Community College Plants Entrepreneurial Seeds with Dr. Garrett Hinshaw, President CVCC

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[00:01:02] about startups and small business with ideas, tools, and advice to operate your business more effectively. On today's show, we have a special guest, Dr. Garrett Hinshaw, President of Catole Valley Community College. We'll join us to talk about the Community College's

[00:01:16] role in promoting entrepreneurship. Side note, Dr. Hinshaw is our boss so we're going to do our best to clean up our language on this particular episode. Plus, we'll have our lightning round. We've got some interesting small businesses that you should be checking out. Greetings, my

[00:01:31] name is Jeff Neuvel. I'm your co-host. I'm Director of the Small Business Center and currently the Director of the Manufacturing Solutions Center at Catole Valley Community College in Hickory, North Carolina. I'm joined by my co-host, Gary Mueller, who is executive dean of

[00:01:47] economic development, corporate development center and I don't know what other titles have been thrust upon you since we last spoke, Gary. How are you doing? I'm doing great. Jeff, you're doing

[00:01:56] really well with the titles. Okay, well we're going to keep giving you time so we get it right. I appreciate it because they're cheap, right? Better than giving you a raise. That's what we say.

[00:02:07] That's what we do in the business world. Things are going well. Much better than they were two weeks ago. Well, so for our listeners, Gary, you're back, you're hurt, you're leg, you've been like

[00:02:17] limpin' around like a troll, you know, you've not, you've not looked good, but you're improving. Yes, they seem walking upright now. You're walking upright in while you're doing it. It's kind of weird. I often feel like, you know, it's trying to straighten you out and you

[00:02:31] limp the way, but you're also in Atlanta for the National Skills USA Conference and you're limping around Atlanta, but our Contabelle Community College teams did well. They did fantastic. We're very blessed with our students and our advisors. We won nine national medals for gold,

[00:02:50] one silver, and four bronze. But more importantly, I think is that we competed in 19 competitions and we finished in the top 10 and 16, which is pretty amazing. I mean, that shows the depth and breadth of the programs all across our campus. And we want to gold medal in entrepreneurship,

[00:03:07] which we were here in our field. We either want to gold or silver. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. So we got that. That says a lot for you and me and our special guests. He's a

[00:03:18] well, I really is the reason we have a skills USA program. Well, let's welcome our guest, Dr. Gerard Hinsha. Dr. Hinsha, how are you doing today? I'm doing wonderful Jeff to get to be with you and Gary. Trying to keep y'all straight now. Travel. So let's roll.

[00:03:32] That's not tough. Thank you. We appreciate your efforts in that. For our listeners, Dr. Hinsha has been the president of the Commit... I'm talking about community college since 2006. And since the time when I first met him shortly thereafter, he's made it very clear that his goal is

[00:03:51] for a top valiant to be the best community college in America. And if we look at various ratings and rankings and things, top valiant community college has done very well. I don't know if

[00:04:02] there is... It's not like there is an AP poll to say who is the number one community college? There are lots of different ways to rank community colleges but we've done pretty well for ourselves.

[00:04:09] So I know absolutely and it's about the people that are there in the Commitment to help in our students and really working in our community and being a partner with so many different agencies and organizations that makes that happen. And when you look at our graduation rates

[00:04:24] and and you look at the cost of going to CVCC, it's a great value for young people and and older people alike. So we're very proud of what we're doing there in red haltingation.

[00:04:36] So some of our listeners might think that we invited you on here just because you are boss and we want to be nice to you. Or some of our listeners might think that we invited you on

[00:04:45] because they know from listening that I went to Chapel Hill in the Carolina fan and I wanted to poke you because you're a Duke basketball fan and things that end as well for Duke as you might

[00:04:55] have like, but that's not why we invited you on. We invited you on because you have been a big proponent of entrepreneurship throughout not only the college but also in our community. So we really want to bring you on to talk about your perspective on how community colleges

[00:05:16] should be promoting entrepreneurship can be promoting entrepreneurship but why should community colleges and care about entrepreneurship? Well first of all Jeff, 2022 is going to be a year that will live an infamy for Duke Blue Devil fans but we are going to look for 2023. So we know

[00:05:32] you care a lot of fans are going to hang on to this one forever and that's fine. We will accept that. Well we always in UCs. Okay. And by the way, this is just a perfect example. I swank four

[00:05:42] spans or anything. I don't know how to say it. Try it. You're scubbering. That's just a lot of things. I can show us a way for a span. Absolutely. Well actually Dr. Hinchack actually pulls

[00:05:53] for many North Carolina schools so there's no question. It's not like he's just totally in the back for Duke. So we don't want to make him as a total villain here but let's talk about entrepreneurship

[00:06:04] and why should the community college even you know what role they play? Why should they care about entrepreneurship? Well entrepreneurship is a mindset. It's relevant for every individual who whether they're working for an organization or whether they're leading an organization or home

[00:06:18] the organization. It's about problem solving. It's about understanding value and how to create value for the organization. It's really looking at that bottom line and just like new business startups do every chance you get, you should be evaluating yourself and making sure that

[00:06:35] you're still bringing that value so that you can stay in business. And that's what workers should do too. So entrepreneurship is for everyone. It's really the way we think. It's the way we process information. It's the way we look at things. Entrepreneurs are very optimistic. They're very

[00:06:53] tenacious in what they do and so we want every student to experience that that comes through a top of value community college. So yeah I think some listeners might think that an our listener typically folks at my Pstarting Businesses or thinking about starting businesses

[00:07:10] and probably share that it's a mindset and process. I think there are sometimes challenges with larger organizations and maybe I don't, I mean this with all respect bureaucratic type organizations to how do you get that mindset into into the ranks. I've been in large organizations,

[00:07:34] Gary's been in large organizations and I think we probably find there some people that embrace it and others people are looking at the clock. Yeah those are the people that are going

[00:07:45] to be in a large organization and they're just looking at the clock and punching in and punching out. They're not committed to division, they're not committed to the ultimate outcomes that you're trying to create. And that's a real issue for most businesses and organizations across the country

[00:08:00] and being able to embed entrepreneurship in an entrepreneurial way of thinking and being consistent with that and repetitive with it is a key aspect of any leadership team that's whether you're leading large organization or a very small business. You've got to assure that your employees are engaged,

[00:08:19] that they understand their value proposition and that they are thinking innovatively in terms of what's the next big thing to take us to the next level, whether it's in an apartment or whether

[00:08:30] it's from a whole business perspective. So as the president of a college, the leader of a large organization in terms of steps that God of Alachimony colleges take into integrate entrepreneurship into its culture. What sort of steps have you taken or would you recommend other people

[00:08:53] taking order to help engage the employee base to do that? Well the first thing you have to do is define it because a lot of people say the word which is very hard to say sometimes but harder to spell

[00:09:08] but to get a great definition this consistent and then begin to put programs and put activities around it is how that you build it into your culture. Also when you're bringing new employees in

[00:09:21] you have that conversation with them early to understand that they can be creative, they can make a difference within the organization and every role is important regardless of where it sets up in the organizational structure but making sure that it's a part of a regular conversation whether

[00:09:39] it's in meetings or whatever is the key aspect to embedding it into the culture of any business regardless of how large or how small. Yeah I appreciate that you say that you want employees

[00:09:55] to be able to take some risks and set out I mean we at my old business we used to tell people it's okay to take risks it's okay to make mistakes we really can't afford you to make the same

[00:10:08] mistakes over and over you have to you have to be able to learn from those mistakes and be able to do something with them. Yeah failure is our best teacher and you know and taking the information

[00:10:19] and the experience and the emotions of failing and then assuring that you're preparing yourself not to do it again is a key aspect of any any new business operator it's looking at the opportunities

[00:10:32] and saying that you know I'm going to take this risk I may fall flat on my face but having a culture that embraces that and says it's okay to fail that's how we learn that's how we grow

[00:10:44] and that's how we understand value propositions and working as a team you come up with much better solutions than any individual will. That's why you've been successful in our college as you've been able

[00:10:55] to take those risks Jeff and I'm done for and you've been supportive of everything that we've done most of them turned up well but and all of them if we had to pivot we didn't win the

[00:11:09] reward but we knew that we had your back and you had our back and it works. Well that's the key component of it because you know if you're not taking a risk and really looking at how we do

[00:11:21] business differently you run the risk of becoming complacent and obsolete and once you do that then your value to your organization is diminished and that's when you need to worry about your future

[00:11:33] if you're brain value every day if you're if you're taking the risk to try new things to to serve the purpose of what the mission of your organization is you're always going to be

[00:11:43] in that game and of value to those people that are looking at your future. Talk to us a little bit one of your I'm going to say pet projects or just one of the areas I know that you put a lot of

[00:11:57] focus in is the role that entrepreneurship can play in rural communities and we're in North Carolina where you know at the top of county you know medium sized county in North Carolina but there are

[00:12:10] a lot of folks surrounding our area that are really qualified for rural areas and that's something that you've taken a real interest in and trying to find ways to promote entrepreneurship in rural communities.

[00:12:25] You know what's what concerns you about the I guess the lack of entrepreneurship in rural communities and what steps are have you taken to help with that issue? Well the way our social and economic ecosystem has developed we've seen an out migration away from rural areas about population

[00:12:44] basis moving more to the more urban areas so that makes these rural areas very fragile and it's an imperative for the community college you have their boots on the ground every day in that community

[00:12:56] to really be the catalyst when it comes to looking at how small businesses can come back and get going and be sustainable small business the development of small businesses is the backbone of

[00:13:07] economic development for rural areas more so than it is in urban we have to be we have to be clever we have to be creative because we don't have the assets that you see in more urban areas and so we

[00:13:19] have to leverage every asset and work together in partnership to assure that these rural areas remain vibrant and you you have worked to assist community colleges in addition to our own to create websites and programs to help promote entrepreneurship. Yeah and you know you look at all

[00:13:44] of our program our whole spectrum of programs these are our students that are looking at their future and being able to let them engage without external partners is one of the key assets of

[00:13:58] what we do whether it's in our graphic design department helping a new business get their website up and run and whether it's with accounting or or even you know you think of something like welding

[00:14:09] and you think well these people are going to work for somebody someday well these people are going on their own businesses someday and that's the way we approach our students letting them

[00:14:18] those opportunities are out there and they are possible and we're there to support them through that process. And I think that we've seen students who might be in welding or some of the

[00:14:32] I guess more vocational type programs that initially you might not say well that's you know they're going to go work from somebody you know these days are a lot of opportunities for them to put up their own

[00:14:42] shingle and do their own thing and have their own successful business. Yes, our most successful alumni are those the elder on businesses when you look at their financial records now I mean they are

[00:14:52] the ones that have seen the value and then been able to build successful businesses by folks and home the key core components of being an entrepreneur and that's critical for us to spawn those into really support them through their journey. Well we're doing that we're through the everyday

[00:15:10] entrepreneurship venture fund. So I mean that's where the partnership that you Dr. Hensha started with the National Association for Community College Entrepreneurship or NACs so you know talk a little bit about your thought process there and why you thought that would be a good

[00:15:27] thing to do. Well you know the majority across the country in world of small business startups they they do fail and for different reasons but a lot of times they need that financial

[00:15:39] shot and arm to get up and running they're not bringing a big checkbook into a new business there big spending everything they've got to get from one month to the next and put food on the table for

[00:15:50] their families and so being able to invest in these businesses gives them a better chance to be successful so what we want to see is that failure rate continue to decline we want to see more of

[00:16:01] our small business startups or in our entrepreneurs be successful long term that's when we are having a positive impact on our economy and that's when we're building a bottle of future for this whole region. So one thing that you've done is you've created a fund called everyday entrepreneur

[00:16:19] venture fund at our college in partnership with NAC where current students and recent graduates who have a true interest in starting a business can get a little startup grant to help them get down

[00:16:32] that road. Yeah great ideas die every day just because they may not feel like they have the support of the resources to move forward if we can do anything to spur those great ideas to reality

[00:16:42] them that we're being successful in what we've set up to do. Now now your friend and associate Tom Rue who is the director of a group called NCIDA which promotes entrepreneurship throughout

[00:16:58] North Carolina will be very happy to get on a soap box and we should have as a guest at some high-end times to say that state governments provide hundreds of millions of dollars in support

[00:17:11] tax breaks to large corporations to create X number of jobs and then if you look at the number of new businesses that are created each year and the lack of capital and support that goes to them it's

[00:17:25] a travesty but I'm sure he would use more colorful language in his mind. Well I would I would too yeah but it's really like being out in the ocean and just searching for a big fish you hunt

[00:17:36] and you hunt and you hunt that's what are entrepreneurs face every day whereas these big corporations they don't have to hunt as hard they're they're funny they're she didn't fish in a barrel. The

[00:17:45] resources are there for them and being able to help these people that are really looking at at a new future that's where we've got to lean in at and I hope that at some point during my tenure

[00:17:57] we see the state of North Carolina leaning on that and working with organizations like NCI did I serve on their board and being chairing to economic development corporation here in Katava County I get to see frontline I get to hear the stories of what's going on with

[00:18:13] the major businesses and yes we need them but we also need to share their resources available for any startups maybe one or two employees that's that's where the struggle is. And those big corporations often started with one or two employees. Yeah I think they started

[00:18:28] somewhere yeah never know which one's going to be the one that that provides that scalable growth through your community so now you've also been a big proponent of lifelong learning and and created a program called K64 tell our listeners a little bit about K64 and

[00:18:47] and you're thinking there. Yes the K64 was a vision of Mark's story and myself looking at this community and thinking you know we don't provide enough on an offer apps and seamless transitions

[00:18:59] for workers in the field from the time that they start and again starting in kindergarten going 64 which is their terminate is going to be older and the K64 was built to really assure

[00:19:15] that we are connected with individuals to get all and off the educational journey because we all have to continue to learn and some of us do it through research some of us do it you know

[00:19:26] through a lot of reading and then there's the formal education process and sometimes that's very intimidating for people. We're trying to take that intimidation factor out and assure that people feel comfortable saying I need another stackable credential and once they get to that point

[00:19:43] they see that they can increase their value to their company or to go into another company then we've got a mindset that's changed that doesn't just revolve around getting a degree. A

[00:19:53] degree is great a degree is value added to individuals as they get them but there's so many other credentials that they can be earning while they're pursuing those degrees and really benefiting their company and themselves personally and financially. I know something that that we

[00:20:10] hear I'm sure you hear a lot you know the least right now is the biggest challenge to whether it's a big business small businesses people and trying to find them, trying to prepare them for

[00:20:24] for jobs out there. Is there benefit to small businesses connecting to the community college? I know I know I think to your credit you've been pretty sensitive and built this sort of relationships within the community that try to understand what the needs are out there.

[00:20:42] You know hence we do a lot with furniture which is a very important industry in our area the manufacturing solution center which does a lot of work in textiles and whatnot which traditionally in our areas been very important. Are there ways that small businesses or entrepreneurs

[00:20:59] can be connecting with our community colleges to help them and finding it? Yeah when you look at community colleges we're right in the hub of everything. We partner directly with our local school systems, we partner directly with our university partners

[00:21:15] whether private or public and you know being that connected we're able to provide information and guidance and also pathways for individuals starting early on in their career because our biggest challenge is that sharing that all families have the information they need

[00:21:31] to make good choices once that's due to graduates from high school. We don't just slap them on the back and say congratulations to you. We give them that next step but that's what community

[00:21:41] colleges are all about is looking at that next step for the future of this community and building a talent pipeline that is robust and that's not they're we're still trying to crack right now.

[00:21:53] It's been a challenge, it's been a challenge for our businesses to find good employees that are going to show up every day that are going to understand the value that they can bring

[00:22:03] that company but we're going to work on it every day and that's how we walk in office we think of all right what's what are we going to do today that's going to change this

[00:22:13] pipeline problem that's affected our whole country. It's a challenge when you face every day and trying to get full time employees for our partners one of the ways we can do it is to internships and getting our students that are going through school to be doing internships of

[00:22:28] these companies it's a win-win for the person the student saying hey is this what I really want to do with my career but it's really important for the company because it's on the job interviewing

[00:22:38] yeah and seeing where the business. That's one of the biggest movements that we've got to go in right now Gary is that giving every student a work based learning opportunity number one to the student learns about the business they're able to build a relationship with a business and

[00:22:54] then that gives that business a chance to test drive that individual. Exactly and you know if it works out and it's very positive and that's their next employee well that's somebody that knows them that's not somebody coming close to the street and so those experiences are critical

[00:23:10] of what we do and we've got to be very intentional about how we connect our students our 5,000 students and then 10,000 year continued education students to our business partners. Trying to make the best fit. Another thing that you did five years ago actually it's a few

[00:23:29] you realize talking to business partners that our students not just needed the technical skills but the soft skills can you talk a little bit about that because I've been one of our

[00:23:38] biggest success. Every new program that we've started we've start with folks and on the core of the South Skills because that's what we hear from our business partners that they want people who can

[00:23:48] communicate. They want people that can problem solve. They want people that are going to show up so we place a premium on those core South Skills on the front end to the sure that an

[00:23:59] individual was ready to move into this and if they're not then we coach them and try to help them understand that you know when you get ready we're gonna be here but you're not ready yet. Right

[00:24:10] because we don't want to provide our business partners with someone who's not going to be of excellence and we're committed to that and we have a relentless commitment to it almost

[00:24:20] that we look at when we think about how we execute what we do. Well you really emphasized your important subject and your commitment to it because it is a requirement in many of our technical

[00:24:31] programs to complete a soft skills course. That wasn't here five years ago so now we have benefits everybody. I mean you think about it when we were going through our educational process

[00:24:43] I didn't have one South Skills course when I finished my four year degree and then finished my Master's degree still didn't have one then finished the terminal degree and Dr. Degree and still didn't

[00:24:52] have one well I needed those skills I needed them early I've learned them over time by myself but there was no intentionality about it through my education process. I'm gonna just pause for a moment because sort of a good transition to our sponsor

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[00:25:50] well thank you to make-of-RX so one last question for you Dr. Hintra just in terms of folks that are out there starting businesses these days just any advice based on what you're seeing out in the community talking with leaders in the community and state government what have you

[00:26:10] seen going on out there? Well the big thing I want to encourage everybody to do is to contact all the organizations and resources that are available here in this area and we have a program called

[00:26:20] startup kataba that brings all those assets together into one place and they can get a start-up kataba.com and they can see those partners the Chamber of Commerce that you can all develop a commission small business center the manufacturing solution center the SBTDCs with the

[00:26:38] university system all of those resources are at their fingertips plus their resources for financial assistance their resources for legal assistance for anything that a new business wants they can find it in one location with startup kataba.com there you go good advice we appreciate you joining us

[00:26:58] you know we're gonna hit you with our lightning round now if you're ready for it let's go all right let me see all right first questions a short short answer short answer questions what is your biggest pet peeve can't be employees that ask smart ask questions on podcast

[00:27:17] what is your biggest pet peeve my biggest pet peeve is our individuals that don't understand their value proposition and that takes time it's a lot of self reflection I know that's not short answer but that that really if someone doesn't really know their strengths of weaknesses how can

[00:27:35] they be a value to any business. John that's good favorite vacation spot favorite vacation spots in the mountains because it's cooler up there and I just like to sit out there and visit with nature.

[00:27:49] Mike Shashaski evil genius or evilist jesus coat of all time he is to go to Jeff Luke okay I think you're wrong there but all right the people in the fight beetles rolling stones are Michael Jackson definitely beetles favorite comfort food

[00:28:07] steak okay who is your all-time favorite baseball player that has to be Korea's dream ski. Yeah interesting okay last question if you had a super power what would it be? Hmm that's a good one because there's so many I would want to be able to replicate myself

[00:28:29] about 10 times so that I could be in 10 different places at one time so that I could solve a lot more like that idea replication power. Well I think we have to not have that but that would be fantastic.

[00:28:42] As a president my biggest challenge is time management and you know I want to be everywhere but there's just no way possible I can be and then sometimes people think they're well neglecting or I'm not neglecting

[00:28:54] them because I want to be there I just can't physically do everything. We know you still love us. Good answer. Oh with a few. Well I'm I'm not gonna ask you to I would say usually we say hey

[00:29:06] working people find you you can find out more about CVCC at www.cvccc.edu I don't you know you don't need to give out yourself I'm here on our podcast so

[00:29:18] you can learn about what CVCC's got going on and the good works that we're doing in the various resources that we have available there so thank you so much for joining us today we appreciate it

[00:29:28] we appreciate you being here we do appreciate your support. I just do want to leave with this if you do have questions about anything within our community please reach out to CVCC we've got

[00:29:40] the information we've got people that are there willing to help you and so don't be afraid to ask the questions and that's what great entrepreneurs do. There are curious people so we always like to end up with sharing some small businesses or the month that you should

[00:29:58] be checking out Dr. Henshaw you got anything you want to give a shout-out to today. Well we've got a shout-out to all of our small business owners because they go through things every day

[00:30:07] that people don't understand they are looking at that next payday they're looking at that next innovation and so I want to give a shout-out to everybody out there who's considered a small business

[00:30:17] 50 employees or less for sticking it and going with it and staying the course because you can be successful and we appreciate you value here and look at the top of Valley Region.

[00:30:28] Alright Gary what are you going to give a shout-out to today? Well thanks Jeff this month I'm going to brag on five of our skills USA students that did extremely well last week at the national

[00:30:39] championship you actually mentioned one of them. It's the first group I'm going to talk about that spot letting our own entrepreneurship team four students learn land, the Charlotte Zimmerman, McKay LePittman and Luke Towery. Their business is common ground it's built based on some

[00:30:53] businesses locally, coffee and smoothie shop with some sweets and their target market is high school and college students which would fit for them and they won the national champions that we said

[00:31:04] and they didn't outstanding job crystal of the favors was their coach and again I can't say enough about our advisors or coaches for the students that's which you've been one of course Dr.

[00:31:14] Hinchall has been a tremendous supporter he is the reason we have a Skills USA program at CVCC those give a shout-out to your wife too while you're doing this okay Tammy Mallard works really hard

[00:31:24] to with Dr. Hinchall to make it happen and it takes a full time effort and I will say progress for 30 seconds to say we've been named the outstanding chapter eight years in a row

[00:31:37] in the country in their 19,000 chapters so that's a pretty big thing that we can be very proud of and it is everybody that's involved as the advisors it's folks in aren't even in skills

[00:31:48] they're part of it but again it does start at the top with Dr. Hinchall and Mrs. Mueller the other skills USA student that I'd like to highlight is person also close to us because he was

[00:31:59] our most recent graduate of the everyday entrepreneurship fund Chase Collins and he was in prepared speech he finished six in the country and prepared speech which is a very strong competitive

[00:32:15] performance by him and it was a very strong field so again and I could go on and talk about all 33 students that we took they all were champions and they are because they're all state champions

[00:32:25] didn't get there and so it's a great program these are just too highlights because he's also going to be an entrepreneur he's actually got his own business but he's going to grow

[00:32:36] his business he can't help us if the helpers all else he and uh they're he's our most recent everyday entrepreneur venture fund grant recipient so we're very happy for Chase and the mullers are

[00:32:47] going to use him because he does all the work in the yard and gutters and all those things and back he called me on the way here asked for his when he could come see me there's an aggressive young man

[00:32:56] well yeah far skills USA program is it's very reflective of the greatest coach of all time in college basketball size this one meant to that all right and who would that be I wouldn't say

[00:33:08] Dean Smith but I don't think backer hench on grease with that but you know we you know that's okay yeah that's okay I'm a small business that I want to share uh is a business called new fabrics

[00:33:20] which is actually located in cvc seas manufacturing solution centers incubator and new fabrics is a very interesting business that they they focus on what they call healthwear where they put medicine directly into your clothing basically put it get into the fabric of clothes they put active

[00:33:42] ingredient ingredients and detect all fabrics which can be programmed to be released to the skin when needed into products they deliver therapeutic amounts of the uh the active ingredient directly to the skin

[00:33:56] stays on it from after multiple home washes if you go to their website at new fabrics.com as NUFABRX.com you can learn more about them and see some of the products that they said all they've got

[00:34:11] sleeves to assist uh your if you have knee issues or elbow issues or calf issues and actually they licensed their product uh their technology to other products that are found in walmart's walgreens across the country so they've got some real cool stuff going on. Jeff Jordan,

[00:34:29] Chandler just announced standing young man business owner and you know he moved here from the West Coast just to be at the manufacturer's solution center and that shows that connectivity and that

[00:34:38] value that we can create to help people be successful he's blown out of water I mean oh yeah he's doing great he's doing great he'll be moving into uh our our new facility that will be opening up shortly

[00:34:49] and uh and getting some additional space so uh so you should be checking those out so uh if uh you are listeners have any suggestions for our small business in the month you can email

[00:35:00] them to Gary and I at E Exchange at the mesh.tv you should work uh suggestion to get that on tomorrow's change price back we want to thank Dr Garrett and John for joining us today

[00:35:13] thank you for being with us we want to thank the mesh podcast network and a special thanks to Maco RX for supporting our podcast and check them out at www.maco-rx.com

[00:35:27] so until next month we look forward to talking with you again everybody stay cool after the summer take care thanks for listening. Ho Red House you've been listening to the mesh and online media network of shows and programs

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