Debunking Dietitian Myths with Shana Hussin, RDN

[00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the Unscripted Pharmacists. I am joined today with Shana Hussin, who's a registered dietitian. I have never had a, shall we say, fulfilling conversation with a dietitian

[00:00:22] and I think this is going to be the first. No, you guys are, you're an oddity because we're all, I'm arguing with them typically in the hospital setting going no, this constant carbs, I mean, I'm sorry, consistent carbs is, it's actually detrimental and you, and typically a dietitian

[00:00:43] is pushing shakes, glucerna and sugar for these patients in house but you are very different. You are definitely one of a kind unique dietitian that actually makes a difference and helps people.

[00:00:57] Tell me how you got here. It's so interesting and I've gone through a lot with my parents over the last six months with having to be hospitalized and being in the broken, broken system. My mom

[00:01:12] actually passed away in February of Pinker Stage for Pinker and a Cancer but of course, like you said, they, what did they send her home with after her, you know, oncology visits,

[00:01:22] a bag of ensure. I was like, mom, do not drink this. Like you, yes, it's got some crappy protein in it but it's got all kinds of cancer for, you know, it's like the worst thing you can give a cancer

[00:01:33] patient and then yeah, we'll get back to my backstory but I just have to tell you like my dad just came out of the hospital last week so he kind of went downhill after my mom passed

[00:01:44] away and he's got all these cardiology issues and he was hospitalized for 11 days. And so I haven't worked in the conventional system in years so I'm thinking it's, it's gotta be a little bit

[00:01:55] better. But you still have all your hair. You haven't pulled it all out because I watched you on a really cool podcast with Thomas Siegfried talking about cancer. That must have been difficult.

[00:02:07] Gosh, well right and it's cancer patients are very, you know, they drive the system, you know, like they're, it's so financial for cancer patients and it is a whole other school of, you know, big topic there but yeah, you're not given many choices. You're looking,

[00:02:28] looked at as completely crazy if you go out of the system at all and if you defer from what the oncologist represents but yeah, well my dad was in the hospital. He was placed on a

[00:02:40] cardiology or car, you know, a cardiology diet or a heart healthy diet and of course that's low sodium, low fat and one day I walked in and he had a brownie and a jello cup for lunch because

[00:02:55] it was low fat, you know, it was under the fat and it was under the saturated fat I should say and under the sodium. I'm like, you've got to be, you've got to be kidding here and the

[00:03:04] dietitian came in while and she of course didn't know I was a dietitian so I'm like, yeah, please come in, you know, I've been working on him for 40 years now do your best and you know, she of

[00:03:15] course had the heart healthy packet and I just, I took pictures of it. I'm like low saturated fat, low sodium, like that's all they cared about and they were promoting like canola

[00:03:26] oil and corn oil and soybean oil and don't eat any saturated fat and I was like, oh my goodness, my dad got sicker while he was in the hospital but anyway it's not an option is it? The right

[00:03:38] diet is not an option. It should be like hey would you like to go home early? Would you like to go home several days early? Here's a low carbohydrate and guess what if you don't

[00:03:49] want to eat you have you should have that option. Oh they will lock you up if you right yeah fast you know my gosh that is so weird don't skip you know you can't go home until you eat

[00:04:01] yeah eat this brownie and jello cup and say yeah it was wild and it just like reinforced why I cannot ever ever work in the conventional speed. You would get fired. Oh yeah we can go very far

[00:04:16] at the bottom it's endorsed by the academy of nutrition and dietetics I'm like how how can you be this behind I just I don't understand oh I do understand it it's driven by money. It's money yeah

[00:04:28] and A&D is certainly one that loves to take money from third industry but then they'll say no like this is you know this funding doesn't have anything to do with our money. Doesn't affect us

[00:04:40] doesn't affect what we say so anyway I'm Shanna I do not work in the conventional system. Yay glad you left. Yeah the dietetics world is is pretty wild. Okay so you discovered

[00:04:55] a while ago and this is this is not uncommon that you found your own personal cure to your own health problems and I think it's fascinating for a dietitian that may have had issues and trying to make recommendations for their patients to follow and they're having the same

[00:05:14] trouble and you're like wait a minute so how did you get to obviously healthy right where did you start and how did you get here? Oh gosh I'm way healthier in my 40s than I was in my 20s I mean

[00:05:26] in my late 40s um than I was in my 20s and 30s and what kind of prompted me well I've been in the field for almost 15 years unfortunately before I started to think are these guidelines

[00:05:37] really helpful. I had some serious bloating going on um I never had any like terrible weight issues but I had to do a lot to maintain my weight I was a mom of three you know I just thought oh I'm you

[00:05:49] know yeah yeah calorie thing the calories the treadmill you know like the running and all of the things and I just thought you know I'm getting older I'm getting more burned out because

[00:06:00] I am a mom and then this is just normal that you don't feel as well as you get older and I had cankersores like exploding in my mouth all the time so you know that's kind of an immunity thing

[00:06:12] and lots like I said lots of bloating um and just having to work really hard to maintain my weight and of course I was following the standard guidelines of eating a lot of grains eating

[00:06:23] you know from the time I got up until the time I went to bed kind of thing and having you know healthy snacks and um come to find out I didn't know this until a couple of years ago

[00:06:36] but I developed insulin resistance like pretty bad and um I don't know exactly we can talk about the levels of fasting insulin but I don't know even where I started from because I had been implementing

[00:06:48] a lot of strategies to lower it for like two years like intermittent fasting strategies and lower carb eating and not eating only eating a couple times a day and all of these things and my insulin

[00:07:02] was still elevated two years later so I think I really had insulin resistance pretty badly but know to test for it because nobody teaches you okay so when were you measuring like what time

[00:07:13] when was this how long ago because um getting an insulin level it is I think I developed insulin resistance like in my 20s like in college when everybody sabotages their body and I'm in

[00:07:24] Wisconsin so it's like drinking party culture um terrible but I just tested it for the first time like maybe four years ago four years ago or so and it was 10.7 and I like to see it between two and

[00:07:38] six after a week for my my community that I work with and this was after two years of like I said like I'm restricted eating eating low carb so I think it was well like probably in the 20s

[00:07:52] I can only get probably much higher yeah and the interesting thing is I'd always had normal glucose normal lipids um you know of course my cholesterol is a little bit elevated by conventional standards right it was slightly over 200 but all my breakdown was always normal triglycerides were

[00:08:11] always normal um and so but I had a lot of the symptoms of insulin resistance and I didn't piece everything together until a couple years ago and it's now in the normal range and all of those symptoms have gone away and now I teach everybody about it

[00:08:30] but it was just in the last couple of years so I went probably 20 years of being insulin resistant and not knowing and being of normal weight and in the healthy weight range um and

[00:08:42] because a lot of people think well I'm not overweight so I don't have insulin resistance but um I have like based on symptoms you were yeah yes based on symptoms it was and I had type 2

[00:08:52] diabetes and fatty liver runs very strong in my family so I'm genetically predispositioned for it right for sure but yeah so it was based on symptoms not necessarily labs because I find that

[00:09:05] middle-aged women may not even have any of these markers yeah and you're dealing with this all the time because of hormonal yeah let's sugar is low in a lot of these people estrogen increases that

[00:09:17] sensitivity yeah how do you how do you treat this this is kind of uh yeah it's interesting okay and it's definitely so I've been teaching like intermittent fasting and low carb are the two biggest strategies to heal insulin resistance because insulin resistance is your body's either

[00:09:38] not utilizing the energy properly that um that you're taking in and those cells that are always you know trying to bring in glucose from the bloodstream are just not receptive anymore and so

[00:09:52] you get this build up of insulin which um insulin is is secreted in response to blood sugar glucose so if you have you know and the interesting thing is you can have normal blood sugar which

[00:10:05] is what was happening to me but you're getting some spikes and you're getting some dips and you don't see those because insulin is pushed out so you know in response to um what's going on with

[00:10:17] the blood sugar so it can you know you can have insulin resistance for years decades before by the time blood sugar issues come on the scene like you know it's the long time and it's

[00:10:28] wild to reverse um the insulin resistance but um yeah so with me um you know I've been eating a lot of grains and all the things that that that the American and you know the Academy of Nutrition

[00:10:44] and Dietetics tell you to eat and um like I said eating problem you know I was eating very healthy foods like whole foods but I was eating them all day long handful here, handful there

[00:10:54] snacks, yes yeah and did you have any gut issues with the whole grains? Yeah I had so I had exploding really bad and um I attribute that to a couple things the the grains definitely I mean

[00:11:07] I just don't now that I've like worn continuous glucose blood sugar and right and see like I just don't like am I card threshold at anyone given times about 30 grams and it probably was better

[00:11:19] when I was younger but you know I'm period I'm sure a minute I'm 48 like there's no way I'm not pyramid and puzzle right more hormonal fluctuations the insulin sensitivity isn't as good um so yeah

[00:11:32] so definitely bloating and some of it was grain based but some of it was also adrenal based like I've found out since two that I had cortisol issues for a long time I mean just like a

[00:11:44] hormonal mess and um but yeah the you measure that in your patients now huh you measure cortisol that's a big part of it with some of them like I um especially like if if if the symptoms are

[00:11:57] there like the severe fatigue um the night not being able to sleep well the bloating the low immunity um those are some real telltale signs and then like um abdominal fat is another

[00:12:13] telltale sign of like cortisol that's dysregulated um then I'll have them test it um yeah so I mean there's we could talk about testing but there's testing for insulin resistance and then um cortisol is interesting cortisol melatonin because they're actually upstream hormones from insulin so if

[00:12:33] those are dysregulated so this is like you know I've I've pieced this all together over time like I started with the insulin resistance and I reversed that but then I discovered I have cortisol

[00:12:44] issues as well so really when you if you can you know fix the cortisol issue is that will help ladies are complicated incredibly complicated we don't appreciate that I know and it is more complicated with women for sure I mean men can men can definitely um experience insulin

[00:13:03] resistance but it's usually a little bit easier to fix with men because they don't have they respond so much faster I hate to say and the fasting protocols like you know I would just you know put

[00:13:14] out these fasting protocols and I found women were struggling if we were doing too much fasting in the morning hours and then their circadian rhythm was getting off balance so

[00:13:24] I really had to like pull back and say okay with a lot of women we need to do circadian fasting we need to you know fast with the sun and um and not be like fasting all morning because

[00:13:35] that can dysregulate the cortisol and it can with men as well but yeah men are not nearly right so so how do you know I mean what tool do you use to be able to look at the circadian

[00:13:48] rhythm a little bit more carefully yeah if somebody um what like I love to look at cortisol and melatonin like those are kind of your your master hormones as far as your circadian rhythm goes

[00:14:02] and they should be flexing at different times and they don't really play nice together you know if one is high the other one tends to be low in a good way because they do the very

[00:14:15] opposite things like your cortisol like your get up and go and and wake up and be alert and a lot of times people think like cortisol is bad like cortisol is not like you want cortisol you have to

[00:14:26] have it yes you want that but you don't want it spiking at two o'clock in the morning when you're because you're a shift worker shift workers are the worst they're really difficult to oh god dial in

[00:14:38] yeah they're metabolic mess but um and you know it's like I like my mom passed in February and she was a nurse and worked all kinds like I'm piecing everything together now

[00:14:50] and her circadian rhythm was probably destroyed for most of her life um but yeah the cortisol should be high in the morning and in midday and then start to come down but with a lot of people's

[00:15:03] cortisol is dysregulated and then your circadian rhythm is is dysregulated because cortisol is is you know in response to our lighting environment mostly a lot of times people think you know your cortisol is regulated by stress and your nutrition and yes those things play a

[00:15:21] role but the lighting environment is really critical to get under control um and this you know this is super fascinating but this has been like in the last like six months that I've been really focused

[00:15:33] on lighting environment because it's a light on it that is missing and most practitioners don't talk about it at all they talk about exercise and sleep and nutrition and stress nothing to do without going outside. 18 environment right and so anyway the cortisol yeah you want higher in

[00:15:51] the morning and midday and come down and so many people dysregulate that and if you have high cortisol at night due to a lot of times due to blue light or you know overstimulation at night staying up too

[00:16:04] late watching tv um that blue light filtering in your eyes will will elevate the the um cortisol your melatonin can't take over and so and that's your restrictive I mean the body's most potent

[00:16:17] antioxidant is melatonin and so people are just basically melatonin deprived and the the fix isn't to take melatonin out of battle you know the fix the lighting environment. I can just see people

[00:16:31] making these artificial lights that kind of dial in with where what where you are on the planet and how much light you're supposed to have instead of actually going outside yeah we're an artificial

[00:16:42] light all day you know and and we're Netflixing till two or three o'clock in the morning and we're getting all this blue light it's just kind of this and I'm tired I don't want to do anything

[00:16:52] so I'll stay up to two three o'clock in the morning totally screw off your circadian rhythm yeah um but I think the cgm really helps with dialing in that that little bump of cortisol

[00:17:02] and what's crazy yeah we were taught you and I were both taught fasting glucose lowest blood sugar of the day it's like first thing in the morning no first thing in the morning maybe the highest

[00:17:15] glucose of the day because of that cortisol that makes you get up and go right and here we are we have no clue until you have that cgm on yes and that's how I found

[00:17:25] out my cortisol was really dysregulated was the cgm so I've worn a cgm multiple times always really great blood sugar control until like last summer and this was when my mom was

[00:17:38] diagnosed with cancer so I was like oh it's because I'm going through a stressful time and maybe that you know precipitated a little bit but I put a cgm on and my morning blood sugars were like in

[00:17:48] the hundreds 110 I'm like what what I'm like the blood sugar insulin resistance lady and I have high morning blood sugars what is going on here and so I just I'm like oh it's got to be because

[00:18:02] and my mom was just diagnosed and I'm stressed out or whatever and so I did not wear one like I was kind of afraid to put one back on but later on you're like they were like to my find

[00:18:12] and I'm like just the morning ones and so then I'm like oh it's the dawn effect well it was but it was my cortisol like just going crazy throughout the morning because I was fasting

[00:18:26] almost every morning and then I started to eat around 10 or 11 but when I was first intermittent fasting I would fast until like noon sometimes one two o'clock which totally went against my

[00:18:39] circadian rhythm and I'm an early riser as it is so I would get up between five and six and I wasn't eating until you know six hours later and for insulin resistance purposes that can be

[00:18:50] helpful but it could also dysregulate the cortisol which is what happened with me and so I put a cgm on again this spring and again like things were crazy I was going to

[00:19:03] appointments with my mom she was in hospice like it was just um a crazy time you never put her on one right no I don't think she ever wore one that I remember she was never you know it's like

[00:19:15] she was never pre-diabetic she had fatty liver but she was never the only way you get oh it's maddening like a type you have to put your diabetes to get so stupid everybody should have one I know I said

[00:19:27] if everybody could just wear one for two weeks I feel like a lot of our metabolic problems would go away or you know they would you people would have you'd be enlightened and aware of what's

[00:19:37] going on yeah so then I put a cgm on again like a company wanted me to do some some cgm testing for them so I put it on like oh it's still high like it's still high in the morning and so um it was very

[00:19:53] very frustrating because when I would eat then it would come back down and people'd ask me about this when I eat it comes back down I'd be like oh let's just keep working on it but it's

[00:20:01] cortisol dysregulation and that cortisol just kind of going a little bit too crazy in the morning and staying high and that cortisol response you know bringing trying to bring your blood sugar

[00:20:14] up um and I don't think that this happens right away when you're intermittent fasting but like I have been doing it for like five years at that point and so I wasn't and I it's kind of crazy

[00:20:25] because I take to my courses like make sure you're fasting for your hormonal um cycles in your menstrual cycles but I wasn't always practicing it myself um and now I'm a lot more careful to protect

[00:20:37] my hormones but um yeah so I've been working on my own cortisol dysregulation because mine got to the point where it wasn't like high at night it was like flat lined and that's like even worse than

[00:20:50] having you know that's like adrenal exhaustion and so I've been really focused on the circadian and lighting and getting outside working outside whenever I possibly can and really I've been eating

[00:21:03] earlier and if I'm going to fast I don't have weight to lose I don't have insulin resistance anymore so I don't need to do as much intermittent fasting as I used to do if I fast it's through dinner

[00:21:14] and usually a couple times a week so I'm still practicing like time restricted eating I don't snack I don't drink or eat anything sugary in between I only eat meals I and and so um still a lot of time

[00:21:28] restricted eating going on but I did pull back on fasting throughout the morning so that I can cortisol so you changed your eating pattern I did match your cortisol do you use a

[00:21:42] dutch test or any what other tools you can use it fast I'm not an expert in reading dutch tests um I've had those done and my daughter has had those done um they are very like you need to be an expert

[00:21:57] to read those there's not the dutch test but yes you do the saliva test when you do a dutch test you do and you're in addition to the saliva test so what I recommend for my community who

[00:22:10] you know students I work with is a four point saliva test uh sometimes people will get their cortisol I'll say well you know they get their cortisol tested but they just get one reading in

[00:22:20] the morning and it can be blood or saliva but that's not going to tell you what is going on throughout the day so yeah you might have high cortisol in the morning and that's normal or it

[00:22:31] might be higher than normal you're getting an over exaggerated cortisol response but we don't know what's going on the rest of the day so we don't know how to time your food we don't

[00:22:40] know how to time other things that that need to to you know we need to see the entire pattern throughout the day so with a four point they'll do like a morning one um and like a noon-ish one

[00:22:54] like midday and then afternoon and then evening so then you can see if that cortisol pattern is rising and falling when it should and you kind of adjust because otherwise you don't know how to

[00:23:05] adjust your environment and your lifestyle and your eating if you don't want your cortisol pattern is yeah okay so when you notice people have this dysregulation of cortisol say it's spiking later in the evening what is your what is your recommendation yeah so if it's spiking in the

[00:23:21] evening usually there's a couple of things that might be happening usually it has to do with artificial lighting there's too much blue light coming into the eyes and that tells the body it's midday to produce cortisol so it's a simple fix well it sounds simple in theory anyway

[00:23:41] the blue light out of your eyes after sunset with the sun sets you block the blue light coming in your eyes and so I just wear blue light blocking glasses after sunset that's not something you

[00:23:53] want to wear outside I mean right no kidding yeah I'd you shouldn't be wearing glasses or anything like you just want to get that full spectrum of sunlight into your eyes no matter what time of the

[00:24:04] day it is but I block blue light I go to bed pretty like I go to bed at about the same time I kind of have my ritual when I'm home of course I'm usually asleep by 9 30 10 o'clock and that kind of

[00:24:18] sets that pattern but if you have a rise in cortisol at night it's usually due to blue light or overstimulation sometimes even if it's not blue light it's just overstimulating the body whether it's you know you're exercising intensely or yeah or even if you have blue light blocking

[00:24:37] glasses on sometimes people are like scrolling or watching an action movie not that you can't do those things every once in a while but if you do it every night you can develop that pattern

[00:24:49] and the other thing that can be really overstimulating at night and and bumping up the cortisol and insulin is snacking and night eating like though that is that can be hugely detrimental also

[00:25:02] and I know it can be a really hard habit like I used to before I knew all this okay I'll have you know a little popcorn I'll have like apple and peanut butter or I'll have you know ice cream

[00:25:16] once in a while and yeah it's like you're just stimulating your pancreas and your pancreas thinks it's daytime food's coming you're just your digestive your digestive system should be shutting down at nighttime and not having to digest food digestion as you know I mean it's it's very intensely

[00:25:34] taxing for the body um so yeah so you guys see that you wear a watch too right you wear a watch watch on I do that kind of helps you determine what your chronotype is how your sleep morphology is

[00:25:49] how like that gives you some feedback if people want to dial in and yeah you're right the cravings are out of control but if you want to dial in their sleep better then you're getting some feedback

[00:26:01] along with this sleep hygiene right less yeah no screens you know colder room going to bed at the right time yeah yeah so the the darkness and the temperature drop are really like huge the biggest

[00:26:16] triggers for the body like it's time to go to sleep and it's time to to to rest and digest but yeah melatonin you need so melatonin is um produced in the pineal gland about only about five percent

[00:26:30] of it though but it's it's produced in response to darkness so yeah if you're staring at screens you just don't get that signal to produce melatonin and melatonin like I said it's so restorative and

[00:26:43] it's a major you know huge accident in the body and if you're not getting that restorative sleep it just ties back to everything you feel like crap but your blood sugar is not as regulated

[00:26:53] your ins you're like one poor night's sleep like five hours or less is like makes you 50% more insulin and it's crazy for the whole entire day and people wonder why they want to eat more and

[00:27:08] and they want a snack and then it's just a perpetual thing so they're eating all day and they eat into the night and then their insulin's high and they can't sleep and it's so it's

[00:27:17] it's like simple fixes it really is and that's the good thing it's like people think oh my body's broken I you know I'm just a metabolic mess and yeah you very well could be but it's usually

[00:27:27] your environment so it's food time that's what you're eating it's your lighting environment and your circadian that really throw off your metabolic health for sure yeah that's uh I always tell patients

[00:27:39] like this this is your superpower yeah sleeping is what sets up the best day ever and you talk about five hours of sleep your immune system your your killer cells natural killer cells

[00:27:49] are decreased by 50% if you get five hours of sleep this is all from that book Matthew Walker about why we sleep super fascinating book I mean it's just sleep is love it and people are like oh

[00:28:00] sleep's boring that's overrated and the law I've heard sleep is foundational but once you actually get it dialed in and you get your circadian health dialed in I mean that was when my bloating

[00:28:12] like truly started to go away too and my adrenal health started to recover was when I really started to focus on you know correcting my lighting environment more and I still get

[00:28:22] like my husband still looks at me goofy when he sees my red light you know my red while you got the glasses on inside girl I don't care I don't care this makes for a great tomorrow

[00:28:35] so what do you do what about this UVA yeah getting out and get some sun what's your recommendation with the yeah yeah and great sleep starts in the morning like people think like oh it's just my

[00:28:47] bedtime ritual no it like starts in the morning so sunrise you get the red light into your eyes and that just triggers a cortisol response but the thing a lot of people don't know too is like if

[00:29:00] your cortisol is really high in the morning it can kind of help to mitigate that really high cortisol response and if it's low it can help to increase it so it's kind of doing either or

[00:29:11] kind of whatever your body needs with that that sunrise but then UVA rise is usually about two oh two hours or so well maybe about an hour after sunrise and it's usually about two hour

[00:29:24] timeframe and I don't know if you use I use the circadian app to see when the UVA rises and the UVB rises I'm in Wisconsin so I'm like northern latitude there's like five right out

[00:29:39] of the year that I do not get any UVB here um but UVA is is really interesting of course I'm not like a complete expert on this or anything but that's when serotonin like the UVA um it's a time period

[00:29:55] like usually early to mid morning and if you can get outside even if you can't get your skin exposed like get that sunlight in your eye and and get the UVA rise and be active it helps

[00:30:08] with just so many hormonal cascades are triggered and including serotonin so your serotonin start production starts to increase and of course that's your feel good you know people just associate it with the happy hormone the feel good hormone um so but do immediately like when people are

[00:30:26] outside in the morning and exposed to like even if it's cloudy or raining you still get the benefits you just feel better it's gonna be a good day yeah and the thing about your

[00:30:38] yeah and the thing about serotonin is it's kind of stored up during the day and then it's converted to melatonin at night so it's like a precursor for melatonin so if you want like really great

[00:30:50] sleep you want to be outside at all these different times and I know people are probably sitting there like oh my gosh like yeah if I worked at home I could do all these things but we're not talking

[00:31:00] about you know having to go outside every day I mean we're talking about like you know when my son's in school I'm rolling down the window on my way to school my car window so I can get that that

[00:31:12] lighting message into my brain you can open your window at home you can go outside for two minutes every you know two three hours just for your body to get that correct lighting message

[00:31:24] but that uva rise is really super interesting and the other thing about the uva rise like so right now we're recording in what June so I get some I actually have a nice like yeah long days we're

[00:31:38] at almost the longest time of the year and um we have a ton of uv uvb here in Wisconsin right now and like I have a nice tan but I haven't burned at all all year and the key come the key to that is

[00:31:52] to go outside in the morning light when it's not as bright and it's not as intense and that uva kind of acts like as a primer to kind of prime the body prime the skin for what's coming later that

[00:32:05] and more intense uvb light that makes gets us tan and helps us to um you know make you've make vitamin d as well um but it's like a primer like it primes your body for for that more intense

[00:32:21] light coming so if you're one of these people who hardly ever goes outside and then all of a sudden it's a nice day and you go outside at noon and you lay out for an hour or two of course you're

[00:32:30] going to burn because your body is like what the heck like I thought it was I didn't know it was June I'm you know I thought it was 72 degrees all you know I'm sitting in the 72 under artificial

[00:32:42] lighting all the time I have no idea what time of the year so so much a metabolic health is just you know sinking yourself back up to what's natural and normally you know what humans are supposed

[00:32:53] to be but yeah uva and uvb is is fascinating but if you can even for five ten minutes during that uva rise it's helpful I may change my my right my regimen here maybe maybe do some

[00:33:06] paddling early in the morning I think 5 30 is is sunrise at least that's what they tell me yeah so 7 30 8 is a couple hours afterwards yeah our sunrise is super early right now it's like

[00:33:17] five oh five or something and uvb this morning I checked on the app it was like 6 18 to 8 12 and it changes changes all the time 16 hour days yeah forever yes and then that uvb was like you

[00:33:32] know it's like a 12 hour window right now which is really nice but um it's just it's the time of the year but yeah that app really helps because it's it's um it just downloaded it all right yeah yeah

[00:33:46] I'm like okay I gotta look at this this is interesting and I didn't know there was an app for it so that was like a circadian circadian app is what it's called right you know yep yeah yeah I just there's

[00:33:56] a free version that I I just use the free version um so it tells me when all of these things are occurring and yeah right now I'm taking full advantage of of storing up the the vitamin D in my

[00:34:10] body because there's many months coming that I won't get any uvb but so you do a lot of fasting intermittent fasting recommending this to your patients is there for the average listener here

[00:34:23] who's cycling okay woman that's cycling what does your recommend for us like when in her cycle should she be doing the fast and when she shouldn't be what what have you found because this is this is

[00:34:35] your wheelhouse yeah I get this question a lot um and like I said I wasn't particularly as careful as I should have been um and I didn't like my female hormones I'm 48 I'm still cycling every month

[00:34:49] which I'm like okay it's gonna any day now done um and I'd be okay with that like I want to keep my hormones but you know right right um but yeah so day one is when you start the bleed so you

[00:35:03] typically for most women from day one when they start the bleed up until ovulation which is roughly days 10 through 14 um there's some women have symptoms where they kind of know ovulation is

[00:35:17] coming in some don't but that is the best time to do a little bit more fasting and a little like women tend to ask to handle if they're gonna do some longer fast I don't recommend a ton of long

[00:35:30] fasts um but if they wanted to do like a 24 hour fast or a couple 24 hour fast during those weeks that works well usually the week before your menstrual cycle tends to be the hardest like I

[00:35:46] don't really recommend a lot of intermittent fasting and not longer fast during that time just because progesterone is rising and and you're hungrier like you're priming your body's

[00:35:57] thinking it's priming itself for a baby so um that's just a hard time to fast and a better time to just do your time restricted eating and um sometimes some carbohydrate flexing that week can be helpful too

[00:36:12] and when I say carbohydrate flexing I'm not like what does that mean going from 100 grams to 300 it's like you know I usually sit for carbohydrates somewhere between 75 and 100 that's just kind of

[00:36:24] I'm comfortable so I'm not like I'm I'm not extremely low carb I'm not keto by any means some days I probably am I don't really count but um I'm more of a liberal low carb but I don't have

[00:36:36] way to lose I don't have insulin resistance anymore and so we have a hard time getting into ketosis don't you I don't really honestly ketosis that often but um yeah I mean I can like the signs that I

[00:36:50] know I'm in ketosis like I can feel it in my my mouth like the the taste of it I can um yeah and then I get cold too like those are kind of two things that that happen for me um but yeah so I might

[00:37:04] flex up to like 125 grams of carbohydrates like usually I'm saying let's flex somewhere between 15 and 30 grams of carbohydrate it's not like we're flexed we're not eating like a cake or I mean like I'm not going nuts. We're adding you know some some different higher you know

[00:37:26] start to your foods for a day or two um because yeah the the whole point of like the courses that I teach is to make you metabolically flexible it's not for you to be in ketosis all the time.

[00:37:38] The problem we have most people have is they're only carb burning right they're eating too many carbs or they they have glycogen stores that are maxed out a lot and so they never get to

[00:37:50] the point of needing to fat burn and that becomes a problem so you kind of break your metabolic machinery is kind of what I like to say so we want to be able to burn fat we

[00:38:01] want to be able to burn carbs and there's you know you want to flex back and forth so what I typically am teaching people in my courses is to lower their insulin levels

[00:38:13] and get your body used to burning fat and then we cycle in some carbohydrate days so that your body doesn't forget to burn you know how to burn carbs either it's you want to be able to burn

[00:38:24] both fuels and that's how you know humans evolved for thousands of years and now we just have so much carbohydrate available to us and we're eating things that are first of all not meant to be eaten

[00:38:39] we're eating foods at our foods and then we're eating things that are so far from our natural environment that our bodies just get so confused they're like what the heck what is this food

[00:38:52] and then you know what are we supposed to do with it and so it just becomes so problematic over time but that's going back to the menstrual cycle um that's typically what I suggest is um and then

[00:39:06] the the the time between ovulation and then starting to bleed again like that week before the period's kind of out but some women still feel okay like that to continue week yeah like

[00:39:20] from like day 14 to 21-ish they can you know kind of depends on the person um I can tell I get a little bit hungrier like that week before and then I usually back off with my strength training a

[00:39:32] little bit I just am not as intensely exercising I do more walking that week and and that helps to just protect the hormones and protect your sleep and protect athletic athletic performance is

[00:39:46] definitely going to go down when progesterone levels are elevated it can um some you know some women notice it more than others I'll be honest I don't work with like a lot of like really high

[00:39:58] level athletes I'm working with people who are pretty metabolically broken and so I don't see that a whole lot but in a lot of times we're just trying to reestablish a regular menstrual cycle because fertility has been very compromised because the metabolic health is so terrible

[00:40:13] and that's so broken so just getting them getting them fertile again is huge because that's just a sign that your body is so much healthier and you can conceive because if you don't have your fertility

[00:40:25] that should be a red flag to any woman like if you're not cycling like if you're of cycling age not cycling that can be one of the primary indicators that we've gotten your body a lot

[00:40:36] healthier and reestablish some some some healthier patterns for sure. Do you deal with people with PCOS? Yeah I do. How does that is that pretty rewarding that must be it's kind of a riot it's kind of fun.

[00:40:53] My daughter will be 21 in a few weeks and she's struggled with PCOS for probably five years and we didn't know it until about three years ago and she's been like one of my biggest

[00:41:06] braggarts PCOS is very challenging and it can differ from woman to woman for sure but a lot of times insulin resistance and circadian health is at the root cause of it and she also

[00:41:19] had really high cortisol levels in the morning so yeah you can be a little bit of a metabolic disaster with PCOS but there's hope like there's and a lot of people are predispositioned for it

[00:41:33] but again it's our environment that sets you up to develop these very modern diseases that weren't a problem 100 years ago 200 years ago and and it's interesting because you know hundreds of years ago women who are predispositioned for PCOS would probably have done better than those who

[00:41:57] were not just because hormonally they were more sensitive but in this in our modern day and age it's it's very common I think it's like it's somewhere in the woods of 15 to 20 percent of you know younger generations developing PCOS and it's it's a frustrating disease but

[00:42:21] you can a lot of frustrating to watch yeah I got I got a walmart trip to walmart and I'm like or anywhere in public you're like oh man I wish I could tell you I wish I could tell you that hey

[00:42:34] you're you have a significant insulin resistance problem here this is fixable you don't have to have the acne the facial hair the balding the acanthosis you can actually be fertile right like and and this this is it's almost the simplest thing ever yeah is to all of a

[00:42:55] sudden make somebody from infertile to fertile yeah and what a rewarding thing to do yes and the very frustrating thing about the conventional medical system is if you go to your doctor and

[00:43:08] you say you have these symptoms what are they gonna do you know what they're gonna do they're gonna say let's put you on the pill to regulate your period yeah all that does is mask

[00:43:17] your hormonal issues throws off the messaging from the brain to the ovaries that's cut off and then you want to have a baby and it's your hormone issues are still there they're just exacerbated

[00:43:31] and and then what do they do from there they send you to a fertility clinic right it's just what a waste it's such a waste and really lifestyle and fixing your environment is what your food environment your lighting environment your circadian environment that's what's going to

[00:43:50] help you get fertile again yeah I'd imagine 20 of the population becoming fertile we would kind of fix this population implosion problem just by fixing the fertility issue yeah yeah fertility issues are devastating another another drug they put people on a spurnal lactone

[00:44:08] and i'll you know to try to decrease testosterone these women are walking around with more than normal levels of testosterone yeah and they're wondering why you got here huge issue and yeah men are lacking testosterone and the whole too much estrogen yeah well that yes

[00:44:28] and then testing the normal ranges are changing because we're so sick they just changing the normal range the testosterone ranges are now like a third the normal range of what they used to be

[00:44:41] we're sampling a sick population we're saying that these are the cutoffs exactly so wrong it is and it's you know sometimes it just seems like such an upward upward battle and upward climb but

[00:44:55] it is like you said it's so rewarding at the same time and yeah I mean to get somebody from not fertile the fertile is it's a huge blessing and and what the part this fresh

[00:45:09] straight because I go to the gym and and that is it's takes all my power to not speak up because I just see these people are so frustrated they're doing the treadmill they're doing everything that they shouldn't be doing and they have these

[00:45:21] young ripped personal trainers helping these yes well and you're like this not gonna work whatever advice you're giving these people works for you but not for them yeah this is not appropriate it's our terrible guidelines like it's not people's fault it's

[00:45:38] the terrible guidelines it's the terrible environment that we expect them to get well in and um yeah I mean we're just so stuck on exercise more eat less and so like I think you're so right

[00:45:52] I see this all the time on like my Instagram accounts when I'll post something about like you need to fix your hormones in order to fix your metabolic health and you know you always

[00:46:04] get the young trainers like oh it's just count just reduce your calories that's all you need to do it's like yeah those are like young men in their 20s trying to tell women who are very menopausal how

[00:46:16] to fix their hormones it's like those guys can take pizza and garbage and create anything they want my sons are almost 19 and 6 like I can see what their metabolic health is crazy because they

[00:46:29] can eat all the junk right now and and they just wait boys just wait wait till you get that belly you can get away with that right now but I'm just teaching you what when it when it catches up with

[00:46:45] you I don't know my husband is 49 and um I mean things have caught up he was always the same like his metabolism is just crazy he's never had to worry you know it's like he weighed

[00:46:57] the same within a couple of pounds of what I met him until like probably three four years ago and not that he like had all these huge changes but he definitely has to be you know at least be mindful

[00:47:09] of it yeah don't eat that crap in front of me right oh gosh I yeah so I tell my boys I'm like well you know we grew up in a different environment than you did you know so it's probably gonna

[00:47:22] up with you sooner eventually it did to me I mean I was like skinny as a real I mean I I could not put on weight and I was eating these protein shakes couldn't figure out why

[00:47:32] I was losing weight because it just it made me bloated and just rip right through me I ended up becoming dehydrated and I couldn't put on muscle to save my life yeah I was like

[00:47:42] but I would I would say now that I fixed my fueling issue I'm stronger and healthier now than when I was in my 20s yeah I can't run as fast and I certainly wouldn't want to run

[00:47:54] like I was running before long distances like that's to me almost seems silly but um it's just the pounding the pounding the pavement right yeah that's why I feel like the paddle boarding which is a low impact sport it's the same thing you're getting your cardio you're

[00:48:10] getting your balance you're getting your core workout it's been kind of like that was like hey how can I fuel my body to create the best older athlete and I think we're both trying to

[00:48:21] create the same thing and these older people how can we create a better older athlete or a more functional grandparent or parent right here's these are these are some worthwhile goals here like not to run a marathon necessarily but it's right functionality can you can

[00:48:38] how long can you hang right how long can you do a squat right some of these like good ideas are functional functional tests like can you jump can you fall off of a step from such a height

[00:48:52] can you stop yourself from falling yes yeah oh yeah physical stuff too what was that are you doing a lot of the physical training like you you're obviously encouraging exercise

[00:49:03] yeah yeah um it depends on the population and you know kind of where they're starting at and I used to be a distance runner while I did aerathons I did lots of half marathons and I don't do that I

[00:49:17] I if I run it's like once a week and it's low mileage I mainly walk now the zone two and I do strength training a couple times a week um good and for me for a woman who's 48 like it's just

[00:49:32] that that and I think a lot of that set me up for some of my cortisol dysregulation as well because what we're getting up at over training yes and in the morning that's when I would go

[00:49:45] because that's when you know I could run with my running buddy and but yeah it's so important and so I just I mentioned my dad just coming out of the hospital he's 76 so he's not like

[00:49:56] really old I mean he's he's old by some people's standard but he had a very physical job his whole life he was very strong and um you know my I remember like my my um teenage male friends

[00:50:11] be like wow your dad's pretty ripped I'm like yeah well he lifts all day based on this job but then he retired and he put on so much weight you know he kept eating like he was doing his physical

[00:50:22] job and it got almost getting older and um lost so much strength in the last year or so and a lot of things have happened but he fell like the reason he went to the hospital two weeks ago because he

[00:50:33] fell and he laid there for 20 hours from the time like his last visitor was there he couldn't get to his phone he couldn't pull himself up and it just made me so sad so I'm like oh my gosh

[00:50:46] here's my dad who was like a horse you know a workhorse and now he can't pull himself up from the bathroom floor he couldn't crawl he couldn't get himself his core was so weak and so now he's in

[00:50:58] rehab but it just goes to show like you said like I like the strength class that I go to a lot of it is just the activities of daily life that we're working on maintaining the muscle strength even

[00:51:10] if you're not looking to like build a lot of muscle strength maintaining your muscle strength as you age and so that's why I'm encouraging all my students and women especially to get some

[00:51:23] sort of strength training during off the machine yes oh gosh I know get off the machine start lifting what's crazy is that you can develop muscle at any age and I think it was a an interview with

[00:51:38] peter atia and uh luke van loon who's talking about like how people like it's always some sort of event they lose a ton of muscle very quickly I mean it's a lot of muscle in a short

[00:51:48] period of time and we it's so difficult to regain it yes yes it is and it's like you see it yourself I am then there's been stretches where maybe I go a week and a half is about the longest I go without

[00:52:01] any strength training if you're on vacation or you're sick or whatever it is and it's like you go back even that first day and you're like oh like I feel like I've lost some gains already

[00:52:12] 10 days and then yeah you take into consideration like my dad was laying in a hospital bed for 11 days then I'm like yeah I mean oh hospitals that is that's not uncommon though for people to be like

[00:52:24] found down and they've been down there for several days even they're completely dehydrated and they can't get up yeah they're the yeah yeah and then they go to hospital and they're under all the fluorescent lighting they don't go outside they have no fresh air and you know they're

[00:52:38] being woke up all night it's like and then the whole food thing that was I've been waiting for that I was like you know this is about the worst environment you could be in like you're being

[00:52:50] monitored and I'm thankful for that but other than that this is not a good place for you to be to get well but how much longer before they start using cgms in the hospital that's what needs to

[00:53:06] I don't know why it's so hard to get a cgem in the European countries a lot of them they're over the counter you can get them and I work with a company where I can't get them shipped to anybody but it

[00:53:18] shouldn't be so hard to get a cgm because they're just so telling as to what's going on and like I wouldn't have known about my severe cortisol issues and I'm an educate I educate people on

[00:53:31] blood you know right you should know right I wish more dietitians knew and they would be more people like you well and I it's just it's just when you're taught in the conventional system you think that

[00:53:43] that is what's right and true but it's kind of crazy it's like I I don't want to label but there's a lot of overweight dietitians and there's a lot of dietitians with eating disorders as well so

[00:53:57] it just goes to show the industry definitely needs so needs so much work and until I came out of the conventional system I went you know you kind of have blinders on like with any system I didn't know

[00:54:10] what I didn't know and they tell you like so much a part of the training is you're the nutrition expert you're the nutrition expert don't let you know like anybody yes some states have laws

[00:54:23] against that yes well so you see behind my name are dn and they put that used to be just registered dietitian and now they stick the n on there for registered dietitian nutritionists because they

[00:54:36] want to protect the dietitians of against you know anybody calling themselves a nutritionist it's like well I reach myself pretty much everything that I teach now I it's not that I learned this

[00:54:48] school you know I mean yeah in the biology and the biochemistry but then you go out into your internship and you just teach what what the academy has taught other dietitians to teach and

[00:55:02] it's it's really sad calorie that's it yeah trying to protect your life trying to protect your livelihood essentially right it's like hey not everyone can give this this advice only I am specifically designed to give food advice and you're right it falls on deaf ears when a dietitian

[00:55:21] is telling showing you pictures of food showing this is what and this is the size of the plate is so this is so tiny look look how tiny this is right and and you you don't even give meal

[00:55:33] plans which I think is awesome like we don't need to worry about portion control you're saying hey let your appetite and and your your food not be this this stressful thing like eating shouldn't

[00:55:48] be so crazy but it's falling on deaf ears because people it's not their fault I agree the dietitians the pharmacists the doctors they're all being told something that doesn't work and they're all wondering why they're overweight right and it's it's not getting through to the patients but

[00:56:06] someone like you's healthy I'll be like okay now I'm listening tell me tell me what you've done because everyone always asks hey I want to know what you're eating walk me through one of your

[00:56:15] days right tell me tell me what kind of life that you live and here you are like the example and you're walking the talk I love that yeah people like nutrition should be so personalized

[00:56:27] and some people get kind of cranky when I say I don't have a meal plan for you in my course because it doesn't teach you anything it does I can give you a two-week meal plan and half the food

[00:56:37] you don't like some of the food is not going to be appropriate for you it's you're you're not gonna feel good eating some of it like you know and some people carb tolerance is different for everybody

[00:56:49] and everybody has what they like to eat and what they don't like and what their preferences are and again it's like okay what happens when you get to the end of the two-week meal plan

[00:56:58] then what do you do you want to keep repeat want me to keep writing you know like no I'm not doing that and so yeah I teach you about macronutrients and what they do and I teach you about how to

[00:57:10] regulate your blood sugar because that is critical to how you feel all day long and whether or not you're gonna want to eat more food and whether you're gonna have crazy and binge and and all

[00:57:21] this right meal timing and then like I said that the lighting component is critical too because it's going to help enhance your blood sugar regulation or it's gonna help to deregulate your your blood sugar regulation and what's interesting is like I'm trying to get this point

[00:57:39] across to more and more people like you can take the same meal at the same time of the day like eat it at 9 a.m. versus 9 p.m. and it'll have completely different effects on your blood

[00:57:48] or you and then the same thing you can eat that meal under like harsh fluorescent lighting that's artificial eat the meal and then you eat that same meal outside in the sunlight and it's

[00:58:00] different effects because of all the body is going to take it up and utilize it and so if people can just like understand these little practical tips of when you're eating your meal what environment you're eating it in and then of course the macronutrients play a role too

[00:58:19] and then another going even a step further it's like well are you eating food that's like to like meant for you locally because that can play a role too it's like if we're

[00:58:30] eating in the middle of the winter pineapples that are growing in Costa Rica and we eat you know all these pineapples in Wisconsin when we don't have that lighting environment that supports it and we wonder why our blood sugar skyrockets to 250 it's like well we're probably

[00:58:50] not meant to be eating that right now in Wisconsin and that's not in season yeah it's in season and our body isn't kind of primed for it so again it just goes back to matching

[00:59:02] your body with your environment and and being in tandem with nature and it's just we've just gotten so far away from it and we want to we've made things so complicated like

[00:59:15] people want to say why so in your course are you going to tell me exactly what I'm going to eat no I'm not I'm not going to do that I'm going to give you targets yes because we want to

[00:59:24] meet targets and if we eat you know protein and fat without much carbohydrate in the morning that's going to help our blood sugar all day long yes we want to do that but I'm not

[00:59:34] going to tell you exactly what to eat all day because you don't right and I will tell you you know across the board I'm always telling people to eat you know nor you know whole food

[00:59:45] that's unprocessed and I'm trying to you know get them all off the crappy seed oils and that sort of thing but beyond that like it's up to you like you have to learn how to put your food together

[00:59:56] you're never going to be successful if I'm just you know shuttling out meal plans for you is what you're going to eat today it's Tuesday this is what you're supposed to eat yeah so tell me

[01:00:08] tell me about your practice tell me about your practice and then tell me a little bit about your book yeah so I used to see um I mainly have courses that I have uh people learned from

[01:00:22] because I was doing a lot of one-on-one work and teaching people the same thing over and over so I'm like okay I'm just gonna record it all and you get all of it and then you can apply it

[01:00:34] and then what I do with my community members who are in my courses I then have them download an app where they can text me or voice memo me and get in touch that if they need additional help and

[01:00:44] people they do really really well with that um so I have one-on-one is that one-on-one with you the app is one-on-one yeah that's cool excellent yeah they have access to you well um yep they direct

[01:00:57] access to me I used to do my academy is called low insulin academy and I used to do the program live a couple times a year and I might go back to doing that I'm not doing that right now but they get

[01:01:10] the app instead and they just it's nice because they can join at any time then they don't have to wait like two months until I do the program again um and then I'm putting together a program

[01:01:19] right now called family foundations because that addresses metabolic health for families um I've been trying to get that out for two years oh the kids are waiting they need this oh every day is more

[01:01:35] kids are getting fatter and fatter I get so sad I substitute Tom that's it's another whole story for about five years when I was deciding if I wanted to be a dietitian or not and I pulled out of

[01:01:46] the conventional system I'm like I can't be a dietitian anymore well this is where you belong oh and I did well I did substitute teaching in the meantime and it's just oh it broke my heart I and

[01:01:56] the the crap that they're taught in the schools too and the oh it's just a whole big mess um but family foundations will address metabolic health for entire families because they just they need it

[01:02:08] and it's just getting back to foundational things that we just don't do anymore um so that's how I work with with people now um I have a podcast called optimal metabolism that um it's what I just

[01:02:25] put out 186 I think there's wow good for you there's there's a ton of information there um and then I'm really active on Instagram too people learn a lot from my account you really focus on blood sugar and optimizing our environment and and optimizing metabolic health

[01:02:46] so so that's how people can work with me and then my book I actually published in 2020 so it definitely can use some updates but it's mostly about being started with intermittent fasting

[01:02:59] and how you know the science behind it and and a lot of things that we talked about with fasting um but if you need to get started it's called fast to heal um but yeah that's that's how I'm

[01:03:11] working with people now um but yeah that family foundations I've been um really trying to put out from time things to my 2024 has been crazy with my family life with family right but man I

[01:03:27] can't I mean you must be feeling pretty inspired as a mom trying to help all these kids well I don't know if my kids are inspired by no no but as a mom you automatically like innately feel for

[01:03:42] these kids having a less than less than active life it's just a life full of suffering yeah and even like really active kids I know my boys were both very sporty and we just kind of grew up on the

[01:03:54] the sport circuit and there are so many like really active kids who are just missing certain components that are setting them up for poor metabolic health and yeah it's like if you

[01:04:06] are metabolically broken as a child I mean you're just it sets you up for disaster as an adult but it can be overcome but I do think with kids it's like you can't just like oh okay we're

[01:04:20] gonna we're gonna do all of these interventions for my one child like it's gotta be a family family involvement and a whole family situation that we make from the parents edges starting with the parents yeah so they can they can get access to this course when you're ready

[01:04:40] I'm sure uh and that is going to be focused around the whole family working together to try to improve the health of yes yes it's so needed it's so hard to do with a lot of the things

[01:04:52] that we talked about today so focusing on nutrition and you know how to optimize nutrition without singling out your kids and how to correct your lighting environment to be conducive to good blood sugar regulations and activity and and stress and sleep like optimizing sleep in your kids and

[01:05:12] greens and all of that stuff it's just okay it's a whole lifestyle like a whole parenting lifestyle it's all based for sure yeah because I get a ton of parents you know right now I've

[01:05:24] just been at my low insulin academy it's more adult focused and there's just so many parents and they're like oh my kids like I don't know what to do like they're so yeah and there's been so many

[01:05:36] people who've gone through low insulin academy and their spouse is like down board and done so well I love it that's like my favorite thing it's nice when a couple works together and not

[01:05:49] sabotage each other and they're teaching their kids and then the whole next generation is changed and so that that is like why I started my you know my practice on my own is just I'm like if I

[01:06:05] can even just change a couple of families I will have feel really happy yeah I can tell you have so much passion for helping people and that's obviously why you went into this in the

[01:06:17] first place not to mention like you became a teacher that's that's really cool like your your your heart's in the right place and I'm sure that fuels you that your results really fuel your passion to keep going and making more you know creating more material and helping people

[01:06:33] get healthier and changing lifestyle but yours is all encompassing it's not just food as a dietitian that's odd yeah oh yeah it's refreshing though started you know more food base but now I

[01:06:46] know that it's not just food like food plays a huge role but there's a lot of people who fix their food and they're just so careful about their food intake you know they've gone through the testing

[01:06:59] they've gone through the food sensitivities they've done all the things and they're still missing something and that's where we look more at like circadian health and the lightening and the food timing like that that is all right I'm sure but but data driven yes you're

[01:07:15] right you got to know what you're actually taking on I'm like a lot of people think like this the stuff can be woo-woo and like oh well if I just have to watch the sunrise what like that just

[01:07:24] seems too simple right but if you type in any you know pub med or any search and you put in red light therapy and you know diabetes or whatever it is or watching sunrise and PCOS

[01:07:39] you will see the studies are there it's just the sunlight is free it's a free therapy and so it's not like it seems too simple right and um but it's still going back to what we are as humans

[01:07:55] they're going hey let's go back 50 000 years like what were we doing if we weren't an artificial anything no right I think I think carbohydrates are artificial all winter long like what we're

[01:08:07] doing now even cooking like that's a lot of work yeah some of this stuff I got food available it just ran by me I'll be right back you know well carbohydrates require UVB light to grow and so

[01:08:21] if we don't have that in our environment we just shouldn't be eating a lot of that stuff and I think too like that's where people um you know who who are doing the ketogenic carnivore lifestyle like

[01:08:34] there's definitely a time and place and a lot of my students in community have seen good healing office but they're doing it year round they can get in trouble with that too because

[01:08:43] now when we have a ton of UVB light and we should be in you know implementing some of those plant foods that are local and natural to us you know we can come out of that carnivore

[01:08:56] keto space a little bit more and cycle some more carbohydrates in but then yeah you're right like winter dark that's not the time to be eating bananas and and pineapples stuff that there's

[01:09:13] so much UVB light and then here I am in Wisconsin getting no exposure and I bring that into my body and my body's like what like this does not my environment at all so let's see as a white person

[01:09:24] he paid it but once it clicks it's like oh yeah that makes a lot of this isn't natural this is what I should be doing yeah thank you so much this has been really fun I mean I I'd never get to

[01:09:35] talk to a dietitian on this level it's usually we're arguing about what kind of foods that you're trying to promote so and this is this is really refreshing and so people can get a hold of

[01:09:47] you through your website as well as Instagram yeah so my website is actually being done as we record this it's being redone and right now it's fast to heal.info but it's going to be changing to

[01:10:00] shannahussanwellness.com it's not live yet but either you know you put in either one and you're gonna find it redirected to me and then my instagram is shanna.hussan.rdn

[01:10:14] so yeah and my name is kind of strange so you just put me oh yeah you're one of a kind you're gonna find me so that's fantastic so thank you for coming on this has been fun

[01:10:26] you're welcome you have a great day enjoy your what 16 hours of daylight today it's crazy here I'll take I've been taking full advantage but this has been a fun conversation