's got the casino business and how he's running it.

[00:36:01] And you hear that's the good and bad of that.

[00:36:03] And then of course you've got the other guys like that are in the business of stealing.

[00:36:08] And a lot of planning.

[00:36:10] Now,

[00:36:10] Gary,

[00:36:10] you're not condoning this as a form of business.

[00:36:13] No,

[00:36:14] not at all.

[00:36:14] It's just more of the mechanics of how to get it done.

[00:36:16] I had if I tried to do.

[00:36:18] All right.

[00:36:18] Well,

[00:36:18] and I'd also be in jail.

[00:36:19] I'm just putting that out there for the listeners.

[00:36:21] I don't want anybody to walk away thinking,

[00:36:23] you know.

[00:36:24] Well,

[00:36:24] and then you put Talon and Ice and Ocean 11 right next to each other.

[00:36:28] And you're going with it.

[00:36:29] Who is this guy?

[00:36:30] And you already knew that.

[00:36:31] We do.

[00:36:32] Not much to me.

[00:36:33] Some good picks.

[00:36:35] All right.

[00:36:35] So,

[00:36:35] my last movie.

[00:36:36] Yes.

[00:36:36] Not silly.

[00:36:37] Okay.

[00:36:39] Old classic,

[00:36:40] Glenn Gary,

[00:36:41] Glenn Ross.

[00:36:42] Oh,

[00:36:42] yeah.

[00:36:42] A lot of family film.

[00:36:43] A lot of language is a little rough.

[00:36:46] Yeah.

[00:36:46] And Glenn Gary,

[00:36:47] Glenn Ross,

[00:36:48] which is,

[00:36:49] was originally a play written in 1984,

[00:36:52] actually won the Pulitzer Prize for drama as a,

[00:36:55] as a theatrical play,

[00:36:57] basically about these fellows that are trying to sell real estate.

[00:37:01] It sounds like Swampland in Florida,

[00:37:02] where,

[00:37:03] uh,

[00:37:04] uh,

[00:37:05] an incredible cast of characters actually from Alec Baldwin,

[00:37:09] Jack Lemmon,

[00:37:09] Al Pacino,

[00:37:11] uh,

[00:37:12] you know,

[00:37:12] pre canceled Kevin Spacey,

[00:37:14] uh,

[00:37:15] Alan Arkin are all in this movie.

[00:37:17] Uh,

[00:37:18] you know,

[00:37:19] basically Alec Baldwin is like,

[00:37:20] uh,

[00:37:21] the,

[00:37:21] the guy that comes in and threatens all these guys with their jobs.

[00:37:24] If they don't have,

[00:37:26] uh,

[00:37:26] sell more of this real estate and dangles all these really good leads in front of

[00:37:30] them,

[00:37:31] but says you can't have these leads.

[00:37:32] Unless you,

[00:37:33] actually sell some stuff and which leads to some potential crime.

[00:37:38] And,

[00:37:39] and,

[00:37:39] uh,

[00:37:41] so anyway,

[00:37:42] it's,

[00:37:42] uh,

[00:37:42] very intriguing has some of the great lines that we probably have over quoted

[00:37:48] from the sales contest winner getting,

[00:37:51] Eldorado Cadillac.

[00:37:52] Second place gets steak knives.

[00:37:54] Third place gets fired.

[00:37:56] ABC.

[00:37:57] Always be closing.

[00:37:58] Always be closing.

[00:37:59] Yes.

[00:38:00] That takes brass balls to sell real estate.

[00:38:02] Uh,

[00:38:03] coffee is for closers.

[00:38:04] Coffee is for closers.

[00:38:05] Alec Baldwin did this on Saturday night live as a,

[00:38:08] as like one of Santa's elves.

[00:38:10] Always be cobbling.

[00:38:12] He actually said always be closing initially.

[00:38:15] Yeah.

[00:38:15] And then I mean,

[00:38:15] cobbling,

[00:38:16] cobbling,

[00:38:17] right.

[00:38:17] Right.

[00:38:17] But it's one of the classic,

[00:38:18] uh,

[00:38:19] Saturday night skits.

[00:38:20] It'll probably show up when they're Christmas,

[00:38:22] uh,

[00:38:23] special at some point in time.

[00:38:25] So just as a sort of a,

[00:38:28] you know,

[00:38:28] we,

[00:38:28] we talk about sales,

[00:38:30] the importance of sales.

[00:38:31] And,

[00:38:31] uh,

[00:38:32] unfortunately these guys are probably showing it done in a rather unethical,

[00:38:37] ruthless type way in which they're trying to reel in unsuspecting people to buy property.

[00:38:42] That's probably close to worthless.

[00:38:45] But,

[00:38:45] uh,

[00:38:46] you know,

[00:38:47] just in terms of the early cold calling sales approach,

[00:38:51] just really a lot of lessons there about sales.

[00:38:54] Absolutely.

[00:38:54] And also how,

[00:38:55] uh,

[00:38:56] people are just sort of associated with their jobs.

[00:38:59] Sometimes it's,

[00:38:59] of course,

[00:39:00] this was taking place,

[00:39:01] you know,

[00:39:02] you know,

[00:39:02] 40 years ago,

[00:39:03] but,

[00:39:03] uh,

[00:39:05] just a different time.

[00:39:06] And,

[00:39:06] uh,

[00:39:07] as my daughter would say,

[00:39:08] probably,

[00:39:08] uh,

[00:39:10] poor,

[00:39:10] a poor demonstration of toxic,

[00:39:12] toxic masculinity,

[00:39:14] uh,

[00:39:14] in terms of,

[00:39:15] uh,

[00:39:17] but,

[00:39:18] uh,

[00:39:18] anyway,

[00:39:19] it's,

[00:39:20] it's sort of a classic.

[00:39:21] It does have a lot of rough language,

[00:39:23] so probably not something for the younger folks out there,

[00:39:27] but,

[00:39:27] uh,

[00:39:28] it's a classic and,

[00:39:29] and a hell of an ensemble cast.

[00:39:31] So it's worth giving a watch to,

[00:39:32] you know,

[00:39:33] the thing is there,

[00:39:33] there are ways you can watch Glenn Gary,

[00:39:35] Glenn Ross.

[00:39:36] And if you are in sales,

[00:39:38] or are you looking to get inspired to sell,

[00:39:42] you could get some inspiration from it.

[00:39:43] You got to look past the fact that what it is they're selling in the movie is not the kind of thing that you want to take pride in selling necessarily.

[00:39:51] But I mean,

[00:39:53] yeah,

[00:39:53] there are some messages about your aggressiveness with sales and,

[00:39:58] you know,

[00:39:59] uh,

[00:40:00] very,

[00:40:01] very being very focused on the end result of a sale.

[00:40:03] So that whole speech with Alec Baldwin's character,

[00:40:06] I mean,

[00:40:06] and he's not even in the movie that much,

[00:40:08] which is crazy.

[00:40:08] He's really in it for a few minutes at the beginning,