Swimming Against the Stream

[00:00:00] What you want, when you want it, where you want it. This is The Mesh.

[00:00:30] The Mesh.tv podcast network. My name is Alan Jackson with me is Brian Jackson. We share the same last name that is no coincidence.

[00:00:39] We are in fact brothers, although Brian I... Wait a minute. We are brothers, although...

[00:00:47] No, no, no, no, no. We're not brothers. Okay.

[00:00:50] Okay. You all know I would go to the brother part. Okay. All right.

[00:00:55] I would say that people would be able to look at us and say, oh, they must be brothers because they seem to be real to be close in age.

[00:01:03] I think I've hit the mid-life crisis point in my life.

[00:01:11] I actually had someone call me called early the other day.

[00:01:16] Oh, oh. And especially when I was near next to a friend of mine who is also the same age I am.

[00:01:23] They were called... They were told that they look like they're in their 30s and when asked how old somebody thought I was, I got an age much closer...

[00:01:32] Several years older than my actual age. So... Wow. Wow.

[00:01:38] So I don't want to clarify if I favor by Brian is my actual brother. We're only a very small number of years apart.

[00:01:44] I'm run his father. I'm not his uncle. It's we are brothers.

[00:01:50] Making sure I was really clear with everybody. Yeah.

[00:01:53] Well, one of us... One of us has decided to get rid of the white hair that's coming in and just not let it be as visible.

[00:02:03] The other one is embracing it.

[00:02:08] I can't wait to show it off and face as well as... I can't wait to shave all this off.

[00:02:15] All which part? Just this.

[00:02:20] Yeah, that too. Yeah, mainly face.

[00:02:24] I'm not ready to part with the hair yet.

[00:02:28] There's still like coloring products or something.

[00:02:32] Yeah, your hair is still flowing. It still works. I gave up on that quite a while ago.

[00:02:38] Anyway, I'm sorry about the elderly.

[00:02:41] Well, what it was we were doing some interviews for a show we do and we were at a place at an amusement park type place here in the area.

[00:02:50] We were interviewing people that were working there and somebody made a comment.

[00:02:55] One of the girls working at this park said, oh, I'm...

[00:02:59] This elderly person the other day tried to hit on me and we were all curious like, what is your definition of elderly?

[00:03:06] Oh, I thought they were talking about you.

[00:03:09] No, no, no. What is your definition of elderly?

[00:03:11] Because you referred to somebody as elderly, we want to know she's like, oh, you know, elderly is like over 50.

[00:03:18] That's a problem.

[00:03:21] Wow, because I'm just barely but I am over 50.

[00:03:25] And then again, then she was asked to guest the ages of me and my crew members and my colleague who I was filming, who is the exact same age I am, got called like 38.

[00:03:39] And I got 56, I think.

[00:03:44] Okay, so I feel a little better now because it sounds like those two comments were disjointed.

[00:03:50] It wasn't that that person walked up to you are like, oh, well, you're elderly, right?

[00:03:55] So they didn't connect the elderly to you right away.

[00:03:58] No, but you connect the dots there.

[00:04:01] I know you can connect the dots, right?

[00:04:02] But I'm just wondering like the challenge whether she realized midway she goes, oh, well, if I sit 38 there, I better kind of jump up on the other.

[00:04:10] But maybe didn't connect the fact that I've now categorized that as elderly.

[00:04:14] I don't know.

[00:04:15] I don't know.

[00:04:16] I mean, what I'm taking from this is that according to her, you are elderly and I am not and I think that is just fine.

[00:04:24] And that's where I'm that's where I'm very upset.

[00:04:27] Yeah.

[00:04:29] Anyway, so I'm a little bit of time.

[00:04:31] Is it?

[00:04:32] Is it time to go to the KW or what?

[00:04:35] I will be honest about this.

[00:04:37] Okay, right before this podcast recording, you know what I was doing for the half hour of tour taking your pills.

[00:04:43] I don't know what I was eating dinner on a TV tray tapioca pudding watching Will a fortune.

[00:04:53] Yes.

[00:04:55] Oh, now that's perfect.

[00:04:57] That's perfect.

[00:04:58] It was actually a moment Brian where I sat there honestly like right in the middle of the show.

[00:05:01] I just kind of stopped and I looked at me, liked all around.

[00:05:05] I'm like, what the hell man?

[00:05:09] It's it.

[00:05:11] I am.

[00:05:12] It's a self fulfilling property.

[00:05:13] I get called elderly and now I'm just fine.

[00:05:15] I'm just doing elderly things.

[00:05:18] You're yelling at pet sage.

[00:05:20] I just want to give out candy.

[00:05:24] For Halloween night to give out candy and I should probably spend more time making sure the kids weren't walking on our lawn and sidewalk to come under the front porch.

[00:05:32] a ratioing out the candy illegal.

[00:05:34] No, no, no, yeah three three pieces is enough.

[00:05:38] Oh man, it sucks being elderly, doesn't it?

[00:05:44] It seems like that this is what it is.

[00:05:47] So I've been, I've been a little bit

[00:05:48] of a fight the last couple days, plus I know

[00:05:50] this is a show about technology even though

[00:05:52] we haven't talked about technology yet at all

[00:05:54] in the five minutes we've been running and I know

[00:05:58] that that's what we're here to talk about brothers

[00:05:59] tech we talk about home and family and personal technology and tips and tricks or ideas or recommendations

[00:06:06] and so forth. I'm not in the mood to talk technology tonight Brian, so I'm probably going to let you

[00:06:11] do the talking. I had to deal with a massive, you know, for those who aren't kind of aware how

[00:06:19] websites work, you know, we we manage, I'd say probably there's probably about 30 some websites that

[00:06:26] I have a hand in overseeing and managing and keeping tabs on. And we use a hosting company to

[00:06:33] do all the hosting of those sites for us. And they guarantee, of course, like 99.9% up time that

[00:06:40] they're always going to be up and running. Well, this morning, they went down for about six hours,

[00:06:46] maybe close to seven hours, which is really long for a company like this. So I had to entertain

[00:06:52] a lot of phone calls from customers and clients and my own websites and everything. It was it

[00:06:58] was a rough morning, so I'm not in a very tech friendly mood at the moment. Actually, I'm

[00:07:04] understanding thinking about in my old rage, maybe just saying you'd forget it all. I'm just going

[00:07:10] to shut down all the technology and I'm just going to go.

[00:07:13] That's where we are right now. That's what we are. That's the state I'm in right now. So

[00:07:22] we are going to talk about a topic that luckily you are going to drive most of, but I do have

[00:07:27] questions and I want to hear you talk about it. And it is a little bit. It's kind of fighting the

[00:07:32] technology a little bit. It's kind of rebelling against some of the technology. We're still

[00:07:37] going to use technology, but it's rebelling against where the trend in technology is going right now.

[00:07:41] Right. It's a degree. We're going to talk about streaming TV services, which we've talked about

[00:07:47] plenty of times before. But we're bringing it up specifically today because I don't know if the

[00:07:53] rest of you listening have noticed, but a lot of streaming services have started to increase

[00:07:59] their fees. Now, it's been ongoing that every service kind of incrementally increases its fees.

[00:08:06] But it seems to be like a wholesale increase. Apple is doing it, which is the first time they've

[00:08:10] done an increase of their offerings, their Apple TV plus and so forth. YouTube TV, I don't think

[00:08:17] it's had a recent like in the last couple of weeks increase, but they've increased several times

[00:08:21] in the past couple of years. There we've got a few others going up as well. So it's just the time

[00:08:27] where you start to do the math on how much you could be spending for all the streaming TV services.

[00:08:32] It starts to get really out there. Ryan, it's you hit on this months ago, talk to an idea of

[00:08:41] a different way of handling live TV or getting live TV without having to get a large subscription

[00:08:48] of streaming service package to do so. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like you might have fleshed that out

[00:08:53] a little bit more and maybe actually have something to kind of talk us through a proof of concept

[00:08:56] from how to do it. Well, yeah. I have a solution that I am trying and I am kind of working through

[00:09:05] as I'm calling it more of a fail safe right now that if things start to escalate even further,

[00:09:13] which I think they will on the subscription models, I think we're going to start to see

[00:09:18] several of these services continue to go up or start to kind of have two tiers where

[00:09:26] if you want to keep doing it the way you want to do it, then it's going to be more or you have

[00:09:30] to have mandatory ads on everything and maybe you can stay where you are. So I think that we're

[00:09:35] getting to that point where they realize they have us for the most part and I think some people

[00:09:42] are getting smart, Alan. We talked about this before that instead of having every service all the

[00:09:47] time because of what you're doing but maybe popping a service on and off and on and off and say,

[00:09:52] hey, for the next three months I'm going to go Netflix and then I'll cancel it and then I'm

[00:09:55] going to go to Hulu and then I'm going to watch it for three months and cancel it.

[00:09:59] I think they realize some people are doing that and the way it's almost like a fitness

[00:10:04] a health center model is like every time you come back I'm going to

[00:10:08] is probably going to be a little more expensive than it was the last time and because I know you're

[00:10:11] going to be leaving me soon so I need to get what I can from you in the moment. So I don't know

[00:10:17] it's gotten pretty frustrating because I cut the cord from cable, I think back in maybe 2006 or

[00:10:30] 2007. I decided to go away from cable and started doing some over the air stuff.

[00:10:38] We were recording it to Mac Mini at the time and just having a way in which we can pull from

[00:10:43] the Mac Mini, record things, watch things a little later so we had our own DVR service and then

[00:10:49] then where Netflix started coming about and we were having DVB shipped to us and that was all

[00:10:54] great and then it went to the streaming and more internet. So we had a great period of time there.

[00:11:00] Do you remember right when YouTube TV came out? It was $25 a month, maybe you had $7 a month for

[00:11:08] Netflix and then you were kind of loving life at that point. You had everything and then of course

[00:11:14] Apple got in the game and the fact that we had Amazon Prime get in the game and provide us a

[00:11:21] service outside of the streaming to where quite honestly I wouldn't care at all about Amazon

[00:11:26] streaming if it wasn't for the shipping and the fact that I have it, I know I'm going to keep it.

[00:11:31] So we've gone through this several several. Those were those issues.

[00:11:36] Those were the good old days. I'm going to live, I'm going to lean into my elderly status and say yeah

[00:11:42] kids today don't know how good we had it just a few years ago. A few years ago. Yeah like

[00:11:49] three four years ago or five years ago. Five years ago maybe.

[00:11:52] Things are so much more less expensive. I used to have five streaming services at a time and I

[00:11:59] didn't pay more than $40 a month. So yeah. So you know right now like we and Alan and Alan

[00:12:07] I have it, we've made no well we've it's been no secret that we love YouTube TV and I personally

[00:12:15] still I think they buried every other live TV service by their quality of their interface.

[00:12:23] How good their streams are, how quick their streams are.

[00:12:28] It's been really good and it says a lot when like said I got into them when they were $25

[00:12:34] a month and then it went to 35 and then I remember going to 49 and then it jumped to 70 something

[00:12:41] or 69 and then 70 something and every one of those times after about 40 I kept saying

[00:12:49] I don't know, I don't know if I can do it. And then sure enough they'd put out new channels,

[00:12:54] they'd make new features and they've really kind of up their game to where it's hard to

[00:12:58] it's hard to leave them, it's hard to leave that service but I've started realizing lately that maybe

[00:13:04] now they have so many things going on that maybe there are things that I we're just not even

[00:13:08] touching the surface and I'll tell you Alan from my perspective what has led me to this epiphany

[00:13:15] within the last couple weeks of really wanting to make a try to make a change was my wife and I

[00:13:22] I think I told you we jumped into Game of Thrones about two or three months ago.

[00:13:27] I had seen it back in COVID, I watched it on an iPad on my you know when I was right in my bike

[00:13:33] every day and I could barely remember seeing it didn't really have. Exactly the way the directors

[00:13:38] intended to do. They wanted to see it on a small screen yeah exactly so I didn't remember even a lot

[00:13:44] of it and but what's been beautiful is that she had never seen it and the fact that we now have one

[00:13:50] thing that we've been watching now for months and that's the only thing we've watched that is literally

[00:13:55] the only thing we watched we haven't touched every any other service we haven't touched any other

[00:14:00] show we've just every time we sit down we watch one episode of that or maybe two and then that's it

[00:14:04] and I started thinking now okay I'm paying for YouTube TV for pretty much the sports at this point

[00:14:12] everything else is convenience right I mean I love the fact that convenience on everything but I

[00:14:16] don't necessarily know if I need it so all that to be said I've got I've got a way in which I'm

[00:14:25] going to try and move forward on being able to have some of that live TV capable. DVR capable

[00:14:34] without the heavy service fees so can I walk you through my my solution and many of you will remember

[00:14:43] we talked about this solution in the past but we didn't really have the full feature version

[00:14:49] of the solution and so Alan I thought what I would do was show the show the interface first

[00:14:55] and then go back and talk about how it's being created so all right so let me show this

[00:15:05] so people will remember we've talked about this before that Plex Plex TV is a service that is

[00:15:16] away in which you can take lots of different streams of information whether that's stuff that you own

[00:15:23] whether that's stuff on the internet whether that's coming from we'll see in a minute live TV

[00:15:30] Alan and I both have home servers that we've kind of put in place with NAS servers network attached

[00:15:36] servers and that allowed me to do backups and store away my movies and all of that so once that

[00:15:43] happened I needed this interface to it and Plex was the interface that we used Alan used it well

[00:15:49] before I did and I started kind of being jealous of the way he had it rolling so just so you know

[00:15:55] this this interface right now is on a website I can access this on Apple TV on a Roku device pretty much

[00:16:03] like anything else that you would access maybe Netflix or or Hulu one of those and you're looking

[00:16:09] in my home right now which gives some channels and I'll show you how we're getting those in a minute

[00:16:15] shows that are on right now which is coming from a couple different services both the

[00:16:20] over-the-air TV that we that I'm pulling as well as it has capable of doing kind of streaming live TV

[00:16:29] and then there's a number of movies and movies are the things that I have access to as well as

[00:16:34] some freebies that are built in here as well as things that Alan shares with me so there's lots

[00:16:39] of opportunities to be able to watch content so if I just go down the left side over here the movies

[00:16:46] would be the things that I have downloaded already they are my movies they are things that I've put

[00:16:52] in a server so that I can stream them from a server in my house Brian I'm sorry don't no don't

[00:17:01] it's not me it's not me don't say it you did say the phrase my movies these are my movies and I

[00:17:10] just want to be compared to your past people that are listening are not seeing the selections of

[00:17:16] movies that I am seeing on the screen right now let's just say Brian batting maybe 40% on what I would

[00:17:27] consider okay I'll slide over there some better ones but then there's also some

[00:17:31] not so better one you uh you're still a magnolious fan that's you that's

[00:17:37] something yeah let's just say some of these are my wives in some of their mind Alan would you

[00:17:42] like to jump over to your movies and let's critique all of those you're bringing them on I have

[00:17:46] me I have no rent hesitations online oh my gosh oh that's I have a reason for every single movie

[00:17:54] that's in my plex library well I have a reason for each of these just they're just not necessarily

[00:17:59] reasons I'm proud of um for for all the way through but so the movies just so you know I can click on

[00:18:05] one of the movies and it is now going into my server and pulling that movie up as you can see

[00:18:11] I can scan through do what needs to happen we able to watch that show and then the nice part is

[00:18:18] it also has the ability of keeping track of where was I in that movie that I was just watching so

[00:18:24] I can pick it up later TV shows all of that right TV shows that I have downloaded um music which I

[00:18:31] don't use home movies which I do which we have some home movies that we're keeping so that's all

[00:18:36] great right these are good options for if you already have content then you can watch where I wanted

[00:18:42] to expand this and where I had not done that until probably in the last two weeks is live TV so

[00:18:48] I'm going to click on the live TV tab and right now with live TV I have you can see the guide is

[00:18:55] well just now downloaded there we go yeah um you can see that there are TV channels and these

[00:19:02] currently are TV channels that I'm getting from an antenna that is pulling the over the air

[00:19:09] live TV channels the the old bunny ears right this is bunny ear TV which is still available if

[00:19:15] you didn't know it's it's out there it's actually continued to advance there are 4k options that

[00:19:21] you can pull from over the air HD has been around for a while it's actually one of the best signals

[00:19:26] you can have if they're pushing out you know the HD or the 4k um but what's nice about it is

[00:19:35] that if you are in a place or in a location in which you can reach some of these channels

[00:19:40] you can now have that antenna pump into a tuner that would then pump into your internet

[00:19:49] so that you now have access to what's going through that tuner so what's going over the air is

[00:19:54] now being pumped into my internet system in my house and I can then pull it from my Apple TV

[00:20:02] you can pull it from as you see here on the web so if I just wanted to watch let's say this

[00:20:07] first channel is ABC yeah and you'll notice that it takes just a second here to you know kind of

[00:20:13] connect but once it does right it's going to little pause there it always does that when it connects

[00:20:19] but uh once it's kind of pipes in then it's gonna roll there we go so now this is the news

[00:20:26] just pumping through and you'll see it's a pretty good picture yeah that's coming through this

[00:20:32] is something I could do full full screen on the Apple TV on whatever screen that I'm working on

[00:20:41] yeah so remind me again you said the components so far that you've got this antenna

[00:20:47] yep i'll go through those specifically but yeah antenna antenna antenna is going into a

[00:20:54] tuner tuner okay tuner separate piece a separate component that has to

[00:20:59] basically the way to convert the signal into a digital thing digital yep yep then the tuner

[00:21:07] is feeding into your home network yeah so right now and you could do this without any other

[00:21:14] component other than plug it into let's say your Wi-Fi router and it would know okay there's a signal

[00:21:21] coming in and through this tuner that is then going into the Wi-Fi router and your Plex you know which

[00:21:28] could be located in a couple different places but it is then tapping and saying oh that's

[00:21:33] that's a source that I want to pull from now i also have that other component which is our home

[00:21:38] server that's where i put my backups that's where i put my movies i have that going into so Plex

[00:21:44] as an app is looking at that server it's also looking at the tuner and saying cool those are two

[00:21:50] places i can get information it's also looking at the internet and saying there's another place

[00:21:55] i can get information so it's taking those three bits of info and basically combining them for

[00:22:00] ways in which it can deliver content to me okay yeah so if you notice here this is stuff that I

[00:22:10] just paused this I just paused live TV and I just restarted it and the reason that I was able to do

[00:22:16] that is that I am also this is this is the first service i'm paying per month right now

[00:22:22] for the DVR capability which is okay that live TV can be paused can be recorded

[00:22:30] just like it would be on a cable box just like it would be on youtube tv okay um

[00:22:37] now that right now is i think four dollars a month four dollars and ninety nine cents a month

[00:22:41] okay so my test here is I can do this without the DVR i could say no i'm gonna i'm not gonna pay

[00:22:48] a thing per month and i would still be able to pull up live TV but we just be pulling that live TV

[00:22:54] up i couldn't record i could stop joining as it's going on yeah no rewinding no pausing right so the

[00:23:03] question is is it worth you know the five dollars a month to have this live TV now i'm gonna go back

[00:23:09] here i'm gonna stop this and go back to the channel you'll notice right now i'm i'm i'm pulling

[00:23:14] in the favorites which either these are the channels that i kind of designated as most interesting to

[00:23:19] me everybody knows if you've seen over the air tv there's lots of channels that you're not interested

[00:23:24] in so if i click on this bolt the jackson which is everything that's pumping into my system right now

[00:23:32] you'll see there are tons tons of stations that i'm getting over the air

[00:23:38] these are all over the air stations these are all over the air stations yep these are all over

[00:23:42] the air it's just that these are not there's not a lot that is great content oh come on now

[00:23:48] comment comment tv's awesome okay there's true tight krew krew crime tv there is uh oh what else

[00:23:58] we have laugh tv hs in tv in telemundo right you've got several of these things that are coming

[00:24:08] through that are really good you see i mainly wanted to pull the locals right abc cbs nbc fox

[00:24:15] and if i can pull those plus i think i have on there um the cw right which started caring acc

[00:24:21] sports recently um then that's you know those are helpful so so i've got all of this that i

[00:24:27] can search and i can go through now you'll feel notice how when i roll over here you can see the

[00:24:32] channels right these are the channels that you need to recognize 2.1 2.2 2.3 those are the things

[00:24:39] that that when the ogre air digital comes in there's multiple like twos right twos as abc but they're

[00:24:46] also kind of tapped into other uh channels within that same kind of antenna or that same uh tower i

[00:24:52] think but so you know they've got some plex channels this is also kind of nice so this is where

[00:25:00] this is where live tv becomes the internet so as i said before i've got my antenna which that's

[00:25:07] these channels these are all coming from over the air antenna the plex channels are all

[00:25:13] streaming channels so these are free streaming channels that are out there so as you see let's say

[00:25:17] hallmark right if i click on hallmark is that right there it's doing the same thing right it's going to

[00:25:25] go but now it's actually going through the internet and pulling some sort of online channel that

[00:25:32] happens to be free so the beauty is now i have all of these channels now again none of them are really

[00:25:37] good these are channels like the game show channel the uh well bbc earth channels that are actually

[00:25:45] designated tour specific uh shows there is a bay watch channel so i will be recording bay watch

[00:25:51] channels um obviously put that as a hard price is right channel like all prices right channel

[00:25:57] to the price is right wow and and as a and family few down so as an elderly person um is there

[00:26:05] a real fortune channel is there a real fortune i got to watch this prize i would not be

[00:26:09] i gotta watch my real fun there's an alph channel can you believe there's enough episode of alph

[00:26:15] to actually have a channel right just plays it over and over and over portlandia channel which i do

[00:26:20] enjoy so yeah you can just sit and have but so these are all things it basically is uh coming through

[00:26:27] the internet as streaming channels um so the beauty is now i have at least for me is all about this

[00:26:36] if i had the ability now to say okay you know what the um super bowl is coming on a certain channel

[00:26:43] nbc i'm going to record it or uh the cial c hooks are playing on fox on you say i'm gonna record it

[00:26:50] and you see it's pulling in over the internet what the guide is i could go out and tell it

[00:26:55] i want to record something that's in the future go ahead and click i you know if i wanted to

[00:27:01] record let's see family feud it's gonna say do you want to record this episode or you want to

[00:27:06] call it all episodes so it does allow you to kind of say i want to record everything from here on

[00:27:10] and where do i want to record it within my library now the recording i'm pretty sure Alan i just

[00:27:15] set this up i'm pretty sure it's pointing to my server i think i need to confirm that with the

[00:27:22] DVR system i just signed up for that well let's just um um yeah which is kind of level set for everybody

[00:27:28] make sure we're on the same page here so what you've been showing us so far other than the um

[00:27:36] the upgrade that you are paying five dollars a month forward right to allow you to have

[00:27:41] recording and paul's and recording capabilities outside of that the for the live tv service

[00:27:48] that you're picking up is all free yep uh plex can be a free service i mean there are options that

[00:27:56] it is add on to plex to make it where it has a pay option and for certain features but what you're

[00:28:02] showing here what you're doing can be done with plex free yep i can do it i do it up until today

[00:28:08] actually i was doing it for free okay and i was watching live tv and i was watching my own home

[00:28:13] movies and streaming them to my devices yep but the two things that are needed to make this happen

[00:28:22] one is the antenna one is the antenna one is the tuner

[00:28:27] those are two one time purchases they're not ongoing correct involve with that that is a one time

[00:28:31] purchase to get those two items and then obviously you need to have somewhere where your plex

[00:28:38] can run and store right yeah right yeah so plex itself does need a home and that's where

[00:28:46] it's you know it could run on a computer if you've got a computer in your house that's a desktop

[00:28:50] computer and you want to run kind of this and let that be your server and but what it really

[00:28:55] needs to do is it needs to have a place to run the application so that it's kind of gathering

[00:29:01] the information and it does need a little bit of storage space to be able to do that i chose to

[00:29:06] put it on my my nas my my uh sonology home server because that's where my my storage goes but then

[00:29:16] also it's always running it's always there and it's always running so i know it's kind of push it

[00:29:21] out right that's the problem if somebody said well i've got an extra computer laying around or

[00:29:26] i could use it yeah you could and it would it'll serve as a really good plex server just for plex

[00:29:31] to work the way you want it to which is means you can access this media from any device in your household

[00:29:37] at any time this needs to be a computer that's running all the time all the time never shuts down

[00:29:46] if you've got a computer that can do that and maybe stash it in the corner somewhere that's great

[00:29:49] because it can be your plex server but if you try to run it on your own laptop or your own computer

[00:29:54] that's like you're if i ran it on my laptop that take between home and work every time i leave my home

[00:30:00] with my laptop the plex server is going with it so that means there's no more plex inside my house

[00:30:07] right that's why you need to have that permanent 24 7 ideally uh source for where you can have plex

[00:30:14] running the nass the network attached storage from sonology that brine and i both have is a great

[00:30:20] option for it because it is always running and you'll let you install plex on it mix it pretty easy

[00:30:26] and it's self-running and it's always there so and it does and it does other things too i mean i

[00:30:32] think you and i both bought it for the storage for i'm going to store my photos there i'm going to

[00:30:37] store my movies there it's my way of keeping a backup of things but it also has a processor which

[00:30:43] means well okay if it's backing things up it's storing things and it's able to run and it has a

[00:30:49] processor now i can tap into that but you know we we talked about it before you could do a raspberry

[00:30:54] pie right you could get a small raspberry pie configure it so that it had you know enough kind of

[00:31:00] capability to be able to at least run as long as you had other things pumping in so for me

[00:31:05] i started looking at i much prefer i think you and i talked at this a long time ago i'm not a fan

[00:31:10] of subscriptions because i get nervous and think at what point i'm ever going to stop this or am i

[00:31:17] kind of sucked in forever right so i'm trying to get to the point where i have these one-time

[00:31:22] purchases and those purchases make sense to where they're gonna pay off eventually and that they're

[00:31:30] useful enough for me to be able to to have warned them so so what i chose to do i have an antenna

[00:31:35] already i had an antenna from back where i cut the cable back in 2000 whatever six

[00:31:41] i realized it was in my garage it was up in a storage so i said you know let me pull that down again

[00:31:46] let me see if um see if that would still work we now live closer to Portland than we used to so

[00:31:52] i figured well if it worked when i was further away from these stations it should work better now

[00:31:59] and it does then i needed the uh uh i needed uh the way in which to to tune to have the tuner that

[00:32:07] would decode this now realize if you wanted to do just over the air viewing channels

[00:32:15] and you didn't want it to have happened through an apple tv or anything else if you have a newer tv

[00:32:21] most of your newer tv is gonna have a tuner built into them so you could just run

[00:32:26] an antenna right to the back of your tv and through the coax cable and then run your tv and say

[00:32:33] search for tv channels and it'll go through and say oh i can pick up all of these because it has a

[00:32:38] tuner it has probably most likely if it's in the last 10 years it probably has some form a tuner built

[00:32:44] into it um so that therefore you wouldn't need another uh another device the problem is

[00:32:52] that antenna is running to one tv so that one tv is gonna pick it up and less you have like i did at

[00:32:58] my old house i used the cable that was throughout the the house cable used to come into the outside

[00:33:05] the house split to all my tv jacks we got rid of cable and i just hooked the antenna to the

[00:33:11] outside of the house and let that signal be split already so i already had a place i just

[00:33:16] plug the antenna on the outside of the house and every tv outlet could then be plugged to a tv

[00:33:22] and they could independently pull from that antenna that's a really slick cool way to do it like if you

[00:33:28] have cable already running through your house go get an antenna and you don't want to do cable anymore

[00:33:33] go to the outside of your house and see where cable normally came into your house and was split

[00:33:38] unplug it plug the antenna into it even as it's just bunny ears on the outside of your house and

[00:33:43] then go and plug into one of your cable jacks and see whether or not you can pick up channels because

[00:33:50] if so you could actually use multiple uh multiple tv jacks you could have multiple tv's doing

[00:33:56] different stations you know they don't have to pull on the same thing so that's a that's a nice

[00:34:01] piece what i wanted obviously was to get this all in one i've gotten used to the idea of an

[00:34:05] application going through kind of a streaming Apple TV box and being able to kind of click through

[00:34:12] so that's where Plex comes in it becomes your all-in-one way of delivering your

[00:34:20] your content from things you own to things that are on the internet to things that are over the air

[00:34:25] and so far i'm digging it uh Alan let me walk you through really quick as to people do know

[00:34:32] generally um how much some of this might cost if you wanted to do it like i've done

[00:34:39] um so first of all we'll show this one this is what you and i both have right this is the

[00:34:46] synology um yeah the synology NAS this is a two bay which means there are two hard drives in it

[00:34:54] and that's purposeful it either means you get double the space or it means one can back up for

[00:34:58] the other which means they're constantly uh securing each other um it's you know a little pricey

[00:35:06] right 250 bucks to have something but that's 250 bucks without the disc by the way yeah you've got

[00:35:12] it you've got to go find the hard drives to go in it now i bought used hard drives from somebody

[00:35:16] that uh we're not that expensive through them and they luckily they work but um you might be looking

[00:35:22] at another i don't know a hundred dollars a drive maybe to get really good ones yeah it's pretty

[00:35:28] safe as assumptions yeah so if you want this this is network home server right that's kind of a

[00:35:32] bigger deal then you know maybe you're talking 450 bucks to get something that um can probably

[00:35:39] handle your photos handle your videos handle your movies handle even recordings as we're talking about

[00:35:45] here right not a necessity for this process right but you do have to have some sort of

[00:35:52] complete well and what this the reason this is called network attached storage is it connects

[00:35:58] to your network it does not connect to one computer one pc it goes connected with an ethernet

[00:36:04] to your network so that means anybody on your network could conceivably have access to this if

[00:36:11] you wanted them to that's why it's so great for having plex on it because you could have you know

[00:36:17] an ipad in one room a tv in another room a phone in another room all pulling stuff from that server

[00:36:24] and because this nas is on the network anybody on the home network has access to it yeah unlike a cable

[00:36:30] that's plugged into a computer meaning only that computer has access to it this is truly a network

[00:36:37] environment for this yeah yeah they're great and i've been so happy with that you basically turn it

[00:36:42] on once you set up the first time it's it's kind of foolproof it just sits and i can hear running all

[00:36:48] the time but that's what it's doing it's constantly backing things up and pulling things anytime my

[00:36:53] phone connects to the wifi it's trying to back it up as well so it's kind of helping me to to save

[00:36:59] things but the beauty of it is it has a process run it and given that has a process where it's

[00:37:03] has its own computer built in that you could then also run we talked we talked about running

[00:37:10] what is that Alan the home bridge home bridge right which is allows it converts

[00:37:16] things that are non home kit into home kit signals it also can obviously run as a

[00:37:22] flex server as we're showing here so so that's one piece that i already had right i already had

[00:37:28] that in place so therefore you know it wasn't just a brand new purchase for this but since I had

[00:37:35] that one thing i did need and this is where i found this in my in my garage this is what my antenna

[00:37:44] looks like it's a little bulky right it so that's probably i don't know 18 inches tall maybe from

[00:37:52] some top to bottom um this one is supposedly it's supposed to reach about 60 miles so that would be

[00:38:01] if it's out on your roof or out on the side of your house and it's directly pointed it should be

[00:38:06] able to pull from stations that are about 60 miles away now where i live now it's about three or four

[00:38:14] miles so the fact that i'm that close and had this an antenna those well over what i need right i don't

[00:38:20] need this antenna anymore but what it did allow me to do Alan is my antenna now is sitting in my

[00:38:27] closet mounted to the wall inside the center of my house so i know we're close to an outside wall it

[00:38:34] is actually probably 20 feet from an outside wall it's in a closet in my office wow which happens

[00:38:41] to be where my internet boxes are so i know i can just plug it straight in there and turns out i'm

[00:38:47] getting you know i'm getting a great signal because again it's supposed to be 60 60 miles and

[00:38:53] it only has to get three so so that work in my last house i was 20 miles away and i had this

[00:38:59] mounted in my attic on a support beam in the center of my attic i mounted it right there which means

[00:39:07] that it would not move around a lot um no wind was affecting it but it just had to get through the

[00:39:13] roof and it was able to do that given it had enough power so this is not powered this is simply

[00:39:18] just coaxing coax out um so i would i would say this is this one's been pretty good there are

[00:39:26] powered ones where if you are a little further away you can add power to it and then it

[00:39:30] could amplify your signal and all that but uh if you're someone let's say Alan from your area

[00:39:35] if if you're someone that lives 10 miles away from Charlotte and you're really close to some signals

[00:39:41] you really only need bunny ears you don't even need you don't need something like this you

[00:39:46] probably just need you know they make some that are thin that can just slide on a wall they make

[00:39:52] some that fit on the back of your TV um you can just go ahead and get bunny ears to be able to do that

[00:39:58] but i wanted to over engineer a little bit so that i didn't have to put on the outside of my house

[00:40:02] i didn't have to put it in a window i didn't have to see it so that's great

[00:40:06] all right so the antenna so you have to have an antenna

[00:40:10] that's a key yeah place for that antenna to go

[00:40:15] and then the last piece of the puzzle which is the one i just to god okay what i'm gonna find out

[00:40:20] what window that is sorry um here we go

[00:40:27] i ended up going with a what's called a hd home run

[00:40:32] and i i overpurchased on this one as well and probably did not need the $200 version

[00:40:39] there so maybe i think about a $100 or $80 version that would have been just fine

[00:40:43] the difference is that this one has the ability to if you alan you see that there it's the 4K

[00:40:50] ATSC 3.0 which means it's able to also pick up a signal if someone puts out the 4K signal

[00:40:58] so i kind of wanted a future proof it a little bit um so in case there's a better signal

[00:41:02] the 3.0 portland does you have some of the 3.0 signals but if you just want the over the rhd ones

[00:41:08] i could have i've got a gun in the exact same channels with the $99 one um it's just it wouldn't

[00:41:14] it wouldn't have been as a future proof so so anyway what this does is the antenna plugs into this

[00:41:20] so it's just a co-ex cable going from my antenna to this box this box has power and this box has an

[00:41:26] ethernet cable that goes into my network system somewhere yeah it go into my router it could go into

[00:41:34] my nas it just needs to pump in somehow so that my plex can go oh whoa i'm noticing i'm noticing a

[00:41:41] cool signal coming in i'm going to see if i can use it and sure enough it sets it up pretty easily

[00:41:45] so so now that's antenna tuner and the nas for me is what i have money in right i have those

[00:41:55] three things that have been purchased there's no recurring fees with any of them and with that i can

[00:42:01] get live tv local tv uh all throughout my house because i already have apple tvs being able to access

[00:42:11] apps that are going to access that plex already all right so just kind of right so we got those

[00:42:18] pieces now how do they how do they work together like how i understand the antenna going into the

[00:42:25] home run the tuner that that makes sense but then for the tuner the home run

[00:42:30] to communicate it plugs into your network how does it link up with plex is that somewhere where you

[00:42:36] kind of it was actually pretty as amazed with how seamless it was what i did is i plugged it in

[00:42:42] to the network i went to the plex and i said live tv and it said ding ding ding i noticed you have

[00:42:49] a hd home run well literally literally it recognized on the network hey there's one of these is this

[00:42:54] yours and then i said let's set it up and use that for live tv and then of course it's already

[00:43:00] connected to the internet plex is so it's pulling channel channel guides and all of that information

[00:43:07] across the the the internet but the home run the tuner there's not anything you have to do any kind

[00:43:13] of direct administrative stuff or go into it you really just plug it up and that's it yep yep

[00:43:21] you can almost think of like a like a booster or something right it basically is taking a signal

[00:43:25] converting it and saying here we go i'm just pushing this signal out to your internet or to your

[00:43:30] network and it happens to be that plex is smart enough to see that kind of signal coming into the

[00:43:36] to the network um that's pretty easy then it's very slick yeah very slick so that right there

[00:43:43] is what i have going now so what i'm realizing this allows me to do i still have youtube tv i haven't

[00:43:48] cut the cord yet but this would allow me to at any of my tv's be able to open up my plex app which by

[00:43:55] the way is an app that could be on your rocou or on your apple tv when i open that up i can now see

[00:44:02] all these tabs that i just showed you a minute ago i've got movies i could pull down a movie from

[00:44:07] your plex from my plex from you know from the free over the uh over the internet stuff i could go

[00:44:14] to live tv and watch the local news or the local the game that's on um i am thinking about potentially

[00:44:21] doing the 499 or what's another part makes me feel good about plex plex has this you know where

[00:44:27] 499 allows you the recording you also can do a lifetime payment one time payment i think it's

[00:44:33] $115 and then you get it for life so if this is something that i think all right you know i don't

[00:44:40] want to see money going out per month and it's worth me having a one time payment to know that

[00:44:45] i could always record to my own server by the way so that's why they can do it it's really a service

[00:44:51] that allows you to pump to your own server which you have so they're not having to you know

[00:44:57] have their space kind of taken up so you know my hope is that even even at the worst case

[00:45:03] out and i had let's say $400 and $400 into a nav server which was already there by the way i

[00:45:10] wasn't i wasn't buying it for this case yeah i was gonna say let's let's clarify on that because

[00:45:14] the actual purchase is you had to make to make this thing work where the tuner and the antenna

[00:45:20] yep what $200 $200 to $300 so it was $300 for me but i say if i wanted to do it on the minimum

[00:45:28] what i needed i could have gone with say a uh $60 tuner and a probably a $20 antenna and still do it

[00:45:38] from my location okay from your and it will vary by people's locations yes i know mine that would

[00:45:44] need a much much more powerful antenna because i do not i'm not anything where it's close to some of

[00:45:49] six more and i have a lot of trees all over me so i've got to figure out how to do that but let's say

[00:45:55] put a hundred bucks maybe 150 bucks into the hardware you're right you already had the NAS and the

[00:46:01] NAS is being used for other purposes so it's not like it's a only forplex or only for live tv thing

[00:46:07] but that is something to keep in mind for anybody wants to do this is that you do stuff to have

[00:46:12] somewhere to run theplex server and store all the things you're gonna record

[00:46:19] it's a storage and it's a processor or a computer to run theplex server

[00:46:24] yep the NAS is a great solution for that because it does both gives you the storage and it runs

[00:46:28] the application theplex but it's pricey so yep yep so Ellen i just pulled up this i've

[00:46:37] become kind of in love with this uh particular webtooth there's several of these out there where

[00:46:42] you can find how close you are to antennas or two i'm sorry not antennas but towers to be able to

[00:46:48] get it channels and so i put up this is correct for you right dad Newton and of course that

[00:46:56] about right or hickory you uh can you do it my zip do two eight six oh one two okay two eight six oh one

[00:47:03] yeah there you go okay yep so um with this allows you to do as you can tell it okay i'm looking

[00:47:11] within a hundred miles i'm looking within 60 miles i'm looking with 45 miles as to what's there

[00:47:17] and then also on the right up here you can see the strength of your signal supposedly from where you are

[00:47:23] and which of those signals would be kind of within within range uh for you and it'll also help you

[00:47:30] kind of recognize what kind of equipment do i need so at the bottom here you could press the button

[00:47:35] of get an antenna recommendation for my area right to be able to pull and so for you you know you can

[00:47:41] see there's there's one here what is that is that gotta is it gonna tell me which one it is let's see

[00:47:51] oh i could go and pick you know where these where are these particular antennas so for you Alan

[00:47:57] it says if within 45 miles you should be able to get CBS but that's also kind of within

[00:48:04] that 40 mile range maybe so tree coverage um you know not direct light direct sight but

[00:48:11] you know the trees around you are gonna make a difference like CBS CBS is really close to you

[00:48:18] it actually looks like it's real close um looks like CBS is running there between you and

[00:48:25] morganton the CBS channel ABC uh looks like that's back in oh same place right it's coming from

[00:48:35] the same one so you know you can look and see like where am i gonna NBC is a little further away but

[00:48:40] it's still within that 45 miles so if you have the same thing i did which is supposedly for 60

[00:48:45] miles on your case you probably want it maybe on the outside of your house or back under a way that

[00:48:51] it's not inhibited by a wall but it doesn't necessarily need to be on your roof like they used to be

[00:48:57] i don't think that's the case i've never had one on my roof i've had this particular one on the side

[00:49:01] of the house and kind of hidden under uh you know overhang so that it wasn't visible but i think

[00:49:09] there are ways to the ways to look into it to see like i would always overplan for the antenna

[00:49:16] if it says your 45 miles away i'd get something that's elite 60 uh if you says you're you know

[00:49:21] 30 miles away go ahead and get at least a 50 because i i don't trust it's i think those are saying

[00:49:26] that's where you can reach it but you also need to be in a really good uh clear line of sight and

[00:49:32] there are certain times of the day that it might be cloudy that it's gonna cut down on some of your

[00:49:37] reception um yeah but you know there's there are ways of doing it and uh and given that it's of such

[00:49:44] a cheap output is one time you get a cheap tuner you already have alnyore have the nas you already have

[00:49:51] flex you could find a way to kind of throw one antenna up and throw it out back and pump it into

[00:49:57] your system and just see what you can pick up in worst case you could get some local stuff on a time

[00:50:04] where you get really frustrated with youtube tv and decided just to yank it for a few months i

[00:50:08] have decided i have a thought about that too is like you know let me just cancel for a few months

[00:50:12] see if i can get by you know yes i can still try some other things maybe i can go and get a

[00:50:18] a short term cheaper access if i need to see a sport or um you know just find a show that i get

[00:50:27] super sucked into and all i need to do is watch that uh show and nothing else here's a

[00:50:33] way to save me a little money well and here's another option to keep in mind i mean yes we're

[00:50:39] you're talking about it the the local channels this is a great way to consider getting those

[00:50:43] local channels obviously in your area the list of channels you said that you were available over

[00:50:48] the antenna there's a much longer list sure i've got here in my area but here's another option to

[00:50:55] keep in mind is that yes you're getting all this for basically free except for the one to those two

[00:51:01] upfront purchases you're having to make right there are some streaming live tv services that are

[00:51:08] much less expensive than youtube tv that do not have live channels that's why they're able to be a

[00:51:15] lot cheaper if they don't have i'm sorry local channels they're not local locals uh philo is an

[00:51:21] example of one philo uh that's phil.io.com is 25 dollars a month and you get 70 channels

[00:51:33] of live tv the thing is they don't do local channels so that's one reason they're a little cheap

[00:51:39] and there are some channels that aren't on there that might not be some of the the typical ones you

[00:51:44] see out to mother services but they have a lot of channels uh a.m.e. AMC comedy central discovery

[00:51:51] food network hd tv history channel someone is so forth so there's a lot of them there's a lot of

[00:51:57] good channels so you've got to think if you're somebody that likes having all of those as live channels

[00:52:02] that you do like having all that flexibility but you don't want to be paying 75 dollars a month

[00:52:07] for youtube tv and you're willing to go out and do the antenna and piping that in using that tuner

[00:52:13] then all of a sudden you know you could it could have it down to two two services all right

[00:52:19] plex tv i go over to my from a local channels in my movie collection but then i can also flip

[00:52:24] over to philo.com and that just be for these other 70 live channels that i'd do like to watch

[00:52:32] so anyway it's not a perfect solution because you're having different places but if you really want

[00:52:38] that variety of channels and you don't want to spend as much money as you are now or you don't want

[00:52:43] to get into the 75 dollar a month plan with youtube tv this is possibly a way to to get around that

[00:52:49] so i don't know yep yep no i think i mean for me i'm trying to you know i'm trying to balance it and say

[00:52:57] well listen if i have if i have some content that's not live tv how much do i really need or want live

[00:53:04] tv these days and of course for me it's you know i do like to have local news every once in a

[00:53:09] while to be able to see if something's going on i'd like to have potentially you know a local

[00:53:14] local channel for events you know live events that happen usually on the regular networks

[00:53:22] and this to me is like a couple of simple one time purchases that will allow me access to those

[00:53:29] things on the times where i feel like i need them and then everything else can be content right

[00:53:35] i mean there can be if i have if i have amazon prime because i'm not going to be getting rid of my

[00:53:40] amazon delivery anytime soon i have things to watch there are always things to watch if i want to

[00:53:46] spend time watching something is it the best and greatest and do i need to have each brand new service

[00:53:53] well maybe i rotate you know i'm trying to get a system of maybe there's one service that i use for

[00:54:00] newer content maybe i do three months of HBO and then i stop it and do three months of

[00:54:06] Netflix and do whatever they have new and then i stop it and do three months of hulu and do what

[00:54:10] they have new because if i can if i can focus on you know 20 dollars or less on a rotating month

[00:54:17] and then i know i've got prime which is going to be always always there and i've got live tv for at

[00:54:23] least my local network channels it shouldn't be an issue of not having enough to watch

[00:54:31] it's just an issue of do you want the convenience of everything to watch and that's kind of where we've

[00:54:37] gotten to right is that so can be needed to have everything your fingertips we i've become quite the

[00:54:42] master in starting either free trials of channels and knowing setting myself reminders to switch it

[00:54:49] off once we're done watching what we're going to watch or if it's something that doesn't offer a

[00:54:53] free trial or we've already used up our free trial getting one month of a service and knowing

[00:54:59] what all we're going to watch in that month to make use of it and canceling it after one month

[00:55:03] yeah yeah i'm definitely i've got little reminders put in my reminders after remind me time

[00:55:08] I sign up for service hey 25 days later go ahead and cancel this out and make sure you get that one

[00:55:14] month in just because we feel like you know i mean perfect example uh you know Halloween night

[00:55:21] we wanted to watch a particular horror movie did our searching couldn't find it on any street

[00:55:27] any service we already had couldn't find anywhere easy and free so we said okay well

[00:55:32] we can get it on AMC plus but we have to sign up for seven day free trial so we did

[00:55:37] and then five days later canceled it and done so being a little diligent with it and being

[00:55:44] managing you can you can kind of make the best of it what you need

[00:55:48] the thing you got to watch out for is don't sign up for hbo or max or whatever it's called which is

[00:55:53] you know the most expensive standalone service right now uh don't sign up for it and then

[00:56:00] only have one piece of content you're gonna watch one show for a couple weeks and then you still

[00:56:05] keep it for months on end you're not really using it or you feel obligated to have to use it just

[00:56:10] to go check and see if there's something you can find a watch just turn it off turn off the subscription

[00:56:15] and then just when a day comes up that there is a certain show or movie that you really want to see

[00:56:21] and it's only on that that max service sign up for a month watch it yeah and then cut it off it's

[00:56:27] it just takes time it takes time and reminders and it's time and reminders that the streaming channels

[00:56:32] are hoping we don't choose to invest into managing it so uh they're hoping for easy to see they're

[00:56:39] hoping for the fact that you forget um yeah yeah and just keep it keep it in place and they're pacing

[00:56:44] themselves they don't want to give you all the content at once because they want you to think whether

[00:56:48] something else coming i'll just hang on a little longer we like say we cut we cut netflix uh probably

[00:56:54] about two months ago okay haven't missed it a bit because again i had something else that i was

[00:57:00] watching that was totally enveloping and i personally i'm thinking now i want to go and find

[00:57:04] another show that had many many many seasons maybe sopranos or something like that so that don't

[00:57:09] have to make any decisions like you know we'll just go ahead and that gives us a few months of

[00:57:13] content watching which is great will afford to have been running for about uh well you know what i

[00:57:19] found there's a i mean i've got will a fortune channel here so i can just watch it the whole

[00:57:25] the whole will will a fortune anthology just watch all 40 plus seasons of it and just man that'll set

[00:57:33] you up for a good while so alan on that note though you mentioned about kind of getting rid of

[00:57:38] channel or services adding them back again they haven't gotten to the point where

[00:57:45] they're really hitting you to join back again right you know i knew when we first started youtube

[00:57:50] tv they actually had this thing it was like hey if you leave by the way it's going to be more expensive

[00:57:54] when you start back right or you're gonna have to pay a re up fee they don't know i don't know

[00:58:00] about youtube tv yeah i don't know if they do or not the other streaming services by that i mean

[00:58:06] they're not max uh hulu um paramount plus all those no there's no if you cancel and then decide to

[00:58:15] come back a couple months later they don't jack the fees up on you or whatever the difference is

[00:58:20] that some of them do give a free trial and say hey get AMC plus for you know 30 days for free

[00:58:27] right now of course if you know you cancel within the 30 days you don't pay anything if you do come

[00:58:34] you are going to be paying full price on the subscription um but no i haven't seen anybody

[00:58:39] jacking up fees for people who are with them for a while and then come back so really the only

[00:58:45] downside for the canceling well two downsides for canceling and re subscribing one is you have

[00:58:51] to remember to do it and you have to be diligent the other is most likely if you cancel

[00:58:58] you come back they're probably gonna say sorry we don't have your watch list anymore or something

[00:59:04] that i affect yes not a big deal right if you get used to it then you don't worry about like oh

[00:59:08] of course i remember i've seen that or then you're probably not going to want to pick up where

[00:59:13] you left off because you wouldn't have stopped right if you were in the middle of something so yeah

[00:59:17] now that that's not a that's not an issue really the only issue is just convenience of reminding

[00:59:21] yourself to cancel it yep and you know yes that one time when after you've canceled it and you realize

[00:59:26] oh man there was something else i really wanted to see on that you are going to have to sign back up

[00:59:30] and get another account or get another subscription started that's the only drawback but i mean look

[00:59:35] it's a lot better than spending money on a monthly basis for services you don't really need

[00:59:41] in can easily do without right um yeah just takes a little process set yourself a reminder every month

[00:59:47] hey go and review all my subscriptions i do all of my tv subscriptions through the apple tv

[00:59:54] platform super easy so that way i can go in and actually see all my subscriptions in one place

[00:59:58] and be like oh wow i didn't realize i still had that let me go and cancel that one at the end of

[01:00:03] the month so mix it easy all right well cool brine i think this is uh this is good i mean this is

[01:00:10] i mean look you've got a lot of live channels out in your area that you're covering

[01:00:14] and you definitely get all your local stuff which is good right right so that's great

[01:00:20] and that's really one of the competitive advantages of youtube tv is that they're giving you

[01:00:25] not only live cable channels but also your live local channels that's what really jacks up the price

[01:00:30] i'm a lot of those packages so you're saving a lot of money there for that yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm

[01:00:36] like i said i'm we're two a point where we're probably in another month or so we'll say all right

[01:00:41] we've used this live enough and if it's if it looks like it's convenient and we can get around we'll

[01:00:47] cut the youtube tv and say let's just let's see it's not as convenient it is not as clean it's not as

[01:00:56] as super you know usable uh as uh as youtube tv is because again that app is incredibly good

[01:01:04] but i would love it when i'm not paying that fee and uh you know that's going to be going keep

[01:01:09] going up too it's sure yep i can see it being a $90 service before too too long yep

[01:01:16] and they'll keep most of their users because again i think they've they've they've realized that

[01:01:22] they're actually created something that's better than cable right that they're giving a better product

[01:01:27] than cable was and that that took a while right for streaming to actually become a better product

[01:01:32] than cable was because cable was always on it was quick you could change the channel and you can get

[01:01:36] there quickly you can do that now with youtube tv and some others like that plus they've got these

[01:01:42] cool things of you can choose your four different sport channels and watch four different sports at once

[01:01:48] and that's all coming in and there's just a lot of things that they're doing that cable was not doing

[01:01:56] and of course they're they're going to keep toeing the line of getting you closer to where cable's

[01:02:01] price was because now they know they've outpaced what cable was giving you so uh

[01:02:06] right yep so anyway yeah i think this is i'm excited about this for a while i'm going to try now

[01:02:12] that i have the DVR function to record a few and see how that goes i did want to mention one thing

[01:02:17] now in the recording piece which again is if i if i like it i'll go with a one-time fee and just

[01:02:22] have it for life and just say i don't want to see a recurring fee but the one of the cool parts is

[01:02:28] you can actually set the DVR function forplex to detect the commercials so it way if you record a

[01:02:37] show it can detect the commercials and either let you skip them by clicking and saying hey

[01:02:42] i detected commercial because it gets forward or you can tell it to go ahead and delete them for

[01:02:47] you so with the live tv i don't know how it works i don't know how well it works but that's kind of

[01:02:53] nice right because that's one of the challenges with going live tv is that you're not able to

[01:02:58] scan as well as you would have liked and um you know maybe not the skip functions and all

[01:03:03] these sorts of things so anyway yeah yeah we'll see i'll keep you informed about how it's going

[01:03:08] and whether i'm confident making the the trim at some point but well Brian thanks for sharing all that

[01:03:16] i do have to go because i i being an elderly person i do go to bed now much earlier time

[01:03:22] might saw you yawning earlier and i know that was because my we are getting well past bedtime there

[01:03:28] so it's way past my bedtime i've uh yeah what other what other elderly things can i say i'm doing

[01:03:37] a bit later yeah yeah well just make sure just make sure you pee before you get a bed then it will

[01:03:42] be like three or four times in the night still gonna be up in the middle of night got here okay um

[01:03:47] yeah but this is great thank you Brian for kind of walking through this sounds like it's coming

[01:03:51] along pretty well i'm really impressed with just the integration that plex does with that too

[01:03:56] it automatically picks it up and runs with it so yeah really pretty cool plex is a great platform

[01:04:01] i'm a big fan and love what they're doing with it so yep yeah fun all right well that's a

[01:04:07] my man for you if you want to get rid of your live tv package that you're paying too much for through

[01:04:13] digital streaming this is an alternative way that i'm mostly free except for a couple up front one

[01:04:19] time purchases and thinking through how to make it work for your own personal situation but uh

[01:04:24] it is a good option and glad to know it exists so yeah yeah yeah that's cool all right Brian well if

[01:04:31] anybody has any questions thoughts feedback for us on anything with that uh yes send us an email

[01:04:36] to info at the mesh.tv i would love to hear if there's other options that you found maybe even

[01:04:43] cheaper options to kind of have a similar setup or if you've found even ways of getting around some

[01:04:50] of the the DVR services i mean we you know i put that out there as something that plex is going to

[01:04:55] charge me for but there are other services that you could do in house and set it up as a part of your

[01:05:04] part of your part of your tuner right to have it actually record to your tuner box and so

[01:05:10] i'd love to hear some other people that are doing this and pros and cons you can also go to the

[01:05:14] website at www.brothers-n-tech.com all right that'll do it for today so thanks everybody for uh

[01:05:24] spend some time with us and we'll be back in another week or so with some more technology

[01:05:30] talk and ideas and suggestions and all that jazz yeah yeah yeah all right you know my lawn

[01:05:38] and let's go to bed sorry can i grandpa see y'all bye

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