George Clooney is Always the Answer

Mary-Margaret: Hey, hey, everybody. Welcome back to Chick Chat here on the mesh. Happy Wednesday? Wednesday. Yes, it is. Days are a little off. I feel like. Well, I don't know. I mean, I tried yesterday was election day. It's a lot of lot of stuff that kind of messed up my TV watching in the evening. Therefore, I was not on my normal schedule, which, you know, let's be honest, like showing. JJ: let's be honest, showing things on different nights does not fare for me. Yeah. I forgot about dancing Mary-Margaret: things on different nights does not fare well for me. it it it just gets me JJ: with the stars being on Monday until I was look luckily I only missed about five I didn't miss any dances. I only missed about five minutes, but Mary-Margaret: Okay. Okay. Well I'm hearing all this stuff on a couple of other shows that I listened to about people having to come into it late because there was a news break right before and so they missed part of the opening dances for it. JJ: dances. See, I I I wasn't there yet, so I have no idea. I I I Mary-Margaret: yeah, so everybody missed the beginning. JJ: had my own news break 'cause I was like, news flash, it's on. So So yeah. Hi. How are you doing? Mary-Margaret: Whoops, whoops. Yes, so hey Jeanette, how you doing? JJ: Good, how are you? Mary-Margaret: Good, good to see you, good to have you here, good to hear you. Several things to chat about, but I mean don't know, I mean there's not like crazy stuff going on in the world. I mean there is 'cause there was election night last night, but whatever. JJ: Yes, and I'm very tired. I I stay up for all the madness. Mary-Margaret: I stay up and watch just because and I'm just I'm just being honest here. I'm not in here trying to follow the stats and I don't know, I'm not like that deep into it. I want to see where I want to see reactions. I want to see the hear the people on the street because inevitably somebody says something ridiculous. JJ: Right. Yeah. Mary-Margaret: you know, there was a clip I think I saw last night of people were already circulating it of like one of the news anchors going to he was sending it to his correspondent that was on site at a election place. And he was like, yeah, give us the update on this. The guy gave the update. And then he finished his sentence. The correspondent did. And then the mic was hot back in the main studio. And the guy was saying, Is there a way we can spin this to sound better for this? And then he had to say, JJ: And the guy was saying, Is there a way we can spin this to sound better for this? And then he had to say, and look, now we're on T V. Okay, so my bad. What what network are you Mary-Margaret: And look, now we're on T V. Okay, so my bad. And then he started fresh. JJ: watching? Mary-Margaret: I I wasn't watching it, it was a clip I saw JJ: okay. Mary-Margaret: from it was a it was a Fox News guy. Yeah. Interesting. JJ: Yeah. okay. Yeah, nothing that exciting happened on any of the channels I was watching. I w so Mary-Margaret: Well, you follow the the sleeves up guy, yeah? JJ: Yeah, I'm a big Steve's P Kernac Pernaki Kernacki fan. So yeah. And I Mary-Margaret: Carnegie, yes. JJ: didn't realize so normally I watch MSNBC just 'cause I like the people on there, like Rachel Maddow. Mary-Margaret: Yep. JJ: Like I'm I I just like the way they talk and it it makes it not boring. Like I don't want someone just telling me, Here's the numbers and here's the board, yeah. Mary-Margaret: The results. Yeah. Yeah. JJ: I didn't realize that Steve Kernacke still working for NBC but is now part of the NBC news team. So it was like with Savannah Guthrie and everybody. Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: Kristen Walker was on there. So I watched that for most of it and then I was like, What happened to Rachel and Nicole and all those people? And Mary-Margaret: Ja JJ: they were on a different channel, so I joined them late. Mary-Margaret: I watched Steve earlier in the day because he was on like the Today Show or something I JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: had back on the background when I was up in the morning and so anyway, that was my extent of him. It's different because I don't live in a state that anybody cared about last night. JJ: Right. Yeah. Washington's pretty pretty predictable. Or at least Mary-Margaret: I had a I had a hard time actually finding the results from our state even this morning. Yeah, everybody's like, and you're from what? What? That's cute, guys. yeah, good for you JJ: you guys voted too, that's right. Hold on. You guys you guys had an election? You guys you guys participated. So cute. Mary-Margaret: guys. I mean, we don't have poll places. We don't go out like there's no lines. There's no you don't go do things. You just have to go to a mailbox, you know? So there's no JJ: So there's nothing. Mary-Margaret: Yeah, we we don't have polling here. Like you have just a ballot and you mail it or drop it off, you know, like at a polling center or whatever. But yeah, so I was just more invested in everybody else's business and JJ: Well, you have some you have some ti you have ties to North Carolina, so that was exciting. Mary-Margaret: Exactly, exactly. So that's what I was more interested in. But yeah, our state. Yeah. JJ: Yeah. Interested in. But yeah. But you know how we feel about Roy here. So it was that was kinda one of those we knew it was gonna be called early. Either way, it was gonna be called early. Mary-Margaret: Well, and it was funny because I feel like North Carolina people knew what was gonna happen, but nobody else in the country did. Everybody else was like they're all like, JJ: Right. It's Roy Cooper. Mary-Margaret: What? Roy Cooper? And everybody's like but everybody's JJ: We're all like, it's Roy, y'all. He was on the ballot. We weren't stressed. Mary-Margaret: like, It's cool. It's like that lady from the elevator that Sherry Barry, JJ: Cherry Berry. Mary-Margaret: when she's weren't running, she was gonna win. That was fine. Yeah. Well, anyway, so obviously we don't get too deep on politics here, but it did affect our T V night, which is really how that ties in together. Yes. JJ: No. But it did affect our TV though. That's right. There was nothing else on. How that ties up together. Yeah, dancing with the stars had to be moved because we can't go a week without our stars. I mean and it was Disney night. And it was Disney night. And they had Mary-Margaret: It I mean and it was Disney night. So JJ: Cynthia Revo, so I mean I was I was shocked that she like Mary-Margaret: I was I was I was pretty shocked by that as well. I was not I didn't see any like things ahead of time being like joining of the show this next week is Cynthia Review. Like I wasn't aware. So yeah, and I I missed it. So I guess, you know, I was super excited whenever she came out. And I do think, you JJ: yeah, they announced it last week. Yeah, and I I missed it so I guess you know, I was super excited whenever she came out and I do think Mary-Margaret: know, like she did a great job. I thought she She clearly understands entertainment, you know, and she's extremely JJ: yeah. Mary-Margaret: talented and awarded, if you will, in that space. So JJ: Yeah space. So Mary-Margaret: I I thought she was did great and she actually gave some feedback, which some judges they come the guests are just sometimes come in and are just like, my god, it was fun. That was a ten, you know, but JJ: She gave good feedback. Yeah. She gave good feedback. my god, it was fun. That was a test. Yeah. Mary-Margaret: this was this was cool to see her and she looked like she was having a good time. So JJ: I I think it's to me, even at my age, I'm like, they're too big for this show or you know what I'm like, they're not gonna Mary-Margaret: Right. JJ: come on this thing. But this show is a big deal now. they even had Heather Headley singing, they had some other Broadway stars that showed up to sing songs. Mary-Margaret: Several, yeah. JJ: they like like I was like Cynthia Riva, like how'd you guys land that? Like she's probably Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: like but and then they were doing like people who have danced on there years previous. So Zendaya, when she was a teenager, she was on that show and she's megastar now and I'm like Yeah, this Mary-Margaret: Yeah. Yeah. JJ: this show has just blown up from a B list people trying to learn how to dance to to Mary-Margaret: Well, and we tend to forget that's exactly what it was. It used to be considered is stars really a term we want to use? Yeah. and they Yeah, but you know they had Kim Kardashian back in the day and people forget that stuff. Like, yeah, I mean they've they've definitely JJ: Right. But they had Kim Kardashian. They did have Kim Kardashian, yeah. Yeah. Mary-Margaret: had legit stars that I think we tend to forget about. I mean, probably because it was early enough that nobody took it seriously, but JJ: Harry Shum is on Grey's Anatomy now and has a pretty big role on it. So Mary-Margaret: Gray's anatomy. Yeah. JJ: and Jenna DeWan is on The Rookie, which I I love both shows. I watch them both. So it's like they don't need to do it. It's just kinda Mary-Margaret: Yep. Well well JJ: fun to do. Mary-Margaret: and in reality, Julia Styles, she's still relevant. She's still kind of an icon. And then these people that we're talking about, Harry, Jenna, Julia and all, they're bringing their casts in, you know, so I mean you're getting those stars as well coming to watch and cheer them on and stuff. I mean, think that's pretty cool. Like they're JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: good on dance with the stars. They're getting their budget. hyped up. I love it. So it's been a fun season to watch though. And not to dive too deep 'cause it's not like a big story or anything, but who is your favorite right now? JJ: So I was rooting for Julia and Tatiana. So I Mary-Margaret: Yeah. Yeah. JJ: guess Tatiana now. But I'm a hi I'm a Harry Shum fan. I always have been. I like Mary-Margaret: Are you? JJ: Jenna DeWan. but I'm kinda like they're dancers. Right. Mary-Margaret: Right. JJ: So it would be really cool if someone like a Tatiana I was really rooting for Taylor and Brit at the beginning. And Mary-Margaret: Yes. JJ: I was really sad to see that they went so early. Me too. Mary-Margaret: Me too. JJ: And of course I was rooting for Sierra, but then I was like She's not as good as I hoped she was gonna be. Yeah. She wasn't giving me what I Yeah, I was hoping it was gonna be a little bit better. Yeah. Mary-Margaret: Yeah. She was she wasn't giving me what I had hoped she was gonna take from this. Yeah. JJ: But I mean Guillermo was fun. Mary-Margaret: Mm. JJ: I I probably I would have been probably a little more peeved had he made it this far. 'Cause Mary-Margaret: Agreed. JJ: it's like I really want I really do want to see good dancing and professional. Like I want the difficulty level to go up and poor Whitney was pregnant and I'm like Mary-Margaret: She was getting real pregnant too. JJ: She was getting big. I felt like I was going through all the trimesters with her. she got bigger every week. It was the most uncomfortable to watch. Yeah. Mary-Margaret: And I was very it was almost uncomfortable to watch sometimes because I was like, wow, I don't know if she should be doing this and I'm supporting it. This is weird. Right. In a split. Yes. JJ: Yeah, my husband would be like, maybe we shouldn't have guys lift you up in the air In a split. In a split, just just in case. I know you know what you're doing, but Mary-Margaret: Well, I love Ezra and Connor. yeah. I d JJ: yeah, I do like Ezra. I like all. I mean I there's no one I could say like if if they won I'd be upset about. Right. And I thought it was gonna be a hard it was gonna be hard this week to lose. Yeah. Yeah. That I feel like should be yeah, we're gonna Mary-Margaret: Right. No, they've weeded out they have weeded out the people that I feel like should be weeded out. And now at this point it's really all about who has shows some growth from here, right? JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: I do think Harry and Jenna have a harder road right now because Jenna Dewan and Harry Shop, JJ: Here. Mary-Margaret: because they do have the expectations And when they're making perfect scores already, it's when it gets hard, right? Because JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: they expect it and then it's like you still have several weeks to go. So you're gonna have to like really step up to do some things different so that people don't just think, just the dancer's gonna win, kind of thing. that's why I do love people like JJ: Right. Yeah. Which Harry's I enjoyed Harry's performance this week. Mary-Margaret: Harry's performance this week was so much fun, so good. so performative and entertaining. I thought Tatiana's was gorgeous and I loved hers. JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: I thought she has really I think she's really improved and grown over the whole season thus far. but that's how I feel about Connor too. Like I think Connor JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: is super fun to watch. I think he's gaining like a following of people that just think he's kind of adorable. But yet he really has been one that has started from crummy to actually doing things. He's taking the critiques JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: and the the notes and he's actually doing it. So I always like to see that too. somebody that's truly grown in the process. and then Ezra's just amazing. Like Ezra blows my mind every week. And and I know like we're we shouldn't just say like because he's got JJ: Yeah and Ezra's just amazing. Ezra He's so good every week. And and I know like we're we shouldn't just say like, because he's got Mary-Margaret: disabilities and stuff. And it's not that. Exactly. It's not just that. It is JJ: I don't even know. Yeah, when he dances you can't tell. you can tell obviously but yeah. It is Mary-Margaret: literally his personality and his abilities and the the moves and the the dance itself, JJ: dance And not playing it safe just because, I love it. And I Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: didn't know who Connor was coming into this season. And Mary-Margaret: Yeah JJ: when they were like, he's an influencer, I was like, I rolled my Mary-Margaret: Right. JJ: eyes and was like, I'm gonna hate this guy. he's gonna be Mary-Margaret: Yeah, yeah. JJ: one of those like and I and he completely was n is not that. Yeah. Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: And I like you, have kind of grown soft on Connor, like, Mary-Margaret: Yeah. Yeah. JJ: he's pretty good and he's trying so hard and he's he's not afraid to look silly if it means you know what I mean Mary-Margaret: Yep. JJ: he's taking it seriously but at the same time it's like yeah I'm I'm I wanna do well. He's not just there so I was like, yeah, I mean at this point, you know, s one of your one of the people you're rooting for are going to go and it's gonna be tough every time 'cause it's like you're down to the good people. It's who do you I don't know, but I've Mary-Margaret: Yep. Yep. Yeah. JJ: enjoyed it. I cried at least three times on dedication night. Like Mary-Margaret: my gosh, same. JJ: I was like I was so glad they didn't send anybody home 'cause I how are you gonna s think the guy just had his baby in Elfman and dancing for his mom and Mary-Margaret: I know. That was insane. And I'm like, I know, don't send somebody home that just told their dad how much they love them. come on. JJ: Right, wrote a letter to their mother, like, I wish you could see it, we're gonna be like he can't go home. Like, let me vote for him really quickly. Mary-Margaret: pointed up to heaven, and was like, This is for you, Mom and they're like, And we're sorry who has to go home tonight? No JJ: you get a four. Yeah, like yeah, I was glad they they did the whole switcheroo on me 'cause I was like Yeah, was great. I did not Mary-Margaret: Yeah, no, that was great. That was great. JJ: expect to cry at Ty at Tyler's ty Tyler's and I was like Mary-Margaret: I can't believe he did a freaking baby gender reveal live. JJ: Baby gender review. I know, but you know what? It's recorded for all time, so you can go back. It's genius. Mary-Margaret: I was about to say he's got a amazing memory to have. And I'm, if you go back and watch it, it's funny. I actually did go back and watch it because I heard somebody online that was like, Alfonso like gave no build up to it. He was like, And we're gonna do a gender reveal right here. So in three, JJ: He has no time. Mary-Margaret: two, one, it's a girl. And it was like there was no are you okay? Are you ready? Do you is everybody everybody listen? Everybody this and that. It was He was like super fast, boom, here's the here's the anesthetic Exactly. JJ: they still have an hour to complete this show. his production is still in his ear, we can do this but it's gotta be n it's gotta be quick. Mary-Margaret: He's still gotta get to commercial break, but it was like, Holy crap, there was no time for them to even think or like for his his fiance to be like, No, no, no, wait, I'm not ready yet. But no, he didn't. It was great. JJ: Right. But I'm in my mind they had a huge party afterwards, where they probably surprised them with decorations Mary-Margaret: Absolutly JJ: and all that. that's what I'm I'm choosing to think that they Mary-Margaret: Yes. JJ: made it to where it was celebrated in a bigger way. Yes, yes. I mean that was already big, but still. Mary-Margaret: Yes, yes, no. I love it. Yeah, no, it was super fun and good on them for getting to enjoy that. that just made it such a big deal and so much so excitement behind it. And he's so excited and happy and sweet. So it was cool. JJ: Yeah. Sweet. And you know, how dare he use supermarket flowers? 'Cause that's like that song makes me cry anyway. So I'm like Mary-Margaret: I know it, I know it when they announced what they were dancing to in the package, the pre-package and stuff, I was like, crap. JJ: Okay, great. I'm just gonna go ahead and get tissues now 'cause I can't even listen to the radio without tearing up, so here I know. Mary-Margaret: Here we go, here we go. I know, I know. JJ: Now you're gonna dance with your mom and br dedicate it to all the moms. Mary-Margaret: Is he was like, I'm gonna dedicate this to all moms. and my wife's pregnant. I'm gonna announce it here and I'm gonna do my gender reveal. what? JJ: And I'm gonna wr and I'm gonna write a letter to my mother who's passed away. Mary-Margaret: Ballsy, Tather. Ballsy. Just my goodness. But like you said, he's got a fun memory for the rest of his life with JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: it. I love that. all right, well what else are you watching? Anything good? JJ: I don't know. I started watching Traitors, the New Blood. I've fallen Mary-Margaret: Same. JJ: out a little bit 'cause I got annoyed because the traitors are so bad. I'm just like Really? First one. Mary-Margaret: This is my first traders, Jeanette. First one. JJ: this is yeah, I don't know if this was the the one I would have told you to start with because they've had some good traders. Mary-Margaret: Okay, well tell me this what's the point of the show? JJ: Okay, so I what happens in the Mary-Margaret: what happens in the end? JJ: end? So if a trader wins, the trader gets all the money. So you you vote people banking during these challenges? Mary-Margaret: The stuff they're banking during these challenges. JJ: They're banking money during the challenges. So Mary-Margaret: Okay. JJ: and then the traders murder people every week and you get to a round table and the goal is to vote out the traders. Like you're trying to it's a mystery Mary-Margaret: You do want okay. JJ: game in between like a competition game. So you're Mary-Margaret: Sure. JJ: trying to stay alive, you're trying to, whatever, bank money. But when you get to the round table, you don't want to vote out a faithful because when faithfuls make it to the end, I think they split the money. But Mary-Margaret: Okay. JJ: if it's if it's a trader that makes it to the end, if he's if the trader has played the game flawlessly and has fooled everyone through the end, if it's a trader and a faithful standing at the end, the trader wins. because they've been able to fool you the entire game into thinking they were a faithful. Mary-Margaret: So will there ever be other traders or is it these people that were picked in the beginning are it? JJ: So they start off with two and then there's always a recruitment of you get to choose the third one. Mary-Margaret: Yes. Right. JJ: When a trader is voted out, most of the time they do there there's typically three of them. So when a trader gets voted out, they are given instructions to recruit again. And sometimes it's backfires because they because once you're you recruit a trader, if it's one of those recruitments where you have to be face to face with the recruitment. It's either Mary-Margaret: Uh-huh. JJ: like, I want to recruit you to be a traitor, but if you if because you now know who I am, if you refuse, you're gonna be banished tonight. You're gonna be murdered. So sometimes they leave a note and say, We want to invite you to be a traitor, do you accept? And they can say no. And then because they don't know who the traitors are, they can eat they can keep it to themselves or kill other tell others like I was try they tried to recruit me. It's a strategy game, is essentially what it is. Mary-Margaret: So why why wouldn't you want to be a trader? JJ: there's no there's no pros or cons to either one. It's just if Mary-Margaret: Okay. JJ: you are a traitor, you have to f you have to make it to the end and have people think the entire time that you are a faithful and you have to murder people every night. So you you have Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: to strategize in who you're murdering because it's if you make it to where like, well, this person thought it was me. So I'm gonna murder them tonight. Then the fingers are gonna point back at you and be like, it's you. Mary-Margaret: Right. JJ: And then they sometimes have these these tasks where like a few weeks ago you have to murder in plain sight. This is when I kind of got and they do that every year. This was the Apple. Yeah. They were horrible at that. The other Mary-Margaret: This was the apple thing. Yep. Hmm. JJ: traders every other year have been so good at it. But that's why I'm also like it's starting to get because there's been so many seasons and it's always celebrities, and they're doing another celebrity edition of it. right now it always it's starting to get like big brother to me where you're going to have to switch it up. You can't continue to have a murder in plain sight that involves fruit or that involves like you know what I mean? Like or telling people Mary-Margaret: Sure. JJ: that, you know, it's a murder in plain sight. So Mary-Margaret: And and obviously there's a lot of strategy to it 'cause I'm trying to follow along with it and and understanding If you can't go too hard one way or the other, right? you can't JJ: Right. Mary-Margaret: just go hard on somebody being like, they're the trader, they're the trader, they're the trader, because then you become a target. But yet you if you're the t if you're the target and then the traders come and murder you, then people automatically think who the trader is because They just killed the person that was accusing them, right? So it's JJ: Right. Mary-Margaret: you can't like th they've got somebody JJ: They've got Mary-Margaret: that is on the trail, right? Like that that was figuring out, like that Victor guy was figuring out JJ: Victor. Because of the murder in plain sight. And they were so obvious with it. I mean, at some Mary-Margaret: Right. So they JJ: point they don't they don't replace the traders. It's when the numbers start to dwindle, they don't Mary-Margaret: Okay. JJ: replace the traders. So the goal is for it to have to be only faithfuls at the tables, because once there's only faithfuls at the tables, the murder stops. You can't control the murders. So like the the three traders get together and they're like, You could have done everything right that day and because Mary-Margaret: Right. JJ: the traders don't want the finger pointed back at them, like if we eliminate Victor then People are gonna assume it's me because we had that tiff that today. So you're rent you because of the fruit gate thing, yeah. So then Mary-Margaret: Because he was because he was pointing at them the whole time. Right. JJ: you rent murder someone random. So you're essentially leaving your fate in the hands of people. Like you could do everything right, and because you're the least suspicious person, like you're the least one who would point back to the traitors, you're gonna get murdered. So the goal is to weed out the traitors early so that at the end you're only voting for faithfuls. So when you do the competitions, you're not going to bed at night worried of am I going to be murdered tonight? You're gonna wake up the next day and play a game, but then it becomes like almost like a big brother where who are you going to vote to stay in the game with you? Like who's helping you get this money versus who's being selfish, who's like who maybe just doesn't get along with the group, who's not helping. Then it just becomes the faithfuls voting each other out until they're down to two. Mary-Margaret: Okay. So they so you could have a game where the traders all get picked off. JJ: Yeah, but I think if they get picked off I think it it happens once the numbers get down. I don't know what the number is, but once there's so if you if you vet out a trader like day one or like the second or third week, they're going to replace that trader. Yeah. Because the game can't go on with there being like, no murders. Like it's not just Mary-Margaret: Right. JJ: not fun. So yeah, I think once they get down to smaller numbers, if you vote out the traders then you've you've identified you you've basically won the game. Now you just have to get to the end. I don't know what that number is, but Mary-Margaret: Well, I'm invested just because it's new to me and I'm trying to figure it out. JJ: There's always someone some one year who has a really good plan of how to figure out who the traders is. And they're they're usually always right. But because sometimes the traders have done such a good job or they lay low or they start they can like point the finger back at them like, Why would it be me? Like last year it was that bachelor who's a pilot. I don't Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: remember. Yeah. Yeah, he figured it out early who they were. Peter. Mary-Margaret: Peter. JJ: Peter. But because of the way Peter was going about it and ruffling feathers and they started to get his faithful crew, they started to come like, you're the faithfulest of the faithful and started getting other people who weren't part of his little clique to turn against him. They voted him out. And then like Trichelle started figuring it out. Mary-Margaret: So these are this season is these are n not famous people, but they have really? JJ: This is the first time it hasn't been famous people. really? Yeah, this is that's why it's called New Blood. Every other season has been celebrities. yeah. Mary-Margaret: okay. Huh. So is it more fun with the celebrities JJ: Yeah, I watched the very first season. Mary-Margaret: or is it different I mean is it good or bad yeah. JJ: It's good. Yeah. 'Cause sometimes they don't know each other or like there's a mix of reality stars and it's kinda like we were talking about dancing with the stars. It's starting out Mary-Margaret: Sure. Yeah. JJ: with like, yeah, you've got people that I forgot they existed or forgot that, you know, they were still around. But like this year Mary-Margaret: Well, that's how Mark and and Mora know each other, right? They were on traders together. Okay. JJ: Yes, 'cause they were on Traitors Together. Yes. Okay. With Rob from Love Island and Rob ended up winning. He was a traitor and they thought he was a faithful the whole game. So that's the whole thing, he ended up buying Mara who was a faithful who was a faithful a a Birkin bag because he felt so bad about betraying her. Because she was so sweet, yeah. And he was she was like, Mary-Margaret: wow. JJ: You owe me a Birkin bag and he's like, I'll get you one so Yeah, that's the whole Birkin thing. But this year, Mary-Margaret: How fun. Okay. Interesting. JJ: Whitney's on it from Mormon Wives, she's i she's in it. The one that they're filming now. Yes. few other people are Mary-Margaret: Yes. And JJ: in it. Mary-Margaret: Craig Conover. Yeah. JJ: Yes. So they're starting to get to be more like noticeable names, Mary-Margaret: Relevant. JJ: relevant names, names that you would know today versus like the first season where it was Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: people who may have been stars ten years ago or do you want to come back Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: and play this game? It's a fun little game. It's just Mary-Margaret: I I've I've enjoyed it thus far. Like JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: I said, I'm fresh to it. So therefore I don't have the the jaded opinion yet of my gosh, they're redoing all this stuff. I don't have all that yet. But JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: so I'm enjoying it. JJ: And I can't decide, at the fr at first when I first started watching it I like, I'm kinda mad that I know who the traders are 'cause I'd like to figure it out along with them. yeah. Mary-Margaret: Uh-huh. yeah. JJ: But it but it's fun seeing their strategy and what they're doing and and looking at them going, they're gonna figure that out real quick if you like Yeah. So I don't know. Mary-Margaret: Yep. Yep. No, I get that. Okay. Well good. I mean, I'm gonna keep watching this season just 'cause I'm curious. JJ: I'll end up finishing it but I was so mad that they were so bad at the murder in plain sight. It was just ridiculous. Like why are you throwing foot fruit at people? I you sh you could have found a more conspicuous way to go about it instead of walking Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: around with an apple in your hand. Mary-Margaret: Well, especially like they said, when have you ever seen Joe eat fruit? And now he just is scarfing down apples. He's like, I love apples. I do, I do. JJ: When have you ever seen Joe eat fruit? And now he's eating ten a day. And now he's just like scarfing down apples. He's like, I love apples, I do, I do. Yeah. Mary-Margaret: Well, it's fun. It's fun. It's been neat to watch. I'm gonna move on to our to our main topic of the day. It's our annual people magazine, Sexiest Man Alive edition. 'Tis the season. For Noah Wiley. JJ: Have it a year. Mary-Margaret: Give me your initial thoughts when you found out it was him. Take all the politics and all the who buys what and who does everything else to get in there. Take that outside. What do you think of this choice of Noel Wiley? JJ: I'm not upset about the Noah Wiley choice. I like Noah Wiley. I like the pit. I've liked everything, most of the things that he's done, even the librarian, which was a little just a little weird. But it kill comes Mary-Margaret: I never saw that. I never saw that. JJ: on. I've never watched it when it was on, but it comes on sometimes, like during now. Like it'll just be on the channel. I'm like, let me see what this is about. And I find myself like getting caught up in it. It's not Mary-Margaret: Yeah JJ: anything like his ER or it's that are more serious. It's a little sillier, but it has serious moments in it. It's kinda like traveling back through time. And or traveling into the future and stopping things or cur solving Mary-Margaret: Interesting. Okay. JJ: things. So yeah, it's it's one of those. But yeah, I think I was shocked that it was no I don't know that he was on my radar to I don't know that anybody was on my radar to get it, but Mary-Margaret: Right. Sure. JJ: I thought someone like a Tom Holland or Mary-Margaret: Mm-hmm. JJ: Timothy Chalamet who's just people just keep bringing up all the time. Yep. Then I was like, Well, are they too young to get it? Like is it weird to call them the sexiest family? Mary-Margaret: Well, exactly because Noah Wiley is fifty-five. JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: And that is one thing I do love about that is yeah, show some of these older men, they're that's when they are a man. you can really JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: validate that. I'm a big Noah Wiley fan. Big fan. Not necessarily saying of his work, but he is like, I find him a very attractive. Yes, JJ: He is attractive, yeah. Mary-Margaret: I I love his persona like in Hollywood where he's he's kind of in the background, but when he's given a platform, like he's eloquent and he, you know, I love his healthcare worker like stance of and support and everything that he's done. I used to watch ER and so seeing him now, like I love that. I really, really like the show The Pit. JJ: And so seeing him now, like I love that. I really, really like the show The Pit. Mary-Margaret: So I just think I think he's very classic, classic good old Hollywood actor, not JJ: I think he's very classic, like classic good old Hollywood actor. Like Mary-Margaret: Playboyish and stuff. You know, I mean I love that. So I like that that's the type of guy. JJ: Playboyish stuff. I love that. And you don't really hear too much any negative things about him. and I think that's the he stays to himself and and then when he has shows to promote, he'll come promote the shows. Which I think for actors I I like that because if I see all the time then I see in a role, I'm just kinda like, I'm just whatever. But he had one he they were and they were promoting the pit last season. I don't remember if it was before or after the season. It might have been after the season, but It was a panel where the everybody on the show was on there and the person interviewing them or or hosting the panel said something about smaller actors who just lay there for hours while they're walking around and Noah Wiley was like everyone on that parti that is on that show is a SAG member who has benefits and is trying to get their card and is trying to get to where we are. There you know, I I don't There's nobody who's a small actor and he kinda took offense to it and stood Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: up and stood up for people that they were just saying, how hard is it to just lay there and be Mary-Margaret: Uh-huh. JJ: and he was like, it's pretty hard, they gotta lay there. They've gotta just lay there for twelve hours and yeah, they may not be the stars of the show, but they need Mary-Margaret: Right. I mean it's still a job. Yeah. JJ: to work. you can't build your resume if you don't have these roles. So he kinda took offense and took up to him and kinda like everybody was kinda like, won't ask that, won't say that again. Mary-Margaret: Yeah. Okay. Next next question, thank you. JJ: Yeah. So I like that he's an everyday man who does who doesn't Mary-Margaret: No, I he is. JJ: seem to have an ego, can humble himself and just Yeah. Yeah. Mary-Margaret: Yep. I I think I've you know, I I've looking right now like at the photos from the magazine, he's very outdoorsy. He's very like he's in his jeans and flannel shirt type look. which and you and he's with his like old dog and JJ: Mm-hmm. Mary-Margaret: and his wife, who his wife's been on the show on the pit as a guest before and JJ: Mm. Mary-Margaret: But I've seen them on award shows and different things and he they just seem so so cute. But I I was reading the little article that's attached to it with with all of his questions that they ask him. he let's see, he said that he started on ER I think he was thirty seven. Yeah. Anyway, he was he's been basically a doctor his whole life is what he was talking about, and he JJ: You know, he Mary-Margaret: he got the background of the George Clooney era there for a while because George Clooney at that time was also like sexiest man alive, right? You know, come this ER doctor and stuff, and here's Noah kind of in the background, and now it's like it's it's reversed, it's changed. JJ: It's it's reversed. It's changed. Mary-Margaret: I did listen to him a little bit on Amy Poehr's podcast. And that was really cool. They had some good like conversations, some fun things that I have learned JJ: Amy Fuller's podcast and that was really cool. They had some good like conversations, some fun things that I Mary-Margaret: about him. his biggest vice is Instagram shopping. If he gets targeted ads, he said he's a sucker for them. Especially when it's outdoor equipment or JJ: if he gets targeted ads, he said he's a second for them. Especially when it's outdoor equipment. Mary-Margaret: survival gear. So interesting. Biggest pet peeve is being late. He prefers to be JJ: Biggest pet peep is being late. He prefers Mary-Margaret: five to ten minutes early. his favorite place in the world is his home in California. It's his go-to sanctuary. And his secret talent is that he has a knack for catching flies JJ: His favorite place in the world is his home in California. It's his go to sanctuary. And his secret talent is that he has a knack for catching flies. Mary-Margaret: alive and then releasing them. He's like, I've got very quick hands. JJ: it's like I've got very quick. Mary-Margaret: That's what he said. Catch and release. JJ: Okay. Mary-Margaret: So interesting. I don't know. I've never known anybody that does that. But JJ: I don't know, never known anybody that does that, but Mary-Margaret: yeah, I I was pleased with this. I think like I said, I think he's attractive. I like a little salt and pepper beard. Like I'm always that kind of girl. I love his relationship with his wife. He says that here's his fill in the blank things. They start the sentence and then he has to finish it. So At a party I like to and he says check out the books on a shelf in the library or sit in the corner and pet the dog. JJ: Okay. He's a deck guy. All right. Mary-Margaret: He's that he's that guy. he dreams about flying. Also falling. Also having his teeth fall out and being lost. He's like really JJ: And being lost. Doesn't that mean something when your teeth fall out in your dream? Mary-Margaret: and falling too, right? isn't falling one of something? Yeah. So he says JJ: I don't know it has to be. Mary-Margaret: he has weird dreams, and that's just what it was. his first n first nickname was Wily Coyote. Okay, I get it. his first car was a 1988. Sky Blue Dodge Shadow. He said he used to leave it unlocked. and he has found homeless people sleeping in it before. Interesting. on his bucket list is hosting Saturday Night Live. I think he'll get to do it now. JJ: he'll get to do it now. I think he'll get to do it now. Mary-Margaret: I'm just curious if he's gonna be good at it. There's obviously gonna be lots of doctor parody. JJ: There's obviously gonna be lots of doctor parody, Mary-Margaret: But I need to see maybe his humor some, right? Like JJ: but I need to see maybe his humor, so right? Yeah. Mary-Margaret: I don't know I don't know how he is as being funny, but JJ: Watch the librarian. Is he funny there? Mary-Margaret: I is he funny there? JJ: I mean he has some funny like lines. Yeah. It's not a serious show at all. Mary-Margaret: I didn't know that. Okay. I shall do that. JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: So just to refresh your memory, do you remember who last year's sexiest man was? JJ: Was it Michael B. Jordan? No. no, I don't know. Mary-Margaret: Nope. That was twenty twenty, Jeanette. JJ: That was twenty twenty? Mary-Margaret: Michael B. Jordan was twenty twenty. Yeah. JJ: No way. Yeah. Okay. No, I don't know. Mary-Margaret: I know. I know. Last year's with Jonathan Bailey of Wicked. Yeah. JJ: wicket, yeah. Okay. Mary-Margaret: And it's funny because I again I heard this, some people discussing this. I heard it on the podcast that they were like, yeah, you know, it's you get this love right for a while. And then people know that like, yeah, at some point you I think he was sexiest man alive. But like they were curious, could anybody name any of the most recent ones. and it's like we talk about it so much whenever it happens and they're get they're all over the place and they make the rounds on the night shows and on podcasts and stuff. But people tend to forget. So can you name any of them? you you got Michael B. Jordan from twenty twenty, JJ: of the most recent ones. and it's like we talk about it so much when it happens and they're get they're all over the place and they make the rounds on the night shows and on podcasts and stuff. But people tend to forget. So can you name any of them I mean you I got Michael B. Jordan from twenty twenty Mary-Margaret: but let's say in the last, five years, could you name any of them? JJ: John Krasinski? Yes, twenty twenty four. Okay, I'm getting closer. Mary-Margaret: Yes, twenty twenty four. Yeah. JJ: Who was it? Mary-Margaret: Twenty twenty three was another doctor year. JJ: Was it George Clooney again? No. Mary-Margaret: No, but he has been twice. JJ: Was it the guy from Grey's Anatomy? Doctor McDreamy? Ne what's his name? Patrick Dempsey. Patrick Dempsey. I was gonna say Neil Patrick Hares, but like I know he's got a Patrick in there. That's twenty twenty three, yes. Mary-Margaret: Yes, it was Patrick Dempsey. Yep. That's 2023. Yes. And 2022 pick a Chris. Any Chris. Yes. 2022 is Chris Evans. That's right. JJ: Chris Evans. Yes. Twenty twenty is Chris Evans. That's Chris. That's right. Mary-Margaret: And then 2021. Let's just say he's never aged a day in his life. He still looks the same now as he did. JJ: Was that George Clooney? No. Mary-Margaret: No. people literally talk about him never aging. What if I'm in love with Josh? JJ: What? Mary-Margaret: No, you don't know that line? Gosh, my references are so niche. is Paul Rudd. JJ: Yeah, he doesn't age. Yeah. I remember p I remember us talking about Paul Rudd. Yeah. Mary-Margaret: Yeah. Paul Rudd. Yeah. So yeah, that's our last handful of I mean just I'm just figure if they've they've they won, they deserve another shout out because their time has passed. So JJ: Yeah, and I have forgotten I d Paul Rudd would not have even gone through my mind had you not said it. I'm always gonna Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: go to George Clooney because he feel like he wins it every other time. George Clooney, Brad Pitt. Like they're due again at some point. Mary-Margaret: He I George Cloney, Brad Pitt. They've won multiple times. That's right. The very first one, we've discussed this, it was nineteen eighty-five. Do you remember who the very first sexiest man was? Mel Gibson. In eighty five. And then we've had people JJ: Okay. And eighty five. Yeah. And then we've had Mary-Margaret: like Mark Harmon, Harry Hamlin, John F. Kennedy. Sean Connery, Tom Cruise. JJ: I guess he was on the younger side. Mary-Margaret: Yes, Tom Cruise, Patrick Swayze, Nick Nolte. Not sure about that. JJ: Mm. Mary-Margaret: Richard Gere, he's won it twice. Brad Pitt has won it twice. 1996 brought us Denzel Washington. George Clooney's won it twice. Harrison Ford, Pierce Brosnan, Ben Affleck. Johnny Depp has won it twice. JJ: I was gonna ask if Johnny Depp has he th I feel like he should be on the list. Mary-Margaret: Yep, Jude Law, Matthew McConaughey, Matt Damon, Hugh Jackman, Ryan Reynolds, Bradley Cooper, Channing Tatum, Adam Levine, Chris Hemsworth, David Beckham. The rock. Blake Shelton, Idris Elba, John Legend, and then we go into Michael B. Jordan. JJ: Idris Elba, John Legend, and then we go into Michael Beatriz. So w what's the criteria here? Is it just people who work for people voting for this? Mary-Margaret: I'm not sure if it's like from what I understand, you get offered it, but you don't have to take it. JJ: But you don't have to take it. Mm-hmm. Mary-Margaret: And so it's not like they're just doing a like a poll or something. You know, it's like somebody they get offered it because there are people that turn it down. I think it's who is it that's famous for turning it down as Ryan Gosling. JJ: Mm. Mary-Margaret: He he won't do it, apparently. I think it's him. JJ: I think it's him. Okay. I don't know. Fact check that. But I'm pretty sure he will not do it. But I did hear like Noah Wiley basically said he got offered it and he his wife was like, Yes, yes, a hundred percent yes, he will do it like she signed the papers for Mary-Margaret: I don't know, fact check that, but I'm pretty sure he will not do it. But I did hear like Noel Wiley basically said he got offered it and he his wife was like, Yes, yes, a hundred percent yes, he will do it. Like she signed the papers for him. JJ: I mean who doesn't want to be married to the sexiest man alive? I absolutely Yeah, Mary-Margaret: I absolutely like JJ: like I get street cred because of you. So Mary-Margaret: right, I will tell everybody. which brings up the reader's choice ones, which are always silly and weird, you know, but some interesting I find. Reader's Choice this year. Sexiest morning show host. JJ: Craig Melbourne. Correct. Mary-Margaret: Correct. Craig Melvin from NBC. Sexiest silver fox. There's so many these days, right? JJ: Could be anybody. Mary-Margaret: this one also The the other category people were Sam Champion, Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper. Yeah. But it's Stephen Colbert. JJ: I like Anderson Cooper. Yeah. But it's Stephen Colbert. okay. I get it. Yeah. I feel like Mary-Margaret: I get it. I feel like he's actually gotten better looking as he's gotten older. I do JJ: I feel like that about a lot of people. Mary-Margaret: too, yeah. this one's so dumb. Sexiest cat dad. JJ: I don't even know who the cat dads are. Mary-Margaret: Well the Dave Franco won it last year and it was supposedly some big ordeal. This one I don't even think he is a real cat dad. He just married a cat person. Yes. JJ: Big c ordeal. This one I don't even think he is a real cat dad. He just married a cat person. Travis Kelsey? Yes. He's not a cat dog. He's not a cat dad. He's I know. Mary-Margaret: I know. JJ: He bought a dog 'cause he probably couldn't l stay without the cat probably. Mary-Margaret: Right. So he just won Sexiest Cat Dad. okay, this one's probably big this year. Sexiest fake hockey player. JJ: There's a f is it this guy from that movie? I don't even know his name. is it the the the it starts with a B. I don't know Belmont, yeah. Mary-Margaret: Belmont Camelli. Yes, from off campus. Have you watched Off Campus? I did too. I did too. I read the books back in the day. No, back in the day. I JJ: I watch all campus. I like it. I did too. I books. I didn't read the books, but back in the day. Mary-Margaret: read the books. And then I start hearing this buzz about this show, right? And I'm like, mm. I went back in my Kindle history and I looked. I was like, I read those books. Like, okay. Yep. JJ: I had never heard of the books. Yep. Mary-Margaret: And I've read the whole series. I read the whole damn series and so now I know exactly what's about to happen and I've I've I thoroughly enjoyed them. Not gonna lie. Just saying. JJ: Yeah, I'm I liked it. I watched the whole thing. Mary-Margaret: Yeah. It was cute. It was very cute. I thought it was well done. It was it was JJ: I'm I'm glad it didn't turn out the way I thought it was gonna turn out, where he was gonna be like a jerk or it was gonna be like he doesn't really like her, or you know what I mean? Like Mary-Margaret: Yes. JJ: I was happy to see That it it turned out like to be a good thing. Mary-Margaret: Well, as it always does with shows versus books, right? Or movies versus books. Like obviously always people are like, my God, they never did it justice. Like the book's so much better, or whatever. JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: so it's been interesting because it's like one of these times that I've actually read the books and then watched the show. I will say like one thing that I thought I think it's why I had like I was intrigued by it whenever I started reading it. cause it's I guess it's young adult type genre of it, but I still read it just because the cover was cute and I needed easy reads at that time. But in the book they made it very clear that the college, quote unquote college that they were in, was a very, very good college. And so even the jocks at this school were there for you know a good education and they that's JJ: education and they Mary-Margaret: why because I saw so many people after watching the show being like this is so fake there's no way the hockey guys JJ: No fate. There's no way the hot Mary-Margaret: would be hanging out with the theater kids in real life but in the book they portrayed it so much that this JJ: in real life. But in the book they portrayed it so much that Mary-Margaret: school was such a higher end school you know just below Ivy League basically JJ: in school you know just below Ivy League basically Mary-Margaret: And that even the jocks JJ: and that even Mary-Margaret: were so invested in their education and the the opportunities given to them there that they were fully invested in all JJ: given to them there that they were fully invested in Mary-Margaret: the activities on campus. That's why they were close with kids that were like in the theater group and whatnot. And so, you know, it's just interesting to like read one side of it and then hear everybody bitching about it when they watch JJ: Mm-hmm. And so, you know, it's just interesting to like read one side of it and then hear everybody bitching about when they Mary-Margaret: the show. And I'm like, no, go read the book. I was totally that girl. Just go read the books, you'll love it. Just go see. So, anyway, he's cute. I get it. Fake hockey player, yada yada. JJ: So anyway, he's cute, I get it. Fake hockey player, yada yada. Mary-Margaret: Sexiest period drama dreamboat is what they called it. Yeah, think about what period drama JJ: Think about what period drama Mary-Margaret: people consider sexy. JJ: Bridgerton? Mary-Margaret: Yes. And I guess this is from the recent season, maybe. But it's Victor Alley. JJ: Victor Alley? I don't know their names. Mary-Margaret: I don't either. he's nice looking, whatever, of course, so there you go. JJ: I'm trying to even remember who the focus was on this season. Mary-Margaret: I can't remember either. The next one's about the tomboy, right? The girl that doesn't want to get married. JJ: Penelope? Penelope? No. No. Mary-Margaret: Penelope? No. Wait. JJ: I don't know. Mary-Margaret: Starts with an H. JJ: I don't remember her name. Mary-Margaret: I don't either. But anyway, Bridgerton got some guy. He won. here's a funny one. Sexiest son of a sexiest man alive. JJ: I'm trying to think. Mary-Margaret: Yeah. The other people were Richard Gere's son, Denzel Washington's son, and JJ: Yeah, I'm gonna say that's the one I know. Mary-Margaret: Pierce Brosnan's son. JJ: I don't know who Piers Brosman's son is. Mary-Margaret: This one I thought this was cute because he the dad, the sexiest man alive dad, and his wife made a video to him on his birthday when they allowed him to get social media. Yes. Yes. JJ: seems be an alive dad and his wife made a video to him on his birthday when they allowed him to get social media. is it C Matthew McConaughey's song? Yes. That's a good choice. Yeah, he's yeah. Mary-Margaret: Levi. Yeah, so I love that. okay, now this one is what I was gonna get to was that they've already previously announced the Sexiest Dancing with the Stars Pro. JJ: yeah. and they did that on the show, which was fun. Mary-Margaret: and they did that on the show, which was fun. but yeah, it's Pasha Pashkov. I a hundred percent agree with this. I love him. JJ: I like Pasha. I a hundred percent agree with this. I love him. Do you think Val thought he was gonna get it? Mary-Margaret: Absolutely. I feel like Val thinks he deserves it all, right? JJ: Yeah, yeah. Mary-Margaret: Everything every time. What did you think of the whole Val Carrie Ann thing? As a recap, so Val stood up for his wife, who Carrie Ann called out on a lift, but they debated whether it was actually a lift or not, and she got her feelings hurt. Jenna got her feelings hurt. And so Val tried to take up for her, I'll guess, and said a comment on social media about how JJ: Gut for our guests and said a comment on social media about Mary-Margaret: he was almost like Fresh Prince of Bel Air going up on stage. Now, people have said you could take that two ways. One, you use the phrase that Will Smith said, which was, keep your my wife's name out of your mouth, or you take it as, I'm gonna come up and slap you. So which way did you take it and what do you think of it all? JJ: Going up on stage. Now, people have said you could take that two ways. One, you use the phrase that Will Smith said, which was, Keep your my wife's name out of your mouth. Yeah. Or you take it as, I'm gonna come up and slap you. Yeah. So which way did you take it and what do you think of it all? I took it as this keep my name's my my wife's name out of your mouth, but I also I also felt like it was one of those things that he probably should have just not gone to social media with it because you Mary-Margaret: Right. JJ: because the interpretation is so up in the air. But Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: I did feel like Carrie Ann was a little condescending, like it was a little over the top to read the rules to someone who's won the show and has been there for several years. She obviously knows what the rules regarding a lift are. The fact Mary-Margaret: Right. JJ: that Carrie Ann picked up the piece of paper and read Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: the definition of a lift to her is probably what pissed off not just Jenna Mary-Margaret: I yeah, I think you could have just JJ: but all of the dancers. Mary-Margaret: she has done it plenty of times before where she'll say, I have to deduct a little bit 'cause there was a lift over there, but you probably know that. whatever, and then she moves on. But this time to pull up the paper. Yeah, right. But to pull up the paper. JJ: Yeah. And even when Jenna was like a lift, she could have been like, Yeah, just watch it back. 'cause even Derek was like the paper. Yeah, but ecause even Derek, when she grabbed the paper and she said it, Derek was like, 'cause you know, he's a Mary-Margaret: Yeah, he said, JJ: been a dancer on the show. He's like, Mary-Margaret: Yeah JJ: I think someone probably got in her ear that night and goes, That was a little much. 'Cause I it did Mary-Margaret: Mm-hmm. JJ: look like Jenna it embar it's embarrassing. Like you're we're on national TV and all I said was a lift and you're like Yeah, the definition of a lift is blah blah blah. Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: Jenna was probably I I think Val's reaction was because Jenna was probably very embarrassed by that. She was probably crying. And he ov and he overreacted and Mary-Margaret: She was crying out off stage. Yeah. JJ: was like, Now I've got a ticket for my wife because every all the dancers were probably saying the same thing, like that was uncalled for. She didn't have to do that. And then I think he took it upon himself to speak for his wife. So I get emotions were rattled. Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: But also you have two people on the show that are also associated with Fresh Prince. Find another reference. Yeah. Yeah. 'Cause I think that's Mary-Margaret: Yeah, yeah. I JJ: why Tatiana's been a little bit of standoffish with Mary-Margaret: I agree. JJ: them. Mary-Margaret: And I I took it first thing when I first heard it, I thought it was referring to keep my wife's name out of your mouth. But but then all JJ: Yeah, now that you missed. Yeah, I didn't think he was gonna slap her. I but then Mary-Margaret: the people started talking about this is it now. And Carrie Ann reposted it and was like, This is what we're doing now, this is what we're promoting. And when she said it is when the production was like, wait, sorry, you took it as the slap. Okay, so we're We're not gonna promote that, so we're gonna ban him for one week. Like I don't know. I felt like it was a little touchy. I feel like they JJ: Yeah, it was a little touchy. I feel like Mary-Margaret: could have had this conversation through an email, after the fact. JJ: after the fact she also needs to be told, these are things you probably don't need to do on TV. There Mary-Margaret: Right. JJ: are times when I feel and that was one of them where I felt like Carrie Ann's time has has probably she's probably Mary-Margaret: Agreed. JJ: overstayed longer than she should have. Everyone's getting tired of her calling off the list because we wanna see good dances. Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: We don't wanna see let's and I get it's about a safety thing, but she says it every year. multiple times during the dances and it's just like just take away the point at this time because that's Mary-Margaret: Yeah. Right. JJ: what everybody calls you is the lift judge. Right, Mary-Margaret: Right, right. JJ: right. none of the other judges ever call it out because they know you're going to do it. And Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: even Derek was like, Yeah, there is a lift there but it it's Right. Yeah, I was about to say it's not like she Mary-Margaret: Right. Yeah, I was about to say it's not like she's the only one that ever says the word lift. he'll say Derek or Bruno or something will be like, yeah, you just came up a little bit over here and that's obviously you know, if we're following the rules, that's not it. But then they move on. Like JJ: She the fact that she had the definition sitting there Mary-Margaret: I know, I like wondering, I'm like, why is that paper there? you've been doing this for forty years or whatever. why are you have the definition in front of you? JJ: I I I I feel like it's time for them to take a break from carry in. Let us see some not I thought it was gonna be Shirley Ballast, but Shirley Ballast was pissing me off with those low scores. Like we I don't I don't Mary-Margaret: Dude Shirley Ballast bringing out the fours for people and we JJ: wanna see people get like be in tears getting critiqued, so I don't know that you're the replacement we're looking for. But if Mark Mary-Margaret: Gracious No JJ: ever decides to stop dancing, I'd like to see Mark back there. Mary-Margaret: No, you know who it needs to be is Kim Johnson. JJ: I liked Kim. Kim was good on there. She was good. Mary-Margaret: Kim's fantastic at it. She's firm and she knows the the rules of dance. JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: in a real world dance competition, she knows the rules legit. JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: But I think she offers critiquing, she shows it, she she's fluent and like eloquent with how she says things and then she moves on, you know, and gives a compliment or something. But she's JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: very classy about it. I think it should be her. JJ: Yeah, yeah. Mary-Margaret: And she's she's older, she's retired from it now, so she's not in the mix. Yes, she did. JJ: So not She married her dancer. She married her celeb. Mary-Margaret: In a little controversy, but she did. And but I think she's respected enough in that world. Like she could get up there just like JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: Carrie Ann used to be respected when she was younger in that world. But she's not in it anymore. She's JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: just the judge now. Even when Lynn Goodman was on the show. Lynn was respected in that genre JJ: Yeah, yeah. Mary-Margaret: for a whole different way of things. Carrie Ann was a fly girl. it's it's I have no idea, but that's the thing. We JJ: Yeah. No one's yeah. I don't I was gonna say, did she ever ballroom dance? I have no idea. That's the thing. Mary-Margaret: if if she did, it wasn't enough that we all know it, right? there's no mistaking. Yes. JJ: Right. And I know Bruno's a judge from that world. And Bruno's fun. he g gives good critiques but I don't think he's overstayed his time because he's still Mary-Margaret: No. JJ: fun and Mary-Margaret: Yep. And I think he's still uplifting for people and you know, yeah. JJ: He makes people feel good. I do think Carrie Ann tries to play the Lynn Goodman role a little too much now that he's not there. Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: And it's backfiring on her. I do think it's time even if it's just let's take a break from her, like Mary-Margaret: Yeah, I just don't think she has the respect that Lynn Goodman had. So when people would l hear Lynn give a critique, people they jokingly, I think in the audience would always be like, Boo, and he JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: he was like, What? What do you want me to say? But they still respected it. JJ: Yes. Mary-Margaret: And especially the pros, I think respected it. I don't think they respect Carrie Ann. JJ: And I think this time it's even more so. you don't need to read the definition of a lift to a professional dancer. She knows. She was just asking asking you where the lift was, basically. Because I think Mary-Margaret: Right, right. JJ: she honestly didn't think there was a lift. And people kept Mary-Margaret: Well and JJ: playing it back and saying that it was when when the other dancers lifted him in the air. Right. And Mary-Margaret: Right. And she even said she was like, I'm sorry, I thought it was when we were only for partners. Yeah. JJ: Well without Yeah. And she misunderstood it, which was fine, but for you to pick up a p like I thought that was condescending. Mary-Margaret: Well, I feel like Lynn Goodman would have said, and there was a lift. You shouldn't have done the lift. We have to deduct a point and she would have said, A lift, JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: and he'd be like, Yeah, go back and watch it. You'll see what I'm saying. You'll see it afterwards and then he would have moved on. He would have never picked JJ: And he would have moved on. He wouldn't Mary-Margaret: up that paper. JJ: And I think Lynn Goodman would have said something to Carrie Ann afterwards for doing that. I think too. Mary-Margaret: I I think so too. JJ: And I'm not so sure that Derek or Bruno didn't. 'Cause Derek looked horrified for her. Like he was just like 'cause he's been in Mary-Margaret: Yeah, agreed. Yeah. Yeah. JJ: that position too of being judged and probably being told that there was a lift and it was like she was I don't feel like Jenna was being disrespectful. No. Mary-Margaret: No. JJ: But I think Carrie Ann took it as disrespect and was just like went off the rails. But anyway, yeah it was her tone. Her tone. Her tone was horrible. Like a hush Mary-Margaret: Yeah, and it was her tone her tone too, whenever she was saying it. It was really snippy. JJ: came over the crowd. Even the crowd felt Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: she made everybody in that room and on TV. I was in my house uncomfortable for Jenna. Right. So it was like Yeah, I don't know. I just Mary-Margaret: Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, I'm glad they've moved on. I'm glad nobody got seriously miffed about it and kicked rocks or anything, JJ: I still think she's upset about it w but you have to put on the the face and I know they showed the video of her and Val apologizing to each other, but I do I think he's still mad? Yeah. Mary-Margaret: Yeah. Hundred percent. Hundred percent. JJ: I think all the dancers are probably still mad at her. I would if I were the dancers already gotten together, let's all just put lifts in our dances next year. I would have been that petty dancer, like everybody, Mary-Margaret: Yeah. Everybody just do lifts. Everybody just take one for the team and do a lift this week. JJ: I don't care if your dance allows it or not, put a lift in. Mary-Margaret: Nope. We're all doing lifts. I 100% would have done that. I'd have been like, I'll I'll take the point. I'll take it. Take it off to whatever. Yeah. Yes. Right. That would have been awesome. JJ: I would have been that petty dancer would have just been like let's just do it. They can't kick us all off. I'll the point. Right, I'll take the point. Whatever. Like they can't they can't eliminate us all. They can't suspend everyone for a week. Like here are your prof here are your celebrities and Mary-Margaret: And then whenever she calls out the lift JJ: their substitute dancers. Mary-Margaret: Yes, every time that they call her out too or that she calls out the lift, I would have been like, What lift? What? I would have said it every time. Every time. What? JJ: Lift. And had an obvious lift in my day up in the air. Mary-Margaret: I would have lifted I would have lifted someone on the judge's table, and then been like, wait, JJ: What lived? Mary-Margaret: what lift? That was just placing her in a different position. That's it. JJ: I don't really like do you have a definition? Mary-Margaret: I'm sorry, I didn't have the rule book in my trailer. I JJ: What's the definition of a Mary-Margaret: would have so done it. so glad somebody else would thought that too. This is this is why I'm not on the show. JJ: That's why I'm not a professional dancer on the show so that this is probably not I would have been in a group chat so quick. Everybody's doing lipstick Mary-Margaret: my gosh. JJ: so everybody's doing lips next week, right? Mary-Margaret: I would have loved to be in their group chat that night. Like, could you imagine Sharna's over there like super fast thumbs being like, this is ridiculous? And then they've got they bring in Max, like and Pita, you know, they like call them in from the from the couches at home, being like, guys, get in on this chat. Like, what's going on? 100%. JJ: Yeah. I'm surprised they didn't do a TikTok with a lift in it. Mary-Margaret: Or they're even gonna like call Gleb in and be like, Gleb. What do you think? We know JJ: Should we lift? Mary-Margaret: nobody likes you anymore, but seriously, what's the deal? Dead dead to me. She's on the list. I love his list. JJ: Yon's Yon's only thing in the text message was dead to me, Carrie Ann. Dead Dead to me. She's on the list. D T love his list. I love it. Mary-Margaret: I love Jan. I love Jan. JJ: I he gr he's grown to be I I love that he's prepared with Tatiana 'cause I was not excited about him when he was with the housewife or not the housewife but the Mormon wife last year. Mary-Margaret: Yeah, I wasn't either. And he was new and it was the whole Taylor Swift thing and all that stuff. But I love him now. he's really Yeah. JJ: Yeah. He is hilarious. Yeah. Mary-Margaret: You should look up his post interview where they talk about is he okay that JJ: Okay. Mary-Margaret: Pasha won Sexiest Pro? And he was like, No, I mean it's fine, you know, he's like, I mean, JJ: Mm. Mary-Margaret: I was never Prom King. I was never awarded anything. He goes, I've never had one of those those things. What's this called? And Tatiana's like, a sash. And he's like, JJ: But he's like Mary-Margaret: Yeah, yeah, I've never had a sash. And so the next week somebody brought him a sash that said prom king on it. And he was like genuinely in tears. JJ: He was genuinely in tears. Mary-Margaret: Yeah, super cute. So I love him too. but I'm just glad my boy Pasha was not involved in all that. So JJ: Yeah. So Mary-Margaret: Hey, did you JJ: had six isn't to Dad Yella, he might have been. Mary-Margaret: I know, true. Did you know that Carrie Ann dated Artem back in the day? What? I know. Yes. I had no JJ: No. What? during the show? Yes. No way. Mary-Margaret: idea. I had no idea, but I heard that and I was like, Ew. I don't like it. No, I don't like that. I let's pull out the rule book because I'm pretty sure that's not allowed. You can't JJ: How do you judge someone you've dated? That's why she needs to go. Conflict of interest. Let's pull out the rule book because of Where's the rules of fratinization with their dancers as a judge? Mary-Margaret: date the people you're judging. Love it. okay, so there is a thing in the sexiest man alive episode edition, and it's like I'm not quite sh understanding like why they do it, but they call it the Sexiest Man Alive centerfold. JJ: I don't know. Mary-Margaret: And so I don't know why that's any different than being the sexiest man alive. JJ: wait, so it's not just like a centerfold of Noah Wiley, it's Mary-Margaret: Right, you would think, right? I'm picturing Playboy or something, you turn the magazine side buttons and hold it up. Right. You turn it so it's a full body one. Exactly. You would tear out the middle so you could hang it on your wall. It's a poster. JJ: Right, like can I get a can I get a a larger picture of Noah? Like they used to have a tiger beat. Exactly. You would tear out the middle so you could get on a ballet poster. Yeah. Mary-Margaret: But no, so this is Sexiest Man Alive, Centerfold. And so I don't know the difference, and I don't understand why they have him, but this year is Paul Anthony Kelly, who played J FK Junior in love story. JJ: Okay. I don't get the reference as far as centerfold, but okay. Mary-Margaret: I don't either. And so, but he I mean, yeah, he's handsome, I get it. Okay, whatever. JJ: Is he a former model? I I guess they all are at some point. Mary-Margaret: I don't I don't I don't know. JJ: That would be my next guess Mary-Margaret: Yes. JJ: is it's a model. Mary-Margaret: Maybe I don't know, but I mean if that was the case, I mean and he's got a full spread on like people dot com if you go there, like just Noah Wiley does. He has a full spread on it. And so I don't I'm not quite sure just the JJ: See the second runner up. Mary-Margaret: well yes, and if that's the case, call him such. But I feel like JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: it's not very fair. Like I'm not I'm not really pumped on. JJ: The man who just wasn't who was just missed out on being sexy on that. Mary-Margaret: Just him. He he's runner up or and if Noah Wiley cannot fulfill his duties, this guy steps in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. JJ: If Noah Wiley cannot get Phil Studios, Villas Studi, he's next in line. Got it. We'll get a redo edition. Mary-Margaret: I guess so. yeah, so that's about it. Like I'm not even gonna give him much time because that was not I don't think it was fair and I'll be a Noah fan. So that brings a close to this year's Analysing people in magazines episode. JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: Analyzing guys that, clearly already made the cut. So JJ: Yeah, and I know we talk about this all the time too, but is it sexist to do a sexiest woman alive? You know. Mary-Margaret: I I think they did it one year, right, for Cindy Crawford. JJ: Okay. And it just didn't take off the way it did with the sexiest man. I guess. Mary-Margaret: And but it I guess JJ: 'Cause we're buying the magazines. There's not a guy in the store like, you know what I'm gonna go? I'm gonna go buy that sexiest woman alive and show the people magazine. Mary-Margaret: Right. And and and I don't know many that are just buying People magazine in general, right? So JJ: True. Although of the magazines it would be one of the ones I pick up 'cause I do like reading it. They do have some interesting articles Mary-Margaret: I do too. JJ: in there. Mary-Margaret: They do and I do enjoy the crossword and stuff in the back 'cause I can complete it. JJ: Yes, they have a good crossword. That's right. I know all of this. I can win this one. Time me. Time me. No. Mary-Margaret: I can win this one. Time me. Time me. No, I I it's it's my favorite like travel magazine, right? Like when JJ: Mm-hmm. Mary-Margaret: you go on an airplane you buy a paper magazine. JJ: 'Cause I'm gonna read it, I'm gonna get through it. Yeah. There's not just one Mary-Margaret: That's right. JJ: article I'm gonna read. I'm gonna read it front to back. I'll read everything Mary-Margaret: Yes. JJ: in People magazine. Mary-Margaret: I'm I mean, one thing about me is I'm not your vogue girl. You know, I just I can't. Like I'd first of all JJ: through my stages where I tried to be a vogue and cosmo girl and I'm like this isn't Mary-Margaret: I tried. JJ: I I was like mm I can't afford the clothes in there number one. Exactly. So I don't look like them I don't look like them. I don't have their lifestyle. I'm just reading like just feel bad about myself. Mary-Margaret: But you know what? Exactly. One, I don't I don't look like the people in there that's never gonna relate to them. Correct. But you know what really bugs me? yes. I put it down and I huff and puff for a little bit. JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: Do you know what really bugs me though about Vogue, glamour, those type of things, those magazines? And I'm being 100% honest, one of the reasons that I cannot purchase those and read them is because I cannot get a smell out of my head then for three days. those magazines smell for JJ: Because of the perfume stuff in them? Mary-Margaret: perfume samples in there and it bothers me really bad. I can't I can't even like pick JJ: Mm. Yeah, I can't I can't even like Mary-Margaret: it up and like fan through it. Like it is so strong and I JJ: It's just overwhelming. So strong. Yeah. Mary-Margaret: judge like I'll be reading something in there and And that smell is bothering me so bad that it's like makes me mad at whatever I'm reading. JJ: No, yeah, I get it. Mary-Margaret: So it's a big deal for me and I choose not to. So JJ: And even the perfume samples they have there to rub on your skin once and they're gone. Mary-Margaret: Yes. JJ: I can't afford the real thing. So 'cause it's two hundred and fifty dollars a bottle or three hundred dollars a bottle. magazine. Yeah. And magazines expensive. They are expensive now. But Mary-Margaret: So they just want you to go back and buy another magazine of it. And magazines are expensive now too. My gosh. JJ: at least when you buy people, it's in people, I believe it. So Mary-Margaret: Yeah, JJ: like they've written they're real journalists, they have done their research, they are writing are I will talk to other people about what I read in People magazine. Mary-Margaret: I also like how People magazine does stories that are not famous people. You know, like they talk about like JJ: Yeah, yeah, yeah. the crime edition I like to read about the crime stories. I'd like to I'd like what are we solving? 'Cause I might be able to help. Give me the clues. Mary-Margaret: I love the crime one. I love that. That's the best one. Yes. Well, okay, I'm glad we're we're on that same JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: thing. And you know, the people app is amazing. If you get the people.com JJ: It's amazing. Mary-Margaret: app, it's great. And if you sign up for the notifications or like turn on the notifications, it just sends you like a little little tidbit like so and so just and they do n breaking news too. So if there's something big that happened, but that's how I found out about Dolly Parton. things like that. They're really on top of it. So JJ: Yeah. Mary-Margaret: so that's my app recommend recommendation for the day. Excellent. JJ: Okay. I I could get on board with that one. Mary-Margaret: Love it. All right, Jeanette. It's been fun talking to you as always about our favorite things. Sounds like today it was dancing and pretty boys. Which I'm not opposed to at any episode if we ever want to deal with this. So Yeah. So good to see you. I hope everything's going well. JJ: I I'm down. My favorite thing. Yes, going well. Mary-Margaret: Great, great. Well, we're diving in soon to the holiday season, which we all know what that means. Jeanette's gonna get a PowerPoint presentation soon. Stop it. JJ: it's I've gotten it. We've gotta talk about it. I got it. I got it early. Stop is just First of October. Mary-Margaret: Stop it's just now November. JJ: And it has been revised and from Mary-Margaret: From your college student? JJ: the college student. It has been revised and updated several times. It is a share it's a shareable document. It's a live doc. It's a live doc, yeah. Mary-Margaret: 'Cause it's a is it live doc? my gosh. Please tell me like one top item 'cause I'm at a loss. I have no idea what to do. JJ: ridiculous things. Like there's a camera on there. obviously. Yeah. Like a digital because they wanted to like us. They said Yes. Yes. Mary-Margaret: obviously. Dig like a digital 'cause they wanna just look like us, they said all the time back in the nineties. Yeah. JJ: and it takes better pictures than the phone of whatever. I don't see her walking around with a camera, but whatever. Mary-Margaret: So dumb. I know. JJ: And there's a shark hair sty dryer styling tool on there, bunch Mary-Margaret: yeah. Yeah. JJ: of makeup's hair stuff. But everything is Mary-Margaret: Girly stuff. JJ: a I said make a top three list, and it can't be all of your high end it can't be all of the expensive items are the top five. Right, Mary-Margaret: It's the pricing ones, yes. JJ: because you've got si you've got a sibling who also Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: has a list. And you're in college, so Mary-Margaret: Yep. JJ: there's that. but everything is like, I really want this, and I really like you really want everything w on the list, which is why the list exists. But Mary-Margaret: That's why it's there, sure. JJ: but yeah, there's shoes on there. The Mary-Margaret: Interesting. Okay. JJ: yeah. The back seventy shoes. I don't know if you've ever heard if you've heard of those. Mary-Margaret: What is it? JJ: I think they're called back seventy. Mary-Margaret: No. JJ: But they're on the list. It's a shoe that has a seventy on it and they're fancy they're not gem shoes, but they're they're like those little niche like they're there's tennis shoes, but they're not recreational shoes. So they're rubber soles, Mary-Margaret: Right, right, right, right. JJ: but they're like the fancy designs that you wear with cute little outfits. And there's one Mary-Margaret: Of course, sure. JJ: of those like, she's got back seventy shoes. You know, like just one of those bragging type shoes. Not like Mary-Margaret: goodness. JJ: not like your Nikes. So I don't know. There's ridiculous items Mary-Margaret: Yeah, yes. Okay, okay. JJ: on there, but I have started, Mary Margaret, I I've started I've already started your shopping. Mary-Margaret: You've already started your shopping? JJ: I d I just told you about the list, right? Like I have to pay pace myself. She's not getting everything on the list, first of all. And I've Mary-Margaret: Holy crap. Well, sure. JJ: already let her know that. Like your list is ridiculous and I'm not spending like three thousand dollars on your Christmas. That's not happening. Mary-Margaret: Or right. JJ: not spending three thousand dollars on Christmas total, period. So like Mary-Margaret: Yeah. JJ: we're done with that. we talked about the election as right, yes. No. W I Mary-Margaret: As we talked about the election last night. Yes, no, we're not expensive this stuff. JJ: gas, groceries, Merry Christmas. so Mary-Margaret: Yeah, right. Roof over your head. JJ: but yes, I have started. I started this week so that I can pace Mary-Margaret: My gosh. JJ: myself. So I do like and then I've got to get the boy he hasn't made his list yet, but you know, I've s I've already started shopping for him too, just to come into things that I know he's not gonna care. So Mary-Margaret: My gosh. Okay, well now I feel behind. Fantastic. Just like I always do every season with you. You're just you win at this every year. And I never learn, JJ: No. Mary-Margaret: but JJ: No, I made her give me the re list early because I knew it was just gonna be off off the charts, ridiculous, because Mary-Margaret: Yeah. Yeah. JJ: she's pulling the I I'm not close to home, I don't get to see you guys all the day. Don't you feel bad for me? no. You're right where Mary-Margaret: Stop stop JJ: you wanna be. You're right where you decided to be. that's exactly it. You chose this. You chose this school. I didn't send you to Louisiana. That Mary-Margaret: That's exactly it. You chose this, friend. That's right. JJ: was not my choice. There are lots of schools right here in North Carolina that could have been happy to have you. Mary-Margaret: Well absolutely. Absolutely. Well, okay, well then next one coming up, holiday edition. Everybody get ready. JJ: Yeah, we'll talk about it. See how far I've gotten. Mary-Margaret: gosh. Okay. Well, I guess I'll go shopping now. Thanks so much, Jeanette. 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