11th Annual Business Lessons From the Movies

[00:00:02] What you want when you want it, where you want it. This is The Mesh. Welcome to The Entrepreneur Exchange on the MESH Podcast Network. A monthly conversation about startups, small business with ideas, tools and advice to operate your business more

[00:00:26] effectively. On today's show, it is our annual Business Lessons From The Movies, this podcast, and we'll be joined by the founders of the FootChandle Film Society Chris Fry and Alan Jackson. We're going to give you some movie ideas for the holidays

[00:00:44] that you can minimize the awkward conversation with your in-laws plus our small business of the month feature where we'll be highlighting some businesses that you should be checking out. My name is Jeff Newville. I'm your co-host. I'm director of the Manufacturing Solutions

[00:00:59] Center in Connover, North Carolina. I'm joined by my co-host Gary Mueller, who is Executive Dean of Economic Development and Corporate Education at the Cotov Valley Community College in Hickory. Gary, how's it going today? Jeff, I'm doing great and excited about the holidays

[00:01:15] coming up. How are you doing? I'm doing good. Thanksgiving. I had a COVID-19 case in over Thanksgiving but I am sitting three feet from you. Well, we're here in early December. I've tested negative. I'm feeling good. It's good to be with you and it's always good

[00:01:31] to be with our friends, Chris and Alan. How are you guys doing? Doing great. Doing great. Wonderful. Good to see you. This is our favorite time of year because not only are a lot

[00:01:40] of Oscar nominee movies coming out but we get to come on and do the podcast. We look forward to it. It's fun. We do too. It is our honor and pleasure to have you with us. I'm a member

[00:01:53] of the Food Candle Film Society. I always appreciate the work that you guys are doing. So we get to hear about Joan Bias later this month, so looking forward to that. But today

[00:02:06] our goal, what we have to do here is we've got to come up with some movie ideas for our listeners and we want these to have some business lessons in them. Don't have to be business

[00:02:19] movies. We're going to creatively try to intertwine a few business lessons into our movie selections. I think we can help with that. I think we're ready to go with that. Our listeners, we know we're all excited about the holidays. Every now and then we need

[00:02:38] some downtime, a little bit of break from the family so we wanted to give you some ideas from movies that you might be able to turn on and entertain the family. Some of them might

[00:02:48] be for the whole family, some of them might not be. We'll try to give you a little bit of direction there but we always have fun with this. Alan Chris, which one of you guys wants

[00:03:00] to lead us off today? Everybody's pointing at me so I'm just going to be good. That's fine. I can start us off. All right. I'm debating between a few before I have.

[00:03:14] This has been a year where there's been a lot of movies about business. I know some of you guys are going to be recommending ones that I would probably consider recommending as well but I've pulled

[00:03:25] those off my list and you know what I'm going to go a little deeper. I'm going to go a little deep dive on this and bring up an interesting one for you. Anybody a fan of the game pinball?

[00:03:38] You might play pinball a lot growing up. Yeah, sure. Pinball. So this thing to be the year where there were movies made about these old nostalgic pastimes we had a movie about the Beanie Baby

[00:03:51] Craze which I never saw don't know if it was any good or not but not recommending that one. We had a movie about Tetris which I did see I didn't like a lot. But I almost want to

[00:04:01] hear through and maybe some of that. I just learned a lot of the buzzer. It's just the holiday season that I did. But there was one movie that came out that I don't think a lot of people saw.

[00:04:10] Chris and I did discuss it on our podcast reviewed it. It is pinball and it's the pinball, the man who saved the game. Okay. So this is the story, the true life story of Roger Sharp

[00:04:21] who's a young midwesherner who overturn New York City's 35-year-old band on pinball machines. First off, did not realize New York City had a band on pinball machines for 35 years. What is four? More government overreach no doubt. What was it for? It was

[00:04:38] gambling. It was considered like a form of gambling. Because it was like, they felt like it was a game that was more based on luck. It didn't skill. That was the argument for it with pinball.

[00:04:50] This guy, Roger Sharp, comes in New York City. He's an author. He's looking for some inspiration. He's going through some tough times in his life and he finds a pinball machine at a establishment. It is, quote, undercover pinball machine. It's not one that's a legal pinball machine.

[00:05:05] But he still finds it and gets wrapped up in it and starts playing it. It said some self-off on a path of saying, I want to figure out how to get that band reverse because this is a game

[00:05:14] that means a lot to me. It's a game that's, I have, I have fun doing. I enjoy it. And more people should be able to enjoy this game. So that's the path he went on. It's a really good movie.

[00:05:25] It's well-acted. It's got a great story to it. Not a documentary. No, not a documentary. It is acted film. I think there's a scene early on and I had to go back and watch part of it

[00:05:36] just to remind myself of it. That really sums up why I think it's a good business lesson as well. So this gentleman, Roger, he finds the pinball machine. He starts playing it. He's not that great

[00:05:49] at it. He's kind of getting it trying to get the hang of it. And he meets up with someone who's a much more expert player. They kind of have an encounter. And in learning to play pinball,

[00:05:58] he asks that other player. He's like, so what do I aim for? Like when I'm playing pinball, what do I aim for? And the guy tells him it says, well, what do you want out of the game? And I'll

[00:06:07] say that kind of changes his whole perspective of the game. It's not this thing where you have to try to hit a certain target or aim for a certain thing. It's like, no, I'm going to kind of decide

[00:06:16] how I want to play the game and how I want to try to keep getting the best score. I can't on it in getting the most enjoyment from it. So kind of that little lesson of, it's not really

[00:06:26] having to figure out something aim for it. It's like, no, what do you want out of this? What do you want out of this experience? And I thought that was kind of an interesting broad, broad message

[00:06:35] to kind of share from a business perspective too. He got into something that he's really involved in. He really enjoys. He took the efforts he needed to take to kind of figure out how to make

[00:06:44] it something that other people can now enjoy and experience and not be taken away from them. Just an interesting story. So I think there's some interesting business lessons in it too. To me, it's just fascinating to know that there was a ban on pinball machines because they learned

[00:06:59] something new in there. Yeah, and having to go into a courtroom and demonstrate how it's truly got some basis for skill in it is not just a pure electreving game. It's interesting. It's a

[00:07:11] really interesting story. It's a hearing where they had a pinball machine set up and came in my demonstrate. Yeah, it's cool. I guess I always assumed that things would be banned if they

[00:07:20] actually had a payout. I don't know. And the pinball that I applied, the only payout was, oh, I might get an extra of extra ball. You get an extra ball, right? Something like that back in the days.

[00:07:31] That was the deal. So very interesting. I think it's just, it was an interesting movie. It was better than it deserved to be. That was the thing. We saw it, we saw it listed, we saw it kind

[00:07:41] of promoted a little bit very, very little people. A few people saw it. But what's it on? Is it just on any of the streaming service now? Is it just a... I think so. For rental or yeah.

[00:07:51] And it never came to a theater. It just went straight on my mind. That was the way I think it flew under the radar for a lot of people. Say for the kids who, yeah, as a PG-13 movie, yeah, I don't remember

[00:08:01] anything anything upsetting about it. So it showed your kids, they want to pinball machine for Christmas right there. There you go. It does a good job of selling the game of pinball. So I found myself

[00:08:11] wanting to go play pinball after watching it and so anyway, it has some good, good messages to it. Some good, good interesting knowledge about a certain aspect of business that I did not realize.

[00:08:22] So that is pinball, the man who saved the game. It is... Gosh, it's got in it starring you might have seen, did you see the remake of West Side Story that Steve Spielberg did? So it's got

[00:08:37] the guy who was kind of like the second command guy on the jets. I believe the bad guys. Yeah, yeah. He stars in this as Roger and he's great. Yeah. He's really good in it. So it's a good

[00:08:53] baby. He's got an amazing mustache. Yes, he does. He does. He's awesome. No, yeah. I'm going to watch it just for that. Yeah, absolutely. All right, very good. That's my pick. Sounds like a good start. Awesome. All right Chris, what recommendation are you bringing?

[00:09:08] So Alan was kind enough to defer and not recommend this movie so that I could because he and I both saw it. We reviewed it on the show Blackberry and as you can imagine, it is about the Blackberry

[00:09:20] device and it really I think most people, if you're listening this show, you probably remember the Blackberry and you're like, you don't hear about it anymore. Well, there's a reason. It this the film follows the story of two gentlemen, Mike Leseridis and Doug Freigen

[00:09:36] and they are kind of the people that kind of came up with the idea of the phone and you know, they were the movie probably stereotypes them a little bit as being like nerds and geeks and

[00:09:45] not really they were just really enjoying developing something new in the creative side. Well, then they hire somebody named Jim Bacili who was a business man and he was cut

[00:09:56] through this is now. He did manage to get the Blackberry to where it was but the two sides of the creative side of the business are they did not work well together and ultimately that calls for

[00:10:09] a lot of strain on the company and people went through different ways and then there was a frustration point where they refused to kind of innovate and they didn't want to do an on-screen keyboard because

[00:10:19] the Blackberry was famous for you know, the little actual physical peaky board that people could use and they're just like, no, nobody's going to want a non-skeying key where that's dumb. Why would

[00:10:27] you ever want that? I found comes, I found has it back very quickly, goes away and they actually show that movie, kind of realization of like, oh no. So it's it's an enjoyable movie, it is not one

[00:10:40] for the kids because there's some foul language, often coming from the gentleman that's the business guy because he is very direct, very cut-through. It's an enjoyable performance just because Glen Howard and plays the Jim Bacili and he's just he is ruthless but he's fun to watch because

[00:10:57] he's so like like a villain you know you can tell like oh this guy this guy's going to be trouble any any years but it did so it's a good business lesson maybe just be careful

[00:11:06] you know when you're getting into business with people and even if it is a massive success just kind of you know make sure everybody's kind of aligned on where you want things to go and how you want things

[00:11:15] to work because yeah it can lead to trouble. Or because you get the wrong partners right or be a problem. And I'll tell you I am disappointed in myself that I didn't fight harder to be able

[00:11:27] to recommend this particular movie because the second I saw this movie and finished it I saw it twice actually in the same week. I immediately said that has to be my pick for the potacular in December

[00:11:39] and then I hear rumbling that it's going to be used by somebody else and table here and like find a find out. It's like very great. It's also funny. Oh yes it's not just people swearing at one another

[00:11:52] but there there is no it's funny. I've seen the trailer I'm not seeing the movie it's on my list of this. It's really good. It's actually one of my favorites this past year and actually

[00:12:02] it's one of those movies where you can go in just thinking oh I want to laugh and you will but you actually I felt like I learned a lot about companies and what you need to kind of be aware of

[00:12:12] and yet because it's funny poking fun at the nerds who all like Mondo is sitting around and play games all day they still get their work done but it was a totally different work environment to what

[00:12:21] the businessman coming in and he's like nope you will do this you will do this and they're like what you know so it's yeah it's really enjoyable. It's the great combination of entertaining but also

[00:12:31] it was educational. I would say from the business side of it as well I think people can fall in love with their products and you know it's we love the keyboard you know we're not

[00:12:42] going to change the keyboard and they get blindsided by new products that come in and take can wipe their business away. Yeah and I suspect that's what happens to you. I'm sure

[00:12:52] that's the message. Yeah the most fascinating part of the film for me is kind of on that idea that you know they had formed this product and they got it in the zeitgeist of everybody

[00:13:02] or by the love. It was the black market. It was dominant. And then a pivotal moment the film is when the iPhone is introduced and watching all of the people both at Blackberry and the carriers

[00:13:14] that they're having to partner with AT&T and Verizon and all these companies that they're pitching to their reaction to that iPhone product announcement and like half of them or just like oh you

[00:13:23] know we think everything ought to be like this now and make it like this and the other half or no no that's ridiculous. The audience the general public will never go for this we're going

[00:13:33] to keep it the way it is. Watching that tug and pull going on after that was just amazing to watch in a film version and it was entertaining to watch but it was also extremely educational about

[00:13:47] the marketplace and how how ruthless it was at that time period especially so anyway yeah it was really it was a really good movie. And today iPhone's have what percentage market

[00:13:59] share I don't know is a big one it's a big one it's a big 110 yeah 100 difference if it's not an iPhone it's now phones that look just like an iPhone right that's pretty much it so

[00:14:11] yeah. Do Blackberry still exist I don't know it's been a long time since I've heard the word that very very small and very smart in the nature of the answer sure yeah all right

[00:14:24] Gary you always bring some interesting movies god bless to the podcast and find a way to intertwine business lessons what are you going to what are you going to share with us today well I've

[00:14:34] got just like we're talking about multiple ones to choose from. We have another chance and I don't you know okay well I'm trying okay I'm going to go with King Richard and why did I choose that

[00:14:50] you tell us well actually it was an afternoon you start watching it and I said it's pretty interesting I mean it's very positive things anyway and of course it's about Venus and Serena and their dad

[00:15:03] and how he managed them through their careers or starting from when they were new high to a grasshopper to become superstars but it's also a lot about the business side and what he did you know some

[00:15:16] people thought he was doing some really good things something we'll talk about his taken in vaningept but as it turned out yeah he was doing a lot of good positive things yeah for the his daughters. I thought it was a surprisingly good movie I didn't too I'm typically

[00:15:32] pretty critical of I'm the big tennis buff and you know I'm always critical of films that are about the tennis world in kind of the biography side of it I thought it was good but that was really

[00:15:43] good very interesting and I think that's a good word interesting. A lot of things I did not did not know about that family and their relationships for sure yes well something to add I am

[00:15:53] aware of the game tennis but I'm terrible I do not follow it very well and more pickle ball guy one of those pickle balls. So and you have to help me here but one of the things I found fascinating

[00:16:05] of course apparently have already forgotten it was the movie focused on one of the sisters being the main one and then it turns out the other one sorry I don't know film the name

[00:16:15] 10 second. Venus was the one that was kind of all of the hopes were on Venus but they had turned on some of the reasons they were both really good yeah they're both good but it was fascinating

[00:16:25] to see I was like oh this attention is on Venus but like Serena was learning the same things and coming along and then boom she yeah like you say both were good but she was kind of having

[00:16:35] like lessons learned and that's kind of a thing like you watch and you wait and then yeah she actually kind of overcome. I mean you had a great one in Venus. Yeah yeah but her sister was

[00:16:44] one of the things that I think story about that was me and my brother so I was the older sibling we both played tennis I was really good that's what that's where she used there. I'm going to

[00:16:55] kid steal your words and yes my younger brother comes up and turns out to be much better than me and so that's where it's because he learned from you. Right that's what I say was I was more of an

[00:17:04] inspiration at that to him than anything. So I did and I think at the end of King Richard I doesn't the dad tell his younger daughter Serena said that there are great things in store

[00:17:18] from you and you were going to be the greatest player of all time. That's exactly right. That's a great ending. I mean we're going to have to sequel. There is a Will Smith still untouchable. I don't think that's going to happen. Still person not draw to right now.

[00:17:33] Now he won best actor for that. Yeah and he is in the same award show where he wacked Chris Rock. He got the best actor award after punching the MC. After punching the MC. Yeah. That's good. That's how he makes for a good show. There you go.

[00:17:54] Yeah King Richard that's good it was a good movie. I liked it. All right. Good job Gary. Thanks dad. So so you guys mentioned that there were some good business oriented movies that came out this year and there are some years when I think we struggle a bit

[00:18:12] and we have to go back in the archives and have all to find some things that we think might fit the but I also saw that there's some good things. I'm going to recommend the movie air

[00:18:22] which is about the Nike basketball shoes and Nike Nike's quest to develop their strategy for selling basketball shoes which revolves around them recruiting one player Michael Jordan now listeners of the podcast now I'm sort of in the bag a little bit for the University of

[00:18:42] North Carolina which I attended which Allen also attended and I suspect he's in the bag there as well. I have got I've got like multiple layers of bags I am deep into at the bottom of yes but

[00:18:55] yeah the story you know I don't know if Michael Jordan actually speaks and we don't really see Mike we see the back of Michael Jordan is yeah we we're sort of kept away from him that's

[00:19:05] sort of part of the attraction of the movie and it really focuses more on his his mother and her relationship with the the guy that plays Sunny Vacaro which is Matt Damon then Afla

[00:19:17] explained Phil Knight and you know he has a lot of fun with that and yeah and it's just just at the time Nike really does not sell a lot of basketball shoes or more of a running shoe and a

[00:19:31] deetus in converse or the two big brands and everyone assumes that Michael Jordan is going to go with one of them because I think he was wearing a deetus I'm not sure at that point in time but

[00:19:41] he I don't remember but yes it was one of the two you know he never wore Nike shoes and his college basketball team did not have an arrangement with the Nike they were not providing

[00:19:52] that sort of equipment to him so they really had to do some out of the box thinking on how to recruit Michael Jordan and and Matt Damon encourages his engineering department to come up with a

[00:20:04] totally new shoe and comes up with a totally new pitch where they're going to just focus on one person and convinces Michael Jordan and really convinces his parents that he doesn't want to be one

[00:20:16] of a stable of many different basketball players this is going to be all about him and gonna create his brand and you know it's a totally new pitch if you believe the movie and I think it's relatively accurate

[00:20:31] the shoe they came up with actually would cause Michael if he wore it growing an NBA basketball game he would actually be fine for wearing it because I think the shoes had to be white at that point

[00:20:41] time and they came up with a red shoe that was totally out of the box and made their pitch and ultimately Michael Jordan's mother calls and says they're in with a catch it went a commission

[00:20:55] on all the shoes sold which is unheard of at the time and Nike ends up agreeing to it and ultimately it worked out well for everybody I think I think it worked out pretty good for

[00:21:07] them right yeah so from my business lesson perspective you know we all we all talk about coming up with some sort of competitive advantage and finding a unique way to market yourself

[00:21:21] and and Nike came up with a unique and the shoe unique way to market Michael Jordan which worked them very well and one thing out there and I'm not sure this is a lesson but I sort of wanted

[00:21:32] to go out there you know they they've been on one guy there are times when you've been on athletes or not just athletes people that feels like the right thing to do but then they end up getting

[00:21:44] arrested and embarrassing themselves in one way so it is it can be a risky strategy we just talked about one yeah we did it's true the little the other side um so yeah that can be a risky strategy in this

[00:21:57] case they bet on the right horse who at the time was a very good college basketball player no one really knew what he would develop into right arguably the greatest basketball player you know

[00:22:11] people from you and see what argue that all day long sure people from like force but yeah it was there was a lot of risk in this strategy as well that paid off for Nike certainly paid off from

[00:22:27] Michael Jordan well I think it kind of the echoes of that kind of from black bear that we talked about taking risks and so they're like putting all the money behind one person like no no no no no

[00:22:38] no one else does that they're like right but that that's what we're gonna do we think that we think this is gonna be big the whole fine thing they're like that's advertising great whatever it is

[00:22:47] fine we'll pay it and it's like okay that's an interesting way to think about it and I think it obviously like you say it it's paid off yeah yeah I honestly think and this is why I knew the YouTube would

[00:23:00] be picking these two films I think black bearian air are the two best business lesson films I mean absolutely release this year but they both just for somebody really looking for some insight into the business world some some hopeful good inspirations of do what to do or not

[00:23:20] not to do you know and I think these two are just really good in those examples so yeah it's great and kind of educational for me because I didn't really realize that Nike was usually just originally

[00:23:33] either running shoe like they're basketball they just were not even a barely a blip they just didn't exist and now like yeah that's what you think of them yeah I mean they still do running shoes

[00:23:42] I have something but yeah I mean for them to go from being kind of the third fourth tier to being one of the best it's pretty impressive and it was it was a fun movie I'm gonna show you I've been

[00:23:52] aflack and Matt Damon where when they're in the same movie that sort of a fun dynamic and Jason Batman and I like Jason Batman and he's sort of a fun movie it's on Amazon Prime I think

[00:24:05] and there might be some language but it's relatively tame it's relatively good yeah I think the biggest lesson to pull away from that movie is I think everybody needs a mother like Michael Jordan's

[00:24:16] mother if you're gonna be making any kind of business deal because yeah mother or some sort of somebody like that needs being your life you know if you if you uh rather let somebody fight some battles for

[00:24:29] you she was good stuff she was just off good all right all right Alan you're back up buddy okay so I'm gonna take a little different approach on this other pick here um I think this movie

[00:24:43] has some possible business lessons within the movie itself but I'm actually gonna take a different slant I want to talk about this movie and the business lessons we learned from how this movie came out

[00:24:55] and was released and was marketed and became the biggest movie of the year that's the Barbie movie okay so A just going record I think this is a good movie I like this movie a lot I think it's

[00:25:07] a lot of fun uh and there you you could argue that there are some lessons in there about authenticity of people and it's relationship to a brand like Mattel the brand that released the Barbie dolls Mattel is actually a character in the movie you know there's actually some

[00:25:25] meta commentary about products and business and the marketing of those products but what I think is more interesting about this movie the Barbie movie is how it was actually marketed itself and was released in such a way that if a good business lesson just in itself from my

[00:25:43] movie release standpoint in marketing they I don't know if you guys remember when this movie first got announced they started building anticipation for this movie really really early on there was a

[00:25:56] lot of social media by is going on about it there a lot of talking about it a lot of it was fueled by the makers of the film to get energy and enthusiasm built up for this film

[00:26:06] there were some of you like social media memes about the movie leading up to it that people were using they partnered with a lot of different brands to help market the film and advance and kind

[00:26:17] of a lot of really interesting collaborations with different brands that they were using to market the Barbie movie before it came out if you went to the theater to see the movie like they actually

[00:26:27] had a lot of theaters these giant stand up cardboard boxes you could go inside take your photo of they they just made it an event to go see this movie and then they targeted at obviously an audience

[00:26:39] that I feel like they they knew was a little underserved in movies which is female audiences and maybe going from both young audiences that would actually be current Barbie owners to older audiences

[00:26:50] that grew up with Barbie and had the recollection for it they marketed to all those age groups and then the movie itself is actually kind of polarizing I mean and I think they fed on that

[00:27:00] they actually knew that there were going to be some people who maybe liked some messages from the movie maybe didn't like some messages from the movie and they kind of just went all in on that said

[00:27:11] like this is a movie that has a lot of opinions out there a lot of things and you know you may come away kind of not liking some elements of it you may come away loving others and we're okay with that

[00:27:22] we want this to be kind of more of a movie for everybody to come and have a different experience with so the marketing of the movie is what I think is the business lesson from that particular movie is

[00:27:32] find a a market that hasn't really had a chance to be promoted to in a product like a movie as much take your time to really spend time to build up that movie to build up your product and

[00:27:45] advance get a lot people excited and build a lot of anticipation use a lot of a lot of partnerships to kind of help promote it for you and then create an experience out of your product or service in this

[00:27:57] case the movie so I just I don't know I'm still fascinated that this movie is the biggest grossing movie of the year beating all expectations and they just nearly did a masterful job of

[00:28:08] marketing it and promoting it and getting people on board with it plus the movie itself actually features somebody playing Ruth Handler who was the actual founder of Barbie so you actually get

[00:28:20] to see her and she plays a role in the film and there's some interesting insights from her in the film about why she created the the the the the the the product of Barbie and what she meant it for

[00:28:31] and all that it's an interesting note I mean I think anybody just fascinated and taking a toy quote and you know turning it into such a gigantic brand that everybody in the world knows

[00:28:44] and then how do you capitalize on that in the film I don't know now I think it's just how this interesting bit of business lesson was very much Barbie developed oh gosh it was like

[00:28:52] was it like the 30s or 40s I thought or maybe 50s they did mention the movie but I can yeah it's been it's been at least 50 years not longer than that so yeah you probably had someone you were

[00:29:03] could didn't you let's not talk okay but yes okay yeah yeah yeah well I mean you're gonna mention the marketing then the kind of unintentional marketing then it happened it was

[00:29:17] open-hammer and Barbie and you had the whole Barbie barb and hi-mir yeah thing yeah that's a little bit that collaboration they kind of leaned into it like hey let's let's have fun with this there's a

[00:29:26] movie that's the complete polar opposite of our movie coming out the same weekend let's have fun with it let's let's partner and make a good collaboration effort and it paid off because both films

[00:29:36] hugely successful and that that opening weekend is kind of seen as like a re-igniting the box office that we've been seeing a little dormitory last few years so I just think there's a lot of interesting

[00:29:46] business lessons from not just the film but the efforts around the film to get people see it so I think it's worth worth a watch just for that standpoint have you guys seen it?

[00:29:59] No no Barbie no Barbie anybody look it's a fun movie that is good my wife says I need to see it so I guess I have to right in Gosling gonna get a Oscar nomination I don't know he's really good

[00:30:13] he is I mean he and Margarobe are both really good and his roles and the film's just very and dente it's very it's fun it does have enough adult level humor to kind of keep you engaged it's

[00:30:25] not just playing to the kids but yeah and I just think it's I think it's a good movie good for the whole family pretty much yeah I mean there'll be some things that would fly over the heads of some really

[00:30:37] young young people which is probably good no it's good there's some humor that's a little more you know maybe one or two couple instances of some language but no it's fine it's actually

[00:30:48] I will say this it's really positive messaging for young women your girls for for yeah so that's absolutely good that's why I would encourage it for a family viewing if you've got females in the house that's

[00:31:02] it's good messaging it's good good good good discussion points it follows in the long line of things like piracy the care being and then the lega movie I heard about but they're like why

[00:31:13] would I want to see a movie about a ride at Disney World that sounds dumb turns out good movie is fun lega movie is something I was like I don't want to see that it's like movie about legas no

[00:31:24] great movie fun you know so this like Barbie you're like you know but no it's actually I found it really enjoyable so it's another one of those were surprise it's actually pretty good so yeah

[00:31:36] it's worth checking out for sure so that is Barbie directed by a Greta Gerwig highest-grossing film by female director ever which is also pretty cool too I'm sorry okay what's good Chris so I'm gonna go way off the beaten path with uh with this one but

[00:31:57] I think it is kind of a tradition here a lot of times I do use a documentary as one of my choices so that's what I'm gonna do with this choice so tell me do you guys remember right off the top

[00:32:08] your head do you know what the album cover to Dark Side of the Moon looks like? Alan says yes I do not Jeff Neville says no okay Gary says no okay that that's okay

[00:32:20] I'm trying to think of some of the other ones well you have seen these album covers so Dark Side of the Moon is the prism with like the light boulder light and they're turning into a rainbow okay now you're

[00:32:29] not in your head okay so the people responsible for these images was a art company kind of a collective called hypnosis and they were in England and it was these basically as he's two guys

[00:32:40] one was to have awesome names one is Storm Thurkinson and the other guy was Poe short for Powell which is his last name they got together they were both like art students they got together and made

[00:32:52] it's really wild weird collage for some musician friends said David and Roger there's aulting album and album cover was Saw Sir Full of Secrets which was one of Pink Floyd's first albums they then go on to make a lot of their album covers Pink Floyd's knowing that

[00:33:09] then you can go on to make album covers for Paul McCartney Led Zeppelin Peter Gabriel so like I'm saying it's when they're holding these at some point in the film they have one of the

[00:33:18] artists he's like pulls at his portfolio and he's holding up these images and you're like oh yeah I've seen that yep I've seen that so it's just awesome the amount of art that these guys did

[00:33:29] and they started from nothing um problem kind of similar to Blackberry they're both very creative individuals one was more of the photography end and that was Poe and then Storm Thurkinson had

[00:33:40] kind of an idea how to do like collages and he organized talent like you would have some behind the him talking to Paul McCartney to do the band on the run album thing and the way he's talking

[00:33:51] like I can't believe he's talking to a beetle like that but he's like do this nope do that like if you're like okay but he was in everybody kind of a documentary of myths

[00:34:00] little hard to get along with sometimes very abrupt but genius very genius with his ideas the album covers that he pulls off but unfortunately it was a little bit of that that happened with him rubbing

[00:34:11] people the wrong way and also he was so much so an artist he did not really monitor the money or how much was being spent and it's so much so that at one point there's like okay um

[00:34:23] I'm out because he kind of sees where it's going he's like you know we've had some we've done some really good work they did like I think almost every album cover for Led Zeppelin so they're again

[00:34:32] big deal and even though they were getting paid well the money was going out just as fast as it was in so unfortunately yeah they kind of parted ways but it's just a fascinating story and just

[00:34:44] I love creative documentaries that show you kind of the behind the scenes and how they did things some of the album covers are just amazing the stuff that they would do and get away with

[00:34:54] was pretty amazing stuff that probably wouldn't fly nowadays but yeah just really really cool stuff like lighting a guy on fire for the wish you were here album cover and yes they did that so yeah

[00:35:05] we don't get to see many album covers he says oh yeah yeah some people listening like do what so yeah but even after albums there were these things called CDs and they would have a little bit of you

[00:35:16] know art in there but yeah nowadays yeah it's it's hard but there was an art form not only to the music but then to the album art so this kind of maybe nostalgic about that so

[00:35:25] the name of the documentary is squaring the circle the story of hypnosis and that it's on Netflix if you have a Netflix subscription it's free going there and watch it and just Alan for you

[00:35:36] the director is somebody that's really heavily involved with I think you too in depression and time core because we did a lot of video he did that so it looks like it's sharp and it does

[00:35:47] everything are really cool so if you like music and you want a little business lessons to squaring the circle the story of hypnosis is a cool cool and all that's really nice yeah

[00:35:58] I like it and I like the message because a lot of the movies I've looked at it's about athletes or entertainers that make a lot of money but because they're so focused on their craft somebody's

[00:36:09] taking advantage of them right and this is basically they were taking the advantage of them unfortunately it was like they were living well and yeah one of them so much so and it was like

[00:36:19] okay and it kind of fell apart which is the shame and it's funny too because they're still really well thought of one of the musicians in the band Oasis he was set they were commenting to him like

[00:36:30] oh you had this album come out and like why didn't you use them he's like oh we couldn't afford them so because they were really really because they were good at what they did they became known as this

[00:36:39] you know as a brand is like oh you had an album cover done by hypnosis who you know it was a big deal so I assume that this is my offer doing album covers is it's a one time it's not like you're

[00:36:49] getting paid on albums sales it's like I believe you're right you're gonna do the artwork you're gonna pay me a fixed amount and have a nice day yeah like one off yeah projects sure okay well

[00:37:01] you know and you know vinyl has made a comeback is making a comeback you know my parents sold all my albums out from under me when I went to college and now I've got like boxes of CDs

[00:37:14] and I don't know what to do with them I have a decent loyal album collection at home so collection from both sets of parents and our family kind of filter down and luckily my wife and

[00:37:25] I both listened to a lot of albums when we were young and had been fortunate enough to keep a hold of them so I'm very happy with my little collection it's still done beat the convenience of

[00:37:36] playing the music on your phone and streaming but sometimes it's nice just to take an extra moment but I'll turn table and you know listen all the pops and crackles on it and plus the album artwork

[00:37:48] I do miss that I really really do miss that so I'm you'd mention this for to us I think you were you recommended it in a podcast episode Chris but I didn't pay enough attention to you

[00:37:58] I have now listened to you a second time I definitely need to see this documented I was to thank Chris I'm glad somebody else was not going between the two Gary it is your turn so it is my turn you need to give us another recommendation

[00:38:15] well and I this one you probably haven't heard because I went back so many years actually I think that because I tried to watch it every year and I guess because I watched it many years

[00:38:28] and the first time I did or so it didn't really hit me in this year it's a wonderful life oh I think I've heard of that and you know I always think of as a feel good I say I feel good

[00:38:44] that's why I have to always watch the last 30 minutes I don't watch the first part of it yeah but every time it comes through you know I sit there and the business and the way you

[00:38:56] handle business for the community and when they needed him all those good things he did came back in spades so take care of your business in the proper way yeah this is

[00:39:08] and be that good person and then one and sometimes they may go away from me for a while but when it chipsed around the community came back I would angel got his wings yeah I was really surprised I mean you mentioned how kind of sad it is for

[00:39:24] four fifths of the movie I mean it really is I'd forgotten just how kind of tough it is it's not tough movie but it does go on gracious does pay off but does man

[00:39:37] I'm not kidding I now watch the last 34 to five minutes because I don't like to go through that that's right well I will say that when my children were younger and we had a hard time

[00:39:48] getting them to go to bed on Christmas Eve would make that life a wonderful life they would pass out on the floor and we would carry them to bed so they did at that younger age do not have as much

[00:39:59] an appreciation for that's right that would be there we probably do it this point in time it's definitely a more adult it is a more adult yeah than your typical holiday movies are but

[00:40:11] yeah it's good but it's really good I think that's a good one Gary good job buddy thanks dad he's been eating when he started he was like you know I've watched it every year I thought

[00:40:22] he was going to bring up Wolf of Wall Street again I was waiting for a reason it's a Christmas tradition we all gather a chance away from that it's always out there yeah it's it's it's on the TV that is actually on right now

[00:40:39] but the channels and then it was there I thought of us it's a wonderful life will be on a lot during December as well so make sure to catch that one as well so I have another 2023 movie that

[00:40:50] I saw I think I saw a Netflix pain hustlers I don't know if you've got a scene that I have no seen it okay so it's it's it's a little bit of a sad movie I don't know it's sort of based on a true

[00:41:03] story of a fentanyl based drug company which was really sort of pedaling their drugs creating something called speaker programs to encourage doctors to prescribe their drugs and it's now turned into a movie Emily Blunt is in it she's sort of a down at our luck single mom who

[00:41:26] runs into a pharmaceutical salesman played by Chris Evans in a nightclub where she's actually a dancer they've started up a conversation he said oh you know you can come work for me you'll make

[00:41:38] $100,000 a year some more bad things happen in her life and she reaches out to them and basically the deal is yeah you can make $100,000 a year but it's all commission sales and we've got this new

[00:41:53] drug that will help cancer patients use their pain you know but they can't get any doctors to prescribe it so it sort of goes into the sort of the ugly side of pharmaceutical sales and what

[00:42:08] the sales people go through to sell which is can be seen a little unseemly at times basically once she becomes very successful makes lots of money companies sort of plateaues at some point in time and the owners of the company said well in addition to cancer

[00:42:29] list you sell it for general pain relief and people start to have some bad reactions some people actually overdose and die and and good things happen she sort of comes a realization that this is a bad thing

[00:42:44] and basically she goes to the U.S. Dickdozer district attorney and turns turns the man and you know and so I mean it's sort of it's not necessarily a Christmasy story but it's sort of a realistic

[00:43:02] story you know and and you know I maybe this is bad of me but I guess I have some admiration for people that can sell you know coming from a business back when I was for this crash my head saying

[00:43:15] why does that person in the company make so much money because they can sell and you have revenue you gotta have revenue and you know and so I have an admiration for people

[00:43:28] that can sell even though sometimes it can be unseemly but it's a wonderful life but it comes it goes come back to a morality tale of not crossing certain lines in your business and obviously

[00:43:43] this company did and people go to jail and pay the price including the whistleblower and I guess I'm giving away too much but it's it's well acted good movie it's out there in Netflix

[00:43:59] I don't I don't think it was in the theaters I think it was I think it would straighten Netflix yeah it's a straight to Netflix but it's got some language and it's dealing with some serious

[00:44:10] subjects so it's not for the whole family but this work worth giving a watch okay and it's pain hustlers pain hustlers okay so Emily Blunch Chris Evans Andy Garcia's in it who I think is

[00:44:24] aging very gracefully and worth a watch okay yeah yeah yeah good so another 2023 movie yeah yeah as a say there's that there were some there are some pretty good ones this year release for our purposes yeah okay all right so we've gained some good movies to watch

[00:44:45] and you know and sometime that you can spend over the holidays or after the holidays whatever and you know we like to do a lightning round with our guests Alan Chris you got a boy you guys up for a

[00:44:59] little bit of lightning round with yes yeah it's very refreshing a pressure is very tense well questions are lightning round this month is sponsored by friend of the podcast Ned Ryerson and Ned Ryerson insurance whole life auto flood home they haven't you can have enough insurance

[00:45:16] make it am I right check it out on the internet all right so we've got some quick questions quick answers I tried to clear into one of my questions because it's not really a quick

[00:45:27] question for you too and I see but what is your all-time favorite movie oh my gosh are you really you're dropping that question down the take I tried to I tried to give you a little heads up on

[00:45:40] that when they give you a little bit of time I thought I saw that in the the notes and one give me one of your all-time favorite movies doesn't have to be a Christmas gift first so yeah

[00:45:51] mine is a 2001 space autosy and it's because I saw it when I was too young not because there's anything bad or anything like that but because I didn't understand what the heck of was going on

[00:46:03] I watched it when it came on TV and it must have taken like over five nights back then because they really show like there's so many commercials and stuff but then I watched it probably again

[00:46:12] when I was a teenager and then I watched it in college and I really fell in love with it in college and I see it probably once a year and can I tell you what it means no but I have different theories

[00:46:24] which we won't go into here because it takes too long but just the fact that a movie can entertain me and I can revisit and I've had my kids watch it and they're like yeah that was interesting you

[00:46:34] know but they like they just yes I that for me is and it was one of my first experiences watching a Stanley Caperty maybe so that kind of you know like they were relevant today as a I might take over

[00:46:45] our lives okay yes definitely how is this is movie next year I'm gonna say that was a harbinger of things to come so yeah I just don't go near airlocks I guess if

[00:46:59] yeah you know airlocks yeah and you want a hazard to guess I mean I'll go ahead and just give my default answer even though it's so cliche and Chris is gonna roll his eyes because we're

[00:47:08] here in our disagree on this film quite a bit but it is Citizen Kane I mean I think it'd be Citizen Kane or Godfather or one of you well my one two three punt it's Citizen Kane and then I've got good

[00:47:20] fellas actually I go a different mob related film oh my thing but Citizen Kane is still tops and it's it's not only it's a great movie I think I'm also more inspired by the way it was

[00:47:34] made the talent behind it that was made and the timing and the environment it was made in just to look back at I mean what was 1941 I believe it was made and it's still just an amazing film for

[00:47:48] that time period and Orson Wells I'm reading biographies and books about him all the time so you know right Citizen Kane that's all I'm saying you want a hazard to do you have a favorite movie

[00:47:59] got a curiosity you blindsided me oh I'm just curious I mean when people ask me I quit I mean what are you gonna say this is where you could pull in the wolf of Wall Street you know I didn't

[00:48:10] think it's an open it's an open door for it I'm the thing yeah I want people I wish you cast it in the same hands I love which cast yeah I wouldn't have thought of it that's

[00:48:20] I don't know I'm gonna show you that I'm not very technical in the movie side I'll say Rocky movies no he reads a rocky I think he's an oxalim movie yeah ex-resional rockie this yeah it's good fun

[00:48:31] huh and this wasn't all my list well I'm gonna throw this out to Alan and Chris Godfather one or Godfather two I actually like the the first one I think the second one's a better movie

[00:48:43] however I will say get this the first time I saw the Godfather from start to finish I was in Russia for the summer with a tour group and we went to an art museum and we watched it with a bunch of

[00:48:55] individuals that were dressed really really nice and some of the students the Russians since they were told me yeah these people may be businessmen and when they said it like that that meant they were probably mobber later so that was my first experience watching that

[00:49:10] maybe so I have sentimental reasons to like the first name I mean I know there's a critical debate over to and as well so yeah all right little lighter Christmas turkey hammer other

[00:49:26] man it's all about the yeah I'm with we're this is one thing Chris and I are in agreement on we've been disagreeing on many things this morning on other podcasts episode but yes we are agreeing

[00:49:36] on him yeah we're turkey I'm we're turkey on this turkey on this side I'm turkey I love turkey interesting all right do you prefer to give gifts or receive gifts receive I don't know

[00:49:51] that's actually no I take that back I'd be loving giving for us gifts yeah giving giving gifts is fun if I mean depending like my son's a nightmare because you never know what he wants but um my daughter

[00:50:02] on the other hand she's just very like I know they're creative and so it's really easy to come up with something random that she'll like so like yeah giving gifts is always fun but sometimes it can be

[00:50:11] really tough people are hard to buy for my sons tears tough all right last question I like giving you like giving and I'm even more now than my kids leaving me a link to what they really want

[00:50:25] there you go what's a good thing I like giving more than getting in all honesty because you know with with kids I don't really get in the grass anyway so you know I'm still waiting for that

[00:50:37] point where they get all enough or they actually start giving me gifts sure I would get a dad's got what he wants or that's right or what he deserves what are these so I like if the gift

[00:50:48] giving is always a downward down the down the family chain never back up again so I'm okay all right so I hope I got this last question right I might have messed up so I'm sure you will correct me if

[00:50:59] I'm wrong okay cartoon Grinch or Jim Carrey Grinch was it Jim Carrey that played the oh yeah you're right the live action yes yes cartoon Grinch or Jim Carrey I mean I despise the Jim Carrey Grinch movie so I'm a definitely go cartoon Grinch original okay I

[00:51:18] actually like I'm not saying it is a good movie and it is way too long now it's just saying but I actually like the Jim Carrey Grinch that's okay so no no we're not judge this is

[00:51:28] a judge for an area here I think I'm in definitely in the minority on that one but probably because of the runtime I think I probably prefer the cartoon I do too it is a cartoon

[00:51:44] just works so it does just the dissercs time probably grew up with cartoon Grinch and yeah it's like we don't need we don't need a live action right now there was technically a third Grinch that's true

[00:51:56] which was a CGI animated Grinch movie that came out not just a few years ago Benedict Ben and it'd come or batch playing the Grinch which is actually it's better than the Jim Carrey movie I think

[00:52:07] still no no match for the original anime you want to weigh in on crampus or we we like crampus you're gonna have to explain it I have not seen that one yet I know of it but I have not

[00:52:18] seen it so it's good cheesy I don't think I've seen the whole movie but I'm more familiar with it through the show The League I think they had some of them I'm seeing that show but I'll

[00:52:30] crap this is grandpa this is pretty fun alright thank you guys for playing we like to end up or podcast giving a shout out to some small businesses Chris Allen you guys have any small

[00:52:43] businesses that you want to give a shout out to I mean I do yeah Chris you want to go first sure so I first became aware of the small business that I'm going to nominate and it would be

[00:52:53] a Bitty and Bose coffee and they actually started in Wilmington North Carolina in January of 2016 I however living in my little cave was unaware of them until I visited Savannah Georgia and we

[00:53:07] came across their coffee shop my wife was like oh yeah I want to go there I've seen it on the today shows like okay so we go in and it was a really cool experience of course the coffee was great

[00:53:16] but what makes it special and I'll get into the little bit of the background the history is it was founded by two parents Amy and Ben Wright and they had four children and Lily and

[00:53:28] Emma Grace Boe and Bitty Lily was born with autism and Bitty and Boe were born with Down syndrome and so their whole thing was you know what as they got I guess maybe older and they were having

[00:53:39] trouble sometimes finding jobs they said we're gonna make a place where people with intellectual and developmental disabilities can get employed and find you and learn you know also you know job skills and things and so they founded Bitty and Boe's and it started in Wilmington and now

[00:53:54] there's one in Savannah and apparently there's ones all over the place all over the United States what's cool too is they do have a website which is Bitty and Boe's coffee and they sell like

[00:54:06] mugs and t-shirts also with sangs that are just really cool you know like kind of you know broaden your mind don't you know just little things like that that kind of help you realize like

[00:54:15] yeah we're all people you know so it's kind of a feel good place to go but then they also sell stuff online if you want to get an unexpected Christmas gift for somebody but yeah it's just it's

[00:54:24] a really cool I guess small herb business because they all just a small coffee shop but um yeah it's a Bitty and Boe's coffee it's a great story yes so Alan you have something so I'm really

[00:54:38] I'm really worried about recommending or talking about this small business what's your guys listenership on this show me it was a lot of people listen to show are they kind of here

[00:54:47] all on this local area this is important I need to kind of get a sense for this because I'm partly wanting to keep this a secret this company and I but I want to recommend it but yet

[00:54:58] I don't want to I don't want to I don't want to give them too much business because then it's going to be hard for me to go here so yeah all right so this is pretty much it it's just

[00:55:06] don't get overwhelmed with it okay just a small dedicated group of listeners that's my time to show fine well I know I know you're a fan of this place I know you already established

[00:55:18] oh yeah so you already frequent it so that's a lost call my wife and I seriously first time we went here and we ate there we drove home saying okay we should not tell anybody about this place

[00:55:31] because we love the fact that we can still go on a Friday night and walk in and not have to wait forever and they'll be busy I'm sure the owners like that yeah yeah so the restaurant is here and uh the

[00:55:40] Hickory Newton kind of over area it is Casa Zool Mexican Kitchen so this took over a Burger King building on Fairgrab Church Road Burger King I used to remember when I was growing up around here

[00:55:53] and normally when I see a restaurant go in and take over an old fast food place they normally don't do all with the second time it's not always the most impressive place on the inside decor and environment-wise

[00:56:07] but we walked into Casa Zool Mexican Kitchen because my wife and I love Mexican food and we tried a new place if we hear about it and not only is the food really really good the service is great

[00:56:17] I have not gone there where I haven't been just pleasantly greeted and treated by staff but the decor is also amazing they've really done it where it's unrecognizable on the inside you could never

[00:56:30] have told that this was a Burger King building before it really they they got the theme right they've got the environment right me just it's a good looking place a good tasting place and I love

[00:56:43] it when a restaurant gets it all right and they're doing everything the right way my wife and I have decided that when we are done working full-time for a living what we want to do is we love

[00:56:55] going into restaurants and gritticking to ourselves the environment okay we feel like restaurant sometimes miss the opportunity to really make in a great environment for their restaurant the food may be excellent but if you've got neon light beer like beer signs on the wall

[00:57:14] and a TV playing in the I.S. on the corner and it's just you know you're not really creating an environment for people to come and enjoy food there we just critique the heck out of these places

[00:57:25] and just pick it apart and we say one day we're actually going to leave a ride up on the table for the owner be like hey we just gave you a critique of your restaurant by the way just to let you know

[00:57:34] kinder than doing it on y'all right exactly yeah rather do it directly I don't want to spread negativity online but a concept is all we went into and it's like yeah we have no note I mean this is

[00:57:45] they've got it they've got it down it's great it's always busy but we've never had to wait which is interesting so that's why I'm nervous to recommend it to too many people but yet

[00:57:57] I want the business exactly they do deserve it but you know based on our last report and we have listeners in California Colorado okay we're not worried about that but they'll be rushing here

[00:58:07] oh yeah they're coming to the east coast to the uh foot hills of North Carolina I do say it's a place right off the I 40th off the interstate it's on fair grip church road

[00:58:18] Casa Azul Mexican kitchen it's the only restaurant I can remember having gone to twice like back to back nights for dinner because it just really like it so that is it they're doing it right

[00:58:31] it's a small business doing it right I mean making Mexican restaurants we have a dime are dozen all over the place nowadays how do you make yourself stand out you create a really great environment now I think that's what they've done with their restaurant so that's

[00:58:43] something high praise from some judgemental Alan Jack Barry judgemental yes so Gary what are you gonna I've got a reason that it'll be tied to you and the cvc family the plemins family Nick and his wife Hayley he's a cosmatologist

[00:59:04] no can't be very well obviously they because Tammy's to work with Nick they're opening or have opened Magnolia salon and sweets and maiden oh well so it's a nice young family good listeners won't know but I think I was a fiddling through it so there's the family

[00:59:21] growing family and their Nick's doing well with his job and she wanted to start a business as well start a family and she's awesome in what she does so we had a look at them people going

[00:59:33] to the Magnolia salon and sweets what are they what are they offer there me is a salons there's like uh is it hair salon is it okay and then that's one of her specialty is that

[00:59:43] is something where you can stay there yes well now good question where people can rent oh rent like play there in here style us another oh I think this time okay got some good

[00:59:53] question yeah okay let's need very good and that's in maiden made a lot right down the street and good family and I know she's very talented also we want to wish her one of them so

[01:00:05] you know we just they're just brand new yeah we're looking for the holidays that's where you can go there you go so why do you look at me when you said that this is your business guy

[01:00:16] well I'm going to recommend a business that I read about in business tour here on a magazine it's called tiny earth toys and they sort of have a unique twist on things and that it is a toy subscription service many families do you particularly have young kids you

[01:00:38] probably have a lot of toys lying around that maybe you trip over or step on and what not to you know at some point maybe you're not age appropriate so a woman named Rachel classy launched tiny earth toys in early 2021 you know it has 16 people working for it

[01:01:00] revenue over a million dollars has got some outside investors to several thousand subscribers and a 92% monthly retention rate they deliver toys every two months five taught toys cost $35 per month it goes up from there and and they really focus on higher quality toys they

[01:01:21] focus on sustainability and want people to buy fewer toys but keep them longer so if you Google tiny earth toys dot com you'll find out about them just for the a cool twist on the toy

[01:01:35] business which feels appropriate this time of year not's really I love that idea yeah that's great I mean really thinking about it that makes sense she did go to the Duke MBA program

[01:01:47] I'll get to the house okay we want to thank Chris and Alan for joining us today but we'll also say if you do have a suggestion for small business in the month you send it to us at

[01:02:03] eXchange at the mesh dot TV we want to thank Chris now for joining us so you can check out their podcast oh where can they find you guys right so foot candle films is our podcast it's on also on the same

[01:02:18] mesh dot TV podcast network but you can find it on the same place you can on to Bernard's change on Apple podcast and Google podcast and Amazon podcast and all those other places and if you go to

[01:02:30] footcannel.org you can find out about the foot candle film society this you accepting members or we shut down we are yeah no we we're letting get new members in we've got some room available so we

[01:02:43] we host monthly screenings and film screenings in downtown Hickory North Carolina every month and all screenings are open to the public as well space permitting but we could do members kind of

[01:02:54] come on in for their annual membership for free and yeah we yeah we're showing the jump by as documentary in two weeks yeah I'll leave that slide coming up for December and then we'll have some good films in

[01:03:07] January for every march to what I ask her nominated films I'm sure absolutely and they also put on a film festival each fall here in beautiful Hickory North Carolina got in a lot of the other

[01:03:19] writer for that as well so this will be our 10th year coming up on how many floors are 10th year yeah well so we thank you for the work that you guys do locally we thank you for being on our podcast

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